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{|
<span id="chat1"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat1|[8:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi nick
<span id="chat2"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat2|[8:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi becky
<span id="chat3"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat3|[8:01]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi Babbaage
<span id="chat4"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat4|[8:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nock, sorry
<span id="chat5"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat5|[8:01]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|NP, everybody misspelled at first. :)
<span id="chat6"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat6|[8:02]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks for coming
<span id="chat7"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat7|[8:02]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmm, acctually I'm not a good scripter. Here to listen some update infor about Mono...
<span id="chat8"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat8|[8:03]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that's fine
<span id="chat9"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat9|[8:03]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Bugs differences bitween LSL2 and Mono.
<span id="chat10"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat10|[8:03]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i'll wait a few minutes for people to turn up, then give an overview of where we are
<span id="chat11"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33CC00;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat11|[8:04]  ]]
| Fake&nbsp;Fitzgerald:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi
<span id="chat12"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat12|[8:04]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi fake
<span id="chat13"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat13|[8:04]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol everybody fall
<span id="chat14"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66CC66;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat14|[8:04]  ]]
| Becky&nbsp;Pippen:
| style="white-space:normal;"|wheeee
<span id="chat15"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat15|[8:04]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's possible to make it across if you're lucky
<span id="chat16"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33CC00;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat16|[8:04]  ]]
| Fake&nbsp;Fitzgerald:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I didn't fall
<span id="chat17"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat17|[8:05]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi miya
<span id="chat18"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat18|[8:05]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks
<span id="chat19"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#00CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat19|[8:05]  ]]
| Miya&nbsp;Watanabe:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hello
<span id="chat20"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat20|[8:05]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|howdy
<span id="chat21"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat21|[8:06]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi creem
<span id="chat22"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat22|[8:06]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi
<span id="chat23"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33CC00;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat23|[8:06]  ]]
| Fake&nbsp;Fitzgerald:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi
<span id="chat24"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat24|[8:06]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|let's give people a couple more minutes, then i'll start
<span id="chat25"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat25|[8:06]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i'll ping the Mono groups too
<span id="chat26"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat26|[8:08]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, here's where we are with 1.24
<span id="chat27"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat27|[8:09]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we had some problems initially with a debug server build, which was causing problems with 1.24.1
<span id="chat28"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat28|[8:09]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|then 1.24.2 fixed a number of crash bugs with features other than mono
<span id="chat29"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat29|[8:09]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and 1.24.3
<span id="chat30"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat30|[8:10]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|after looking at the crash bugs, the next priority was issues that affect both LSL and Mono scripts
<span id="chat31"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat31|[8:10]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as these affect existing content
<span id="chat32"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat32|[8:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|1.24.4 which we're rolling out now fixed a problem with LSL script scheduling that was causing state_exit events to run slowly
<span id="chat33"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat33|[8:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as well as state changes
<span id="chat34"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat34|[8:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|with scripting running on the original scripting engine
<span id="chat35"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat35|[8:11]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah, so there will no longer be a 22ms delay for state changes?
<span id="chat36"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat36|[8:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as well as in some cases the order of timer events vs state_exit and state_entry events
<span id="chat37"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat37|[8:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|correct creem
<span id="chat38"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat38|[8:12]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what was happening in 1.24.1-3 is that scripts were yielding when a state change was pending
<span id="chat39"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat39|[8:12]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, you could only do 1 state change per time slice and so per frame
<span id="chat40"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat40|[8:13]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|also, because scripts were yielding all the time when state changes were pending, that slowed down state entry a lot
<span id="chat41"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat41|[8:13]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as a sim running at 45 hz has a frame time of 22ms, that made it look like state changes were taking longer
<span id="chat42"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat42|[8:13]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|they weren't, they were just being gated by the frame rate
<span id="chat43"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat43|[8:13]  ]]
| colspan="2"|Creem&nbsp;Pye nods
<span id="chat44"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat44|[8:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|also, the event ordering was changing as previously state_exit and state_entry events were being run immediately
<span id="chat45"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat45|[8:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|in 1.23 and before
<span id="chat46"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat46|[8:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|when the script was yielding on state change pending, it gave a timer event the chance to sneak in before the state_entry/exit event
<span id="chat47"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat47|[8:15]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|1.24.4 also fixes a problem with llEmail
<span id="chat48"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat48|[8:15]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that caused email to not be delivered to a script under some circumstances
<span id="chat49"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat49|[8:16]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and fixed a problem with prepending to a list having side effects
<span id="chat50"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat50|[8:16]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we're now moving on to looking at problems which only affect Mono scripts
<span id="chat51"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat51|[8:16]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|will scripts need to be reset to take advantage of these fixes?
<span id="chat52"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat52|[8:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we'd really like to be able to get a good repro for http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2908
<span id="chat53"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat53|[8:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which i think is actually a number of separate issues
<span id="chat54"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat54|[8:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but we haven't been able to repro any of them yet
<span id="chat55"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat55|[8:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we're currentlly looking at http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2751
<span id="chat56"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat56|[8:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which has a good repro
<span id="chat57"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat57|[8:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and then will probably tackle the other Mono specific bugs in http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1276
<span id="chat58"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat58|[8:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if nothing else comes up in the meantime
<span id="chat59"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat59|[8:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|creem, no you don't need to reset scripts to see the fixes to the scheduler
<span id="chat60"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat60|[8:19]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the changes are in the simulator code
<span id="chat61"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat61|[8:19]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and will take effect on running scripts
<span id="chat62"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat62|[8:19]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hm the svc-2751 repro could use some llSleeop functions I think
<span id="chat63"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat63|[8:20]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sometimes chat arrives out of order, even within the same event
<span id="chat64"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat64|[8:20]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, agreed
<span id="chat65"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat65|[8:20]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(but I guess if you had another object in the same sim listening, it should always receive messages in the correct order)
<span id="chat66"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat66|[8:20]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|moon metty tried it with llSleep(3) calls and still saw the problem
<span id="chat67"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat67|[8:21]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2365 suggests there are other problems with scripts being reset
<span id="chat68"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat68|[8:21]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so that's where we are now
<span id="chat69"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat69|[8:22]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|new crash bugs seem to have been fixed
<span id="chat70"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat70|[8:22]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LSL2 is mostly working as it was
<span id="chat71"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat71|[8:22]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and we're going to look at the Mono only issues next
<span id="chat72"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat72|[8:22]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sound reasonable?
<span id="chat73"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat73|[8:22]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sure
<span id="chat74"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat74|[8:23]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have a question - will the state change fixes in 1.24 affect the execution speed of on_rez at all?
<span id="chat75"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat75|[8:23]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oops 1.24.4
<span id="chat76"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat76|[8:23]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no
<span id="chat77"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66CC66;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat77|[8:23]  ]]
| Becky&nbsp;Pippen:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sounds like you've accomplished a lot of fixes already! Those reset issues are nasty.... hope they are easy to find and fix.
<span id="chat78"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat78|[8:23]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|are you seeing rez behave more slowly for scripts running on the original scripting engine creem?
<span id="chat79"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat79|[8:24]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(Mono scripts rez more slowly as they do more work)
<span id="chat80"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat80|[8:24]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah, running slightly more slowly (~1 frame), and also using up slightly more script time than LSL2
<span id="chat81"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat81|[8:25]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi zena
<span id="chat82"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat82|[8:25]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the application I was looking at was scripted bullets, and they "initialize" on rez to become enabled. And with their speed, the execution speed of on_rez affects the minimum range
<span id="chat83"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FF66;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat83|[8:25]  ]]
| Zena&nbsp;Juran:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hiyas everyone :-)
<span id="chat84"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat84|[8:25]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the on_rez handler should run fine
<span id="chat85"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat85|[8:26]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm using llSetName() in that function, so maybe the UTF16 being used in Mon ois causing the slight slowdown
<span id="chat86"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat86|[8:26]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but Mono has to check a digital signature when it first rezes an assembly which takes longer
<span id="chat87"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat87|[8:26]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|er llSetObjectName
<span id="chat88"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat88|[8:26]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but with bullets you are probably rezzing the same script repeatedly, so should only see that hit the first time
<span id="chat89"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat89|[8:26]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mono also has to do more set up of objects than LSL
<span id="chat90"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat90|[8:27]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah I see
<span id="chat91"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat91|[8:27]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so rezzing can take slightly longer
<span id="chat92"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66CC66;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat92|[8:27]  ]]
| Becky&nbsp;Pippen:
| style="white-space:normal;"|are there any tricks to minimize that setup time?
<span id="chat93"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat93|[8:27]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|make sure you do as much script sharing as possible
<span id="chat94"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat94|[8:28]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it minimises the time the simulator spends checking signatures
<span id="chat95"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat95|[8:28]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and saves memory too
<span id="chat96"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat96|[8:28]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, if you have a display with lots of XYText scripts for example
<span id="chat97"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat97|[8:28]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|copy the same compiled script in to the object many times
<span id="chat98"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat98|[8:29]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|instead of using recompile scripts in selection
<span id="chat99"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat99|[8:29]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|in terestsing
<span id="chat100"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat100|[8:29]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which will create a new XYText assembly for each script
<span id="chat101"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat101|[8:29]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmhm
<span id="chat102"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat102|[8:29]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if everyone takes copies of the same script when they use popular scripts
<span id="chat103"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat103|[8:30]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sharing will happen between objects too
<span id="chat104"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat104|[8:30]  ]]
| colspan="2"|Babbage&nbsp;Linden wants to see only one XYText assembly per simulator
<span id="chat105"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat105|[8:30]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|btw since it seems that scripts in an avatar's inventory remember if they were compiled as LSL2 or Mono, it might be nice to have a UI option in the script editor, when the script is in avatar inventory
<span id="chat106"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat106|[8:30]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(the same "Mono" checkbox, I guess)
<span id="chat107"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat107|[8:31]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that's tricky, as the simulator populates the checkbox by examining the bytecode
<span id="chat108"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat108|[8:31]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the dataserver doesn't know if a script in your inventory is mono or lsl
<span id="chat109"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat109|[8:32]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we could extend the database to store that information
<span id="chat110"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat110|[8:32]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but the script in your inventory has its bytecode attached?
<span id="chat111"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat111|[8:32]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but it would be considerably more work
<span id="chat112"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat112|[8:33]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|also, knowing whether nested objects contain mono scripts is even harder
<span id="chat113"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat113|[8:33]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so showing a mono checkbox for objects is really hard
<span id="chat114"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat114|[8:33]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you would have to recurse through the object checking the information for all scripts
<span id="chat115"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66CC66;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat115|[8:34]  ]]
| Becky&nbsp;Pippen:
| style="white-space:normal;"|makes sense
<span id="chat116"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat116|[8:34]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, it would be nice to have
<span id="chat117"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat117|[8:34]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hm yeah, nested objects also often don't reflect the true permissions
<span id="chat118"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat118|[8:34]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but a lot of work
<span id="chat119"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat119|[8:34]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi tegg
<span id="chat120"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF99;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat120|[8:34]  ]]
| Tegg&nbsp;Bode:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi All
<span id="chat121"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat121|[8:35]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hello
<span id="chat122"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat122|[8:35]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|any other questions?
<span id="chat123"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat123|[8:35]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi Tegg, Imaze, Keimar
<span id="chat124"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat124|[8:35]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|how have peoples experiences with mono been?
<span id="chat125"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat125|[8:35]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi imaze
<span id="chat126"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FFCC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat126|[8:35]  ]]
| Keimar&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi
<span id="chat127"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat127|[8:35]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi
<span id="chat128"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat128|[8:35]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|very smooth sailing so far. my only annoyance was that batch-converting scripts would enable scripts that were disabled
<span id="chat129"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat129|[8:36]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah, interesting
<span id="chat130"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat130|[8:36]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could you file that as a bug please?
<span id="chat131"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat131|[8:36]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sure
<span id="chat132"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat132|[8:36]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if it's not already in jira
<span id="chat133"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat133|[8:36]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i haven't seen that yet
<span id="chat134"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat134|[8:37]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sure thing
<span id="chat135"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat135|[8:37]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi gabriel
<span id="chat136"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat136|[8:37]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hiya
<span id="chat137"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat137|[8:37]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hows it going?
<span id="chat138"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat138|[8:38]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there has been also some negetive noise about Mono in scripter groups
<span id="chat139"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat139|[8:38]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|saying that mono is crashing sim, consuming more processor time, etc...
<span id="chat140"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat140|[8:39]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i'm not aware of any mono crash bugs at this point
<span id="chat141"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat141|[8:39]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i'd be interested in seeing mono using more processor time too
<span id="chat142"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat142|[8:39]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah
<span id="chat143"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat143|[8:39]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it may use slightly more when scripts are doing nothing
<span id="chat144"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat144|[8:39]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as mono scripts check whether they need to migrate when they're run
<span id="chat145"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat145|[8:40]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I tried to ask from them what they are talking about - but no one didn't provide list of crash bugs or examples
<span id="chat146"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF99;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat146|[8:40]  ]]
| Tegg&nbsp;Bode:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I am getting a lot more crashing this week on both RC and 1.20, and not using mono scripts yet :)
<span id="chat147"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat147|[8:40]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there have been problems with the web services this week
<span id="chat148"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat148|[8:40]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that have caused concurrency drops
<span id="chat149"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat149|[8:40]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|heavy text processing could be slower with mono, right?
<span id="chat150"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat150|[8:41]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but we're seeing a pretty low crash rate with 1.24.4.95600
<span id="chat151"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat151|[8:41]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like llList2CSV(llCSV2List()) of something really long
<span id="chat152"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat152|[8:41]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so these might be coincidence, as many people are thinking about mono atm
<span id="chat153"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat153|[8:41]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mono has to convert strings to utf-8 when passing them to library calls implemented in C++
<span id="chat154"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat154|[8:42]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that could take longer
<span id="chat155"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat155|[8:42]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which is the common case
<span id="chat156"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat156|[8:42]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but in generally Marshalling data from Mono to C++ is very fast
<span id="chat157"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat157|[8:42]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what about those reports about using more cpu time? could it be that all SIM monitor tools are not yet optimized for Mono?
<span id="chat158"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat158|[8:43]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|some of the library calls have been reimplemented in managed code and should run much faster there
<span id="chat159"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat159|[8:43]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lists are now implemented as ArrayLists for Mono scripts
<span id="chat160"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat160|[8:43]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so indexing in to them should be constant time instead of requiring a search
<span id="chat161"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat161|[8:43]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|for example
<span id="chat162"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat162|[8:44]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i'd like to see examples where running Mono scripts use more time than LSL"
<span id="chat163"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat163|[8:44]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i haven't seen any examples yet
<span id="chat164"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat164|[8:44]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|its very unlikely you'd see a huge jump in cpu time imho
<span id="chat165"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat165|[8:44]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|just idle scripts using up slightly more time
<span id="chat166"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat166|[8:45]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|maybe the performance hit adds up if there are thousands of idle scripts in a sim
<span id="chat167"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat167|[8:45]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|does that idle time affect the sim, if there are alot of idle scripts , like in a furniture store that has poseballs in almost every piece
<span id="chat168"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#333300;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat168|[8:45]  ]]
| Bartlee&nbsp;Arai:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It would be nice if you had a suite where you could do compartive analysis of mono to lsl and track local maxima
<span id="chat169"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat169|[8:46]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|imaze, most of those are now fixed in 1.24.4
<span id="chat170"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat170|[8:46]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|see the mono meta issue in jira for the status
<span id="chat171"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#333300;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat171|[8:46]  ]]
| Bartlee&nbsp;Arai:
| style="white-space:normal;"|comparative*
<span id="chat172"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat172|[8:46]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok - that was list I received last night
<span id="chat173"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat173|[8:46]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so - it was bit outdated info then
<span id="chat174"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat174|[8:46]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|creem, long term, idle scripts shouldn't consume any CPU time
<span id="chat175"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat175|[8:47]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|do thousand idle scripts contribute then more to sim lag then before?
<span id="chat176"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat176|[8:47]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|they should be moved to a non-running scripts list
<span id="chat177"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat177|[8:47]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and only become runnable when they have pending events
<span id="chat178"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat178|[8:47]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we have plans to address that
<span id="chat179"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat179|[8:47]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but it may not be for a while
<span id="chat180"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat180|[8:48]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|in the meantime, i doubt the extra work mono scripts do would have a noticable effect
<span id="chat181"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat181|[8:48]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|even with 1000s of them in a sim
<span id="chat182"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat182|[8:49]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I heard mono scripts taste like chicken
<span id="chat183"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat183|[8:49]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|to many rumours
<span id="chat184"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat184|[8:49]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, agreed
<span id="chat185"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat185|[8:50]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mono was the biggest change in 1.24
<span id="chat186"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat186|[8:50]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, many rumours :)
<span id="chat187"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat187|[8:50]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|most are saying we should not recomplie
<span id="chat188"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat188|[8:50]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so is being cited as the cause of many things
<span id="chat189"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#333300;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat189|[8:50]  ]]
| Bartlee&nbsp;Arai:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How long before Mono is where you think it needs to be, ball park?
<span id="chat190"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat190|[8:50]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but mostly, if you're not running mono scripts, your problem is unlikely to be mono
<span id="chat191"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat191|[8:50]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and for most people, most of the time, mono scripts will work fine
<span id="chat192"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#333300;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat192|[8:51]  ]]
| Bartlee&nbsp;Arai:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the good old 90 10
<span id="chat193"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat193|[8:51]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|why it seems mono affects also old scripts? is that mono-related or just bugs that happened in modified servercode?
<span id="chat194"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat194|[8:51]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|one small thing I did notice, is that the speed of the scripts is a bit faster when running a swarm script, it made the pet move faster
<span id="chat195"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat195|[8:51]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we need good reproducable cases if issues are found, if everyone avoids recompilation we wont get them
<span id="chat196"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat196|[8:52]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we left the original scripting engine alone as much as possible
<span id="chat197"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat197|[8:52]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but we needed to make a few changes to allow mono to run alongside it
<span id="chat198"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat198|[8:52]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the state change problems are a good example
<span id="chat199"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat199|[8:52]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the old scripting engine interpretted 1 instruction at a time
<span id="chat200"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat200|[8:53]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mono executes small pieces of code at once
<span id="chat201"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat201|[8:53]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so we had to change the script scheduling code to cope with both engines
<span id="chat202"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat202|[8:53]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|one more dumb question, if I am the owner of a script and recompile it, will all others using my script have a there items recompiled also?
<span id="chat203"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat203|[8:53]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and managed to subtly change script execution behaviour in the process
<span id="chat204"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat204|[8:54]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|christos, no
<span id="chat205"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat205|[8:54]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|only the copy you recompile
<span id="chat206"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat206|[8:54]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok, so that "eps" in the statistics is referred to that pieces of code that run at once? or how should we interpret that?
<span id="chat207"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat207|[8:54]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's like saving a script to produce a new script
<span id="chat208"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat208|[8:54]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|are that library calls in c# or something?
<span id="chat209"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat209|[8:54]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so we have to recompile every single script in our stores?
<span id="chat210"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat210|[8:54]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|other objects still reference the old bytecode asset and so don't change
<span id="chat211"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat211|[8:55]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|christos, if you want to create new versions of all of them yes
<span id="chat212"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat212|[8:55]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if they share scripts, the better way is to recompile 1
<span id="chat213"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat213|[8:55]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|then copy the new scripts in to the others
<span id="chat214"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat214|[8:55]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|to get more bytecode sharing
<span id="chat215"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat215|[8:55]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you'll also want to test all the objects to make sure they work after conversion too
<span id="chat216"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat216|[8:56]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have 7000 pieces of furniture in 5 stores, that is a very big task
<span id="chat217"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat217|[8:56]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|christos, agreed
<span id="chat218"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat218|[8:56]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ko Babbage, I've created a Jira item for the batch script conversion bug: SVC-2987
<span id="chat219"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat219|[8:56]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you need to decide whether converting the scripts inside makes sense
<span id="chat220"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat220|[8:56]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks creem
<span id="chat221"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat221|[8:57]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|jam, the eps change was due to Mono running small pieces of code at once
<span id="chat222"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat222|[8:57]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we have no way of counting instructions with Mono easily
<span id="chat223"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat223|[8:57]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok, so if I do not convert, will the furniture ie (pose balls) stop working
<span id="chat224"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat224|[8:57]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|each recompile creates a new c# assembly, so i guess it uses also more memory if we compile same scripts in each prims over and over, is that right?
<span id="chat225"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat225|[8:57]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, instead we count how many events the script it executing
<span id="chat226"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat226|[8:58]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which can be compared between Mono scripts and scripts running on the original scripting engine (OSE from now on)
<span id="chat227"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat227|[8:58]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|christos, if you don't convert your scripts they will continue to run as before
<span id="chat228"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat228|[8:59]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok, ty those where my main concerns, I can now make logical choices
<span id="chat229"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat229|[8:59]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|jam, if you keep compiling scripts over and over
<span id="chat230"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat230|[8:59]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|eventually Mono unloads them if they're not being referenced by a script
<span id="chat231"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat231|[9:00]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, you don't need to worry about that
<span id="chat232"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat232|[9:00]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but, you should try to have as many objects reference each assembly as possible
<span id="chat233"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat233|[9:00]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|to minimise the numbers of assemblies that mono needs to keep around
<span id="chat234"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat234|[9:00]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hum i said it maybe wrong. i mean if i use the same script like in hudred prims and isntead of copying one compiled in all, if i would create a script in each and recompile the source, it would use like hundred times more memory?
<span id="chat235"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat235|[9:00]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it doesn't know that scripts are the same just because they have the same source
<span id="chat236"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat236|[9:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but if you drag compiled scripts in to objects, it knows that they are sharing
<span id="chat237"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat237|[9:01]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so we could tune our scripts in that way, what wasnt possible in the old engine?
<span id="chat238"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat238|[9:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and only needs to keep 1 assembly in memory
<span id="chat239"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat239|[9:01]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it would be nice if the scripts had a checksum on the bytecode to check if they're identical
<span id="chat240"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat240|[9:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the OSE didn't do any sharing
<span id="chat241"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66CC66;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat241|[9:01]  ]]
| Becky&nbsp;Pippen:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Is OSE the new term for the LSL VM back end? It's the term that replaces awkward names like LS2VM, or LSL-LSO, or LSL2LSOVM... ?
<span id="chat242"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat242|[9:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, if you had 1000 bullets flying around
<span id="chat243"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat243|[9:01]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|each would use 16K
<span id="chat244"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat244|[9:02]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|with Mono, they might use 1K shared between them
<span id="chat245"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat245|[9:02]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if all the guns contained copies of the same compiled script
<span id="chat246"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat246|[9:02]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|will mono allow for you to implement use of other scripting and programing choices in SL?
<span id="chat247"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat247|[9:02]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|creating the UUID of a script based on its sha-160 checksum would be nice =)
<span id="chat248"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat248|[9:02]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|christos, yest
<span id="chat249"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat249|[9:02]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
<span id="chat250"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat250|[9:02]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok, thats great and hopefully will make combat sims and such to work better. is there another mono-related impriovement we could use to tune the usage of resources on a sim?
<span id="chat251"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat251|[9:02]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it will allow us to enable other languages to script SL in the long term
<span id="chat252"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat252|[9:03]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we have been careful to keep that option open while working on LSL on Mono
<span id="chat253"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat253|[9:03]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but there is still more work to be done before we get there
<span id="chat254"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat254|[9:03]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well, my dream would be if I could see a game engine running inside SL
<span id="chat255"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat255|[9:04]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|jam, bytecode sharing is the big thing that you can do to help Mono work effeciently
<span id="chat256"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat256|[9:04]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that would make the possibilities endless, mini games inside SL like a WoW
<span id="chat257"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat257|[9:04]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Christos, SL is like a game engine in many ways
<span id="chat258"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat258|[9:05]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lots of game engines have scripting engines and physics engines like SL
<span id="chat259"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat259|[9:05]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|games like dark life have been WoW like games in SL for a long time
<span id="chat260"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat260|[9:05]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, but it lacks the tools to make a good platform for developing game play
<span id="chat261"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat261|[9:05]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|one thing you'd need to do is give estate managers much more control over what avatars can do
<span id="chat262"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat262|[9:05]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there are some missing features, agreed
<span id="chat263"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat263|[9:06]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like forbid external attachments, and maybe force an avatar to have a certain style of appearance
<span id="chat264"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat264|[9:06]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and many people are building things other than games
<span id="chat265"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat265|[9:06]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, we need to be careful to keep the platform neutral
<span id="chat266"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat266|[9:06]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like being able to control movement of props in non linear routes
<span id="chat267"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat267|[9:06]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and make extensions where they are most useful to the most people
<span id="chat268"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat268|[9:06]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if you want game development for SL - then you need also better controls for texture usage and model/prim usage for SIM owners
<span id="chat269"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat269|[9:06]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yep
<span id="chat270"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat270|[9:07]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but that is bit offtopic
<span id="chat271"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat271|[9:07]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we want to enable the widest array of applications possible in SL
<span id="chat272"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat272|[9:07]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but we have limited resources
<span id="chat273"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat273|[9:07]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so have to be smart about prioritizing improvements
<span id="chat274"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat274|[9:07]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|megasims would be a nice start :D
<span id="chat275"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat275|[9:08]  ]]
| colspan="2"|Creem&nbsp;Pye is a vehicle creator
<span id="chat276"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat276|[9:08]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think the number 1 with residents is stability, so I will agree with you, you need to keep it stable for a long period and understand it before adding more features
<span id="chat277"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat277|[9:09]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and most of the effort at linden is working on stability
<span id="chat278"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat278|[9:09]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe megasims would require changes in alot of parts of the server- and viewercode as also to expect owners would use server resources wisely, i guess we should not expect that any time soon, it's not very realistically right now
<span id="chat279"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat279|[9:09]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which is why the scripting improvements are relatively slow in coming
<span id="chat280"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat280|[9:09]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and scaleability is also something I would think will help
<span id="chat281"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat281|[9:09]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mono was mostly me working on my own until near the end of the project
<span id="chat282"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat282|[9:09]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|wow
<span id="chat283"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat283|[9:09]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|great job!
<span id="chat284"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#333300;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat284|[9:09]  ]]
| Bartlee&nbsp;Arai:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Nice
<span id="chat285"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat285|[9:09]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yup!
<span id="chat286"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat286|[9:09]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|help! i'm being beaten with a car
<span id="chat287"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat287|[9:09]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yep, it's working quite smoothly so far =)
<span id="chat288"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat288|[9:10]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Babbage, do you expect the script memory limit wil be raised in teh future?
<span id="chat289"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat289|[9:10]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it would be nice if objects could consolidate their functions to a single script
<span id="chat290"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat290|[9:10]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|gabriel, si, daveh, vektor and periapse did a lot of work over the last year too
<span id="chat291"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat291|[9:10]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think I have skid marks on my forehead
<span id="chat292"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF99;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat292|[9:10]  ]]
| Tegg&nbsp;Bode:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think games would hae a better chance of working if we could reduce our continual downloading of textures by perhaps having a basic default texture set for walls & floors on our hard drives
<span id="chat293"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat293|[9:10]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(I imagine that without link messages etc, efficiency could be greatly improved)
<span id="chat294"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat294|[9:10]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|creem pye, that is also on our wish list
<span id="chat295"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat295|[9:10]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|proper script libraries
<span id="chat296"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat296|[9:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so you can share code between scripts
<span id="chat297"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat297|[9:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and develop general purpose libraries that can be used by other scripts
<span id="chat298"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat298|[9:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|instead of having to send them link messages
<span id="chat299"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat299|[9:11]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or chat messages
<span id="chat300"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat300|[9:11]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|even functions like llLinkParticleSystem() to set a particle system centered around a link in the object would be nice
<span id="chat301"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat301|[9:12]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|instead of having to have a separate script in a child prim for particles, commanded by the main script through link messages
<span id="chat302"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat302|[9:12]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have tried 5 times in my life to learn programing this is the closest to heaven for me, and for that I would like to thank you guys and the people that help in groups, like Jam and co
<span id="chat303"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat303|[9:12]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|glad to hear it christos!
<span id="chat304"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat304|[9:12]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|uuh .. thank you :)
<span id="chat305"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat305|[9:12]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:-)
<span id="chat306"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#333300;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat306|[9:13]  ]]
| Bartlee&nbsp;Arai:
| style="white-space:normal;"|will the old scripting engine be replaced eventually once transparency has been acheived?
<span id="chat307"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat307|[9:13]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|teaching the world to code
<span id="chat308"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat308|[9:13]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|your both welcome, its amazing to see what can be done
<span id="chat309"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#99CC33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat309|[9:13]  ]]
| Jam&nbsp;Meili:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and yes, mono is a great improvement even it has some beginning problems (that will sure be fixed)
<span id="chat310"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat310|[9:13]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok, we should wrap up there i think
<span id="chat311"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat311|[9:13]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so gabriel and i can get back to fixing bugs
<span id="chat312"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat312|[9:14]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ty for for your time
<span id="chat313"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat313|[9:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if you find any problems, please file them in to jira
<span id="chat314"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat314|[9:14]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ya...and I need to go shopping new clothes... :P
<span id="chat315"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat315|[9:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and we'll get on them as soon as possible
<span id="chat316"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat316|[9:14]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks for very interestin meeting :)
<span id="chat317"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat317|[9:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and if you see a repro for http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2908
<span id="chat318"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat318|[9:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|please let us know
<span id="chat319"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat319|[9:14]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nice seeing you all here
<span id="chat320"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#00CC33;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat320|[9:14]  ]]
| Miya&nbsp;Watanabe:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thank you for the meeting
<span id="chat321"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat321|[9:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hopefully i'll see you all here next week
<span id="chat322"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat322|[9:14]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks for coming
<span id="chat323"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#0099CC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat323|[9:14]  ]]
| Gabriel&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks, and cya'all around
<span id="chat324"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF99;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat324|[9:15]  ]]
| Tegg&nbsp;Bode:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks both of you for your efforts :)
<span id="chat325"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#336633;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat325|[9:15]  ]]
| Creem&nbsp;Pye:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks for your help!
<span id="chat326"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat326|[9:16]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|does Mono have metaobject in Jita?
<span id="chat327"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat327|[9:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes
<span id="chat328"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat328|[9:17]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah Babbage, Don't you mind if I put this office hour log on your wiki profile page?
<span id="chat329"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat329|[9:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1276
<span id="chat330"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat330|[9:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is the beta jira
<span id="chat331"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat331|[9:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nock, that's fine
<span id="chat332"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat332|[9:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it will save me a job :-)
<span id="chat333"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat333|[9:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i'll leave my bear here
<span id="chat334"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FF33;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat334|[9:17]  ]]
| Nock&nbsp;Forager:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
<span id="chat335"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat335|[9:17]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|to auto return in 15 minutes
<span id="chat336"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat336|[9:17]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
<span id="chat337"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat337|[9:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there you go
<span id="chat338"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat338|[9:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|should be copyable
<span id="chat339"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat339|[9:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or you can buy it for 0L$
<span id="chat340"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat340|[9:18]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|AWSOME
<span id="chat341"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF6600;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat341|[9:18]  ]]
| Christos&nbsp;Atlantis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ty :)
<span id="chat342"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#FF9900;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat342|[9:18]  ]]
| Babbage&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok, see you all next week
<span id="chat343"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#33FFCC;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [[#chat343|[9:19]  ]]
| Imaze&nbsp;Rhiano:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye
<span id="chat344"></span>
|- style="vertical-align:top;color:#66FFCC;background-color:#FCFCFC;"
| [[#chat344|[9:19]  ]]
| Keimar&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye
|}

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