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New page: = Group chat = * [17:41] Morgaine Dinova: waves * [17:41] McCabe Maxsted: ahoy! * [17:42] [[User:CodeWarrior Carling|CodeWarrior Carling...

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= Group chat =

* [17:41] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: waves
* [17:41] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: ahoy!
* [17:42] [[User:CodeWarrior Carling|CodeWarrior Carling]]: Hi there
* [17:42] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Wooo, a quorum!
* [17:42] [[User:CodeWarrior Carling|CodeWarrior Carling]]: likewise
* [17:42] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: yay
* [17:42] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: whatre we quoroming?
* [17:42] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Dunno, is it a drink?
* [17:43] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hahaha, it should be
* [17:43] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: (That was a very weak allusion to quorn, which isn't a drink :P)
* [17:43] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: aw
* [17:43] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Oh, you mean RC2?
* [17:43] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: I was thinking, any drink 60% proof
* [17:44] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Hehe
* [17:44] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: bah, I'm getting messages out of order; RC2?
* [17:44] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Garn said he was in UXIG, but has just logged out, so maybe group channel failed to open for him
* [17:45] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: there he is
* [17:45] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: (We were talking about RC1/RC2) --- he says estate tools bug fixed
* [17:45] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Got us now Garn?
* [17:45] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: crash bang boom!
* [17:45] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Hahaha
* [17:46] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: nods. I've got a fix, but since I'm not an EM I can't test it
* [17:46] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: happens when your on a double estate with 46 ppl on
* [17:46] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: McCabe if u have a compile that guy is still on last i checked? might test?
* [17:46] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: aww
* [17:46] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: and and good news
* [17:47] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: sure, I can do that; or do you think he'd be willing to make me an EM?
* [17:47] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: we might have a Mac Dev
* [17:47] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Woot!
* [17:47] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: woo!
* [17:47] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: I notied a Mac person offered to dev a few days ago on forum
* [17:47] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: noticed*
* [17:47] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: i was talkin to another UX who might know some1 who would
* [17:48] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: as long as *someone* is up for taking it on :) the longer it takes to happen, the harder time they'll
* have
* [17:49] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: McCabe why nto let him dl and try it?
* [17:49] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: maybe we should start annotating the source, like, "MACDEV: look here!"
* [17:49] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: haha
* [17:49] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: hehe
* [17:49] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: garn: the source is up on git, and there are compile instructions on the wiki
* [17:50] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Good point. If you can't clone and build it, not going to help much as a dev ^_^
* [17:51] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: still doesn't understand any of that stuff :)
* [17:52] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: is trying to knock out all the non-gstreamer fixes so I can focus on the region crossing stuff
* morgaine's reported (also you'll be happy to know I applied the track/artist listing patch, which is just *begging* for some ui
* ;)
* [17:52] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: *kicks group chat*
* [17:52] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: anything I'm sending going through?
* [17:52] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: it actually makes sense once you wrap your head around it, it's just getting to that point, haha! I
* wish Git didn't have such a steep learning curve. It's so perfect
* [17:52] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: McCabe u get to talk to Jacek about the animation idea i had?
* [17:53] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: McCabe: Welcome to the joys of group IM over UDP :-(
* [17:53] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: boo
* [17:53] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: damn lossy chat
* [17:54] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: that would be an uber fix lol
* [17:54] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: no more chat errors!
* [17:54] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: find a fix then hold it for ransom!
* [17:54] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: weren't they going to move it to tcp?
* [17:54] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: The fix for group IM is, sadly, not to use LL's
* [17:54] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hahaha
* [17:55] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: is in a really good mood today
* [17:55] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: aww. Because of V-Day?
* [17:55] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Tempted to work on groups and group IM for Opensim, although it would be independent of Opensim, a
* separate web service.
* [17:55] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: spent the morning ambusing Linden's and Mentors with Big Purple Fluffy Werepoodle hugs!
* [17:55] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: lol
* [17:55] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: haha
* [17:56] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: grins goofily
* [17:56] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: I suppose I should go just to see how bad the lag is XD
* [17:56] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: terrible
* [17:56] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: last year, I think I pressed forward and somehow ended up across the grid after five minutes of freeze
* frame
* [17:58] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: oooh, I just figured out what the "chat history not scrolling bug" is
* [17:58] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: lol
* [17:58] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: yeay!
* [17:58] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Woohoo McCabe!
* [17:58] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: it you set focus to your chat history *right* as someone talks, it doesn't scroll down
* [17:59] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Yeah, it's damn annoying
* [17:59] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: nods
* [17:59] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: But how did that regression happen? Nothing's touched the IM window for ages
* [18:00] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: same thing that broke the history logs for it
* [18:00] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: ?
* [18:01] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: it probably is my fix for group chat not scrolling to the bottom when show last IM in conversation is
* enabled
* [18:02] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: *roots out commit*
* [18:03] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: MCCABE!
* [18:05] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: [http://github.com/mccabe/imprudence/commit/05f5b3c04a6273303bce3abec6f79f27a8a93faf]
* [18:06] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: I'm actually not sure if there's a fix for htis, since if the user is scrolling up through the chat
* history we don't want to force them down to the nearest chat; perhaps freezing text on focus received to make sure there are no
* updates when focus changes
* [18:07] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: yea thats always been a pain for me, scanning up looking for something to have some1 chat and bump it
* back down
* [18:08] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: nods. That's a case of "surprise behavior" that should be avoided
* [18:08] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Just mode it McCabe --- provide a "Locked" button that lights up when scrolled to bottom, but if the
* user scrolls upwards then unlock it.
* [18:08] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Then no surprises
* [18:09] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: what relocks it?
* [18:09] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hm, that sounds rather confusing; would have to explain what that state means, how to use it, etc
* [18:09] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Either scrolling down to bottom on actiually clicking Locked locks it
* [18:09] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Tooltip will explain what it does
* [18:10] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: i went for a while before i even knew about tooltips Morg
* [18:10] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: "If this is ON (lit up), then incoming chat scrolls the screen up automatically".
* [18:11] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: i'd almost think about using a key
* [18:11] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: I like visual feedback on UI.
* [18:11] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: if a key is held with window active it stops autofeed
* [18:11] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: The lock status is a must.
* [18:12] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: You could just colour the scroll bar instead, but that's far less obvious than having an explicit
* Locked button+indicator.
* [18:13] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: I think that'd prolly be a little-understood indicator. No toher chat window I know of has one, they
* all just work
* [18:13] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: the window should stop scrolling when you put a cursor on the text inside eg selecting to copy, which
* then is the task at hand not reading new entries, same for main chat
* [18:14] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: McCabe: they all just work in the manner I described --- the only difference is that there's usually
* no indicator for the mode, it's hidden. :-)
* [18:14] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hmm, it could stop scrolling when the mouse is hovered over the window
* [18:14] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Jeez no, the mouse is roaming everywhere
* [18:14] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: but how does that work for scrolling up? is the scrollbar part of the window?
* [18:14] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: well, not IRC :)
* [18:15] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: yeah; I'd prefer to avoid using any mouseover, well, anywhere, haha
* [18:15] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: maybe worth testing but clicking in the window (focus) certainly should
* [18:16] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Mouseover help (tooltip) makes sense though for help, since by definition you're interested in knowing
* about something when you're hovering over it.
* [18:16] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Clicking in the window should ***NOT*** scroll to bottom --- you'd never be able to paste from the
* text.
* [18:17] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hrm. I'd say that any feature that requires a mouseover to make sense isn't a very usable feature
* [18:17] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: yeah
* [18:17] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: I do hate that "feature"
* [18:18] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: what about a [ >|
* [18:18] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Yeah, it's a totally disastrous "feature". Currently we always lose our position in scrolled-back
* text whenever we change window focus. Who the hell though that one up at LL ... grrrr
* [18:18] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: u guys
* [18:18] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: if the local chat window is in focus and click auto scroll stops
* [18:19] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: I meant focus in the text history should stop scrolling till you focus in the entry field
* [18:19] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: it does
* [18:19] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: i just tested it
* [18:19] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: McCabe: you mean just below the current top and bottom buttons? Yeah, that would work.
* [18:19] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: OK, I had some probs with that, but that was SL RC I think
* [18:20] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: yea ive got one of the nci alts with me
* [18:20] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: yeah; part of the problem is the "rounded" scrollbars LL's skin uses too, I think; they don't give a
* good indication of scrolling distance
* [18:21] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: u know now that im testin this i see no problem other than it not auto scrolling when the local chat
* window is in focus
* [18:22] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: every other time it scrolls properly for me
* [18:22] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Please don't make any program logic depend on focus. It's a nightmare. Things should not stop
* working as expected just because focus is elsewhere.
* [18:22] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: almost seems to its a feature that is not known fully
* [18:23] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: well thats the way its working currently
* [18:23] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: yeah; I think LL asumed that "you're clicking on an IM/chat history, you must be wanting to always send
* a message" which is why the entire window scrolls down
* [18:23] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Ew
* [18:23] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Bad assumption
* [18:23] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: well ive always said the double chat bars are a pita
* [18:24] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: anything in particular annoy you about them?
* [18:24] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Input shouldn't be coupled to output. You can perfectly well be typing input to a session while
* referencing something back in history.
* [18:24] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: well my lower one is always open.. so it just seems wasted to have the one on local
* [18:25] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: it makes sense when its in the communicate window, but after its ripped it seems like extra
* [18:26] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: the text entry box on local chat window? I use that and hide the one on the toolbar
* [18:26] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hrm, I wonder how weird it would feel to suddenly have your chat bar blink in and out depending on if
* the history has focus
* [18:27] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: i agree that having the history have focus in a way is stupid.. but only because there is no way to know
* what it does
* [18:28] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Oh McCabe, everyone would love you if you allows the input text bar to be hidden with a button! No
* more misposts! :-))))
* [18:30] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: another thing; could the tab key switch the IM/chat tabs instead of going past the hidden ones?
* [18:31] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hm, I can do throw a debug setting in there to do that
* [18:31] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: charlette: how do you mean?
* [18:33] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: atm the tab key moves the cursor from entry box to send then the active tab (which doe nothing) and
* back to the top group info, but it could go to all other tabs eg chat and other IMs instead of the one that is active since that
* is useless
* [18:35] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: that's the default action for tab though: cycle through anything clickable
* [18:35] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: huh it doesn't touch the close etc. boxes, another bug found, haha
* [18:36] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: It's not supposed to do that, although there's no way to open the window management menu in Sl (in
* Windows it's Alt+Space)
* [18:36] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: but clicking the active tab does nothing and clicking the others would actually be of some use to
* cycle through the boxes
* [18:36] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: is that jsut a windows-only thing? I use tab a lot when browsing
* [18:37] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: and shift-tab to cycle backwards
* [18:37] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Actually, you can switch tabs in second life with Alt+<- (!) and Alt+-> (!).
* [18:37] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: No, Alt-tab is X11 too
* [18:37] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: well imagine that you could tab IM boxes instead of having to grab the mouse
* [18:37] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Which most applications take as "back" and "forward"...
* [18:38] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: However, Alt-tab should ***NOT*** be caught by the application, since all O/S's use it to switch
* between the current apps.
* [18:38] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: sweet i just won 500 bucks
* [18:38] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: You can use Ctrl+Tab for that.
* [18:38] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: lol
* [18:39] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: you can, charlette; geneko just reminded us all of the shortcut
* [18:39] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Ctrl+tab is often used switching between windows in MDI.
* [18:39] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Ctrl-tab is precisely for that, tab movement within an app. Alt-tab is for the O/S's app switching.
* [18:39] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: ctrl-tab scrolls a line editor by word instead of character
* [18:40] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Yeah, it's redefinable inside an app
* [18:40] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: But Alt-Tab should not be, or you shaft the O/S
* [18:40] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: does alt-tab do anything other than app switching in the app?
* [18:40] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: just tried it, opens the app switcher for me
* [18:41] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: so why does the tab move focus to the active IM window tab when it does nothing since the tab is
* already selected
* [18:41] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Which is correct, it's the O/S's app-switch keycommand, on X11 and Windows
* [18:41] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: weird. Ctrl+Tab focuses on the volume slider first. shouldn't it be thebottom toolbar first?
* [18:41] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: it actually focuses on the tab bar, which you can move back and forth with just the arrows
* [18:41] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: And why is the root window (the world) never focused?
* [18:41] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: can see how that'd be confusing without knowing how tabs are built though
* [18:41] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: But that slider isnt exactly the easiest to find.
* [18:42] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: By the way, remember to post a transcript later? If everyone connsents of course....
* [18:43] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: .... or not.
* [18:43] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hah woah, you can tab through the entire toolbar
* [18:43] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: sure
* [18:43] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: where to be posting?
* [18:43] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: u never knew that McCabe lol
* [18:43] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: i leanred that when my mouse died
* [18:43] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Talking about world focus, it's always annoyed me that there's no indicator for it. All MMO clients
* have the concept of target bar, and really we need something similar so we know when the world has the focus.
* [18:43] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: no, I didn't know you could tab up to group notices either. Didn't think the lindens would be that
* consistent, hahaha
* [18:44] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: McCabe: prolly a bug :P
* [18:44] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: group notcies too? nice lol
* [18:44] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: haha
* [18:44] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Well I was thinkin that since it's a rare on-topic chat it would be nice to archive it somewhere.
* [18:44] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: you mean an indicator you're focused on the 3D world?
* [18:44] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Yeah
* [18:44] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: grins at geneko
* [18:44] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Not all MMOs have that.
* [18:44] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: what does it look like in other MMOs?
* [18:44] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: waves to Geneko
* [18:45] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: A bar that describes what the current thing pointed at is
* [18:45] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: (and I'll throw it up on the wiki later)
* [18:45] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hmm
* [18:45] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: we could flash the title bar
* [18:45] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Well... actually no MMOs have an indicator of "you're focusing on the world" since you're always
* focusing on it, that's just what you're fosucing at in-world.
* [18:45] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: like, turn it light gray when you're focused on the UI, dark gray inworld, or something like that; what
* would be the benefit though?
* [18:46] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: In Second Life the role is played the tooltip (which has been turned off by default in the previous two
* releases).
* [18:46] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Not much... I think as long as you're not focusing on anything atop of it it would be fousing on the
* root window.
* [18:46] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Yes, it would let you know when you can move with cursor keys. And in due course, we can use it for
* normal game target selection./
* [18:47] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Currently there is no indicator of whether you can move in world or not. Focus might be on UI, and
* you can never tell/
* [18:47] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Feedback FTW
* [18:47] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: can always move because he has a joystick
* [18:48] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: I kind of get it, you saying that tabbing through the IM tabs rather than using arrows would be
* inconsistent with the rest of the interface
* [18:48] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Maybe have your nametag lit up when it's focused?
* [18:48] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Geneko: good idea :-) But people with mouse and keyboard only should be supported too :-)
* [18:48] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: You can use arrows too.
* [18:48] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: That *is* for people with mouse and keyboard only.
* [18:48] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hmm, do people get confused when chatting, or also when dong other stuff like sitting too? I know it's
* weird that the movement controls light up when you're sititng down even though you can't move
* [18:48] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: charlette: yup, you got it
* [18:49] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: for joysticks it's always controlling the avatar. Unless you patch in joystick support for UI, of
* course. which is something really needed
* [18:49] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: the tag would highlight just the same BTW selected tags should be highlighted
* [18:49] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: switching between tools... nah.
* [18:49] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: You can arrow between IM tabs though.
* [18:50] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: yeah I said that before I get it now
* [18:50] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: It's just inconsistant with all other apps...
* [18:51] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: it works, but more complicated that a few more tab clicks
* [18:51] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Also I think the tags is a bit too big. And voice indicator probably can be merged with it.... and
* perhaps a text chat indicator too.
* [18:52] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: how would you indicate it in the tag?
* [18:52] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: put the dot before, above or below the name tag.
* [18:53] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: like, lock it in, so it always changes the same way the tag does?
* [18:53] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Kind of.
* [18:54] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Merge them to be one element.
* [18:55] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hm, I'm trying to picture how indicating voice volume would look built into the tag
* [18:55] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Imagine something from the nearby local speakers tab.
* [18:56] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hmm, I could see that. How would you indicate typing, though? "klak-klak-klak"?
* [18:57] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: I don't know, really.
* [18:57] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: that would be great to have the dot and level bar in the tag in my view
* [18:57] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: It could be a thought bubble icon with animated dots but that would look like what I want for the chat
* icon...
* [18:58] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Or it could be a keyboard just to drive the typing err... metaphor?
* [18:58] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: as it is the dot gets lost on light background and is quite ambiguous as to whose it is
* [18:58] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hehe, that could be pretty cool; a little keyboard gif of different keys typing
* [18:58] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: yeah, that's true charlette
* [18:58] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: it only really says "I have voice" after you see someone actually using it
* [18:59] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: j2c! J2C!
* [18:59] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: bah; j2c!
* [18:59] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: (Actualy SL should support PNG and TGA too...)
* [18:59] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: I gotta say I love the dazzle team for letting us use png/tga/jpeg instead of j2c
* [18:59] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Nah, only so serious :3
* [19:00] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: and noobs never get it or often confuse which one belongs to who nametag would resolve all that
* [19:00] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: sidenote: the worst offender is the login screen: state_startup.j2c I think it's called; loading it
* takes *forever* when it's not j2c
* [19:01] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: would it be cool if they changed color for friends? the voice dots, I mean; yellow for a friend
* [19:01] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: if they're going to be integrated in the tag, they need to always be enabled, so we'd need colors for
* voice activated/inactive too
* [19:02] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: One problem, the chat indicator is "attached" to head while the nametag is "attached" to agent height.
* So for furries (whose avatars are like mascot costumes), it sometimes block their head.
* [19:02] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: No need for colors.
* [19:02] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: If someone is listening only then draw a bar aroundthe dots.
* [19:02] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: If someone is not on voice, don't show the dot.
* [19:03] [[User:Charlette Proto|Charlette Proto]]: I agree and on the nametag that would be less of a colour mess in the world view
* [19:03] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: If put on the top/bottom, you can have a half-circle as the background forthe voice dot, so if somebody
* dont have voice there won't be that circle and so would be easier to recognize.
* [19:04] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: It's not like I like propritary voice systems... :<
* [19:04] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: well, then you'd have the same problem of nobody knowing what hte dot did, and having some people
* running around with dots and some not; better to make the dot always be a voice indicator so people can just look to see what it
* shows, rather than checking if it exists or not in a particular tag
* [19:04] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Well, I'll draw something quick up....
* [19:05] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: yeah, I know what you mean, heh; vivox was *supposed* to be add an opensource distribution license for
* SLvoice in january but there's been zero movement on that
* [19:05] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: even then I'd love to have an actual OS voice client
* [19:06] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: I'm worried if they can open source it at all, You know, that " Polycom® Siren14(TM) (ITU-T Rec. G.722.1
* Annex C)" thing...
* [19:06] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: I don't even want to know what people sound like, it messes with my head totally.
* [19:07] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: It does. My voice betrays my avatar.
* [19:07] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: Then so does listening to animated adaptions for manga...
* [19:07] [[User:Garn Conover|Garn Conover]]: u said something simular to cupid earlier
* [19:08] [[User:Geneko Nemeth|Geneko Nemeth]]: (Geneko, 7 years ago: InuYasha is a BOY?!!)
* [19:08] [[User:McCabe Maxsted|McCabe Maxsted]]: hahahaaste transcript here

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	* [19:07] [[User:Garn Conover\|Garn Conover]]: u said something simular to cupid earlier		* [19:07] [[User:Garn Conover\|Garn Conover]]: u said something simular to cupid earlier
	* [19:08] [[User:Geneko Nemeth\|Geneko Nemeth]]: (Geneko, 7 years ago: InuYasha is a BOY?!!)		* [19:08] [[User:Geneko Nemeth\|Geneko Nemeth]]: (Geneko, 7 years ago: InuYasha is a BOY?!!)
	* [19:08] [[User:McCabe Maxsted\|McCabe Maxsted]]: ~~hahahaaste transcript here~~		* [19:08] [[User:McCabe Maxsted\|McCabe Maxsted]]: hahaha