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<p>New page: Pavig Lok: welcome mister pastrami&lt;br&gt; &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thank you!&lt;br&gt; Annelin Corrigible: Pasta !&lt;br&gt; V.I.N.CENT Head: All Go&lt;br&gt; Jeremy Linden is Online&lt;br&gt; BigPapi Linden is Onlin...</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>Pavig Lok: welcome mister pastrami&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thank you!&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: Pasta !&lt;br&gt;<br /> V.I.N.CENT Head: All Go&lt;br&gt;<br /> Jeremy Linden is Online&lt;br&gt;<br /> BigPapi Linden is Online&lt;br&gt;<br /> Entering god mode, level 200&lt;br&gt;<br /> Jeremy Linden feels a little bit of lag.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Kevin Paisley: woohoo&lt;br&gt;<br /> Kevin Paisley: oh ok i have pants on&lt;br&gt;<br /> Kevin Paisley: didnt think of that before tping&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ryder Dryke: wow bigpapi thats an awesome av!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thank you!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Jeremy you wanna just throw up the sign-&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I can&#039;t seem to wear mine&lt;br&gt;<br /> Jeremy Linden hurls the sign.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; alright all&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; for those of you who don&#039;t know how this works, just IM me questions and we&#039;ll process in turn&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: Will Zee Linden come today ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: Zen sorry&lt;br&gt;<br /> Douxreveur Obscure: mdr mon groupe ca va pas les ennerver na ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:04] Alfrik Northmead: Okies... Mac question.. are we gonna see ANY improvements on Core Duo systems running the ATI x1600 Mobile?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; BigPapi?&lt;br&gt;<br /> poupee Tracy: *~*~LoOl*~*~&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yes&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: to clairify...&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Any particular improvement you&#039;d like to see?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Douxreveur Obscure: mdr je suis le seul etre humain&lt;br&gt;<br /> bylou Hax: non ya moi dx&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: I&#039;m running a MBP 15&quot; with 2GB of RAM and a the 125MB card&lt;br&gt;<br /> Douxreveur Obscure: t&#039;es pas un mutan ? lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> bylou Hax: ah si scuz ...&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: I get, if I twae the settings up form LOW to include the new shaders, etc. MAYB 6FPS&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: *tweek&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: *MAYBE&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Runitai checked in a work around for the terrain shaders being messed up.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Douxreveur Obscure: y&#039;a même le bohomme en bois pour la poussiere&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; In what regions Alfrik. I have exactly the same MBP and I get much better performance on average.&lt;br&gt;<br /> poupee Tracy: *~*~LoOl*~*~&lt;br&gt;<br /> bylou Hax: keskon fé ici au faite ???&lt;br&gt;<br /> Zen Linden is Online&lt;br&gt;<br /> Tazmania Trefusis: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> bylou Hax: :))&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: hmmm&lt;br&gt;<br /> Douxreveur Obscure: mdrr je crois que cest un cours de cuisine&lt;br&gt;<br /> bylou Hax: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> poupee Tracy: c eszt des robot&lt;br&gt;<br /> Douxreveur Obscure: père dodu il nous matte bizard mdrrrr&lt;br&gt;<br /> bylou Hax: hahahaha&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: Playboy, GOL4, Echo, Penrynn Oropesa&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: right now I&#039;m actaully gettin 10FPS&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I get 14 fps on high *WITHOUT* avatar impostors.&lt;br&gt;<br /> poupee Tracy: jeremy est mignon&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: thats with draw distance at 96m, particle count @ 1024, low post quality, and water reflections off&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Jeremy Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: impsters are on for me&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; With impostors I&#039;m getting 21 FPS&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Alfrik, what OS version?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: 10.5.1&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Are you running anything intensive in the background?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Baby Stage 2: Is a little bit bigger and realizes that thumb sucking is an option.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: right now, just skype, firefox beta 3, and transmission&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Alfrik, you running on an external monitor?&lt;br&gt;<br /> SunLife Timeless: on es venu se faire cuire un oeuf ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; curious what your res is&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: dual monitor set up. let me seee what happens when I kill the second monitir&lt;br&gt;<br /> Abacus Mimistrobell is Offline&lt;br&gt;<br /> poupee Tracy: bye&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; run it at your notebook&#039;s native res, on its screen&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; on the notebook&#039;s screen&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: yeap, it&#039;s running in a window, window rez is...&lt;br&gt;<br /> Abacus Mimistrobell is Online&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: 1269x799&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Performance should get better for you going forward.&lt;br&gt;<br /> vincent26 Dench: salut&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Alfrik I&#039;m going to take the next question, let us know how that works&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: thanks&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Once we can publically close most of the outstanding issues.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Which should be soon.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:08] Annelin Corrigible: What&#039;s wrong with ATI drivers ? Water refection works with 7.11 but doesn&#039;t work with 7.12. Do you plan to change something in order to see the reflection with 8.1 ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Annelin,&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; not only should the forthcoming release solve that,&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; ATI&#039;s forthcoming 8.12 drivers (I think that&#039;s the designation) should kill it and crush it once and for all&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: 8.2 indeed&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; WIndlight runs great on 8.1 on my internal build right now&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: ok Zen&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: Thank&#039;s =)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I had to turn off hardware skinning on some higher end cards, but that&#039;s about it. 8.2 will fix that.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; anyone else?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; IM me&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:15] Ryder Dryke: what card can you recommend to buy for a new PC?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; well, if you can afford it,&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; the latest Nvidia has to offer would be my suggestion&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; 8800&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; 8800 GT&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; or whatever it is these days&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: hello pastrami .. i used to be able to see videos on sl, but doesnt work anymore .. u know why?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; if you&#039;re lucky you can find them for around $250... and they run SL great&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I would suggest that you not skimp out on the second digit of nvidia or ati cards (for the latest generations)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; For example&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Rika please IM your questions to me&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ryder Dryke: thanks&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: oh ok sry&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; you&#039;re better off getting an Nvidia 7900 than an nvidia 8200&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; amen to that&lt;br&gt;<br /> Doug Linden is Online&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; If you want performance, on nvidia&#039;s end the *lowest* you should go is a second digit of 6.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: follow up here - killed firefox, kiled my second display FPS is worse :/&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Alfrik, did you turn on any custom settings?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: right now, I&#039;m running mid level perfomance with atmospheric shaders enabled&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; hmm&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; that is strange&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; latest OS&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; res is fine&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; how long have you been logged on?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: in world, or into my machine&#039;s account? in world, about 0755&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: is when I logged in&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; So you&#039;ve been in world for about 2 and half hours straight already?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Jeremy Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; BigPapi, I think that&#039;d be only about 30 minutes.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: nope, about 35 minutes&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oops. looking at the wrong clock.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; well, BigPapi, what do yo think?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Hmmm. I&#039;m puzzled. Upcoming releases should make things better for you Alfrik.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Alfrik, at this point, we gotta send you off with a &quot;try the next release, come back and tell us how it works&quot; :\&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: LOL&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: OK&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; sorry!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:18] Aki Shichiroji: What is the current status of water reflections, for those who are no longer getting them, whether with or without atmospheric shaders enabled? Not particular to my own situation, but i do believe video cards failing to load shaders was part of the&lt;br&gt;<br /> mentioned last week. [8:24] &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Aki, those most likely ATI bugs-&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: I&#039;ll kill my voltage regulation too&lt;br&gt;<br /> MystiTool HUD 1.0.18: Script run-time error&lt;br&gt;<br /> MystiTool HUD 1.0.18: Bounds Check Error&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; SOON!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Keep in mind I have *exactly* as you which I&#039;m using right now, and you can tell from the numbers I gave you that my performance is MUCH better.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; many/all of which will be solved with next release + ATI&#039;s next drivers&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; that should read &quot;exactly the same hardware&lt;br&gt;<br /> Aki Shichiroji chucklesd. arrighty.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:22] SunLife Timeless: Hi I would like to have a little egg please&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; me too&lt;br&gt;<br /> 10K&#039;s Magic Wand V2.10 whispers: Ich erwarte Deine Befehle, Meister.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ryder Dryke: egg&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; well I&#039;ll be&lt;br&gt;<br /> Kevin Paisley: o.O&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;note to Torley- an egg has just appeared&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br /> SunLife Timeless: oh my good&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ryder Dryke: :-&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br /> Aki Shichiroji: mm. breakfast.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; OMG i am so hungry&lt;br&gt;<br /> SunLife Timeless: Criminal band&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Egg too bug for pan&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; big&lt;br&gt;<br /> SunLife Timeless: =^_^=&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ryder Dryke: frying pan&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ryder Dryke: egg&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; any other questions?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; IM me&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: i did ...&lt;br&gt;<br /> CG Linden is Offline&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Rika I thought we answered your question?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; checks log&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: oh ok&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; oh you&#039;re right!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; my bad&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; about the video&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; sorry- I closed the tab&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: right&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; just write it here&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: well i used to be able to see videos .. but it doesnt work anymore .. its all blue&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: though i havent changed anything&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: quicktime ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: nothing has been changed&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Rika, you are using the WindLight client?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: phew i dont know :D&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; go to Help&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; About Second Life&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; and tell me the number in parentheses after 1.18.6 at the top&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; alright Rika, while you do that Im moving on to the next qestion&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:27] Annelin Corrigible: how many weeks before RC ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Annelin, let me show you a little trick we use in development&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: ok ... i havent found that yet&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; it&#039;s like a little game-&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: ok :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; you as me a question that begins with &quot;how long&quot;&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: I have to count ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I think really hard and try to look like Im thinking abotu all sorts of dependencies,&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; project management structure&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; drivers&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; etc.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ancient Roar: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; then look at you really seriously&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; and say&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Two Weeks&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: ^^&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; alright?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; ready?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; go!&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: alright !&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: pastrami .. its 1.18.5 (3)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; oh see now you&#039;renot giving me the lead in question!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: erf&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; hehe, no, in all seriousness Annelin,&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; this next release is likely our last before it goes into RC&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; *crosses fingers*&lt;br&gt;<br /> Cherrygirl Freschi: hi&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: ok&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: thank&#039;s&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Rika, that version isn&#039;t WindLight- so I&#039;m not sure where the problem would lie. If you&#039;re interested in WindLight, you can read about it here: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/01/23/new-windlight-viewer-77495-mac-talk/&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: ok .. thanks&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; it&#039;s a much improved client with better graphics, etc.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Doug Linden is Offline&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; jsut know it&#039;s First Look- so very test-ish&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: will it make me slower?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; what hardware are you running&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Depends on your graphics settings&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; default is likely not to&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; On Low settings it should be the same or fraster&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: im on iMac&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; how old?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: 3&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: years&lt;br&gt;<br /> Aki Shichiroji winces.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Rika, give it a shot-&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; but as it&#039;s First Look, no promises ;)&lt;br&gt;<br /> Rika Klaar: ok ill try . thanks :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; we have to go on to WindLight relatd questions&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; sure thing&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; 8:36] SunLife Timeless: I try fullperm objects to enrich my expereince on secondlife you can me know pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee ???&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; indeed&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Jeremy, you have some knowledgebase pointers here?&lt;br&gt;<br /> shield-anti-push-psyke 0.05 whispers: Shield active.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Jeremy Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Hm. I don&#039;t think we have anything regarding stockpiles of full-permissions objects, but you could try the Library in your inventory.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: or just hit any brasilian sim&lt;br&gt;<br /> SunLife Timeless: ....&lt;br&gt;<br /> SunLife Timeless: ....good bye&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:30] Detour Sideways: I just logged into WL and noticed my sculpties have gone lumpy after a couple of minutes. I was fine on log in&lt;br&gt;<br /> SunLife Timeless: =&quot;(&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Jeremy Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Wish we could be more help! Can you be more specific about what you&#039;re looking for?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: me right?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: well the sculptie looks lumpier.... like I uploaded it non lossless&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; If you could file a PJIRA report with before and after pictures, that would be helpful. Not much for us to go on otherwise.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: and if I go into edit to check the sculptie map&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: then it &quot;fixes&quot;&lt;br&gt;<br /> Aki Shichiroji: Detour&gt; i get that sometimes&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: VWR-2404&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Detour does it always do it?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Aki Shichiroji: but i think it may be the video card on my end.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: yeah Ive seen it happening for a while&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; well, if it&#039;s a known jira, which you just showed me it is,&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: mostly if I go to texture heavy areas&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; it&#039;ll make it&#039;s way into our internal queue&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m sure Torley will be checking it&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; on to your next question-&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: Re-Opened JIRA ... had been closed at 1.17 somewhat and just re-opened&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:38] Detour Sideways: now that WL isnt using opengl fog to hide things in the distance, everything pops in pretty abruptly. Any plans to change this?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; BigPapi?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: Ive tried using WL fog to hiude things but it doesnt really work that way&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: now we see parts of terrain pop in and out&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: just look at the hills behind me&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yeah, the plan has always to put back in the ugly GL fog (I personally prefer the pop in to the pea soup GL fog, but to each his own... )&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: zoom in and out... 1 stage you have a huge hilkl&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: next huge holes&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; But higher priority tasks have one out.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: well we dont need fog&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; BigPapi, you mean at the Low setting, right?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: but some other way to make the transition smoother&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Not many people have been complaining about the lack of GL fog at low settings.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: Im not complaining about the lack&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: Its more about this pop in effect&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: Id prefer it was dealt with some other way so the transition is smooth&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: other game engines deal with it in different ways&lt;br&gt;<br /> Zen Linden wonders if it would be a gain to just draw the entire regions terrain as single batch...&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: its not just terrain&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: its everything though&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; obviously&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; ah, well there&#039;s where things get tricky&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I think this work will get re-examined when we look at object transport- deciding which/when objects are streamed down&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; but it might make the popping look better... anyway, i&#039;m just speculating&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah, Detour-&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; our official stance?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; a known issue&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; good for future development&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; but nothing immediately planned&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: ok&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Detour, even on crysis and far cry, which don&#039;t have user created content and thus can have fine control over level of detail for everything, you still see pop in.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: no crysis deals with it differnt&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: its a gradual fade&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: in a grid of pixels&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: every second pixel&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: take another look at it&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: its a cool way to do it too it loks nice I think&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: *looks&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; will do. I&#039;ve played more Far Cry than crysis&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; So I could be confusing the two.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: I havent played far cry&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:30] Pavig Lok: Q: is there a fix in site for alpha textures becoming blocks of color when viewed from a distance in WL?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Either way, Far Cry does have pop in and until Crysis was the benchmark of large worlds where you can see everything.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; yes Pavig&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; next release should be good&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s not an easy problem to solve for everything, especially with user created content.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Pavig, if it&#039;s not good in the next release, we&#039;re going to take out the optimization that causes it&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:34] TheBlack Box: Is anyone present who can answer question about when to expect specific fixes around sculpties ? [8:41] TheBlack Box: Detour Sideways sculptie-problem is the one i would wanna ask about too :) [8:41] TheBlack Box: but i know more about it ... i make in-world sculptie-tools&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; hmm&lt;br&gt;<br /> Pavig Lok: yays - cause it breaks more content than it fixes that one&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; well, sculptie issues aren&#039;t WindLight-specific, AFAIK&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; team, thoughts here?&lt;br&gt;<br /> Zen Linden wishes Qarl Linden was here&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: me too&lt;br&gt;<br /> Annelin Corrigible: Qarl Linden has an office hour on Friday I believe&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah, unfortunately we can&#039;t speak to sculpties too much as that wasn&#039;t our work!&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: he keeps canceling I think hes had some important stuff happening&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; we can give general knowledge&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; about them, but none of us has done serious work on them&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I think Qarl has just returned from a vacation&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: this is a test sculptie&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; Wow, i feel like i&#039;m in an openGL demo&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: whom shall i give it to ?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I see a teapot, short and stout&lt;br&gt;<br /> Ryan Linden is Online&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: best not be fild, I don&#039;t mix well with water on me :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: if it is fully loaded the endings would be clear&lt;br&gt;<br /> Harmony Linden is Offline&lt;br&gt;<br /> Caligula Ferraris: hahha&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sorraya Pera: sissipoo&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box gave you Teapot - Wear.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Caligula Ferraris: ~~*~SiSsssSSssy!!~*~~&lt;br&gt;<br /> Caligula Ferraris: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> Kevin Paisley: o.O&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sorraya Pera: lol come&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: the teapot sometimes loads and sometimes stays distorted&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; TheBlack, we&#039;ll take a look, but it&#039;d probably be best to track down Qarl in his office hours-&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; do yo uknow when they are?&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: after a clear cache i see all my lossless sculpties badly until i look at the sculpt-texture directly&lt;br&gt;<br /> Detour Sideways: yeah I get that sometimes too&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: then (in most cases) they complete loading for me&lt;br&gt;<br /> TheBlack Box: in somecases i nedd to relog&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; alright, need to jump to more WL questions now, Black Box&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; [8:48] Alfrik Northmead: OK, do we know if 10.5.2 enables any hardware shaders, or are all the sahders still being handled by software?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; BigP, take er away&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; shaders being done in software should no longer be happening regardless of the OSX version you have&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; With regards to future apple releases, I&#039;m actually not allowed to discuss them at all, due to our NDA.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: OK, so all the shaders have been moved to hardware? I was under the understanding form a couple of the last blogs that due to driver issues they were being bumped to software?&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; But you should already be seeing shaders running in hardware if you&#039;re running the latest WL.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: OK, I stand corrected then :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; You are correct. But that part of it we worked around on our end.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;BigPapi Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; The outstanding driver issues are the memory leak on 8600M MBPs and hard crashes and freezes in the GL driver.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Alfrik Northmead: OK, thanks :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; alright everybody, we&#039;re wrapping up the hours&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Zen Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; later folks!&lt;br&gt;<br /> Aki Shichiroji: Thanks for having them.&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; I apologize to those with non-WL specific questions whom we were unable to assist-&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; try other forums/office hours!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; and to the rest of you,&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; LIGHT ON!&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> &#039;&#039;&#039;Pastrami Linden:&#039;&#039;&#039; bye!</div>

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