Bug triage/2007-12-03/Transcript

Agenda

• [12:01] Alexa Linden: Hi Rob
• [12:01] Squirrel Wood: Hello Rob!
• [12:01] Rob Linden: howdy
• [12:01] Henri Beauchamp: Hiya...
• [12:04] Squirrel Wood: Hi Aric ^^
• [12:04] Aric Linden: g'day all
• [12:04] Alexa Linden: howdy
• [12:04] Aric Linden: sorry i'm late. trying to make software can be time consuming
• [12:05] Squirrel Wood: ^^
• [12:05] Kerry Giha: Yep, I can apreciate that :)
• [12:05] Aric Linden: are we ready to start?
• [12:05] Squirrel Wood: Appying changes to multiple multi-prim objects is very very broken on windlight
• [12:05] Soft Linden: Yay! We brought enough cubes for everyone!
• [12:06] Squirrel Wood: the cubes here prove it ^^
• [12:06] Rob Linden: will be multitasking, so you may need to ping me on IRC to get my attn
• [12:06] Aric Linden: ok
• [12:06] Squirrel Wood: I could just be very, very loud. Would that work? ^^
• [12:06] Aric Linden: thanks for the notice, Rob. how's weather up there?
• [12:06] Rob Linden: actually, yes, I will have audio on
• [12:06] Rob Linden: weather: damp
• [12:06] Aric Linden: VWR-3590 is our start point today
• [12:07] Seg Baphomet: Yay for mysterious client lockups.
• [12:07] Aric Linden: Rob, I'll voice you if we have a specific
• [12:07] Aric Linden: is everyone looking at VWR-3590?
• [12:08] Soft Linden: JIRA is very slow for me
• [12:08] Squirrel Wood: Kerry here is experiencing that specific problem
• [12:08] Soft Linden: Not up yet
• [12:08] Alexa Linden: Using NVidia drivers 169.09 BETA causes Windlight to render shiny objects as either invisible or transparen
• [12:08] Soft Linden: Yeah, that should go straight to windlight.
• [12:08] Kerry Giha: I am using an ATI X-600
• [12:08] Soft Linden: That's a shader not working on that card.
• [12:08] Alexa Linden: notes
• [12:08] Alexa Linden: noted*
• [12:09] Aric Linden: VWR-3048
• [12:09] Alexa Linden: llSetPayPrice doesn't work on ChildPrims
• [12:10] Aric Linden: we should simply take this one.
• [12:10] Alexa Linden: assign to?
• [12:10] Soft Linden: If Gigs says it's a regression, yeah.
• [12:10] Aric Linden: I suspect it broke as a result of nested perms work
• [12:10] Soft Linden: Triage probably so they can make the call on how important it is, but Blacklight handles a lot of these kinds of things
• [12:10] Aric Linden: Alexa, it can go directly to triage
• [12:10] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:11] Seg Baphomet: Is there no agenda on the wiki?
• [12:11] Soft Linden: Agenda's there. https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
• [12:11] Squirrel Wood: [1]
• [12:11] Alexa Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
• [12:11] Alexa Linden: jinx :P
• [12:11] Aric Linden: bourbon
• [12:11] Aric Linden: VWR-3171 is next
• [12:11] Soft Linden: That's a three-way jinx :)
• [12:12] Alexa Linden: Local Lighting Exposure in Windlight seems to be greatly lessened
• [12:12] Alexa Linden: I agree with this one
• [12:12] Squirrel Wood: local lights... if you place several around yourself you won't see much of an effect. Go into edit mode and select the prims... BAM. Instant light
• [12:12] Aric Linden: let's just take it and pass it to Asi please
• [12:12] Aric Linden: erm pastrami
• [12:12] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:12] Aric Linden: I know the windlight folks are already discussing this at great lenght
• [12:12] Aric Linden: length even
• [12:12] Soft Linden: Sure. That's got good repro pictures - that's very helpful
• [12:13] Aric Linden: and onto SVC-459
• [12:13] Alexa Linden: De-Link on Border Crossing
• [12:13] Aric Linden: grins at alexa
• [12:13] Alexa Linden:  :)
• [12:13] Aric Linden: heya gigs
• [12:13] Alexa Linden: Yay Gigs
• [12:14] Seg Baphomet: The Gigmeister!
• [12:14] Soft Linden: SVC-459 - delinking on crossing - is a long-standing problem. that's never really worked well, and would take a lot of work to fix.
• [12:14] Aric Linden: This one is interesting: it *will* be fixed in Havok4
• [12:14] Soft Linden: Oh yeah?
• [12:14] Aric Linden: Yes.
• [12:14] Squirrel Wood: So its a havokian issue then :)
• [12:14] Aric Linden: but not in the first release - vehicles are still relatively broken in havok
• [12:14] Alexa Linden: lol
• [12:15] Aric Linden: but the havok team has queued the issues and will be working them
• [12:15] Soft Linden: Might ping Andrew &c to see if there's an existing issue to link to?
• [12:15] Gigs Taggart: hi
• [12:15] Alexa Linden: I can do that
• [12:15] Gigs Taggart: sorry I'm late, it kept crashing
• [12:15] Gigs Taggart: can someone IM me a recap
• [12:15] Aric Linden: Sure - and I propose we update this to reflect that
• [12:15] Alexa Linden: and then cross link to it if it exists
• [12:16] Alexa Linden: we're on our 4th jira Gigs
• [12:16] Alexa Linden: SVC-459
• [12:16] Gigs Taggart: I mean resolutions on the earliers
• [12:16] Aric Linden: VWR-3093
• [12:16] Alexa Linden: will do
• [12:16] Aric Linden: we just agreed that there are NO bugs in SL
• [12:16] Gigs Taggart: hehe
• [12:16] Jill Linden: hehe
• [12:16] Gigs Taggart: 3093 doesn't need to be triages per-se, we did it last week
• [12:16] Soft Linden: I thought the feedback on VWR-3093 was no, unless it had a heck of a lot of votes.
• [12:16] Alexa Linden: Allow MU* (MUCK, MUSH, MUX, MUD) like ""poses"" (=IRC emotes) in chat and IMs
• [12:17] Gigs Taggart: it's just that no one left any feedback *on Jira*
• [12:17] Soft Linden: Like - we don't want to start implementing every other environments' command set
• [12:17] Gigs Taggart: I don't think Henri knows what happened
• [12:17] Soft Linden: Gotcha
• [12:17] Henri Beauchamp: It's a very common way to pose in other games...
• [12:17] Gigs Taggart: oh hi henri :)
• [12:17] Gigs Taggart: I guess you got the feedback now!
• [12:17] Squirrel Wood: I'd make it optional
• [12:17] Henri Beauchamp: wavies again.
• [12:18] Seg Baphomet: I came from the world of MUCKs but I can't say I've been missing this feature.
• [12:18] Thraxis Epsilon: All the MUD's I had been in used /me or /em
• [12:18] Soft Linden: It's certainly easy to spot the active MUCKers over in Furnation without this :)
• [12:18] Henri Beauchamp: uses this feature all the time. /me is just a pain to type :-P
• [12:18] Seg Baphomet: Its a visual environment what do you need to pose for? ;)
• [12:18] Henri Beauchamp: To role-play, of course .-P
• [12:18] Soft Linden: "Colon hugs!"
• [12:19] Gigs Taggart: ew
• [12:19] Seg Baphomet: SL is the 3D equivlent to MUCKs as WoW is to MUDs.
• [12:19] Aric Linden: Tmi dewd
• [12:19] Soft Linden: Should we note that we'd want more votes and move on?
• [12:19] Aric Linden: yes, i think that's fine myself
• [12:19] Alexa Linden: last triaged then?
• [12:19] Aric Linden: Henri, is that ok with you?
• [12:19] Aric Linden: and gigs?
• [12:19] Gigs Taggart: the patch as-is has technical trouble, I suggested a move to SVC
• [12:20] Gigs Taggart: this is where henri and I disagree :)
• [12:20] Henri Beauchamp: OK, I will simply ask people to vote for it ;-P... I also had two other Jira issues which got no feedback last time
• [12:20] Seg Baphomet: What, is /me handled server side?
• [12:20] Henri Beauchamp: VWR-3087 and VWR-3060
• [12:20] Gigs Taggart: Seg: yes
• [12:20] Seg Baphomet: Thats.... I dunno. Not what I expected. :)
• [12:20] Gigs Taggart: Seg: patch as written would translate : to /me on client side, POTENTIALLY (maybe) breaking scripts..
• [12:20] Soft Linden: LSL's listen() sees the /me, so I'd assume so!
• [12:21] Thraxis Epsilon: And single line smilies
• [12:21] Soft Linden: Yeah, anything using : as a command prefix or the like
• [12:21] Soft Linden: Oof, yeah
• [12:21] Thraxis Epsilon:  :) would break
• [12:21] Henri Beauchamp:  :-)
• [12:21] Soft Linden: :D
• [12:21] Henri Beauchamp: Simply use "::-)"
• [12:21] Gigs Taggart: heh
• [12:21] Seg Baphomet: I wouldn't push this server side.
• [12:21] Henri Beauchamp: It's client side
• [12:22] Aric Linden: Let's move on to VWR-3480
• [12:22] Henri Beauchamp: We must keep /me for scripts interpreting what is poted on the main chat channel
• [12:22] Alexa Linden: Version 1.5 of c-ares has additional parameter on callback
• [12:22] Henri Beauchamp: And about VWR-3087 and VWR-3060 ?... They were removed from the agenda, apparently...
• [12:22] Aric Linden: looks at Gigs
• [12:23] Gigs Taggart: uh... they didn't come up in the query?
• [12:23] Gigs Taggart: let me look
• [12:23] Aric Linden: nods
• [12:23] Aric Linden: OK. we'll get to them Henri
• [12:23] Soft Linden: I don't know if we'd want VWR-3480. We're not properly shipping the version of ares we use on all three platforms, so we should keep it set up to link properly to this version.
• [12:23] Aric Linden: np gigs
• [12:23] Henri Beauchamp:  :-)
• [12:23] Soft Linden: not=now
• [12:23] Gigs Taggart: Henri: VWR-3087 and 3060 were imported
• [12:23] Soft Linden: Meaning - linux, windows and mac all now get the version of c-ares that should be used.
• [12:24] Thraxis Epsilon: Those were sent to RX if I remember
• [12:24] Aric Linden: Soft, didn't we just update that stuff in the last few weeks?
• [12:24] Henri Beauchamp: Oh, good, thanks Gigs.... Didn't know...
• [12:24] Soft Linden: Yeah, I only just fixed the packaging to include c-ares on everything a week or so ago - 1.18.5 RC1 for Mac and Windows, RC2 I think for Linux.
• [12:24] Henri Beauchamp: c-ares is not part of all Linux distros...
• [12:25] Henri Beauchamp: But yes, the latest library packages are fine and include c-ares
• [12:25] Thraxis Epsilon: 1.5 of c-ares was just released... SL was using 1.4
• [12:25] Soft Linden: (Linux a little longer because there was a bug in some symlink processing, not because Linux is not <3)
• [12:25] Aric Linden: I agree with soft.
• [12:25] Aric Linden: I'd rather not fix something that's not brokend
• [12:26] Seg Baphomet: I'm stuck with whatever c-ares Fedora puts out.
• [12:26] Gigs Taggart: it would be good to keep this patch around for when you want to upgrade to the new c-ares
• [12:26] Thraxis Epsilon: So if you update your Linux c-ares, you can't build SL anymore due to the new option.
• [12:26] Soft Linden: At best though - this could be changed into "upgrade SL's c-ares to 1.5"
• [12:26] Henri Beauchamp: nods.
• [12:26] Soft Linden: So whoever does that upgrade has this patch around, as Gigs says.
• [12:26] Aric Linden: Makes sense.
• [12:26] Alexa Linden: how shall I mark this one Aric?
• [12:27] Aric Linden: import it and assign it to triage and we'll discuss the upgrade timing there
• [12:27] Aric Linden: please
• [12:27] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:27] Aric Linden:  :-)
• [12:27] Soft Linden: Rename to "Upgrade SL c-ares to 1.5" too, please
• [12:27] Aric Linden: VWR-3605
• [12:27] Alexa Linden: Object group display not properly set for no-group objects
• [12:28] Aric Linden: is there an echo in here? :-)
• [12:28] Soft Linden: Yuck- this looks legit!
• [12:28] Gigs Taggart: wait
• [12:28] Gigs Taggart: this is a duplicate of an issue I filed
• [12:28] Gigs Taggart: but it does have a patch
• [12:28] Gigs Taggart: searches
• [12:28] Soft Linden: The patch looks good to me
• [12:29] Aric Linden: I don't think this is windlight specific.
• [12:29] Aric Linden: I think this is in release, yeah gigs?
• [12:29] Gigs Taggart: DEV-6595
• [12:29] Gigs Taggart: VWR-2982
• [12:29] Gigs Taggart: pretty sure this is the same thing
• [12:29] Alexa Linden: are either of those imported already gigs?
• [12:30] Gigs Taggart: DEV is an internal number alexa :)
• [12:30] Alexa Linden: duh :P
• [12:30] Alexa Linden: sorry, mind not clicking
• [12:30] Thraxis Epsilon: They look the same to me
• [12:30] Gigs Taggart: anyway probably just want to tie those together
• [12:30] Aric Linden: or remarkably similar: how about we take the patch in, link the issues and assign to triage?
• [12:30] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:30] Aric Linden: Work for you gigs?
• [12:30] Gigs Taggart: yeah
• [12:31] Aric Linden: cool enuf
• [12:31] Alexa Linden: noted
• [12:31] Aric Linden: onto SVC-689
• [12:31] Alexa Linden: LSL: run_jumpif, run_jumpnif do not properly handle lists with only a single entry
• [12:32] Gigs Taggart: this has a patch in the comments... hmm
• [12:33] Gigs Taggart: I wonder if anyone is relying on the broken behavior
• [12:33] Soft Linden: Ugh - I'd triage this. Yeah, we'd have to make a call about backward compatibility
• [12:33] Squirrel Wood: Yay for viewer crashes!
• [12:34] Aric Linden: Agreed Soft - Alexa, please assign this one to me
• [12:35] Aric Linden: and now for MISC-421
• [12:35] Gigs Taggart: the misc pool today is a little more random than normal, I haven't added sorting to my web site yet :)
• [12:35] Alexa Linden: yes soft, sorry - locked up
• [12:35] Soft Linden: MISC-421 hasn't any recent comments.
• [12:35] Soft Linden: I'd needs-more-info to ask if it's still happening specific to high-value transactions, or if it's uniformly problematic
• [12:35] Gigs Taggart: MISC-421 really can't be fixed until we have a return value from llGiveMoney and llGiveInventory
• [12:35] Thraxis Epsilon: It was happening last week for any value item
• [12:36] Squirrel Wood: perhaps as a dataserver event ?
• [12:36] Aric Linden: Squirrel, maybe so - last week had a lot of disturbances in the force
• [12:36] Squirrel Wood: TRANSFER_STALE / TRANSFER_FAIL ?
• [12:36] Aric Linden: Folks, I'd like to import this and see if Hamilton cares to drive it through
• [12:36] Aric Linden: is that ok with people?
• [12:36] Gigs Taggart: k
• [12:36] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:36] Squirrel Wood: Aye
• [12:36] Soft Linden: After dataserver's gone, hopefully Q108, a delivery callback would be more feasible with chttp
• [12:37] Aric Linden: Q108 is a radio station, i think.
• [12:37] Squirrel Wood: Aww. What will we do without dataserver?
• [12:37] Thraxis Epsilon: dataserver going away? *scribbles a note*
• [12:37] Aric Linden: MISC-559 is next
• [12:37] Soft Linden: Hmm. I'd at least add a note about asking the commenters if they still see this though. Again - just 'cause it's an old issue. And correlation between L$ amount and reliability is... weird.
• [12:37] Alexa Linden: "When I log into SL, I stay connected for about 15 seconds and then my entire internet crashes."
• [12:38] Gigs Taggart: We should ask the reporter how they manage to afford running multiple connected networks in their house.
• [12:38] Gigs Taggart: :P
• [12:38] Thraxis Epsilon: Soft - I think it's more that people care more about not getting expensive items
• [12:38] Soft Linden: MISC-559 looks more like a support issue
• [12:39] Thraxis Epsilon: And not necessarily an SL support issue
• [12:39] Henri Beauchamp: Easy, Gigs; two phone lines with ADSL, or one cable and one ADSL....
• [12:39] Aric Linden: <sigh> Without steps to reproduce there's not a lot we can do here
• [12:39] Gigs Taggart: hehe
• [12:39] Squirrel Wood: Blame it on Vista
• [12:40] Aric Linden: heh. squirrel have you seen the new apple/vista blast?
• [12:40] Aric Linden: highly entertaining
• [12:40] Squirrel Wood: I know of at least one person who had vista pre-installed on her laptop and SL just won't run on it
• [12:40] Soft Linden: Can we close it and refer them to support in a comment?
• [12:40] Gigs Taggart: yes
• [12:40] Seg Baphomet: "My internets are broken, fix them!"
• [12:40] Gigs Taggart: resolve misfiled
• [12:40] Aric Linden: Has she updated drivers, Squirrel?
• [12:40] Alexa Linden: I can Soft
• [12:40] Thraxis Epsilon: SL has been running on my Vista desktop for several months
• [12:41] Henri Beauchamp: Has she tried Linux ?... ;-P
• [12:41] Aric Linden: She may also want to go with Windlight Firstlook
• [12:41] Thraxis Epsilon: So it's not an issue with vista or SL
• [12:41] Aric Linden: we KNOW it runs better on some PC's
• [12:41] Henri Beauchamp: Vista runs better when the PC is of....
• [12:41] Henri Beauchamp: + off
• [12:41] Aric Linden: laughs
• [12:42] Seg Baphomet: Use Linux, problem solved?
• [12:42] Aric Linden: MISC-661 is next
• [12:42] Alexa Linden: Give avatars a REASON why their avatar has been flagged by the Second Life Risk API
• [12:42] anel de: voo: All Go
• [12:42] Gigs Taggart: MISC-661 is a major pain point
• [12:42] Alexa Linden: this has been around for a while
• [12:42] Gigs Taggart: the SLX forums are full of posts from people asking why they have been rejected by Risk API
• [12:42] Gigs Taggart: it's creating a huge support burden for third party exchanges
• [12:43] Aric Linden: grimaces
• [12:43] Soft Linden: This is a tough call though. If you disclose all the details, you pretty much give fraudsters a lot of diagnostic information.
• [12:43] Henri Beauchamp: Blame it on Vista ?...
• [12:43] Aric Linden: Let's take this and assign it to me. I'll talk to the studio lux folks about it
• [12:43] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:43] Gigs Taggart: it wouldn't be as big a problem if there weren't so many false positives
• [12:43] Seg Baphomet: Blacklisting people and not telling them why is what faschist governments do.
• [12:43] Gigs Taggart: heh
• [12:43] Aric Linden: glances at Seg.
• [12:43] Jill Linden: Right. It is a tough issue to balance giving information yet not enabling reverse engineering
• [12:44] Soft Linden: I'm clueless about the false positives as a percentage. I'm pretty sure we're not being fascists at the expense of revenue, though. :)
• [12:44] Alexa Linden: /nods
• [12:44] Gigs Taggart: even 1-2% false positivie is a lot in this case
• [12:44] Soft Linden: Yeah. I know they're sensitive to "insult" as those false positives are called. Aric will hammer it out with Lux :/
• [12:45] Aric Linden: MISC-664 is next
• [12:45] Seg Baphomet: False positives are simply not acceptable.
• [12:45] Alexa Linden: Massive packet loss in last few days
• [12:45] Aric Linden: Seg: sometimes the false postives are a function of the downstream provider and have nothing whatsoever to do with us
• [12:45] Soft Linden: This one's also not had comments in about a month
• [12:45] Aric Linden: This stuff is not trivial to work out
• [12:45] Henri Beauchamp: May be due to some routing problems on Internet... hard to tell....
• [12:46] Aric Linden: yeah, i agree on this. I suggest we simply as if it's still an isssue
• [12:46] Seg Baphomet: That's just passing the buck.
• [12:46] Gigs Taggart: routing problems come and go
• [12:46] Soft Linden: If this were imported, I'd suggest prepending the reporting month to the issue title though, so they get the right kind of data from this.
• [12:46] Alexa Linden: ok - I will post that question
• [12:46] Gigs Taggart: unless you are still taking about the riskapi :)
• [12:47] Gigs Taggart: alexa I'd resolve it too so we don't get it in triage before someone replies
• [12:47] Gigs Taggart: needs info
• [12:47] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:47] Alexa Linden: res/nmi
• [12:47] Squirrel Wood: 664.... that user has the same ISP as I do
• [12:47] Aric Linden: nah - I'm ready to move on MISC-672
• [12:47] Alexa Linden: communication tutorial problem
• [12:47] Squirrel Wood: no issues with that ISP as of late
• [12:48] Gigs Taggart: ew, I hate issue slike 672... orientation problems I have a gut feeling get underrepresented in Jira
• [12:48] Aric Linden: I can't tell if it's a linux bug or an OI bug
• [12:48] Seg Baphomet: I hated the new tutorial. You can't seem to bypass it.
• [12:49] Seg Baphomet: It seems like an anti-griefer measure.
• [12:49] Gigs Taggart: heh, no
• [12:49] Gigs Taggart: there's a sign to bypass it all
• [12:49] Gigs Taggart: but a lot of users don't see it
• [12:49] Aric Linden: Let's take this an assign it to me for repro
• [12:49] Ego Essex: I never saw it.
• [12:49] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:49] Seg Baphomet: I sure as hell didn't see it.
• [12:50] Ego Essex: I don'tthink there should be on ethough....maybe all the noobs see it but not the people that are getting alts or something..... That's why people always say "How do I walk forward?"
• [12:50] Seg Baphomet: Took me like an hour total to register a new account and get off the damn tutorial island when I created my alt.
• [12:50] Ego Essex: having trouble finding the torch did we?
• [12:50] Aric Linden: MISC-737
• [12:50] Gigs Taggart: MISC-737 I think needs an alexa ping and a resolve nmi... it's a support issue :)
• [12:50] Seg Baphomet: So I missed the OS meeing. :P
• [12:50] Aric Linden: Agree with Gigs
• [12:50] Gigs Taggart: Note that I have helped a user with an application level firewall
• [12:50] Gigs Taggart: that had this problem
• [12:50] Alexa Linden: will do :)
• [12:50] Gigs Taggart: so ask them about application firewalls
• [12:51] Aric Linden: MISC-744
• [12:51] Alexa Linden: SL movement restricted to turning around in circles
• [12:51] Gigs Taggart: hehe
• [12:51] Aric Linden: that's no bug, that's a feature
• [12:51] Seg Baphomet: I want Nicholaz's redmap patch.
• [12:52] Soft Linden: I think they resolved MISC-744 pretty well in the comments - dropping connection, support issue
• [12:52] Seg Baphomet: I checked his source. He has it mixed up in a patch with a ton of other stuff.
• [12:52] Gigs Taggart: user reopened it
• [12:52] Squirrel Wood: I'd check the packet loss
• [12:52] Seg Baphomet: I tried to dig it out but I don't think I did it right.
• [12:52] Squirrel Wood: massive packet loss causes such symptoms...
• [12:52] Aric Linden: a couple things to check for here: driver versions and which country they're in
• [12:53] Aric Linden: it looks like they've done a driver scramble and fixed it
• [12:53] Aric Linden: at least that's how it seems to have landed
• [12:53] Seg Baphomet: Near as I can tell Nicholaz has never submitted it.
• [12:54] Aric Linden: I need to remember to update the FAQ for international driver support
• [12:55] Aric Linden: can we resolve this as fixed?
• [12:55] Alexa Linden: ok
• [12:55] Gigs Taggart: if you resolve it as as fixed and the user is still experiencing it, they are not going to understand
• [12:56] Aric Linden: It appears to me that this issue has more than one component
• [12:56] Gigs Taggart: the person who did the driver thing was a different user
• [12:56] Thraxis Epsilon: Well the two people who were experiancing it said they solved the problem in the thread
• [12:56] Gigs Taggart: oh
• [12:56] Gigs Taggart: I see
• [12:56] Gigs Taggart: yes
• [12:56] Thraxis Epsilon: one for video driver and one for network
• [12:56] Aric Linden: the driver issue, the lag issue and possibly an issue with intl drivers
• [12:56] Gigs Taggart: big confusing issue
• [12:56] Aric Linden: it looks as though they've resolved at least the driver issue already
• [12:56] Gigs Taggart: yeah resolve fixed :)
• [12:56] Aric Linden: Thanks!
• [12:56] Aric Linden: MISC-746 is next
• [12:57] Squirrel Wood: client crashes... this sounds awfully familiar...
• [12:57] Alexa Linden: mark the same as the other 2 from before?
• [12:57] Gigs Taggart: not enough info here
• [12:57] Soft Linden: Intel graphics card
• [12:57] Aric Linden: Not enough info, but I'd suggest that this user try the windlight branch
• [12:57] Soft Linden: Is 965 better off than the 945/955?
• [12:57] Gigs Taggart: the 2mintues->crash isn't an intel specific issue :(
• [12:58] Aric Linden: that one has intel support in it already
• [12:58] Gigs Taggart: but I don't think this filing adds anymore info to it
• [12:58] Aric Linden: Soft, we haven't tested the 965 but we have tested the 955 and it's working
• [12:59] Aric Linden: So, alexa, mark closed, needs info but suggest they try windlight first look
• [12:59] Alexa Linden: will do
• [12:59] Aric Linden: Last one, i think MISC-748
• [12:59] Gigs Taggart: MISC-748 is not a bug
• [12:59] Gigs Taggart: they want some group objects to be... undeeded
• [13:00] Squirrel Wood: Now, the group comes up as (???) on the "ABOUT LAND" tab of the edit pie-wheel for the parcel,
• [13:00] Gigs Taggart: I think they can get the original owner to "take" them to accomplish that.. not sure
• [13:00] Squirrel Wood: that seems to be the problem there
• [13:00] Thraxis Epsilon: Can we go down the list to bring up one item. I just saw it there near the bottom and it is an issue
• [13:00] Aric Linden: I think they need to talk to support on this.
• [13:00] Alexa Linden: ok
• [13:00] Soft Linden: If you return a group-owned object on the parcel menu, it also goes to the original owner.
• [13:00] Aric Linden: Support is equipped to help them here
• [13:00] Alexa Linden: mark as not a bug too?
• [13:01] Aric Linden: Alexa, yes please
• [13:01] Gigs Taggart: we don't have that resolution :(
• [13:01] Alexa Linden: ok
• [13:01] Gigs Taggart: pokes rob
• [13:01] Aric Linden: Thraxis: what did you want to look at?
• [13:01] Thraxis Epsilon: SVC-602
• [13:01] Henri Beauchamp: Could we jump real quick to SVC-581 ? It's quite interesting, I think...
• [13:01] Aric Linden: ok. we'll take those last two
• [13:01] Gigs Taggart: yeah those both looks worth
• [13:02] Gigs Taggart: worthy
• [13:02] Aric Linden: let's look at 602 first please
• [13:02] Squirrel Wood: 581 I have seen happening to a friend of mine just yesterday
• [13:02] Gigs Taggart: looks like maybe a packet running out of space? :)
• [13:02] Gigs Taggart: just a guess on 602
• [13:03] Thraxis Epsilon: I have tested 602 and it does pretty much what is said
• [13:03] Rob Linden: needs to head out
• [13:03] Alexa Linden: bye rob
• [13:03] Soft Linden: Ditto
• [13:03] Aric Linden: bye rob
• [13:03] Aric Linden: bye soft
• [13:03] Rob Linden: bye all
• [13:03] Soft Linden: Thanks for comin' all!
• [13:03] Aric Linden: thanks to you both for dancing
• [13:03] Thraxis Epsilon: If you're in the same sim the IM's deliver and if you go to another sim... they don't or you get one maybe
• [13:03] Aric Linden: let's import this one and assign it to me.
• [13:04] Alexa Linden: 602 to you
• [13:04] Alexa Linden: got it
• [13:04] Gigs Taggart: 581 looks like permission bit slamming
• [13:04] Henri Beauchamp: Inventory permissions are very broken... and misleading. Creating a mod-ok object, with a no-mod script inside, taking it and flagging it mod-ok in your inventory, will allow the next owner to see it as mod-ok in their own inventory (and to rename it, for example). But as soon as they drop the object in-world and take it back, it becomes no-mod, which makes no sense, as the object itself is still mod-ok (only the script inside it is no-mod), and it should be possible to rename it from the inventory (like any mod-ok object)...
• [13:05] Gigs Taggart: can be caused by textures or scripts that aren't full perm
• [13:05] Aric Linden: Folks, we
• [13:05] Squirrel Wood: 581... only way to "solve" it was to get a replacement from the creator of the objectr
• [13:05] Aric Linden: are working on a big big big permissions update
• [13:05] Henri Beauchamp: Good news....
• [13:05] Aric Linden: probably one more round in QA
• [13:05] Henri Beauchamp: If it doesn't break anything, that is... ;-P
• [13:05] Aric Linden: Alexa, let's take this and assign it to me and i'll have it regressed with the next permissions test build
• [13:06] Alexa Linden: ok
• [13:06] Aric Linden: Henri, it's a really complicated subsystem. we're doing the best we can.
• [13:06] Seg Baphomet: I constantly have problems sharing with people because scripts inside objects are no-copy no-mod.
• [13:06] Aric Linden: Yes, we're fixing that Seg.
• [13:06] Alexa Linden: and with that, I need to take off too
• [13:06] Seg Baphomet: I have to go set them full perms to be able to give it to someone.