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This meeting was held on January 6th, 2011
 
= Agenda =
* Happy New Years!
* Anyone do anything fun?
 
== Updates ==
* Main Channel
** Compression project
** http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/release/blog/2011/01/03/deploys-for-the-week-of-2011-01-03
* Magnum
** Same as main channel
** Has compression enabled.
** Things are looking good.
*** Graphs & Details
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/Magnum
* LeTigre
** "Simulator Shutdown" project
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/LeTigre
* Blue Steel
** "Prim Encroachment" project
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Parcel_encroachment
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/BlueSteel
 
== Upcoming Stuff ==
* Updating the centrals.
** On ADITI now, will be over the weekend.
** Will be updated next week on AGNI
* Havok 2k10
** How's it looking?
** Where's the bugs?
 
== Any Other Items ==
* Status of {{jira|SVC-5959}} Notices not showing sender in email
 
= Transcript =
Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for January 6th, 2011:
* [15:00] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Welcome everybody!
* [15:01] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  lo
* [15:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Happy New Year!
* [15:01] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  ZOMG Oskar is upside down!oh.. wait.. wut >.>
* [15:01] [[User:dantia Gothly|dantia Gothly]]:  hays
* [15:01] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  Happy new year Oskar
* [15:01] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  Happy new year!
* [15:01] [[User:dantia Gothly|dantia Gothly]]:  \o/
* [15:01] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  I lol'd
* [15:02] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  we all had xD
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok here we go https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  agenda time
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  two kay eleven is finally here
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'm excited for this year
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we even have a new CEO which is exciting
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but we're not getting into that
* [15:03] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  what happened to the last one?
* [15:03] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  For how long are you going to keep him? :-p
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  who did something fun over the break?
* [15:04] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  was he asking too much money ;)
* [15:04] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  I broke display names >.<
* [15:04] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  hi and happy new year everybody:)
* [15:04] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Yeah, we did, lol
* [15:04] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  System overload, go
* [15:04] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  can it be more broken Jessica? ;)
* [15:04] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  lol
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I took a nice long break
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I was offline for most of it
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it was nice
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I needed that
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but it's good to be back
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I missed you guys
* [15:05] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  aww
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and girls
* [15:05] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  we missed you too oskar
* [15:05] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  The grid was somewhat empty without you, Oskar.
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  aww
* [15:05] [[User:Latif KhalifaLatif|Latif KhalifaLatif]]:  Khalifa is sure Oskar missed him a lot :P
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  especially ADITI which died
* [15:05] [[User:Faust Vollmar|Faust Vollmar]]:  Well hey I didn't log in naked this time. Atleast from my viewer. =p
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the util host needed a swift kick in the pants
* [15:05] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Apparently if twice as many people start using DNs, the servers fold in half like a soggy pizzabox
* [15:05] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  :P
* [15:05] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Or something like that
* [15:05] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  I logged in naked but it wa intentional
* [15:05] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  >.<
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well let's get this thing started
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I got a text at 11pm monday night from Lil
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  he was like so you know there's a release at 6am tomorrow morning right?
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  have fun man
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  *sigh*
* [15:06] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  lol
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so after half a month break I get dropped into a 6am release
* [15:06] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  so who's the new CEO, steve ballmer?
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it seemed to go well though
* [15:06] [[User: (dantia.gothly)| (dantia.gothly)]]:  is now known as ob up.
* [15:07] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  :)
* [15:07] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  minus the voice issue
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you can read about the CEO in the press releases at lindenlab.com
* [15:07] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  k
* [15:07] [[User:Homeless: impressive|Homeless: impressive]]:  resume
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the voice issue is fallout from our new release process
* [15:07] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  [http://lindenlab.com/pressroom/releases/12_23_10] [http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/12/23/linden-labs-new-ceo]
* [15:07] [[User:Homeless: should|Homeless: should]]:  be interesting
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  occasionally we have to hotfix the config files on the fly
* [15:07] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  How much actual work is a release? Is there a big red "rolling restart" button or is it more complicated
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but then when we go to do a new release it comes from an older repository and we usually forget that the config file has changed since then
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we're getting better though
* [15:08] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Rolling_restart]
* [15:08] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  (draconis.neurocam) is now known as draconis.neurocam.
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  wasn't much of a downtime
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  call it a moment of silence for the new year
* [15:08] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  lol
* [15:08] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  .lol xD
* [15:09] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  Rod Linden
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so the main channel has the compression project live, but disabled
* [15:09] [[User:Faust Vollmar|Faust Vollmar]]:  Game developer huh. Suddenly I got a lot more hopeful... =p
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the compression project is exciting
* [15:09] [[User:Jessica LyonJessica|Jessica LyonJessica]]:  Lyon was impressed with the region crossings
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  helps with TP's and region crossings
* [15:09] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  pretty soon we might end with gems above our heads. as somebody else said:)
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I have some cool graphs for you guys
* [15:10] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  I noticed it on my way here
* [15:10] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  \o/ graphs
* [15:10] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Yay visuals
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I was very curious how much data gets sent per tp/region crossing
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Xan Linden made some nice graphs
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  he really is good at that
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar LindenOskar|Oskar LindenOskar]]:  Linden hunts in his inv
* [15:11] [[User:Homeless: loading...|Homeless: loading...]]:
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok the first graph shows average avatar filesize
[[File:Attachment_distribution_2010_10_20.png|600px]]
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  as well as average attachments
* [15:11] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  and it all good news?
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so on average most avatars are under 5mb in size
* [15:12] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  How are some avatars having less than 0MB of scirpts? (top graph)
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that is a lot to send every region crossing
* [15:12] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  yuh o.0
* [15:12] [[User:Mericatherine Quinnell|Mericatherine Quinnell]]:  I've met some of those 20K buggers
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Tigg's new compression work projected 90% compression on average
* [15:12] [[User:Faust Vollmar|Faust Vollmar]]:  Whoa
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  which os great
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so this morning we switched it on for Magnum regions
* [15:12] [[User:ac14 Hutson|ac14 Hutson]]:  i think its just average size of the user data, not scripts.
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and the difference was immediately noticeable
* [15:13] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  so crossing region creates lag?
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the tp failure rate dropped
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  let me get graph #2
* [15:13] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  nice
* [15:13] [[User:Latif KhalifaLatif|Latif KhalifaLatif]]:  Khalifa hates teleport timeouts with a passion
* [15:13] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  ^
* [15:13] [[User:Rickk TurboRickk|Rickk TurboRickk]]:  Turbo hates getting bumped off SL cos the server timed out
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that's a before and after we flippe dthe switch
[[File:Teleport_failure_pct_compression_magnum_outbound_2011_01_06.png|600px]]
* [15:14] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Niiiiiiiiiiice :3
* [15:14] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Impressive
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  avg tp failures on magnum regions dropped in half
* [15:14] [[User:Mericatherine Quinnell|Mericatherine Quinnell]]:  very good
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  pretty impressive
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  unless we find some huge glitch over the weekend we'll update all of AGNI
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  where'd my graph go?
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  maestro?
* [15:14] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  I didn't do it!
* [15:14] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  o_O !!
* [15:15] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  deleted?
* [15:15] [[User:Homeless: die|Homeless: die]]:  script?
* [15:15] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  was it.. temp? lol
* [15:15] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  maybe you rezzed it over that parcel with autoreturn on..
* [15:15] [[User:Faust Vollmar|Faust Vollmar]]:  Best way to find a glitch: Have all of us Teleport and regioncross like crazy ahain. >=D
* [15:15] [[User:Faust Vollmar|Faust Vollmar]]:  again*
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but the other didn't get returned
* [15:15] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  .•:**:•. HaHaHa  .•:**:•.
* [15:15] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  erm
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hah
* [15:15] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  did it?
* [15:15] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  it's a sandbox region
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  guess so X-D
* [15:15] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  yep, Rickk knows :)
* [15:15] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  you dont get it sent back
* [15:15] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  if someone was selecting it, it won't get returned until they let go
* [15:15] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  lol yeh
* [15:16] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  i know
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar LindenOskar|Oskar Linden]]:  Oskar Linden is a nooooob
* [15:16] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  theres a 1 minute return timer on the parcel
* [15:16] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  lol, Oskar found the autoreturn to nowhere fail bug
* [15:16] [[User:Rickk TurboRickk|Rickk TurboRickk]]:  Turbo blames the master mole
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok there we go
* [15:16] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]:  :)
* [15:16] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  ok, set that to 10min
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  in the maintennance group now
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  last graph
* [15:17] [[User:StUdLeY Dexing|StUdLeY Dexing]]:  wow
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  average region crossing times
[[File:Region_crossing_compression_all_agni_2011_01_10.jpg|600px]]
* [15:18] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  thats pretty nice
* [15:18] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  thats great times
* [15:18] [[User:Faust VollmarFaust|Faust VollmarFaust]]:  Vollmar jawdrop
* [15:18] [[User:StUdLeY Dexing|StUdLeY Dexing]]:  well faster
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so there you go
* [15:18] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  from 11:00 on :O
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  quantitative proof we are making SL better :-p
* [15:19] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  it was bad if not xD
* [15:19] [[User:Sigma AvroSigma|Sigma AvroSigma]]:  Avro applauses
* [15:19] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  it's about time! lol
* [15:19] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Wow, 1.5 second average down to like 0.6ish :O
* [15:19] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  but ya.. impressive
* [15:19] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  When this goes live on the whole grid you should publish these graphs on the blog
* [15:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  so this will be flippen on the whole agne the next week?
* [15:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  agni*
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes
* [15:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  great!
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  barring any massive bugs that get shook out over the weekend
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  let me know what you find
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we've also got a plan in place to go over our inter colo bandwidth usage info and see if we can improve that
* [15:20] [[User:Faust Vollmar|Faust Vollmar]]:  I don't think many people doubted the server engineers. =p Just marketing (and for some people, the viewer 2 team.)
* [15:20] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  very nice
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we did put new code out on LeTigre and Magnum as well
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  i mean BlueSteel
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  also apparently Lil renamed all the LeTigre regions to BlueSteel in my absence
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that's what I get for going on vacation
* [15:21] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  I noticed that too, lol
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Lil needs a vacation
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  he works hard
* [15:22] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  *nods*
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I don't have a lot of details on the Sim Shutdown project
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  other than "Addresses back-end issues to make simulator/region restarts faster and more reliable. "
* [15:22] [[User:Homeless: just|Homeless: just]]:  so all the ground textures don't starrt looking like the sandboxes
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Not a significant amount of code changes
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but will help out during rolling restarts for sure
* [15:23] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  basically, the changes make simulators on a host take turns when they shut down and save their simstate, rather than all saving simstate simultaneously
* [15:24] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  makes sense
* [15:24] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  (the traditional simultaneous behavior sometimes made shutdowns really slow in certain cases, especially for openspace/homestead regions)
* [15:24] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  i can imagine
* [15:24] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  simstate is just an asset, right?
* [15:24] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  stored there i mean
* [15:24] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  Oskar, we asked if there could asbe a 2nd set of "just restarts" to clean up the shutdown bug, any traction on that?
* [15:24] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  be*
* [15:25] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  yeah, but simstates are a lot bigger than other types of assets :)
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you mean per rolling restart gooden?
* [15:25] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  :)
* [15:25] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  yes, it seems that restarting clean after a rolling restart fixes the shutdown problem
* [15:26] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  anyone here see a problem with that idea?
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there hasn't been traction on that. perhaps this code will remove that need
* [15:26] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  damn
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it'd be better to fix the root issue than to add another restart
* [15:26] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  it seems like the easiest solution
* [15:27] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  add a restart 2 hours later
* [15:27] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  and just restart, not add code
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so basically adding a shutdown with the new code
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I see what you mean
* [15:27] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  mmhmm
* [15:28] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  until it's fixed
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it makes sense from that pov
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll mention it in the release huddle tomorrow
* [15:28] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  thanks, i'n sure sims that get a lot of traffic will be happier
* [15:28] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  it would be even better if u could comb the code and remove any dangling pointers
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so BlueSteel has a fun new project
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  "Prim Encroachment"
* [15:29] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  comb the code xDDD
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I have not messed with it at all
* [15:29] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  if that was this easy xD
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  has anyone else?
* [15:29] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  wanders wath will happens t trees !
* [15:29] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  we can't see your server code:)
* [15:30] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Will prim encroachment be enabled on mainland?
* [15:30] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  Do any estate managers know to turn it on?
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'm not sure about that
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the details are here: [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Parcel_encroachment]
* [15:30] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  It doesn't say
* [15:30] [[User:Gearsawe Stonecutter|Gearsawe Stonecutter]]:  first I heard about it.
* [15:30] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  need of sim console in any case
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  people on BlueSteel regions can enable it
* [15:30] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  I don't know it either but a few thousands of code lines would be reallistic...
* [15:31] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  i played with turning it on, then lost my lunch dealing with the viewer, tho i do believe it's a good idea
* [15:31] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  LOL
* [15:31] [[User:Homeless: how|Homeless: how]]:  do you turn it on?
* [15:31] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  How does it handle sculpts -- well?
* [15:31] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  i bought a nerw windows box (mac useer) just to use sim console
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I think I found your lunch gooden
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  over here in the bushes
* [15:31] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  the wiki page Oskar just linked to details that, homeless
* [15:31] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  on your shoes?
* [15:31] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Jess, it uses the physical bounds
* [15:32] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  will plays with flexies to go on neighbours lands, lol
* [15:32] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  bounding box?
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so that's what we did this week.
* [15:32] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  "The returnability logic relies on the object's physical shape which can differ from its visible shape. There may be cases where an object appears to overlap but is not returnable, or visa versa. "
* [15:32] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  a windows 7 PC jessica
* [15:32] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  IC
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we will be updating our central systems next week
* [15:33] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  actually, it's a bit tighter than the bounding box, Jessica. The server side check uses Havok to see if an object is encroaching.
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we used to update them every release
* [15:33] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  I don't think that deals with sculpty overlapping if the physical boundry of the sculpt is within the parcel.
* [15:33] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  so this will enable 64m prims :)
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but they have not been updated since we switched to the KCP
* [15:33] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  well that's better than using bounding box lol.
* [15:33] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  yup!
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so we will clean house on AGNI next week
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the centrals are basically all of the non simhost boxes
* [15:34] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  oskar Good!
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the utils hosts and web hosts and such
* [15:34] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  I would suggest a period of info about encrachment
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  they manage all the inbetween stuff
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  this is your period sigma ;-)
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  spread the word
* [15:34] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  tks Oskar
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and the link
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we upgraded the centrals on ADITI this afternoon
* [15:35] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Will that give us the option not to see display names on the dashboard friends list? (I know, unlikely, but I can still ask)
* [15:35] [[User:Gearsawe Stonecutter|Gearsawe Stonecutter]]:  now will it work if the prim goes over a sim boarder?
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so if you see any untowards behaviour on ADITI over the weekend let me know
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  not sure about sim borders
* [15:35] [[User:Mericatherine Quinnell|Mericatherine Quinnell]]:  when is 64m coming?
* [15:35] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  don't switch it off when you leave for the weekend
* [15:35] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  not yet Gearsawe, but that's planned for a future iteration of encroachment
* [15:35] [[User:Gearsawe Stonecutter|Gearsawe Stonecutter]]:  k
* [15:35] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  Good one Ann =)
* [15:36] [[User:Xan Linden|Xan Linden]]:  nice graphs :)
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  64m comes with mesh
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hey Xan!!
* [15:36] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  when comes mesh?
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  everybody thank Xan for such ossm informative graphs
* [15:36] [[User:Xan Linden|Xan Linden]]:  heya, just stopping by :)
* [15:36] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  thx Xan =)
* [15:36] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  OSSM Graphs!
* [15:36] [[User:Homeless: thankx|Homeless: thankx]]:  Xan
* [15:36] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  hey Xan
* [15:36] [[User:Mericatherine Quinnell|Mericatherine Quinnell]]:  when comes 40 groups?
* [15:36] [[User:Xan Linden|Xan Linden]]:  can't wait for cmopression to go to the full grid
* [15:36] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  Thanks Xan.
* [15:36] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  will it impact out of islands borders prims ?
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  group size changes are coming soon. this month later I think. not certain
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so much good stuff right around the corner
* [15:37] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  and meshes?
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  mesh in a few months or so I'm guessing
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  with havok improvements
* [15:37] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  .•:**:•. HaHaHa  .•:**:•.
* [15:37] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  xD
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  group changes
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  group chat fixes *PLEASE*
* [15:38] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  XMPP?
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you'll know more specifics on dates as soon as I do
* [15:38] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  XMMP
* [15:38] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  they were all fixed by dec 31, all the chat problems you see are figment of your imaginatio ;)
* [15:38] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  kay :)
* [15:38] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  i saw they just put up a repository for the xmpp group chat stuff recently
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:38] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  Where is the repo for group chat?
* [15:38] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  was looking at that ^
* [15:38] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  Where can I read on the efforts of XMPP?
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  google?
* [15:38] [[User:Amethyst Rosencrans|Amethyst Rosencrans]]:  is there any news on the display name issues? (LSL function and ???)?
* [15:39] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  [http://hg.secondlife.com/viewer-xmpp]
* [15:39] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  You cant compile it atm, missing a lib
* [15:39] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  Thanks, I wasn't aware that had gone to that extent.
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and missing a key server side component
* [15:39] [[User:Ash QinAsh|Ash QinAsh]]:  Qin bookmarks to compile later.
* [15:40] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  Yes...
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but when it comes to ADITI you'll be one step ahead
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  still not sure how we're going to do good load testing of that off from agni
* [15:40] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  Was about to say that
* [15:40] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  hmm, i bet there is no docummentation on xmpp group chat
* [15:40] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Amethyst: I know that the DN team is aware of the issues where all names resolve to ??? at times. I don't have any more specifics though..
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we'll probably do it shark feeding style
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  toss some chum in the water
* [15:41] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  Well, the source is there, so I'll figure out if it's some conferencing transport or federation etc.
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  bring in the masses then flip it on on agni
* [15:41] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  what about the LSL periodically returning ""
* [15:41] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  ugh
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the LSL?
* [15:41] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  llGetDisplayName()
* [15:41] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: 
* [15:42] [[User:Xan LindenXan|Xan LindenXan]]:  Linden is helping the group chat team use data on current use and group size to set up xmpp/chat design & load requirements
* [15:42] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  I *think* the LSL case might have the same underlying problem
* [15:42] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  It is probably a symptom of the same issue... the DN query server isn't returning valid results.
* [15:42] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  llGetDisplayName returns "" for me when an agent is no longer a agent of any kind on the region. The problem I have is the random returning of ???
* [15:42] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  There seem to be two issues to me
* [15:42] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  llGetDisplayName() returns "" ever few minutes regularly
* [15:43] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  ..even when the target avatar is in the same region, right Serenity?
* [15:43] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  and other times llGetDisplayName() returns "???" and it does not go away
* [15:43] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  yes
* [15:43] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  in the same region
* [15:43] [[User:ac14 Hutson|ac14 Hutson]]:  \i have used llGetDisplayName since they released it on a hud radar, but i have never seen it return ???
* [15:43] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  LL should use XMPP for p2p IMs and friends list too so we can use any XMPP client to do chat on SL with out needing a viewer :3
* [15:44] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  What
* [15:44] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  Just enable federation and let over XMPP messages to SL, you don't need to do random client support
* [15:44] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  llGetDisplayName() will sometimes return "???" for a long time. Yes, even if the target is right in front of you
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  who all got that mail I sent out before Christmas about the new Havok changes?
* [15:44] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  That only segregates intergration with the rest of the web when you do that.
* [15:44] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  Havok changes? o.0
* [15:45] [[User:Faust VollmarFaust|Faust VollmarFaust]]:  Vollmar never got it
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  *facepalms*
* [15:45] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  havoc 2k10
* [15:45] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  I am not apparently subscribed to your newsletter.
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  jessica are you not on the server-beta email list?
* [15:45] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  SVC-6290 is the llGetDisplayName() bug. It's marked "fix pending" but I don't have details about the fix's ETA
* [15:45] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6290|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6290]]:
* [#SVC-6290] [[User:llGetDisplayName periodically|llGetDisplayName periodically]]:  returns a Null String
* [15:45] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  apparently not
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  doh
* [15:45] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  lol
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  everyone go sign up here: https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/server-beta
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that list is where it is at
* [15:46] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/server-beta/2010-December/000185.html
* [15:46] [[User:Ash QinAsh|Ash QinAsh]]:  Qin subscribes.
* [15:46] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  The mail with all the things NOT to do :-)
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  before the holidays I sent out a detailed email about the new Havok 2k10 changes
* [15:46] [[User:Serenity Rosencrans|Serenity Rosencrans]]:  Maestro: ok... I have updates to my scripts waiting on that fix.... so I was wondering when the fix might roll to aditi or agni
* [15:46] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Yup
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/server-beta/2010-December/000185.html
* [15:46] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  notice all "please don't crash the server" lines ;)
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the hope was for people to take physical objects out to certain mesh testing sandboxes to see if things broke
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  no one filed any bugs
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so that means 1 of 3 things
* [15:47] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  I can guess the reason >.>
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1. no one did anything.
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  2. no one got the mail
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  3. falcon coded the most perfect system evar
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  falcon is quite cocky right now
* [15:47] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  4) All of the above?
* [15:47] [[User:Faust VollmarFaust|Faust VollmarFaust]]:  Vollmar bets on 2
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  his ego did not need the boost
* [15:48] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  The mail was there alright.
* [15:48] [[User:Lex MarsLex|Lex MarsLex]]:  Mars grins.
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there's gotta be a bug in there somewhere
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or maybe everything is working as expected
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that would be ossm
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but bugless reelases worry the hell out of me
* [15:48] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  Gotta admit, falcon was on a roll for a while there
* [15:48] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  well 2.5) :))
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Falcon called and chatted with me for like an hour last night
* [15:49] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  so no reports of "the system lags when i rez 4096 physical objects"?
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  laid his grand plan on me
* [15:49] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  how's he doing/
* [15:49] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  ?
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  his 3 year plan for SL
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  he is a driven man
* [15:50] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  he his difficult to join
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but that is a conversation for another time
* [15:50] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  yes
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  preferably over drinks
* [15:50] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  another thing...
* [15:50] [[User:ac14 Hutson|ac14 Hutson]]:  hope it has some kind of boucny dampened link thing
* [15:50] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  and yes please
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  at goodens beach house
* [15:50] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  surre
* [15:50] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  it'll be fixed in 2 weeks
* [15:50] [[User:Latif KhalifaLatif|Latif KhalifaLatif]]:  Khalifa murmors something about falcon and the need for adult supervision
* [15:51] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  is it possible to you to release viewers for linux as *.deb packages?
* [15:51] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ?
* [15:51] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  that would be very helpful
* [15:51] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  falcon does need adult supervision
* [15:51] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I guess that would be me?
* [15:51] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or Don
* [15:51] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  I wrote a script a while back that automatically extracted the second lfie viewer and packaged it
* [15:52] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  for linux?
* [15:52] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  It was built for ubuntu hardy
* [15:52] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there you go :-)
* [15:52] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  But I have a feeling it would work fine for any other debianized linux
* [15:52] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  Autobuild has just been made public, so maybe that will be an easier change
* [15:52] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  somone who understand what SL is that can explain to him that stuff like changing prim counts of an object depending on its size is a very bad idea, despite the technical reasons one might cite for such a policy
* [15:52] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  DEBs have the big advantages that they ruun on all debian based linuxes...
* [15:53] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  rpms run on all the mainstream distros except gentoo out of the box
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so take a look at the Havok stuff if you don't mind
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  send that mail around
* [15:53] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  rpms are good, too...
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  get some people out there and find some bugs
* [15:53] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  This is due to the LSB compliance. So, honestly, RPM packaging would probably better for maximum compatability in my opinion.
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  put Falcon in his place
* [15:53] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  but older technique
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  maestro. what's in the pipeline for upcoming projects?
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that we can talk about
* [15:54] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  rpm would be okay
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  talk to the vwr guys about linux packaging
* [15:54] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  ya
* [15:54] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  Speak to Oz
* [15:54] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  ok, so right now we have a bugfix server on aditi
* [15:55] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  ?
* [15:55] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  fixing some interest list bugs that make certain objects disappear prematurely
* [15:55] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  the bugs addressed are SVC-6542 and SVC-6552
* [15:55] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6552|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6552]]:
* [#SVC-6552] [[User:Objects that|Objects that]]:  generate particles no longer display particles above 20m high
* [15:55] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6542|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6542]]:
* [#SVC-6542] [[User:Objects derendering|Objects derendering]]:  at close ranges since deployment of Second Life Server 10.11.09.214391
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  right right the fireworks bug
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so fireworks should work right on ahern now
* [15:56] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  So far it's looking good, but testing is still in progress..
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Aleen Parks said he'd get out here later to give it a go
* [15:56] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  awesome
* [15:56] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  the bugfixes are on the 'simon_ilist' channel (like this sim) presently
* [15:56] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  BTW if you've never been to allen parks' store, go now
* [15:57] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  dude is a genius
* [15:57] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  not joking
* [15:57] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  I like his works
* [15:57] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Aha, and the mystery of that "ilist" means is solved
* [15:57] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  : )
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we have 3 minutes for any other business
* [15:57] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  Is anyone working on estate windlight?
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I do not know the status of estate side windlight
* [15:58] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  notices to email?
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we gotta get that working though
* [15:58] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  Phoenix does, lol
* [15:58] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  >.>
* [15:58] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  estate windlight is supported in the server (and has been for several months), but I think we're waiting on viweer support
* [15:58] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  well, ours isn't estate side
* [15:58] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  I expect (Hope) LL will do a better job
* [15:59] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  And get it out within 2 years
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I wonder if we can get it out in a sim console tweak
* [15:59] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  I see Amaretto horses flying right through my house all day. Will that go away in a future server release?
* [15:59] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  i put names on notices to email on the agenda
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you sue phoenix redmokum?
* [15:59] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  hopefully they will do parcel level and allow different settings at different heights like phoenix does
* [15:59] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  is there any change coming?>
* [15:59] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  "Compression" is impressive, but what's the status on "threaded rez"?
* [15:59] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  LOL
* [15:59] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Does Phoenix suck up objects from the next sim?
* [16:00] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  LL's server WL is going to be region level only for private estates only
* [16:00] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  Red has a good point though.. there's a very annoying server bug that eats your prims and /or changes the permissions on them at random
* [16:00] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i have not seen any "sim freeze" improvements when avatar arrive with "threaded rez"
* [16:00] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  I have 15 viewers installed by the way.
* [16:00] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  WAITING ALMOST A YEAR ON NAMES ON NOTICES TO EMAIL
* [16:00] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  I wouldn't mind seeing LSL script command support for poking windlight settings.
* [16:00] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  But, supposedly, support a full custom day cycle, or so I've heard
* [16:01] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  ha, I have about 25 viewers installed :P
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  doesn't look like it has any traction internally gooden. let me poke on that
* [16:01] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  I do everyting with the mesh viewer :)
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  threaded rez had to be disabled due to a bug, which is being worked on
* [16:01] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  I luv the new shaddows :)
* [16:01] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Jonathan: so you also know that bug doesn't appear when using Phoenix only.
* [16:01] [[User:ac14 Hutson|ac14 Hutson]]:  waiting on the veiwer x_O
* [16:01] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  thanks oskar, everyone with large groups thanks you
* [16:01] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  cant' afford shadows with any viewer in a reasonnable manner
* [16:02] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  Shadows are quite good on 2.4
* [16:02] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  I'm happy just using deferred lighting without shadows.
* [16:02] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  probably it's ya gcard...
* [16:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well we are at the hour now
* [16:02] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  Having projectors and oodles of lights makes me happy.
* [16:02] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  on Phoenix and Kirtens also, but it divides by 2 the fps
* [16:02] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  With virtually no FPS hit.
* [16:02] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  I had two accounts logged in, full ultra, wish shadows on everything. 10fps average.
* [16:02] [[User:Ash Qin|Ash Qin]]:  You should take a look at some Lex's pictures, they're pretty awesome.
* [16:02] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  yes but 2.5 shaddows have improved
* [16:02] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  and I don't have a great computer
* [16:02] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  oh have they? even more!
* [16:03] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  Not to mention the delicious bumpmapping and shine improvments when that's on.
* [16:03] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  I only run the most current snowstorm.
* [16:03] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  where can I see them?
* [16:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thanks for coming everyone
* [16:03] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  nice. Need LL to buy all it's users epic computers next
* [16:03] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  thanks Oskar, have a good one
* [16:03] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Seeya Oskar! Thanks
* [16:03] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]:  well, thanks for this great compression !
* [16:03] [[User:Lex Mars|Lex Mars]]:  Thanks for everything you're doing!
* [16:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thank Tiggs if you see him
* [16:03] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  agree with Jessica xD
* [16:03] [[User:Jessica Lyon|Jessica Lyon]]:  Thanks Oskar and everyone
* [16:04] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  yes :)
* [16:04] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  tc everybody
* [16:04] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  thanks :)
* [16:04] [[User:ac14 Hutson|ac14 Hutson]]:  bye
* [16:04] [[User:Kratalchen Toxx|Kratalchen Toxx]]:  •*•.. Bye Bye ..•*`•
* [16:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  l8r)

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