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== | == Call for Volunteers == | ||
You can help by adding bugs, fixing bugs, and adding comments here to tell us why and how you are or are not working with your own Chatbot. | |||
You can help by running the Chatbot in Linux, even if you have been running only Mac OS X or Windows on your computer. | |||
See: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_Write_Once_Debug_Everywhere#Running_Linux | |||
== News == | |||
The [[LSL_Protocol/ListMessage]] article now has a little code in an example - likely the seed of what will replace the first draft of the Chatbot. | |||
== Wishes == | |||
We could/ should soon add ... | |||
* rewrite to use the [[LSL_Protocol/ListMessage]] to divide the work of interpreting LSL among indefinitely many scripts via [[llMessageLinked]] and [[link_message]] | |||
We could/ should soon add ... | |||
* say if [[llGetSunDirection]] changes or not when World > Force Sun > Region Default shows sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight, or what -- likely it doesn't, the object doesn't know what its owning or creating avatar sees | |||
We could/ should soon add ... | |||
* move to owner and stop moving. | |||
* parsing of prefix monadic + - arithmetic operators, for scalar and vectors and rotations | |||
* parsing of infix dyadic + - * / % arithmetic operators with precedence, on pairs of values of the same type, on vector/ rotation pairs, on rotation/ vector pairs | |||
* forever periodically resynch or somehow merge the [[Chatbot]] and [[Hello Avatar]] examples | |||
== Bugs == | |||
This Chatbot script works reasonably well for some of us ... how about you? If not, why not? | |||
=== Bug: Channel number omitted, comma included, in echo of list value === | |||
STEPS TO REPRODUCE: | |||
<pre>/7 [a, b, c] // a list value</pre> | |||
EXPECTED RESULTS: | |||
<pre>/7 [a, b, c] // a list value | |||
[a, b, c] | |||
</pre> | |||
ACTUAL RESULTS: | |||
<pre>// [a, b, c] // a list value | |||
, [a, b, c] | |||
</pre> | </pre> | ||
== | See? The channel number 7 is missing from the echo, broken by design. | ||
See? A spurious string ", " of comma and blank appears before the expected result, who knows why. | |||
Another example that produces the spurious ", " is: | |||
<pre>/7 [llGetFreeMemory(), llGetFreeMemory(), llGetFreeMemory()]</pre> | |||
Thus likely this bug is with output of type list, not with input of type list. | |||
-- [[User:Ppaatt Lynagh|Ppaatt Lynagh]] 07:42, 14 September 2007 (PDT) | |||
== Bugs That May Have Been Fixed == | |||
=== Bug: (316, 48) : ERROR Syntax Error === | |||
The thousand lines of Chatbot script is script enough to confuse some compilers. | |||
The [[LSL Write Once Debug Everywhere]] article explains how you can develop LSL scripts that run well and compile without error in many places. | |||
The [[LSL Errors]] article explains the astonishing 2007-08 Windows compiler limit of about a dozen cascaded else-if's (astonishing when contrasted to the Mac limit of about five hundred). | |||
The talk archive at http://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chatbot&oldid=32867#Bug:_.28316.2C_48.29_:_ERROR_Syntax_Error | |||
tells the story of how Col, Huney, Ppaatt and Tim reverse-engineered, documented, and worked around the limits on cascading else-if's. | |||
-- [[User:Ppaatt Lynagh|Ppaatt Lynagh]] 06:14, 26 September 2007 (PDT) | |||
== Rethink == | |||
I have by now thought thru a new design for ducking our ill-defined not-quite-cross-platform-reproducible script resource limits by dividing the work out via llMessageLinked. | |||
Sorry as yet I'm thinking in the deeply geeky slang of compiler folk. Out in that world, my thinking runs as follows. | |||
http://members.aol.com/ppaatt/#%5B%5BReverse%20Polish%20LSL%5D%5D is my definition of Reverse Polish LSL. I figure we want to chat ordinary LSL onto a channel, then see (forward) Polish chatted on a channel. In translating from ordinary LSL, we'd chat the depth-first Polish first, i.e., the leftmost ( ... ) found, with just values as parameters. We'd then see the result chatted on a channel, which will let us form the next expression out. | |||
I plan to head that way here as soon as I get some more time slices free to work this. That way will let us divide the else-if's arbitrarily into indefinitely many functions. | |||
I figure we can define monadic == to mean evaluate a name. | |||
I figure we can use simply-quoted URL-encoding to pass strings around. | |||
I figure we want to distinguish no result, void result, non-list non-void result, possibly-empty list result. I figure we count the "no results" til we have enough, to know when no one listening can make sense of the Polish LSL that was chatted. | |||
-- [[User:Ppaatt Lynagh|Ppaatt Lynagh]] | |||
Latest revision as of 20:13, 14 October 2007
Call for Volunteers
You can help by adding bugs, fixing bugs, and adding comments here to tell us why and how you are or are not working with your own Chatbot.
You can help by running the Chatbot in Linux, even if you have been running only Mac OS X or Windows on your computer.
See: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_Write_Once_Debug_Everywhere#Running_Linux
News
The LSL_Protocol/ListMessage article now has a little code in an example - likely the seed of what will replace the first draft of the Chatbot.
Wishes
We could/ should soon add ...
- rewrite to use the LSL_Protocol/ListMessage to divide the work of interpreting LSL among indefinitely many scripts via llMessageLinked and link_message
We could/ should soon add ...
- say if llGetSunDirection changes or not when World > Force Sun > Region Default shows sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight, or what -- likely it doesn't, the object doesn't know what its owning or creating avatar sees
We could/ should soon add ...
- move to owner and stop moving.
- parsing of prefix monadic + - arithmetic operators, for scalar and vectors and rotations
- parsing of infix dyadic + - * / % arithmetic operators with precedence, on pairs of values of the same type, on vector/ rotation pairs, on rotation/ vector pairs
- forever periodically resynch or somehow merge the Chatbot and Hello Avatar examples
Bugs
This Chatbot script works reasonably well for some of us ... how about you? If not, why not?
Bug: Channel number omitted, comma included, in echo of list value
STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
/7 [a, b, c] // a list value
EXPECTED RESULTS:
/7 [a, b, c] // a list value [a, b, c]
ACTUAL RESULTS:
// [a, b, c] // a list value , [a, b, c]
See? The channel number 7 is missing from the echo, broken by design.
See? A spurious string ", " of comma and blank appears before the expected result, who knows why.
Another example that produces the spurious ", " is:
/7 [llGetFreeMemory(), llGetFreeMemory(), llGetFreeMemory()]
Thus likely this bug is with output of type list, not with input of type list.
-- Ppaatt Lynagh 07:42, 14 September 2007 (PDT)
Bugs That May Have Been Fixed
Bug: (316, 48) : ERROR Syntax Error
The thousand lines of Chatbot script is script enough to confuse some compilers.
The LSL Write Once Debug Everywhere article explains how you can develop LSL scripts that run well and compile without error in many places.
The LSL Errors article explains the astonishing 2007-08 Windows compiler limit of about a dozen cascaded else-if's (astonishing when contrasted to the Mac limit of about five hundred).
The talk archive at http://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chatbot&oldid=32867#Bug:_.28316.2C_48.29_:_ERROR_Syntax_Error tells the story of how Col, Huney, Ppaatt and Tim reverse-engineered, documented, and worked around the limits on cascading else-if's.
-- Ppaatt Lynagh 06:14, 26 September 2007 (PDT)
Rethink
I have by now thought thru a new design for ducking our ill-defined not-quite-cross-platform-reproducible script resource limits by dividing the work out via llMessageLinked.
Sorry as yet I'm thinking in the deeply geeky slang of compiler folk. Out in that world, my thinking runs as follows.
http://members.aol.com/ppaatt/#%5B%5BReverse%20Polish%20LSL%5D%5D is my definition of Reverse Polish LSL. I figure we want to chat ordinary LSL onto a channel, then see (forward) Polish chatted on a channel. In translating from ordinary LSL, we'd chat the depth-first Polish first, i.e., the leftmost ( ... ) found, with just values as parameters. We'd then see the result chatted on a channel, which will let us form the next expression out.
I plan to head that way here as soon as I get some more time slices free to work this. That way will let us divide the else-if's arbitrarily into indefinitely many functions.
I figure we can define monadic == to mean evaluate a name.
I figure we can use simply-quoted URL-encoding to pass strings around.
I figure we want to distinguish no result, void result, non-list non-void result, possibly-empty list result. I figure we count the "no results" til we have enough, to know when no one listening can make sense of the Polish LSL that was chatted.