User:CG Linden/2008-07-01

Transcript of CG Linden's office hours:

[7:58]	Free Radar HUD v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets
[7:58]	Radar HUD v1.1: Type /3help for a summary of the commands.
[7:58]	Jenika's Glasses - Oval Frame w/Clip-Ons: Say '/1 menu' or touch the glasses to open the control panel.
[7:58]	MineSweeper v2.1j:	secondlife:///app/teleport/Longfellow/194/55/26
	Arcadia Jonson won L$12 with a score of 123
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[7:59]	Gellan Glenelg:	hi CG
[7:59]	HALEY Salomon:	hiya
[8:00]	Tegg Bode:	Hi CG
[8:00]	CG Linden:	Good morning :)
[8:00]	Ozzy Wozniak:	hi :)
[8:00]	Erinyse Planer:	morning cg
[8:00]	Erinyse Planer:	pop quiz which person usually here is my alt?
[8:00]	HALEY Salomon:	o0
[8:01]	Tegg Bode:	Me ? :)
[8:01]	CG Linden:	Not me :) I know my alt :)
[8:01]	Erinyse Planer pffts at tegg. I only play females
[8:01]	Earadriede Callisto:	lol
[8:01]	Tegg Bode:	Some of my alts have alts I don't know about ;)
[8:01]	HALEY Salomon:	ok funny
[8:01]	Erinyse Planer giggles
[8:02]	Bri Gufler:	Hi everyone
[8:02]	Gellan Glenelg:	hi bri
[8:02]	Erinyse Planer:	give ya a hint. shes usually a pin in your butt cg :P
[8:02]	Erinyse Planer:	hey bri
[8:02]	Erinyse Planer:	*pain
[8:02]	Gellan Glenelg:	oh - that could be one of hundreds ;P
[8:03]	CG Linden is collecting notes
[8:03]	CG Linden:	Hi Lam
[8:03]	Lamorna Proctor:	Morning, CG
[8:03]	Lamorna Proctor:	morning everyone
[8:03]	CG Linden:	/dev/dull, cute one...
[8:03]	Lamorna Proctor:	or afternoon, evening...
[8:03]	Erinyse Planer:	morning lam
[8:03]	Bri Gufler:	heheh
[8:03]	CG Linden:	I often typo it, and call if /dev/bull :)
[8:03]	Erinyse Planer:	give ya another hint cg
[8:03]	Erinyse Planer:	/mew
[8:03]	Erinyse Planer mews
[8:04]	CG Linden:	(-;
[8:05]	Erinyse Planer:	heh if that dont work well I think my name is listed in the app that got my other char into battery st. :P
[8:05]	CG Linden:	Ok, let's see....
[8:06]	CG Linden:	This week, no rolling restart
[8:06]	CG Linden:	simulators are safe for now
[8:06]	Tegg Bode:	Hmm so whats on your plate this week CG?
[8:06]	Erinyse Planer:	*pouts* no fix yet for collissions then?
[8:06]	CG Linden:	for me it's a short week
[8:06]	Gellan Glenelg:	no meeting on 4th, I assume?
[8:06]	CG Linden:	well, we'll deploy next week's rolling restart on the beta^h^h^h^hpreview grid (aditi)
[8:07]	CG Linden:	nope, I'll be sleepong in that day :)
[8:07]	Erinyse Planer makes plans to go sit fireworks off outside cg's house *giggles evilly*
[8:08]	CG Linden:	One problem is that our lead physics guy is on vacation, so all bugs havingto do with physics will take a while to get fixed
[8:08]	CG Linden:	including Lam's favorite critter
[8:08]	Lamorna Proctor:	does that include the fix i need for chess, etc?
[8:08]	Lamorna Proctor:	:(
[8:09]	CG Linden:	sorry, but tat guy's been working 12h days ever since I got to LindenLab
[8:09]	Lamorna Proctor:	i'm getting increasing flak from customers
[8:09]	Close Range:	Arcadia Jonson [36m]
[8:09]	Erinyse Planer pouts "the rp sim owners and the weopons makers are getting really hurt by the collision issue
[8:09]	Erinyse Planer:	especially byu the idiots that buy weopons then complain they dont work even when shown the jira that explains why they dont work *sighs*
[8:10]	CG Linden:	well, it looks like the following ones will be fixed next week, though:
[8:10]	CG Linden:	SVC-2485: Phantom Objects Collide with Virtual Prims in 1.22.2
[8:10]	CG Linden:	SVC-2484: llVolumeDetect() Fails to detect some avatars
[8:11]	CG Linden:	are those the collision bugs you were refering to?
[8:11]	Tegg Bode:	Hmm that could be trouble by the sounds of things, well, it will get fixed eventually I guess
[8:12]	HALEY Salomon:	that jumping bug ,, seems to be back the one ,, we just fly up for no reason .
[8:12]	Battery Street Irregulars whispers: Thanks for your interest in the Battery Street Irregulars. We'll be contacting you soon!
[8:12]	HALEY Salomon:	Is tat on the list to be fixed
[8:12]	Erinyse Planer:	thats two of the issues yes
[8:13]	CG Linden:	Don't think so... I showed it to Andrew (our physics guy) before he left
[8:13]	CG Linden:	Hi Nite...
[8:13]	CG Linden:	and he kind of went "oh no, not that again" :)
[8:13]	HALEY Salomon:	ops
[8:14]	CG Linden:	this week, we're continuing to tweak the web services
[8:15]	CG Linden:	unfortunately, they are proving to be a new generator of failure points
[8:15]	CG Linden:	this Sunday they were the cause of disruptions
[8:15]	CG Linden:	mainly due to a "spiral of doom" type effect
[8:15]	Erinyse Planer:	that doesnt sound good
[8:16]	CG Linden:	were a heavy weight request triggers a lot of secondary requests, which backs up other requests and increases the load, which ....
[8:16]	CG Linden:	there are also some design issues that weren't quite thought through ....
[8:17]	Erinyse Planer:	so what does this mean?
[8:17]	Erinyse Planer:	that theres going to be another redesign?
[8:17]	Tegg Bode:	Yep that's life I suppose, have to break a few eggs occasionally
[8:18]	CG Linden:	it mainly means that the replacement of all database calls with web services will take a little while...
[8:19]	CG Linden:	on the other hand, they do provide a nice framework, and this week we are deploying a preliminary code set which will eventually permit escrow-type transactions
[8:19]	Lamorna Proctor pricks up her ears
[8:19]	CG Linden:	this will eventually allow objects to detect whether transactions succeeded....
[8:19]	Lamorna Proctor:	:)
[8:19]	CG Linden:	but the emphasis is on eventuallu
[8:20]	Erinyse Planer:	meaning still probably months away ... we understand
[8:20]	CG Linden:	as far as I'm concerned, it is -way- beyond my horizon
[8:20]	CG Linden:	but eh, we got some of our best people working on it
[8:20]	Lamorna Proctor:	It's not just L$ transactions we need that for, we also need confirmation that inventory offers have been accepted
[8:21]	CG Linden:	yes, the idea is that you collect all parts of a "bargain" and only proceed of all parts are present.
[8:21]	CG Linden:	if
[8:21]	Lamorna Proctor:	good
[8:22]	Erinyse Planer:	cg anyword on if SVC-2511 is going to be addressed at all next week?
[8:24]	CG Linden:	Looking
[8:25]	CG Linden:	If you think PJIRA is slow, you should see how slow our internal Jira is :)
[8:26]	HALEY Salomon:	CG ,, that sliding into the room animation is great did u make it ??
[8:26]	CG Linden:	well, I guess it will come up eventually :)
[8:26]	Erinyse Planer:	nto worried about slowness "*Shrugs** but... worried about the fact ive seen three weopons makers out of business 4 others strugling, and 3 rp sim sets on the verge of clsoing
[8:26]	CG Linden:	No, I didn't make it
[8:26]	HALEY Salomon:	landmark please ??
[8:27]	CG Linden:	Outrider animations it was
[8:27]	HALEY Salomon:	okes
[8:28]	CG Linden:	so, it doesn't look like that one's going to be in 1.23 (next week's sim rollout)
[8:28]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 1. e2-e4
[8:28]	CG Linden:	but it's certainly being worked on, but as I said, Andrew's on vacation...
[8:28]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 1. ... e7-e5
[8:28]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 2. Ng1-f3
[8:28]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 2. ... Nb8-c6
[8:28]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 3. Bf1-c4
[8:28]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 3. ... Bf8-c5
[8:28]	CG Linden:	viewer....
[8:28]	Erinyse Planer:	what would it take to make this one jump higher in the priorities?
[8:28]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 4. b2-b4
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 4. ... Bc5xb4
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 5. c2-c3
[8:29]	CG Linden:	there will be an RC12 this week with a very small number of fixes
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 5. ... Bb4-a5
[8:29]	Tegg Bode:	I noticed the that here and there I still find the "sim is running different server code" message , shouldn't the whole grid be the same now?
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 6. d2-d4
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 6. ... e5xd4
[8:29]	CG Linden:	we're looking at getting the "classic" skin out next week
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 7. Nf3xd4
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 7. ... Nc6xd4
[8:29]	CG Linden:	Tegg, which sim?
[8:29]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 8. Qd1xd4
[8:30]	CG Linden:	indeed, they should be running the same
[8:30]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 8. ... Ng8-f6
[8:30]	HALEY Salomon:	it is weird,,, that so many people care what color blue,, it is ..
[8:30]	Tegg Bode:	Andrac occassionaly, but perhaps it was during rollouts last week?
[8:30]	Lamorna Proctor personally likes the current RC viewer and doesn't understand the fuss
[8:30]	Erinyse Planer:	haley its cause the ligheter blue is too low contrast AND a seizure trigger for some epileptics
[8:31]	CG Linden:	our rollouts now take about 3 days
[8:31]	Lamorna Proctor:	oh?
[8:31]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 9. Bc1-g5
[8:31]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Castling kingside is possible
[8:31]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 9. ... O-O
[8:31]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Castling kingside is possible
[8:31]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 10. O-O
[8:31]	Tegg Bode:	Yes I think Dazzle is a tad bright, but I use it anyway and funny enough , I've had bad headaches over the last 2 months too
[8:32]	Lea Vendetta:	The colors Dazzle uses can be a trigger for people with certain types of migraines
[8:32]	CG Linden:	so, let me see what's in it this week...
[8:32]	Lamorna Proctor stands corrected
[8:33]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 10. ... Qd8-e7
[8:33]	CG Linden:	Hi Mr not Sai :)
[8:33]	Tegg Bode:	Yeah well turned out after a MRI, I have high blood pressure an a sunus infection causing the headaches
[8:33]	CG Linden:	and welcome to the FIC :)
[8:33]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 11. e4-e5
[8:33]	Lea Vendetta:	ugh thats sucks
[8:33]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 11. ... c7-c5
[8:34]	Tegg Bode:	FIC?
[8:34]	Gellan Glenelg:	Feted Inner Core
[8:34]	Lamorna Proctor:	we are all FIC people
[8:34]	Trinity Coulter:	fancy way of saying teacher's pets, with the teacher in this case being the Lindens
[8:34]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 12. Qd4-e3
[8:34]	CG Linden:	nono, but Saijanai is official now :)
[8:34]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 12. ... Nf6-g4
[8:34]	Tegg Bode:	Ah I'm FOC sitting out here with the FMC's inbetwen
[8:35]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 13. Qe3-f4
[8:35]	Erinyse Planer:	hahaha tegg
[8:35]	CG Linden:	VWR-7178: 'Upload a snapshot' can no longer take full screen will be fixed...
[8:35]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 13. ... Qe7xe5
[8:35]	Gellan Glenelg:	:)
[8:35]	HALEY Salomon:	ooo thanks
[8:35]	Erinyse Planer:	YAY so they are changing that back?
[8:35]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 14. Qf4xg4
[8:35]	Erinyse Planer does happy dance
[8:35]	CG Linden:	and another PPC crash
[8:35]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 14. ... d7-d6
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: The player to move must resign or offer a draw before restarting the game
[8:36]	CG Linden:	and we're disabling the watchdog
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Game over. Complete game was as follows:
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: White: A N Other - Black: A N Other
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Linden Village - Aric Linden, Longfellow, 2008-07-01
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 1. e2-e4 e7-e5
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 3. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 4. b2-b4 Bc5xb4
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 5. c2-c3 Bb4-a5
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 6. d2-d4 e5xd4
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 7. Nf3xd4 Nc6xd4
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 8. Qd1xd4 Ng8-f6
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 9. Bc1-g5 O-O
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 10. O-O Qd8-e7
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 11. e4-e5 c7-c5
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 12. Qd4-e3 Nf6-g4
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 13. Qe3-f4 Qe7xe5
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 14. Qf4xg4 d7-d6
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 15. 0-1
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Setting up a new game
[8:36]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Ready to play
[8:36]	Erinyse Planer casts a hex of pleausre upon the lindens that changed the snapshot bakc to allow fullscreens again, then casts a hex of urgancy upon andrew to get him to fix 2511 when he gets back *nodnod*
[8:36]	CG Linden:	We hope we can get the final rc out next week or the week after
[8:37]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 1, White to play
[8:37]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:37]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 1. e2-e4
[8:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	You speak japanaese, CG?
[8:37]	CG Linden:	we're a bit under pressure because mono will be out server side
[8:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	eek
[8:37]	CG Linden:	and we need to merge the viewer side changes
[8:37]	CG Linden:	skoshi, yukuri hanashitara, wakarimasu
[8:38]	Erinyse Planer:	will battery street becoem active after rc12 or 13 (whichever) goes live?
[8:38]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Game over. Complete game was as follows:
[8:38]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: White: A N Other - Black: A N Other
[8:38]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Linden Village - Aric Linden, Longfellow, 2008-07-01
[8:38]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 1. e2-e4 1/2-1/2
[8:38]	Saijanai Kuhn:	thot the RC would have the user interface, but that server-side would be a week r two after that
[8:38]	Saijanai Kuhn:	re: mono
[8:38]	Nite Zelmanov:	What sort of timeline on that mono pressure?
[8:38]	Erinyse Planer:	its other way around saijanai
[8:38]	Saijanai Kuhn:	s'koshi yo tambien, dude
[8:38]	CG Linden:	well, we thought so to, but the merge turned out to be a little bit ore complex than anticipated, and we didn't want to pollute 1.20
[8:39]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Setting up a new game
[8:39]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Ready to play
[8:39]	Close Range:	Freddy Jetcity [22m]
[8:39]	CG Linden:	this being said, w may still do it that way if the mono team can produce a diff that the viewer team can understand and integrate easily :)
[8:39]	Erinyse Planer cant wait for mono. hopes taht it will help on script caused lag
[8:40]	White Player's Seat: Freddy Jetcity is playing White
[8:40]	Saijanai Kuhn:	Erinyse did you check your laggy scripts in beta?
[8:40]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 1. e2-e4
[8:41]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 1. ... e7-e5
[8:41]	CG Linden:	so mono is scheduled to come out in4 weeks
[8:41]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 2. Qd1-h5
[8:41]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move
[8:41]	Lamorna Proctor:	woohoo
[8:41]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 2, Black to play
[8:41]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:41]	CG Linden:	next week 1.23
[8:41]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 2. ... a7-a6
[8:41]	CG Linden:	one week pause
[8:41]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 3. Ng1-f3
[8:41]	CG Linden:	then 1.24 = mono
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 3, Black to play
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:42]	CG Linden:	Hi Kahlan :)
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 3. ... b7-b6
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 4. Nf3-g5
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 4. ... a6-a5
[8:42]	Kahlan Writer:	hi
[8:42]	Nite Zelmanov had better get his ass to the beta grid ;)
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move
[8:42]	CG Linden:	after that, I actually have no clue what the next big thing is going to be
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 5. Qh5xf7+
[8:42]	Tegg Bode:	/
[8:42]	Erinyse Planer:	not my scripts lol its scripts in general.
[8:42]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check
[8:42]	Tegg Bode:	So less RC viewers then?
[8:43]	Lamorna Proctor:	i've tested many of my most complex scripts on the beta grid, and they converted with no trouble at all
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check
[8:43]	CG Linden:	viewer side, work will continue...
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:43]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check
[8:44]	Erinyse Planer:	any word yet on when the battery street program gets operational?
[8:44]	Erinyse Planer cant wait to get to break things nightly
[8:44]	CG Linden:	BSI - you -may- get email this week
[8:45]	CG Linden:	due to the reskinning ("undazzle"), the viewer side's been a tad busy
[8:45]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play
[8:45]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:45]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move
[8:45]	CG Linden:	but I actually think that a lot of work is going to be happening viewer side, it is definitely where the attention is focussed now
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:46]	Erinyse Planer nods "i bet, but i still think its the right decision
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square
[8:46]	Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play
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[8:46]	CG Linden:	so when I said I don't know what's up after mono, it may well be that we'll only do bug fixes server side for a while and concentrate more effort on the viewer and related items
[8:47]	CG Linden:	"new User experience" is the main thing "M" is looking at ...
[8:47]	Sheet Spotter hopes CG gets to sneak in a summer vacation. :-)
[8:48]	CG Linden:	and as we all know, the current new user experience is not exactly, well, frankly, it sucks
[8:48]	Erinyse Planer:	careful cg that much honesty might get you in trouble lol
[8:48]	Erinyse Planer:	hahaha
[8:48]	Erinyse Planer hugs
[8:48]	Lamorna Proctor:	what kind of things are you thinking of doing to improve it?
[8:49]	CG Linden:	well, the new avis are one little thing we did
[8:49]	Tegg Bode:	Hmm we need to get them into the sex sim easier :)
[8:49]	CG Linden:	but mainly trying to streamline the registration process
[8:49]	CG Linden:	and of course the OIs...
[8:50]	CG Linden:	I don't think you'll find anyone who actually likes the current setup
[8:50]	Lamorna Proctor:	my only concern is that in making the UI easier for noobs you don't make life more difficult for experienced residents
[8:50]	Nite Zelmanov:	Some of the privately implemented regportal orientations have been really good
[8:50]	CG Linden:	yes, and there is a big effort to keep those going...
[8:51]	CG Linden:	but interetingly enough, retention rates from those are not significantly different than from ours
[8:51]	Erinyse Planer:	theres a couple of lindens frankly that all by themselves have hurt user expereince too cg
[8:51]	CG Linden:	the asian community gateways do slightly better than us, the european ones actually do worse
[8:51]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I think the issue s if people log in during peak hours, their experience is going to suck, period due to the brekage of the network
[8:52]	CG Linden:	These are really tough problems....
[8:52]	Tegg Bode:	Yeah, I don't think new people realise how easiy it is to create things here and how many options are available, they are just shown to walk, fly, tp and wear clothes
[8:52]	Saijanai Kuhn:	max concurrency overwhelms the system and everything goes south
[8:53]	HALEY Salomon:	I do not think the problem is the hard learning curve I think it's that stuff just doesn't work and the new people think its them
[8:53]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I know you guys have started login freezes and that helps, but then people just can't login which is alkso a problem :-(
[8:53]	CG Linden:	yep, that's where the whole dataservice effort is going, to make that more scalable
[8:53]	HALEY Salomon:	at least the new people in my class,,
[8:54]	Tegg Bode:	Yes unfortunately peak times are when the maximum number of real users want to be logged in but can't.
[8:54]	CG Linden:	One of the reasons we want agent domains is also so we can use them ourselves to partition the user table....
[8:54]	Saijanai Kuhn:	hopefuly, as the new Agent DOmain/ Region domain gets implemented, a lot of issues will naturally correct themselves
[8:54]	Erinyse Planer:	allot of premium acocunts get ticked off too caus ethey think they should be able to login durring restrictions. theres really not allot of incentive to get premiums atm
[8:55]	CG Linden:	we actually can do that, but you should have seen the backlash when we tried it :)
[8:55]	Saijanai Kuhn:	CG, so you can distribute which server is handling x number of agents at any moment?
[8:55]	HALEY Salomon:	the backlash from all the people who rent.. their sims ,, two nonpaying members ???
[8:55]	CG Linden:	not at the moment, no... everything still goes to one central database
[8:55]	Tegg Bode:	Yeah I think perhaps they would be better logging out any accounts that have been online for 24 hours
[8:55]	Saijanai Kuhn:	well, I meant with Agent Domain
[8:56]	CG Linden:	that would be the idea, yes
[8:56]	Tegg Bode:	maybe 12 hours might be better
[8:56]	HALEY Salomon:	noooo ,, I am o for 12 hours
[8:56]	Lamorna Proctor:	there are a lot of bot accounts that would be affected by that
[8:56]	HALEY Salomon:	and I ay concierge,, for the privilege
[8:56]	Shawna Montgomery:	me too
[8:56]	CG Linden:	in some ways, there already is a natural evoplution to "agent domains", we actually already have half of an agent domain....
[8:56]	Saijanai Kuhn:	yeah, I understand the fornt end ideas, but you guys do what you like on the backend, so we have to guess what it will mean
[8:56]	CG Linden:	it's called the inventory db server :)
[8:57]	Tegg Bode:	The only problem is alot of bot accounts would hammer the grid with auto relogs straight away too
[8:57]	Sheet Spotter:	Bot accounts would automatically log on again. :-(
[8:57]	Lamorna Proctor:	yes
[8:57]	Erinyse Planer:	there shoudl be a way to dsiable bto acocunts period
[8:57]	CG Linden:	and one of the things we are doing is moving agent specific data from the central db to the inventory dbs
[8:57]	Erinyse Planer:	*disable bot accounts
[8:57]	Saijanai Kuhn:	Kelly and I were talking about an official bot avatar type to make the server programming easier. Something about the itnerest list
[8:58]	Tegg Bode:	maybe prevent relogging for 4 hours on accounts online for 24 hours?
[8:58]	CG Linden:	well, let me know if you find a way to autodetect bots :)
[8:58]	Lamorna Proctor:	well, if there were a way in script to do things like invite people into groups, that would reduce the need for bots
[8:58]	Sheet Spotter:	There are a few reliable ways to detect a bot. :-)
[8:58]	CG Linden:	please tell :)
[8:58]	Saijanai Kuhn:	well, no, this would be officially logging in as a bot. No 3D info ever sent out
[8:59]	CG Linden:	and besides, some bots do useful stuff
[8:59]	Saijanai Kuhn:	so it would reduce the server load. Useful for store bots, NPCs and monsters in RPG sims
[8:59]	Lamorna Proctor:	yes, but the group thing would be a useful addition to script
[8:59]	CG Linden:	and as Saijanai points out, it would actually be helpful if we had a mode for bots...
[8:59]	Saijanai Kuhn:	and wouldn't count against the normal avatar count on a sim
[8:59]	Tegg Bode:	well whether they are a bot or not if they have been online for 24 hours, and haven't moved in last hour or so, there's good chance there's no person at the keyboard, which is a s good as a bot IMO
[9:00]	CG Linden:	yeah, but those people don't really create problems either
[9:00]	Gellan Glenelg:	not moved in the last hour? The bots I see are constantly tping in /out
[9:00]	CG Linden:	the ones that do create problems are those that do stuff
[9:00]	CG Linden:	especially the ones that try to harvest data
[9:01]	Saijanai Kuhn:	ironically, the first of those was Dale Glass's map bot
[9:01]	Erinyse Planer:	like the one that leads peopel to a page that has the fake login to sl, then takes over their acocunt and uses it to spam others?
[9:01]	Tegg Bode:	Well if they have ben online for daysor weeks they are probably bots too. Trouble is sorting good bots from bad, some have legitimate uses, like group invite bots
[9:01]	Saijanai Kuhn:	and as long as it was just one, I don't think anyone minded.
[9:01]	Erinyse Planer:	but you dont need a bto to do group invites
[9:02]	Erinyse Planer:	theres plenty of scritps that do so without bots
[9:02]	Lamorna Proctor:	if an object is owned by a group, it should be possible to implement a LL API call to invite to and eject from a group
[9:02]	Lamorna Proctor:	maybe someone has already PJIRAed that
[9:02]	Lamorna Proctor will check
[9:02]	Erinyse Planer:	its already possible
[9:03]	Saijanai Kuhn:	with the new pyogp scripted bots, there will be a LOT of new uses for bots. Hopefully we'll have it sorted out by the time they become useful to people
[9:03]	Gellan Glenelg:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-273 (Allow Scripts To Send Group Invitations)
[9:03]	Lamorna Proctor:	How Erinyse? I'm not awar of a way to do it?
[9:03]	Lamorna Proctor:	*aware
[9:03]	Tegg Bode:	We really need verification, connecting all accounts to a RL person, then LL will know who is running over 5 accounts and have the otion to do domething
[9:04]	Trinity Coulter:	why
[9:04]	Lamorna Proctor:	Having multiple accounts is not in itself a bad thing
[9:04]	Saijanai Kuhn:	the new login model is supposed to tie everything to one account, but that doesn't keep you from having 2 or more accoutns anyway
[9:04]	Lamorna Proctor:	There are many legitimate uses for alts
[9:05]	HALEY Salomon:	but the rule is five
[9:05]	Saijanai Kuhn:	sure, but eventually, there should be a way to share inventory between alts on the same acount
[9:05]	Erinyse Planer:	i have three and two friends have ones that they sometimes log in from where i am. why would i wnat LL to dsiable me for haivng multiple accounts?
[9:05]	Lamorna Proctor:	As a designer and scripter, I need to test things as an alt, to check permissions, etc.
[9:05]	Shawna Montgomery:	why did they stop charging the fee for extra accounts?
[9:06]	Gellan Glenelg:	yes, I have/need alts... but can you give a legitimate reason for having 100 alts?
[9:06]	HALEY Salomon:	none
[9:06]	Erinyse Planer:	if i cant have more then five accounts ild probably stop playing ll
[9:06]	CG Linden:	I don't know for sure, but my guess is that policing alts and recovering the fee isjust too much trouble
[9:06]	Erinyse Planer:	*sl
[9:06]	Saijanai Kuhn:	lol talk to enus. I think he has 300+
[9:06]	Lamorna Proctor:	i'd forget all their names :)
[9:06]	Sheet Spotter:	100 alts means you always have someone to talk to! :-)
[9:06]	CG Linden:	well, QA is different
[9:06]	Lamorna Proctor:	let alone their passwords
[9:06]	Tegg Bode:	No but once you start getting over 5 or 6 it's a bit needless and trouble is at moment anyone eligable for hotmail can creat 4 or 5 accounts for each disposable email. So any kid can create accounts too
[9:06]	Saijanai Kuhn:	tesert1 tester2 tester3...
[9:07]	Erinyse Planer:	now i WOULD pay like an extra $5 or $10 a year for at least two alts and tie them to my main to get the extra support and land owning ability that coems with premium
[9:07]	Lamorna Proctor:	i wouldn't be seen dead with some of my alts ;)
[9:08]	HALEY Salomon:	not me ,,,mine are gorgeous
[9:08]	Tegg Bode:	Yes that is a bit silly that my legally created alts don't have access to same support as my paying main account
[9:08]	Saijanai Kuhn:	all my alts are ruthed usually. They log in stand around, spam groups that never get the messages I try to send...
[9:08]	Erinyse Planer:	i dotn thionk its smart or practical to say "you cant have more then five acocutns"
[9:08]	HALEY Salomon:	I agree
[9:09]	Tegg Bode:	There is LL just have to make sure every person playing is verified in some way.
[9:09]	Lamorna Proctor:	it's certainly not policed, and as CG says it's far too difficult to do it on a continuous basis
[9:10]	Lamorna Proctor:	IP addresses change, MAC addresses change when someone buys a new computer
[9:10]	Tegg Bode:	The gate is open and but horses are still running through it, we shoult close it at some point
[9:10]	01 Hifeng:	if verification - not by credit card, because not everyone is willing to show his/her credit card's number to random companies -_-
[9:10]	CG Linden:	well, we are 10 minutes over, and i need to get to work...
[9:10]	Lamorna Proctor:	ok, thanks CG
[9:10]	HALEY Salomon:	thank you this was fun and informative
[9:10]	Gellan Glenelg:	thanks CG
[9:10]	Saijanai Kuhn:	thanks CG
[9:10]	Tegg Bode:	You are at work :)
[9:11]	Bri Gufler:	Thanks for having us CG
[9:11]	Sheet Spotter:	Thank you for this hour (and ten minutes) CG! :-)
[9:11]	Saijanai Kuhn:	BTW, if anyone is ageek under the skin, the AW Groupies meeting starts in 20 minutes. IM me for a group invite
[9:11]	Tegg Bode:	Yep thx :)
[9:11]	CG Linden:	your welcome...
[9:11]	Lamorna Proctor:	what's that all about, Saijanai?
[9:11]	CG Linden:	/m remembers to save chatlog
[9:11]	Earadriede Callisto:	thanks CG