Enus Linden: New page: * [9:34] Tao Takashi: Hi * [9:35] Bartholomew Kleiber: Hi all * [9:35] Dahlia Trimble: hi :) * [9:35] [[User:Si...

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New page: * [9:34] Tao Takashi: Hi * [9:35] Bartholomew Kleiber: Hi all * [9:35] Dahlia Trimble: hi :) * [9:35] [[User:Si...

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* [9:34] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: Hi
* [9:35] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: Hi all
* [9:35] [[User:Dahlia Trimble|Dahlia Trimble]]: hi :)
* [9:35] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: waves hello
* [9:35] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: howdy eveyone
* [9:36] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Enus is in a 'Call people mean for no reason' mood today, watch out.
* [9:36] [[User:Sea Urchin|Sea Urchin]]: beanbag: Going to next texture.
* [9:36] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: >.<
* [9:36] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i get grumpy when i see zebra stripes..... sorry
* [9:36] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: lol
* [9:36] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Then don't look at them.
* [9:37] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: So, let's begin todays office hours with, surprise, talk about pyogp!
* [9:37] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: I'd like to give an overall status of the effort, discuss pyogp and support for the OGP Beta, and what's next
* [9:37] [[User:Sea Urchin|Sea Urchin]]: beanbag: Going to next texture.
* [9:37] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: So.....
* [9:37] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: gives Tao a sandwich.
* [9:38] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, pyogp is not moving away from the architectural choices we made early on
* [9:38] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: zca and buildout will remain as part of the implementation
* [9:39] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: because they are helpful, and because we have ironed out som of the challenges they were presenting us initially
* [9:39] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: that said, i think future work like this should require a higher degree of initial planning
* [9:39] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and group investigation
* [9:40] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: : )
* [9:40] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: that there was turmoil made me sad :)
* [9:40] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: (hiya squirrel!)
* [9:40] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Holla!
* [9:40] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so for status on the work, Tao is exploring the event queu, Locklainn UPD, and Enus test scripts
* [9:41] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Tao, what's up with the event queue?
* [9:41] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: or Locklainn, what's up with UDP work?
* [9:41] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: basically it's working, I get a cap, post nothing to it and get nothing back after 20 secs, go back to 1)
* [9:41] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: we can get back to Tao
* [9:41] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: ooh sorry :P
* [9:41] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: lol
* [9:41] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: tsts
* [9:42] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I am also working on some docs
* [9:42] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: hey, can I request a tutorial for newcomers?
* [9:42] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Nuuu
* [9:42] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: see [http://pyogp.net/docs/pyogp.lib.base]
* [9:42] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: what sort of tutorial tess?
* [9:42] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: is anyone here interested in a code walk through?
* [9:42] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: me
* [9:42] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: I do think that wiki pointers, and more examples in the code base, would be useful. or, pointers to the doc tests
* [9:43] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Yuss actualy that would really help people like me, who don't understand this stuff : )
* [9:43] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: me too
* [9:43] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I hope to cover some of that in those docs
* [9:43] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: but I'd like to ask a larger audience, because seems like most of us here have been in this office hours before
* [9:43] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Jira issue PYO-3 has some Docs that would help with that, when done. Stuff like requirments etc.
* [9:43] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: I understand the parts, but the structure of the new system is vague to me
* [9:43] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Sai, I think you could start taking a look now if you like. things are 'settling down' :D
* [9:44] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: same here
* [9:44] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: docs don't always replace hands on tutorials, sometimes it helps, *shrug*
* [9:44] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: with Tess
* [9:44] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Oh hands on!
* [9:44] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: I didn't know that's what you meant, sorry lol
* [9:44] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I am not saying that I am against a tutorial ;-)
* [9:44] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so I'll work on a newbie guide for the wiki
* [9:44] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I am just wondering how we can manage to look at the same code at the same time
* [9:44] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: If you need help, let me know, Enus
* [9:44] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: screen?
* [9:44] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Tess
* [9:45] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: rez an html-on-aprim
* [9:45] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: There's a great er 'thing'
* [9:45] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Where you can share your screen with others, it's been a while since I used it
* [9:45] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: netmeeting lol
* [9:45] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: but in on an animated scultpy of jellow
* [9:45] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: But I'll try find the info for you, so you can take a look
* [9:45] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: meet in wonderland ;-)
* [9:45] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: html on a prim could work, the svn is available in html :)
* [9:45] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: lol
* [9:45] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: anyway, just a suggestion to get the newly involved gridnauts people working with the test harness
* [9:45] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: sure tess
* [9:45] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: we will figure out how to do it
* [9:45] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: per testing, i do have this: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pyogp/Client_Lib/testing
* [9:46] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: has Flash CS3 that he needs to learn how to use
* [9:46] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: which describes the test bits to a degree.
* [9:46] [[User:Jumpman Lane|Jumpman Lane]]: hi
* [9:46] [[User:Carduccis Sticky|Carduccis Sticky]]: Green: puff puff pass... the air is full of weed smoke
* [9:46] [[User:Sassypants Writer|Sassypants Writer]]: hi
* [9:46] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: >.<
* [9:46] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: but it needs to include practical examples
* [9:46] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: while on the topic of tests, that's been my focus for the past week
* [9:47] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: at a higher level, what CG is working on over at his place seems like a great way to show how an overall architecture is laid out
* [9:47] [[User:Jumpman Lane|Jumpman Lane]]: h winds angl?
* [9:47] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: probably a higher level than is being talked about here, tho
* [9:47] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: I've gotten things sorted to a point where i'm about ready to point people at them. i've wrestled with test data issues
* [9:48] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Locklainn, how comes the UDP front?
* [9:48] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: well,l I've been working on the message system
* [9:48] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: so that it can be used to send and receive udp messages
* [9:48] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: and send acks if they need be
* [9:49] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: (essentially, just what is needed to keep presence)
* [9:49] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: its coming along, think I've got receiving down
* [9:49] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: and I'm working on sending
* [9:49] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: any questons on athat, I'll be happy to answer as I can
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: will that be ready soonish? what sorts of challenges/roadblocks have you encountered?
* [9:49] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: should be ready soon
* [9:49] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: hopefully by the end fo the day
* [9:50] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: only roadblock I can see is testing
* [9:50] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: have to test real-tiem to see if it works
* [9:50] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: which means logging in and all that
* [9:50] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: but that's later
* [9:50] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I might try to use it at the weekend
* [9:50] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: well, i've stubbed out an interop teleport test script
* [9:50] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: we can test with that if you like : )
* [9:50] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: awesome
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: yea, I'll check it out
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: fyi, the message system won't contain the loop
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: it can be used within the loop
* [9:51] [[User:Carduccis Sticky|Carduccis Sticky]]: Green: puff puff pass... the air is full of weed smoke
* [9:51] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I thought so
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: it is essentially driven by some outside source
* [9:51] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: hooray
* [9:51] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so I will experiment with some looping
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: yea
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: also, it should be used for both udp and http messages
* [9:51] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and probably eventlet and such things
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: though only udp is suppoorted right now
* [9:52] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: right, the client actually parses for UDP messages and sends them to the same handler whether they are from EQG or UDP
* [9:52] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so those are equivalent then?
* [9:52] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: yea, they use the same message format once they are serialized/deserialed
* [9:52] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: one is in binary and one is in LLSD-XML
* [9:53] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: ok
* [9:53] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: still sounds like a good use for protobufs to me :)
* [9:53] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: speaking of the event queue
* [9:53] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: *udp and llsd are same message format when not serialized, and when deserialized
* [9:53] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Tess: your email to gridnauts included venet queue implementation details that aren't in the OGP docs
* [9:53] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: will the docs be updated to include details like these in the future?
* [9:54] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: we should check at Zero's OH how we go in terms of protocol specification process
* [9:54] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: Enus: yes. I should also comment on Sai's email
* [9:55] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: sent an email... uh-oh
* [9:55] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: Please feel free to add questions/notes into the discussion page on the OGP doc
* [9:55] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: pyogp is kind of at the point where we can go to the protocol and craft tests against an implementation based on the details in the docs.
* [9:56] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: oops, I meant Tao's
* [9:56] [[User:Carduccis Sticky|Carduccis Sticky]]: Green: puff puff pass... the air is full of weed smoke
* [9:56] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: my goal is to have tests that cover all the details documented, to reveal holes in docs, or bugs in the implementation in LL and Opensim
* [9:56] [[User:LillyEvangeline Zessinthal|LillyEvangeline Zessinthal]]: gave you Diadem Island Resort, Night Star (220, 81, 22).
* [9:56] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: was thinking that Alzheimer's had set in early this year
* [9:56] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: lol
* [9:57] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, Opensim folks, please feel free to take a look at the tests and start running them against your accounts and regions.
* [9:57] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: I need to think of a way of separating out client tests vs agent domain tests vs region domain
* [9:57] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: a spec of new business. On gridnauts someone asked about using SLProxy. We should probably set up a PyProxy
* [9:57] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: If you guys take a look at OGP, theres lots of nuances that is implemented incorrectly
* [9:57] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: within the next month or so, we're going to cleanup all the notes
* [9:57] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: because teh AD stuff isn't woking the same way
* [9:58] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i think simple dnaming the test scripts distinctly, and calling the test harness to run a specific file pattern for each group
* [9:58] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: it would be nice to write failing tests against the correct protocol
* [9:58] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: I agree tess
* [9:58] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: corner cases.. lots of those
* [9:58] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: the nominal uses will be well tested
* [9:58] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so maybe those workarounds should actually be removed and only added on demand
* [9:59] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: we can make a workarounds.py which you can activate or not maybe
* [9:59] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: should protocols go the detail of describing e.g. the valid range of a real in the position returned in the response to rez_avatar/place?
* [9:59] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: otherwise, how can we test the boundaries?
* [9:59] [[User:Sea Urchin|Sea Urchin]]: beanbag: Going to next texture.
* [10:00] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: unless we make assumptions about the boundaries?
* [10:00] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Assumptions are always not a good idea?
* [10:00] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: : )
* [10:00] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: good question
* [10:00] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: enus: yes if there are restrictions... real is pretty straight forward, but like position for example should be positive
* [10:00] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe a z position does not need to be positive at some point? :)
* [10:00] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: like in the Hell Region Domain
* [10:01] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: basements
* [10:01] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so in practice, LL has a0-256 limit on x and y
* [10:01] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but this depends on the spec
* [10:01] [[User:Carduccis Sticky|Carduccis Sticky]]: Green: puff puff pass... the air is full of weed smoke
* [10:01] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and it should be defined
* [10:01] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: does OPenSim have the same issues, BTW?
* [10:01] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: maybe even range checked?
* [10:02] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'm not familiar enough with OpenSim to know, but i can ssume : )
* [10:02] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: we maybe should make a list of such open questions
* [10:02] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and go through them in some separate meeting to see what needs to be speced
* [10:03] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so per tests, I'd like to see how we can go about testing against OpenSim regions
* [10:03] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: test for known failures too?
* [10:03] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: good point, yes
* [10:04] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: graceful failure
* [10:04] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: tests should test failures
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: you can have separate test cases for this and configure them to be active
* [10:04] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i have started this in e.g. test_ogplogin
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so you can even test the workarounds in the AD if you want to
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: then you need a way to configure which tests to run though
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe inside some config
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so far test cases include logging in and rezzing on a sim passes, auth of a known account passes and the response is appropriate, and auth for an unknown account fails and the response is appropriate
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: but we also need tests for bad inputs
* [10:05] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so maybe at some point it would be good to have our own testrunner which is more configurable
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: etc etc
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: more configurable in what sens etao?
* [10:05] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: what tests to run and which not
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: right
* [10:06] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so far, we can filter based on filename patterns
* [10:06] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: default to complete test suite maybe?
* [10:06] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: looks at the test code
* [10:06] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and that is whats run when no params are based in Estate, all tests
* [10:06] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: i would prefer to go wtf, and turn off tests of no interest to me.
* [10:06] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, I think it would be good to have one configuration file which defines all tests and their parameters
* [10:06] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so you can save it somewhere and run it again whenever you need to
* [10:06] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: testconfig.cfg
* [10:07] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: which could be redirected to a GUI...
* [10:07] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: is something along those lines
* [10:07] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yes, that looks good
* [10:07] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pyogp/Client_Lib/testing#Configuring_Interop_test_data
* [10:07] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe like buildout
* [10:07] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: that you define as first part the tests you want to run
* [10:07] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: then actually every test could first test if it's in that list
* [10:07] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: right, we don't have a proper test filter in place at this time
* [10:08] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but you also need to pass it to the test script somehow
* [10:08] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but I think something like this could work, shouldn't be too hard to implement
* [10:08] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i believe testrunner has filters we could explore more
* [10:08] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: aaaaand: All those params need documentation
* [10:08] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe you can also pass some parameters, that would be good
* [10:09] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: when we fix bugs, we'll try to do it test first. That way the failing test is there for the Opensim stuff too
* [10:09] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: when we implement we should do it as well ;-)
* [10:09] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: (test first)
* [10:09] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: points out the need for an optional GUI to do the same thing
* [10:09] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: wanna build it sai?
* [10:09] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: :D
* [10:09] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: Sai: the GUI could write the testconfig yep
* [10:09] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: Sure, but need to know what I am targetting for a command structure
* [10:10] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: or just feed it in realtime with the right flag
* [10:10] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: for a start it would be just writing the testconfig.cfg I think
* [10:10] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and running the testscript
* [10:10] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: K
* [10:11] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and maybe showing the output
* [10:11] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: might be helpful ;-)
* [10:11] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: the problem might be good reporting so that you also know what's actually wrong
* [10:11] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but actually it already looks pretty good :)
* [10:12] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: fwiw, zope.testing.testrunner doesn't at first glance support filter on test names, just the suites or filename patterns (or directory filtering)
* [10:12] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: we can explore down the road though
* [10:12] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: afk
* [10:12] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: shouldn't be too hard to copy and modify it either
* [10:12] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: good point
* [10:13] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: as said, you can do the test if a test runs inside the test
* [10:13] [[User:Lucrezia Ah|Lucrezia Ah]]: gave you UNJUST UNFAIR WRONG!!.
* [10:13] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: if "xyz" not in self.config.list: return
* [10:13] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and you might write a wrapper around the testrunner which sets the location of the testconfig.cfg in the environment
* [10:14] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so I'd like to get to a point where the base test suites are working as expected, if incomplete in test case coverage, in a cpuple of days. i believe that we are nearly there, though i could use a code review to tell me what to improve
* [10:14] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: some of the implementation details are a little iffy
* [10:14] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: e.g. testconfig.cfg actually contains the data for testing right now
* [10:14] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: that should be renamed
* [10:15] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: any other topics/questions people haev on pyogp right now?
* [10:15] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: the actual datafiles maybe should be just referenced
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I hope to have some time to look over it and maybe even run it :)
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: try after 5pm today for best results
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but what I see so far looks good to me :)
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and, fwiw, the data config checked is is purely a template
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: at least ogplogin
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: you will need to mock up and swap in your own data
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yep, guessed so
* [10:17] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: (no more enus checking in his passwords)
* [10:17] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: didn't look like the LL passwd ;-)
* [10:17] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe those <256 could also be moved into the config...
* [10:17] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: then you don't have to assume hardcoded ;-)
* [10:17] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i agree there tao
* [10:17] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: I've gotta tp, Nice seeing you all! And all of your confuzzling chat! Be well. : )
* [10:18] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: cya, tomiko!
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: all data points used in test validation should be moved out
* [10:18] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: Bye bye grouchy Enus >.<
* [10:18] [[User:Tomiko Magic|Tomiko Magic]]: lol
* [10:18] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and maybe we can also have some defaults layer so you don't have to specify everything in the config gile
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so that they are dynamic
* [10:18] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: file
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: e.g. the login_uri to use
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i realized that last night
* [10:19] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: but we can refactor away later : )
* [10:19] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: right now i'd like to be able to hand off the framework to gridnauts so folks can test with us this way
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: well, unless there are other topics....
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: adjourned in
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: 3
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: 2
* [10:20] [[User:Sea Urchin|Sea Urchin]]: beanbag: Going to next texture.
* [10:20] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: wait
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: 1
* [10:20] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: just kidding :)
* [10:20] [[User:Dahlia Trimble|Dahlia Trimble]]: lol
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: saved by the wait
* [10:20] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: lol
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: crap
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: :P
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: thanks all!
* [10:20] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: ty
* [10:20] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: thanks, bye everyone!
* [10:20] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: wouldn't mind bears, if tess & locklainn have spares..
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: testing awesomeness coming soon to an email near you!
* [10:20] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: thx and bye
* [10:21] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: already has an enus bear
* [10:21] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: :)
* [10:21] [[User:Dahlia Trimble|Dahlia Trimble]]: Yes, I'm missing a Locklainn bear
* [10:21] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: w00ts! ty, locklainn!
* [10:21] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: I'd like bears too *blushes
* [10:22] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: you have to follow clues to get enus'!
* [10:22] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i don't give em out for free lol
* [10:22] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: one must work!
* [10:22] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: awww
* [10:22] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: sorry, phone
* [10:22] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: thanks Enus
* [10:22] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but I guess we are through, right?
* [10:23] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: wonders if tess has a bear
* [10:23] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: yeah tao
* [10:23] [[User:Tess Linden|Tess Linden]]: flies away to escape
* [10:23] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: once the bear talk starts, that's usually the end
* [10:23] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so maybe I will then try tp tonight ;_)
* [10:23] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: oh! she stiffed me..
* [10:23] [[User:Dahlia Trimble|Dahlia Trimble]]: no Locklainn bear? :(
* [10:23] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: yep, think so. Though, I'd like to see about workign up a pySLPRoxy at some point. Tried way back when wehn SLPRoxy wasn't workign on macs, but stopped when it started to
* [10:24] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: what is SLProxy actually doing?
* [10:24] [[User:Sindy Tsure|Sindy Tsure]]: bye, all
* [10:24] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: printing out packets?
* [10:24] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: sai, that should be easy enough
* [10:24] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I guess also intercepting and putting packets in the flow, right?
* [10:24] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: right tao
* [10:24] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: its a man in the middle catching all packets and letting you do things with them, either mod or delete or inject, or just display
* [10:24] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yeah, once we have the loop, that should be no problem
* [10:24] [[User:Dahlia Trimble|Dahlia Trimble]]: it can grab, filter, and inject packets
* [10:24] [[User:Dahlia Trimble|Dahlia Trimble]]: also interprets them
* [10:24] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe a good first example :)
* [10:24] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: all of which we can do (or almost can do)
* [10:25] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I will create a pyogp.sandbox folder if that's ok?
* [10:25] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: sure?
* [10:25] [[User:Estate Shepherd|Estate Shepherd]]: inject megaprims to make sure that its nor borked up?
* [10:25] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: : )
* [10:26] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I will also do some other small adjustments like moving the init() and will post about this to the list
* [10:26] [[User:Dahlia Trimble|Dahlia Trimble]]: poofs... bye all :)
* [10:26] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: cya Dahlia
* [10:27] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: is off then, too
* [10:27] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: cya later
* [10:28] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: laters

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