Talk:MDStyle Orientation Island - Revision history

Ganesha Xi at 18:05, 7 November 2007

2007-11-07T18:05:12Z

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	In general, I get the distinct impression that a lot more thought could have been put into the presentation and "selling" of Second Life and the amount and ease of educational material in the orientation island. I'm not feeling a unified graphic theme or themes across the whole MDStyle OI, and I think even those without a degree in design might feel similarly.		In general, I get the distinct impression that a lot more thought could have been put into the presentation and "selling" of Second Life and the amount and ease of educational material in the orientation island. I'm not feeling a unified graphic theme or themes across the whole MDStyle OI, and I think even those without a degree in design might feel similarly.
	I've been trying to find time to work on further documenting suggestions, as well as a space large enough to build some models in world, but it's been slow going in between two jobs while building my portfolio/job hunting. I'll try to post more as things get ironed out a bit.		I've been trying to find time to work on further documenting suggestions, as well as a space large enough to build some models in world, but it's been slow going in between two jobs while building my portfolio/job hunting. I'll try to post more as things get ironed out a bit.

			--[[User:Ganesha Xi\|Ganesha Xi]] The blue industrial carpet is a bit much... Perhaps something more neutral? Also, people tend to get claustrophobic inside. The freebies tower needs direction on how to use a teleporter, and also the walls need to not be phantom.. A newbie and I were laughing "OH NO! DON'T JUMP! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE!" Falling from 10 stories may be a bit disconcerting to those that do not understand they will not be damaged in a fall! Also yes, I am in high agreement, auto-return has GOT to be set, and if there is going to be a Sandbox, it needs to be useable. We'd had a fiasco where auto-return DID get set and half of the island disappeared... Hooray for rollbacks! The teleports have got to be moved.

Redbeard McCellan: /* Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle) */

2007-10-29T05:11:09Z

Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle)

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	*The Free Item tower, seems a bit complicated to use the TP menu for a newcomer.		*The Free Item tower, seems a bit complicated to use the TP menu for a newcomer.


			Redbeard McCellan: 2 comments
			* In the sandbox, you can not access the build tools via the right click context menu. This is really obvious when you create an object, but than can not right click it to select edit.
			* The signs explaining how to fly are a bit confusing. At first I thought it was an error and that it was telling you to hold the mouse button down while hitting PGUP, but eventually figured it out. Not sure of an easy fix to make it clearer though...

	== About translations again: Italian ==		== About translations again: Italian ==

Janie Matahari: /* Diary of Events */

2007-10-27T10:39:36Z

Diary of Events

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	--[[User:Kokoro Fasching\|Kokoro Fasching]] 07:28, 20 October 2007 (PDT) Auto Return needs to be set outside of the sandbox. The MD Islands are starting to get prim trash around the area.		--[[User:Kokoro Fasching\|Kokoro Fasching]] 07:28, 20 October 2007 (PDT) Auto Return needs to be set outside of the sandbox. The MD Islands are starting to get prim trash around the area.

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			--[[User:Janie Matahari\|Janie Matahari]] 4:28, 27 October 2007 (PDT)
			suggestions for the mdstyle islands
			1) remove the lighting coming out of the window. Prim lighting gets in the way of selecting stuff.
			2) when i was a newbie using my work laptop, (great ram great processor poor graphics card) i couldnt rez on signs, how do we know everyone can read these signs? HUDS also need to be rezzed.
			3) give MUCH better instruction and info on how seeding works. we got alot of info in the Q&A last night, but to ask us to help with this experiment without telling us what the experiment was or exactly what we should be doing made us all kind of try different things, probably causing variability in the experiment. Now i understand the experiment which is to test retainment of newbies, and to just replicate the japanese OI however, if volunteers are seeding it but dont know how they are seeding it, they are standing around talking and trying to help newbies (well we were), when we should be moving out immediately after seeding. but there werent clear instructions on these details. group notices are the best, dont rely that we will read wikis or mailing lists.
			4) i like the "walk only one way" tutorial but honestly we look like we are in an ugly airport. I love the original orientation island. when i was a newbie, i walked on some stepping stones down a path of a mountain, now THAT was cool.
			5) i STRONGLY recomment making the "fix your appearance" tutorial first (along with camera). I've seen at MDstyle that they immediatly go into appearance, clogging up the entrance.

	==Strategies==		==Strategies==

Zlad Voom: /* Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle) */

2007-10-27T09:10:20Z

Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle)

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	I did my best to pretend I was a new resident. First, I noticed the "Let's Move" sign. I don't recall having move controls enabled by default my first time in SL. Plus, the sign shows to [right-click]+[move controls]. I enabled my move controls and right-clicked all over, but I only got the pie menu if I clicked anywhere. At the bottom, it suggested to "click 'R' to run". I couldn't make that work either. Anyway, down the corridor to the alt-zoom camera sign. It showed [left mouse click] + [alt key] + [slide mouse]. Ok... I got a zoom cursor, but the camera didn't move. After some experimentation, I realized I have to hold [alt key] first, then click... doesn't work the other way around. -- DoteDote		I did my best to pretend I was a new resident. First, I noticed the "Let's Move" sign. I don't recall having move controls enabled by default my first time in SL. Plus, the sign shows to [right-click]+[move controls]. I enabled my move controls and right-clicked all over, but I only got the pie menu if I clicked anywhere. At the bottom, it suggested to "click 'R' to run". I couldn't make that work either. Anyway, down the corridor to the alt-zoom camera sign. It showed [left mouse click] + [alt key] + [slide mouse]. Ok... I got a zoom cursor, but the camera didn't move. After some experimentation, I realized I have to hold [alt key] first, then click... doesn't work the other way around. -- DoteDote


			Zlad Voom: Hi, here my feedback to the MDSStyle OI

			*The exit door is red, should be green. Red is a STOP color.

			*The new layout dont give them a chance come back to the central point and ask something when done with a section. Mentors cannot easy fly in to a section to povide support. There should be a way to fly in to any section (for example open roof like at the start)

			*The where to go now section after the red exit door, it is nice just may take them off OI before see the other places.

			*In the sandbox, I can build but not edit my previous build prims.

			*The Free Item tower, seems a bit complicated to use the TP menu for a newcomer.

	== About translations again: Italian ==		== About translations again: Italian ==

Kokoro Fasching: /* Diary of Events */

2007-10-20T14:28:30Z

Diary of Events

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	* --[[User:Nock Forager\|Nock Forager]] 17:51, 13 October 2007 (PDT) - Hi I'm still not a Mentor (on wainting list really), but I'm one of the original Meltingdots SIM's support staff. I recommend you to visit current "Meltingdots" SIM too. Some points you all mentioned are already reviced to new interface, so it would be helpfull for you to visit there and find current style. If you need some translation from Japanese language, IM me up.		* --[[User:Nock Forager\|Nock Forager]] 17:51, 13 October 2007 (PDT) - Hi I'm still not a Mentor (on wainting list really), but I'm one of the original Meltingdots SIM's support staff. I recommend you to visit current "Meltingdots" SIM too. Some points you all mentioned are already reviced to new interface, so it would be helpfull for you to visit there and find current style. If you need some translation from Japanese language, IM me up.

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			--[[User:Kokoro Fasching\|Kokoro Fasching]] 07:28, 20 October 2007 (PDT) Auto Return needs to be set outside of the sandbox. The MD Islands are starting to get prim trash around the area.

	==Strategies==		==Strategies==

William Niangao: /* Better Job on Content. poor job on design and appearance. */

2007-10-19T03:08:50Z

Better Job on Content. poor job on design and appearance.

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	"Esci e divertiti!" (Go out and have fun)		"Esci e divertiti!" (Go out and have fun)

	== Better Job on Content. ~~TERRIBLE~~ job on design and appearance. ==		== Better Job on Content. poor job on design and appearance. ==

	I've not yet had time to finish writing what is rapidly becoming a thesis/dissertation on suggestions for the new user experience (Only up to 5 pages so far on a rough outline that's incomplete), but I have found some of the issues I'd be writing about partially addressed in the newer orientation island, as well as the MDStyle island. I figured I might as well post a few since some folks got hot and bothered by my mentioning some of my concerns in world.		I've not yet had time to finish writing what is rapidly becoming a thesis/dissertation on suggestions for the new user experience (Only up to 5 pages so far on a rough outline that's incomplete), but I have found some of the issues I'd be writing about partially addressed in the newer orientation island, as well as the MDStyle island. I figured I might as well post a few since some folks got hot and bothered by my mentioning some of my concerns in world.
	To start, there are improvements in the content provided (both the linden and mdstyle OIs), but the MDstyle island is visually unappealing and doesn't visually demonstrate the concept of "Second Life".		To start, there are improvements in the content provided (both the linden and mdstyle OIs), but the MDstyle island is visually unappealing and doesn't visually demonstrate the concept of "Second Life".
	After getting out of the building section, it's very confusing to some residents. I do like that it is enclosed and essentially "forces" the new residents to learn the basics. As I believe it's been stated before, MDStyle needs more room for the editing appearance section. The signs with directions are a great idea, but are visually unappealing. The document I'm currently working on focuses more on a HUD/bot/interactive approach rather than signs as a means to better involve and explain things to the new user, as well as demonstrate the power of Second Life as a viable medium for a variety of tasks. Signs are, in my opinion, the "easy way" to get it done and far intuitive than an automated, well scripted HUD that could walk residents through a more thorough and elaborate tutorial.		After getting out of the building section, it's very confusing to some residents. I do like that it is enclosed and essentially "forces" the new residents to learn the basics. As I believe it's been stated before, MDStyle needs more room for the editing appearance section. The signs with directions are a great idea, but are visually unappealing. The document I'm currently working on focuses more on a HUD/bot/interactive approach rather than signs as a means to better involve and explain things to the new user, as well as demonstrate the power of Second Life as a viable medium for a variety of tasks. Signs are, in my opinion, the "easy way" to get it done and far less intuitive than an automated, well scripted HUD or bots that could walk residents through a more thorough and elaborate tutorial.
	In general, I get the distinct impression that a lot more thought could have been put into the presentation and "selling" of Second Life and the amount and ease of educational material in the orientation island. I'm not feeling a unified graphic theme or themes across the whole MDStyle OI, and I think even those without a degree in design might feel similarly.		In general, I get the distinct impression that a lot more thought could have been put into the presentation and "selling" of Second Life and the amount and ease of educational material in the orientation island. I'm not feeling a unified graphic theme or themes across the whole MDStyle OI, and I think even those without a degree in design might feel similarly.
	I've been trying to find time to work on further documenting suggestions, as well as a space large enough to build some models in world, but it's been slow going in between two jobs while building my portfolio/job hunting. I'll try to post more as things get ironed out a bit.		I've been trying to find time to work on further documenting suggestions, as well as a space large enough to build some models in world, but it's been slow going in between two jobs while building my portfolio/job hunting. I'll try to post more as things get ironed out a bit.

William Niangao: Better Job on Content. TERRIBLE job on design and appearance.

2007-10-19T03:05:54Z

Better Job on Content. TERRIBLE job on design and appearance.

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	"Esci e divertiti!" (Go out and have fun)		"Esci e divertiti!" (Go out and have fun)

	== Better Job on Content. ~~poor~~ job on design and appearance. ==		== Better Job on Content. TERRIBLE job on design and appearance. ==

	I've not yet had time to finish writing what is rapidly becoming a thesis/dissertation on suggestions for the new user experience (Only up to 5 pages so far on a rough outline that's incomplete), but I have found some of the issues I'd be writing about partially addressed in the newer orientation island, as well as the MDStyle island. I figured I might as well post a few since some folks got hot and bothered by my mentioning some of my concerns in world.		I've not yet had time to finish writing what is rapidly becoming a thesis/dissertation on suggestions for the new user experience (Only up to 5 pages so far on a rough outline that's incomplete), but I have found some of the issues I'd be writing about partially addressed in the newer orientation island, as well as the MDStyle island. I figured I might as well post a few since some folks got hot and bothered by my mentioning some of my concerns in world.

William Niangao: /* Better Job on Content. poor job on design and appearance. */

2007-10-19T03:04:51Z

Better Job on Content. poor job on design and appearance.

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	"Esci e divertiti!" (Go out and have fun)		"Esci e divertiti!" (Go out and have fun)

			== Better Job on Content. poor job on design and appearance. ==

			I've not yet had time to finish writing what is rapidly becoming a thesis/dissertation on suggestions for the new user experience (Only up to 5 pages so far on a rough outline that's incomplete), but I have found some of the issues I'd be writing about partially addressed in the newer orientation island, as well as the MDStyle island. I figured I might as well post a few since some folks got hot and bothered by my mentioning some of my concerns in world.
			To start, there are improvements in the content provided (both the linden and mdstyle OIs), but the MDstyle island is visually unappealing and doesn't visually demonstrate the concept of "Second Life".
			After getting out of the building section, it's very confusing to some residents. I do like that it is enclosed and essentially "forces" the new residents to learn the basics. As I believe it's been stated before, MDStyle needs more room for the editing appearance section. The signs with directions are a great idea, but are visually unappealing. The document I'm currently working on focuses more on a HUD/bot/interactive approach rather than signs as a means to better involve and explain things to the new user, as well as demonstrate the power of Second Life as a viable medium for a variety of tasks. Signs are, in my opinion, the "easy way" to get it done and far intuitive than an automated, well scripted HUD that could walk residents through a more thorough and elaborate tutorial.
			In general, I get the distinct impression that a lot more thought could have been put into the presentation and "selling" of Second Life and the amount and ease of educational material in the orientation island. I'm not feeling a unified graphic theme or themes across the whole MDStyle OI, and I think even those without a degree in design might feel similarly.
			I've been trying to find time to work on further documenting suggestions, as well as a space large enough to build some models in world, but it's been slow going in between two jobs while building my portfolio/job hunting. I'll try to post more as things get ironed out a bit.

JanKRO Kubrick: /* Ideas to try */

2007-10-18T18:29:00Z

Ideas to try

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	--[[User:RobertKlein Dogpatch\|RobertKlein Dogpatch]] 10:57, 12 October 2007 (PDT) Mentors might want to position themselves just outside the terminus to provide help before new residents get to the signs. Speaking of the terminus building, de-sanitize it just a bit so the people don’t feel like they are wandering around an expensive asylum. Maybe some well placed organic types of objects or graffiti on the walls, or even some land/seascape murals?		--[[User:RobertKlein Dogpatch\|RobertKlein Dogpatch]] 10:57, 12 October 2007 (PDT) Mentors might want to position themselves just outside the terminus to provide help before new residents get to the signs. Speaking of the terminus building, de-sanitize it just a bit so the people don’t feel like they are wandering around an expensive asylum. Maybe some well placed organic types of objects or graffiti on the walls, or even some land/seascape murals?


			..JanKRO Kubrick. October 18 2007
			I think the run option should be disabled since newbies tend to run past important information signs, and the FLY board should maybe be a phantom, so the mentors can use the stairs, because only they know that it is a phantom, if that is not possible please remove the stairs, so newbies must really fly to get past this barier.
			Other than these rearks i only have praise for the MDStyle, although it is a bit to unnatural for my taste.
			Me personally love the natural approach from the OI and HI when i came into SL.

	== Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle) ==		== Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle) ==

DoteDote Edison: /* Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle) */ add my stupid name

2007-10-18T08:19:19Z

Suggestions for corrections at the new OI's (MDStyle): add my stupid name

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	I did my best to pretend I was a new resident. First, I noticed the "Let's Move" sign. I don't recall having move controls enabled by default my first time in SL. Plus, the sign shows to [right-click]+[move controls]. I enabled my move controls and right-clicked all over, but I only got the pie menu if I clicked anywhere. At the bottom, it suggested to "click 'R' to run". I couldn't make that work either. Anyway, down the corridor to the alt-zoom camera sign. It showed [left mouse click] + [alt key] + [slide mouse]. Ok... I got a zoom cursor, but the camera didn't move. After some experimentation, I realized I have to hold [alt key] first, then click... doesn't work the other way around.		I did my best to pretend I was a new resident. First, I noticed the "Let's Move" sign. I don't recall having move controls enabled by default my first time in SL. Plus, the sign shows to [right-click]+[move controls]. I enabled my move controls and right-clicked all over, but I only got the pie menu if I clicked anywhere. At the bottom, it suggested to "click 'R' to run". I couldn't make that work either. Anyway, down the corridor to the alt-zoom camera sign. It showed [left mouse click] + [alt key] + [slide mouse]. Ok... I got a zoom cursor, but the camera didn't move. After some experimentation, I realized I have to hold [alt key] first, then click... doesn't work the other way around. -- DoteDote

	== About translations again: Italian ==		== About translations again: Italian ==