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Transcript of [[User:Zero_Linden|Zero Linden]]'s office hours, as hosted by [[User:Which_Linden|Which Linden]]:


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| [7:36] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|As always, this is public, it'll go on the wiki
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| [7:36] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith use to get up at 5am to be at work at 6:30am, "So this is sleeping in for me."''
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| [7:36] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Assuming I can figure that out. :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:37] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Today I thought it'd be cool to talk about the heterogeneous grid
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| [7:37] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi Nounouch, welcome to zero's office hours, wihch I'm guest-hosting
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| [7:37] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Heterogenous? In which way?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:38] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(Hello. ;) )
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:38] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Heterogeneous in terms of what version of software the sim hosts are running
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| [7:38] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You've already got three classes of sims.. and several bits of kit that's special, like the asset servers. OOOH.
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| [7:38] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Post liberacion!
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| [7:39] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|As in being able to stop only part of the grid for a rolling maintenance ?
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| [7:39] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Post-liberaction, indeed
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| [7:39] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|As in being able to put new code up on single sims and let real folks pound on it!
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| [7:39] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Faster maintenance is a goal
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:39] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Testing beta code in the main grid is another!
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| [7:40] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It's funny how much more useful the main grid is
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| [7:40] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I would so love that.
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| [7:40] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|size matters in this case I'd say
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| [7:40] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It has always been true that the users are the best testers.
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| [7:41] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It's hard to reproduce real usage on a test grid.
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| [7:41] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Access, too. I try, now, to leave copies of key work in asset at all times so I can rez them on sandboxes in beta, and test
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| [7:41] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But.. It would be much nicer to not have the 2-3 week window when I can't get new code into the beta grid
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| [7:41] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think since SL is promarily a communication medium, it's hard to get people to leave aside their main second life to do some testing.
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| [7:42] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's true too.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:42] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Asset lag is killer too.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:42] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I end up re-doing bug fixes to code to artifacts in the beta me.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:42] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|My avatar isn't as pretty in the beta
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:42] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Cut scripts from grid copy with fix.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:42] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Past to beta copy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:42] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ick
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:43] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Would be nice if we could send current objects to the beta grid for certain testing.
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| [7:43] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I wonder, would you all be more interested in the beta if the asset lag were shorter?
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| [7:43] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:43] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Helps a little.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:43] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I guess my question is, how much shorter?
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| [7:43] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yesterday
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:43] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith is joking.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:44] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well. zero would be idea. Realistically... once or twice a week (and on a schedule) would be helpful.
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| [7:44] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I also.. make a point to go log on and see what state my Ave is in the beta grid after each snapshot
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:44] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I don't know how much effort it takes to do a sync -- presumably a lot
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:44] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A "send to Beta" warping object ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:45] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Something like that Nounouch.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:45] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I use the beta for demos when main is down.. and once or twice.. when I didn't do that.. was bemused that the snapshot had clearly been taken late at night, with the Ave not in work clothing.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:46] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That can be embarassing.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:46] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|One thing about the het grid is that as simulator versions advance, they might want a newer viewer version as well
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:47] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|For features like sculpties, for example
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| [7:47] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The new viewer wouldn't be *required*, but you probably would want it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:47] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So have a separate viewer for the Beta grid?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:48] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mayhaps another series of FirstLook viewers?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:48] 
| colspan="2"|''Khamon Fate claps for first look''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:48] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|First Look is awesome
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:48] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|First look.. is a really good strategy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:48] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|FirstLook was great, yup. But we are talking of collapsing 5-6 different Firstlooks at once
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| [7:48] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Optional.. is not so good.
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| [7:48] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Only then you're not testing with the exisiting viewer, so how would viewer related issues be tested then.
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| [7:49] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I had to back off the optional update.. which is only easy becasue I'm very careful to keep the current install at all times
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| [7:49] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Which have you guys considered opening an Icehouse chat group that we could join and y'all could use to bounce ideas off us?
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| [7:49] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Finally got the grpahics drivers fixed.. so that I can run the optional. But.. it is painful, when the update takes your machine straight to lockup
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| [7:49] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith is all out of groups''
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| [7:50] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Khamon: you mean like office hours?
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| [7:50] 
| colspan="2"|''Zha Ewry is as well''
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| [7:50] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25 groups. Heh.
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| [7:50] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah but a group where we could chat about this stuff anytime
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:50] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thoughts, too. We'd be glad to discuss ideas you have, at random
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| [7:50] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Zha are you linux-based?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:51] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|XP
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:51] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I mean I could drop some educational ones, I've done almost all the free classes available for the those groups I'm a part of, but would hate to.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:51] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Or do you eat AIX for breakfast ha ha ha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:51] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The linux version was fine. But.. we have silly corporate apps which (sighs) like XP
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| [7:51] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd drop a group to be a sounding board and idea pusher for Icehouse
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| [7:51] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think the problem with an always-running group chat would be that I'd rarely get any work done!
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| [7:51] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You'd have to control your growth
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:51] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I could drop a scripting group.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:52] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I mean chat
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:52] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Are you non-invasive bamboo?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:52] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Which is contained in a pot, I think that's the cure for invasive bamboo, correct ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:52] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Alas.. my laptop (and main machine) is XP, and ATI.. So.. drivers are tricky. We *do* have a new family which is nvidia based... just out. I *so* badly want one of those
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:52] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A "let's drop an idea and wait return" schema is what I use to call a Wiki or a board. Aka Web stuff
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:53] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Um, I heard that the species of plant that is sold as "lucky bamboo" is not a bamboo, it's a geranium or somthing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:53] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith is XP, Dual Core and unsupported graphic chip set.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:53] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|On a Tablet PC.
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| [7:53] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, a number of us, who are here a lot... chat about what Zero talks about.. between meetings. Having a formal group
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:53] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Geraniums taste funny to me.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:53] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|would be nice. Lindens could dump notices and proposals at the group.. and we'd be able to discuss it at random
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:55] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Maybe I'm thinking more like a forum.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:55] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You guys should probably ask Zero when he gets back -- I hardly feel qualified to discourse, since this is, after all, my first office hour!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:55] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(that I've run)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:55] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We'll tell anyone anything :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:55] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:55] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Back to het grid:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:55] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Speaking of which.. How is zero, and his expected arrival?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:56] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If there's sculpties in one sim, and some other new viewer-sim feature in a neighboring sim, what then? Have to switch viewer versions when you regious cross?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:56] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You're right it's Dracaena sanderana. Which is fake bamboo.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:56] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Dynamic loading sections of client
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:56] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Fake Bamboo ha ha ha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:56] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Gah. Don't make it worse.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:57] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Just use the front level browser..
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:57] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hopefully.. you keep things forward compatible most of the time
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:57] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Whole sections such as the menu bar, and when the client is logged in?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:57] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Aka Quarl toy with the sculpty code, updating the three versions, rebooting the zone, people reconnect, DL needed code and load it ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:57] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Aren't we sposed to talk about a browser plugin?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:57] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh no that's Benjamin at 10
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:58] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Initially at least, we don't have dynamically-loading viewers that are loaded piecemeal
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:58] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I wonder how optional rendering sculpties is gonna be.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:59] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|In any case, any beta branch tends to change a vast swath of code, so you'd be reloading everything.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [7:59] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Who do you expect it to work ? A viewer per server familly ? A sculpty-on-work one, a browser-on-work-one, a whatever-on-work one ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [7:59] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Given that one could build an open source client that doesn't render whole swaths of the world.. I'd think totally optional at some leval Khamon.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:00] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Or a single client being updated several times a day ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:00] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Morning Chaley.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:00] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How often would you imagine deploying new code to sims, Which?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:00] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Client updates should always be optional after liberacion
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:00] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Jarod.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:00] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Morning Jarod
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:00] 
| Chaley May:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mrning :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:00] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:00] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Morning folks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:00] 
| colspan="2"|''Entering god mode, level 200''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:01] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Welcome to Zero's office hours
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:01] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Zero's office hours where Zero is zero.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:01] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So new features can be plugged into the download piecemeal, but downloads will still be whole clients?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:01] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|optional because there will finally be a set protocol in place?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:01] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, so there's two things to separaate
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:01] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You can expect people to do some work like an optionnal upgrade to get into "Quarl's crazy sculpty land"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:01] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Interesting idea Khamon.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:02] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|There's the "dynamic loading viewer" which we don't have any plans to biuld
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:02] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(but would be cool)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:02] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And the het grid itself, on a liberated message template
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:02] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd agree, NN. Since mosty people won't be hitting oddball beta sims, it would be reasaonbel to say "If you want to test X you need the new browser"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:03] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh, BTW, it takes a whole process first of fail-safe and power back-up ;))
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:03] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what about splitting functionality into different dllls that share the same interface and can be loaded/unloaded on demand?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:03] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like Mozilla>
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:03] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:03] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's the idea, but it is what Which just refused ;))
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:03] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mozilla's plugins aren't dlls
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:03] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|right... xpi, iirc
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:03] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I didn't refuse it, I just said we have no plans to build it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:03] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|My bad
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:03] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And.. cross platform plugins are challenging
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:04] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, the SL client needs, what, COM access?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:04] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|State and windows behavior when loading/unlaoding .dlls is icky
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:04] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Unless we lived in Linux land.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:04] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Honestly, I fear "less used" platforms will be left on the side during live-beta sessions if the builds aren"t automated and frequent.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:04] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|On the other hand, Benjamin's going to talk about an SL browser plugin at his office hours.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:05] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Even Mozilla, with its non-compiled plugins, often needs to restart when you add a new plugin
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:05] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Is true.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:05] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Where'd Eric go? Is he articlizing Icehouse?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:05] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A sliced client isn't a hack, it's a major redesign
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:05] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, at least initially, if you wanted to try a new feature, you'd have to install a viewer
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:06] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But, by modularizing the backend, as icehouse has done, such things are possible.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:06] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which is exciting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:06] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It's at least platformish
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:06] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How do you see it Which ? I dowload a client to test Scuplties, another to test the browser on prisms, etc... ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:06] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I don't know, that seems like the most straightforward thing.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:07] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We can only work on so many betas at once, so the number of clients outstanding would be limited.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:07] 
| colspan="2"|''Jarod Godel still wants a Tk-ish language for designing dialog boxes via LSL.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:07] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmm. Have one download which has all different executables included and pops up a dialog on startup where you choose which one you want to run?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:08] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hmmm.... a meta-viewer?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:08] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Differential patches on the fly ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:08] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that may just work out?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:08] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith hrms.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:08] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Patch the viewer, then restart it?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:08] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Only drawback, you need to relog between each different beta
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:09] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|BTW, I expect at least 4-5 different betas to runs at the same time.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:09] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Not a couple
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:10] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, we're probably going to ramp up to that many, if at all.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:10] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh boy, choose your beta...LOL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:10] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Refrain in liberty ? ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:11] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|would be interesting to see which of the betas is chosen most :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:11] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Visual candies ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:11] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The "asset usage reduced by 50%" won't be very popular
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:12] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Lag reduced by 10%, that one.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:12] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Nah, might get some builders, but not the rush
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:12] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd expect a bunch of betas to have backend changes that don't require a new viewer
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:13] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Imagine putting a live sculpty on main right now, it will soon be capped for days
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:13] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|All hail the great wondrous sculptie! ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:14] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ha ha, yeah, would landowners be eager to have such a beta software for their land?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:14] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Gah. Gotta go deal with RL.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:14] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And there will be "transgender", Sculptie 3.0, Browser on face 2.0, Sculpty 2.2 + Browser 1.1
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:14] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I would. I have islands where I'd gladly go load a test version
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:14] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Better to find bugs early.. than be hit hard.. when they go live
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:14] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I believe Beta sims should be kept under full Lindens control
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:14] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I would,
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:14] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Depends what you're testing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:15] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sooner or later. you want wide exposure
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:15] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So you find out what's broken
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:15] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If your whole inventory and money is wiped by a Beta bug, what will you do ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:15] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The same thing that you do, if it happens on the live grid
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:15] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Call the Lindens.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:15] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Even worst, one of your visitor
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:16] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But I expect such failures to happen in a Beta
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:16] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Its a fair point.. But... I've not seen that stuff happen on the beta grid, so I'm not sure you'd expect it in the live grid
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:16] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm sure it would be reported which lands were doing beta testing.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:16] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd also think.. you'd do roll outs.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:16] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We never had that problem using First Look that I remember.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:16] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Put beta code up in a few sims..t hen slowly grow the use
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:16] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So you will have Lindens doing extra Concierge stuff, splitting Beta problems from "usual" problems
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:17] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Maybe a few sims with group access only so people going there would definitely know the risks.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:17] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So..by the time you'd offer it up to the broader community. hopefully, you're looking for load and edge case bugs
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:17] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Need a new Linden group maybe. I'm free ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:17] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How about changing the ground texture on any "beta" sims? to one that clearly reads "BETA" ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:17] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well LL pays Concierge staff to handle things like that.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:17] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ooof, yeah, we would have to have some sort of obvious visual indicator in the viewer that says you're in a beta sim
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:17] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sky writing.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:17] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Or a preteleport message maybe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:17] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A preference setup "Allow access to Beta sims" too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:18] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or warn on entry
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:18] 
| colspan="2"|''Khamon Fate loves preference options''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:18] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You are entering the twilight zone, beware of strangeness.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:18] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But.. The whole benefit of beta is to get real residents and real objects in real us
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:18] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*use
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:18] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So.. you need to get it out there and used
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:18] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Else you're back to the beta grid
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:18] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The future of the metaverse are those "this website is IE5 friendly" messages. :-(
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:18] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Which.. as we saw last update.. doesn't drive loads
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:19] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We don't warn people when they sign into the production grid that all of their inventory and money might disappear at any moment.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:19] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I was on the beta.. before the major meltdown.. and the beta was fine
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:19] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Why should we have to do that for a beta sim?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:19] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It was only when it hit production loads that it melted
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:19] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Merge Beta in to Live, several steps ? Full Beta, Beta but real stuff copied at each entrance, Live asset changes ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:19] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Khamon : The TOS does
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:19] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well.. I think.. that once you get to really early code.. I'd want to be warned
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:20] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith would want to be warned too.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:20] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Assets.. I'm having a hard time imaginign assets getting eaten because of a sim/client bug I suppose a few could
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:20] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Seems like there are varying degrees of "beta"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:20] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but.. your whole inventory? Seems hard to imagine
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:20] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Maybe we should use some more greek letters
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:20] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well if the beta sim message is as long and complex as the TOS we might as well skip it altogether
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:20] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Definitel multiple levels
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:21] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|No wait, I mean if they've read the TOS and know that they might lose anything at any time anyway, why do we need to warn them especially on entrance to a beta sim?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:21] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It'd have to pass at least a certain level of stability to make it on the live grid at all
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:21] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|First step could be the withdraw the need for a different grid
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:21] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Everythign from "totally new stuff, untested" to "Just about to go live"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:21] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Khamon: Because people don't know how to read, but how to whine ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:22] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|True but you've twice invalidated the need to publish anything for them to read.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:22] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Keep them safe by default, even if them not knowing it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:22] 
| Zha Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hey all gotta run. Which.. thanks.. Pas a hello on to Zero... if you get a chance.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:22] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks Zha, I will!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:22] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|People come and go so quickly here. :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:23] 
| Gery Bury:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hello
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:23] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I had to do that at Tuesday's meeting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:23] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Have the client render everything in greyscale in a beta sim... like an old movie. I think that's be an obvious indicator that something's going on ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:23] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi Gery, welcometo the tail end of Zero's office hours
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:23] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith had a interview Tuesday, "So I couldn't make that meeting."''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:23] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Make it all wireframe ha ha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:23] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We're not helping are we?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:23] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ha ha, with little phosphor flickers.... it could be done. :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:23] 
| Gery Bury:
| style="white-space:normal;"|my english ist not so good
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:23] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A simple icon + a preference in setup "I acknoledge to enter Beta sims at stage XXX"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:23] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Is there anything else you wanted to talk about seriously Which?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:24] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Would be like the old days, when VR was a baby, wireframes ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:24] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I had no other topics in mind, Khamon
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:24] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah I agree that checking a preference box would cover it well enough. Then only people who checked it would be accessing the sims anyway with full knowledge of what they were doing.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:25] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i refuse to be on a beta list!!1!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:25] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Have y'all implemented LLSD anywhere yet?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:25] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Caps are LLSD
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:25] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(kidding)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:25] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We must verify that eveyone on the beta list has green hair.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:25] 
| colspan="2"|''Khamon Fate claps for caps''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:26] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|No problem, I love green and have a lot of green hair ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:26] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How about if the whole grid has two "main" versions?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:26] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Two ? Main and a Main + Betas-access-open ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:26] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Two versions of Havok is a use case
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:27] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes that'd be wholly necessary if upgrading an engine.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:27] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|havok.. yum.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:27] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's just more advocacy for the load-on-fly client
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:27] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That one would probably work best as one viewer, no notification needed when you region cross
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:28] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(because all the changes are sim-side)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:28] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmm.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:28] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I guess I have the perfect thing to stress test just about any physics engine ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:28] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Except people might whine there airplane just changed way of flying because they changed sim and don't understand what happened
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:28] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How do people send you IM's when you're not on any group with them?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:29] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith is getting IM SPAM.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:29] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hmmm...yeah, Nounouch, that would be troublesome
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:30] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|For them and for helpers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:30] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Might no be any risk asset-wide, but can be hard to troubleshoot
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:30] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmm. how about a flag for objects that defines which physics engine was active when they were rezzed and on sim crossing enable the appropriate engine for those?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:31] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I don't think we can technically achieve that, Squirrel
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:31] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmm
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:31] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Collapsing two physics engines on a single sim, seems quite hard ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:32] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And you need to have developpers keeping busy with upward compatibility
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:32] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*not to
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:32] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It seems that many problems could be ameliorated by making it obvious in the UI
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:32] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I bet a lot of users don't even know what the physics engine is nor care.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:32] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Wow, is it really 8:30? The time flew by.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:32] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd be interested know just how many people use the physics engine.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:32] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Flag the beta on several levels and let each user define is accepted level, with the lowest one acknoledge by default ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:33] 
| colspan="2"|''Wyn Galbraith needs coffee.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:33] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|aside from avatars
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:33] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Jarod: Me too, I wonder if we can catalog e.g. how many objects are physical
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:33] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Alot of users aren't techies, just here for the fun.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:33] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It should be queriabe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:34] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|queryable
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:34] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But that's a story for another time. :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:34] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, I do have one thing that milks the physics engine for what its worth :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:34] 
| Nounouch Hapmouche:
| style="white-space:normal;"|When my hairs are floating in the air, I don't mind using a physical engine, but I do
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:34] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Second Life is fun?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:34] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|huh.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:34] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes it is.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:34] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Does Zero have something he does to wrap up?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:34] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|otherwise why are we here? ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:34] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|he leaves. :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:34] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|He tells us that everything we say will be posted on the wiki
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:35] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Seyalaterbye.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:35] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Wyn, the tech.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:35] 
| colspan="2"|''Nounouch Hapmouche heard something about plushies ? ;)''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:35] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh and he drinks coffee.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:35] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Linden Bears?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:35] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh, yes, all your transcript are belong to the wiki
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:35] 
| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:35] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ha ha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:35] 
| Jarod Godel:
| style="white-space:normal;"|some one set us up a web 2.0
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:35] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Talk as Yoda we must
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:35] 
| Wyn Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lindens have bears, not plushies. Plushies are TUI ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [8:35] 
| Khamon Fate:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Annoys some people it does.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [8:35] 
| Which Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|All right, thanks everyone, you were an awesome crowd today
|}

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