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Date: 10/25

Topic	Proposed By	Links	Jira Number?	Old or New Business	Comments
Reminder to Update the Zindra Flickr Group Pool	Ginette	http://www.flickr.com/groups/exploringzindra/	n/a	old
Zindra Flickr Slideshow Kiosk Information Balls	Ginette	see above	n/a	Giving out better age-verify information? / Giving out an LM to a 'Zindra Gateway'?

Meeting Order: Old Business (Reports) then New Business (Proposals). followed by any Open Questions
Note: Reports must be updates on pre-existing Proposals
Note: Proposals must exist in writing (in notecards and published somewhere online) to be valid.
If it is not a Report or Proposal, add it to the Open Questions section.
Please add your item to the bottom of the appropriate section (reports, proposals or open questions) (to be civil, do not post items before other items aka 'jumping in line') Agenda is Finalized 24 hours before Meeting.

AGENDA (Finalized) for MON OCT 25 11AM (Chairperson: Blondin Linden)
Reports (Old Business)
* Reminder to Update the Zindra Flickr Group Pool (to get more member's photos in there!
http://www.flickr.com/groups/exploringzindra/
* Zindra Flickr Slideshow Kiosk Information Balls
- Giving out better age-verify information?
- Giving out an LM to a 'Zindra Gateway'?
* Podyan Sim:
a) Did glitches get fixed?
b) Podyan / Zindra switch: The verdict?
* Art Maze: responses from LL
http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011
* Zindra Mentor Team: call for more team members
http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team
* Age Verification Kiosks at InfoHubs: Status?

Proposals (New Business)
* Zindra Ambassador Program (ZAP): connecting more people with Zindra news
http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-ambassador-program

Placing an age verification info kiosk with pop up URL in all moderate and adult/safe etc. info hubs. (NOTE)As a matter of record this is not new business, it is actually old business. I posted this as questions because as the NKOTB I was unaware it was old business, so this needs to be revisited. Also, my postings to this page have been moved and edited by Ginette without consent . I did approache her reguarding this issue and asked in the future she either get permission to edit others post on this wiki and initial it. -colleen Criss

MEETING RECAP from MON OCT 18 11AM (Chairperson: Blondin Linden)
' * Exploring Zindra Flickr Pool: Pool needs to be updated: - still needs to be updated by Admin.....
* Flickr Slideshow Kiosk: - Kiosk is now at Oritz and Arapaima InfoHubs (check it out!).....

* Podyan sim: - Scripting and Building glitches still to be fixed - Zindra sim/Podyan name switch PENDING (if happens Podyan becomes Zindra, Zindra becomes Podyan)
* Art Maze 2011: Island Event Proposal submitted to LL: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011

* Zindra Mentor Team: call to start a brainstorming team to come up with ideas for Mentor programs. Contact Ginette Pinazzo or Ratatosk Independent to join this new team

* What happens when Blondin cancels a meeting? Meetings continue as 30 minute format; chair will be appointed by Blondin This is not a 'done deal'. if he is talking about appointing another Linden then that's his prerogative. Blondin should not appoint any community member to 'run' this community meeting. That should happen on the community-level. TO BE DISCUSSED

* What about teens migrating to main grid?: Zada wants to know! Zada may reframe her question on this topic to be more specific Blondin answered that they stay in the PG sims only and have no access to Mature or Adult sims.

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Here is the ACTUAL community agenda discussed at the October 18th Zindra Community Meeting - most items were not addressed and must be added to the agenda for next week.

1. Exploring Zindra Flickr Group: Inworld Slideshow presentation.

1. Is it advertising? Response: Blondin Linden: the purpose would be to show people that there are things to do here in ZIndra. It's promoting a location, rather than a product. Like a travel agency :) 2. What Item is delivered upon touching the slideshow? NO ANSWER. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA 3. Six months ago it was promised that adult verification kiosks were to be placed in every mainland infohub. Will this slideshow be able t be placed in every single mainland infohub? ANSWER: Blondin Linden: Well Lias, it depends on the content of the pictures. Can't be anythign explicit but I think the idea of having some info out about ZIndra wouldnt be a bad idea. 4. Is the contenbt of the slideshow PG so it can be distributed everywhere? NO ANSWER. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA Besides Podyan, specifically where outside of Zindra will the slideshow be placed? NO ANSWER. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA

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"Blondin Linden: No I didnt take care of it. BUt I'll do so this week and have a bettter answer for you next week. SOrry about that" This is in response to a notecard that Silvanus Northman sent to Blondin about some 'glitches' [11:13] Silvanus Northman: but are not hard glitches more constuctive thoughts...

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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2. Switching the name of the Podyma sim to Zindra Gateway Sim.

Oct 18th Blondin said on this subject: [11:16] Blondin Linden: b) b) Podyan becomes Zindra Gateway: The verdict from Blondin? [11:16] Blondin Linden: first off - that term gateway is a bit misleading :) [11:17] Blondin Linden: b/c we just ended the CG program [11:20] Blondin Linden: It's easy enough to do. And I've proposed it, waiting for feedback. It may seem like a small task but I just want to make sure I'm covering all the bases. Which is why I have to wait for an approval FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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3. Meeting Minutes

[11:52] Lias Leandros: Last week Blondin you said: Blondin Linden: Counter, I still rely on your group (Zindra Alliance) as well, but I don’t have the ability to create roles there. So please - feel free and the meeting notes can be posted there as well.

Counter Landfall: you can post as many notes as you want there.

Blondin Linden: notes, but not roles.

[11:52] Lias Leandros: So Counter said that you can,indded post notices

[11:52] Lias Leandros: and he already has the secretary role there

[11:52] Lias Leandros: and those folks will take turns monthly with the agenda and minutes

[11:52] Counter Landfall: I added Blondin to it if he wants to be a secretary, but your unique role can post notes too

[11:56] Blondin Linden: I'll pick different people so its fair (about community secretaries for Zindra)

[11:57] Lias Leandros: Blondin did you just say you will pick the community secretaries for Zindra?NO ANSWER

[12:01] Lias Leandros: Counter is adding secretaries to the Zindra Alliance group so we get Community meeting agendas sent to us

[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: secretaries are key for every meeting, but until the Expo group (not a private group) has notices going out, it doesnt seem to be happening yet. [11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: ZA isa private group which is great...but cannot be the official' conduit of information. Community not in agreement. Blondin uses the open enrollment Zindra Alliance group to communicate to the community.

Not completely discussed. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

== 4. Ginette's Island Maze Proposal ==

Recap: Art Maze 2011 is a proposal I have had available for review, for months, and I have assembled a team already (there are 8 of us so far with room for more!). I've talked it up in the arts community (which is a very lucrative part of SL) and interest seems high. I believe it's a natural idea that appeals to many categories and will be high-profile enough and inclusive enough to reach far outside Zindra and attract attention. I think that involving the Arts is great way to crossover into a large market. Art Maze seems to have instant appeal to anyone I've spoken with.

QUESTIONS: 1. Will there be adult content in the Maze: ANSWER: YES

2. Will outside people be allowed to present artwork in this event that takes place in Zindra? ANSWER:YES - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

3. Can anyone participate? ANSWER: No. the 'team' that is volunteering to run this event will hand-pick the artists. - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA. (see 10/18 transcript HERE: http://zindraminutes.blogspot.com/2010/10/october-18th-community-meeting-minutes.htmlItalic text)

'MORE on the subject of the artist event:' ''[11:37] Blondin Linden: here's a question : how are the artisits chosen?

[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin, Id like tol formally submit this specific event proposal as of today...I think I;'ve hit all of the criteria in the proposal...I think!

[11:41] Blondin Linden: What do you suggest as an alternative Lias?

[11:43] Lias Leandros: yes set real limits - not a few people who like your art and accept you.

[11:44] Lias Leandros: size, materials used, timelines

[11:44] Lias Leandros: those are 'limits'

11:46] Lias Leandros: why would a 'door' open to a place outside of Zindra?

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: the point is to make an exciting event that will draw peoepl from all over....from outside Zindra...in theory it doesnt matter who the artists are...if they have draw, its better'

ANSWER: Blondin did not verbally approve this event to move forward and allow this 'team' to take over these 3 Linden Sims in Zindra in the name of the ZIndra Community. Guidelines must be discussed and accepted. Proposal here: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011 FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.'

5. Guest Speakers

1. Zada Bury: maybe sometime swe can have guest-talkers? Blondin Linden: I think Guest speakers is a great idea NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

6. Zindra Mentor Team

[11:46] Blondin Linden: * Zindra Mentor Team: proposal to form team to brainstorm mentor ideas http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team

"Ratatosk Independent has written a beautiful piece (see article at http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team) that outlines the problems and proposes possible solutions, related to the absence of Mentor programs for Zindra."

NOT DISCUSSED UNTIL READ BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.'

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7. Zindra Brainstorming Team Proposal

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: In light of this topic, I'd like to propose that we form a special Zindra Mentor Team. This will be a brainstorming team with the following mission: To think of as many ideas as possible, and develop them into actual proposals, for programs that connect with existing SL Mentor programs OR are new Zindra Mentor programs.

[11:49] Lias Leandros: And we have a office dedicated to just developing FREE Marketing events for ZIndrans. Its COMMERCIAL EVENTS SPECIALISTS and its located roadside in Yedboro Suggested that this service is already free and open to the community in Zindra through CES.

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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== 8. Blondin proposes what we do when he is not available to attend the meetings ==

[11:53] Blondin Linden: If I cancel a meeting, please do feel free to have a meeting. The meeting may want to be cut in half to 30 minutes but since the agenda is up on the wiki, I think if you just stick to the clock, you can forward me any notes afterwards.

[11:57] Blondin Linden: no, if Im not going to make it to a meeting, Ill work on asking someone to keep their eye ont he clock and make sure agenda items are hit Who will this 'clock watcher' be and how will they be chosen?

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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9. Teens in SL'Bold text'

[11:56] Blondin Linden: teens will be stuck with G rated land

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== UPCOMING OCTOBER 25TH (MONDAY) The Zindra Community Secretary's Agenda:

*OLD BUSINESS*

1. Switching the name of the Podyma sim to Zindra Gateway Sim.

Blondin will update his progress on getting approval for this.

2. Meeting Minutes.

PROCEDURE: Community Secretary: FAQs The Community Secretary is a position approved of by Blondin Linden and the Zindra Alliance owner. Both parties have agreed to have a position in the Zindra Alliance group as Community Secretary. Those that wish to volunteer as a community secretary can ask Counter Landfall for the Secretary tag in the Zindra Alliance group. The secretaries will take turns handling the agenda for a month at a a time.The Community Secretary (CS) will post the full meeting transscript each week to this blog and then extract the questions and answers from the transcript that will make up the Agenda for the following week's agenda.

The agenda will be posted here and on Blondin's wiki page.

Anyone can add items to the agenda by posting in the agenda topics post here (in comments) or add to Blondin's wiki. The agenda is closed 24 hours before the Monday meeting (Sunday at 11AM)

At that time the secretary will attend a open community meeting at the CES office in Zindra to meet with community members and clarify agenda items.

Distribute the agenda to the Zindra Alliance group Sunday evening and to anyone that needs it Monday morning before or at the community meeting.

3.Ginette's Exploring Zindra Flickr Group: Inworld Slideshow presentation.

a. What Item is delivered upon touching the slideshow?

b. Is the contenbt of the slideshow PG so it can be distributed everywhere?

c. Besides Podyan, specifically where outside of Zindra will the slideshow be placed?

d. Why does the Flickr slide show kiosks only show photos from Ginettes flickr and why does IT not give age verification info and an LM for a Zindra Gateway? - colleen Criss

4. Ginette's Island Maze Proposal

Recap: Art Maze 2011 is a proposal I have had available for review, for months, and I have assembled a team already (there are 8 of us so far with room for more!). I've talked it up in the arts community (which is a very lucrative part of SL) and interest seems high. I believe it's a natural idea that appeals to many categories and will be high-profile enough and inclusive enough to reach far outside Zindra and attract attention. I think that involving the Arts is great way to crossover into a large market. Art Maze seems to have instant appeal to anyone I've spoken with.

QUESTIONS:

1. Will there be adult content in the Maze: ANSWER: YES/ With adult content in the Maze - SPECIFICALLY, how will this event be advertised AND SUPPORTED BY LINDEN LAB outside of Zindra with adult content involved in it?

2. Will outside people be allowed to present artwork in this event that takes place in Zindra? ANSWER:YES - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further.

3. Can anyone participate? ANSWER: No. the 'team' that is volunteering to run this event will hand-pick the artists. - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further.

Blondin did not verbally approve this event to move forward and allow this 'team' to take over these 3 Linden Sims in Zindra in the name of the ZIndra Community. Guidelines must be discussed and accepted. Proposal here: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011

5. Ginette's Zindra Mentor Team

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: In light of this topic, I'd like to propose that we form a special Zindra Mentor Team. This will be a brainstorming team with the following mission: To think of as many ideas as possible, and develop them into actual proposals, for programs that connect with existing SL Mentor programs OR are new Zindra Mentor programs.

6. Ginette's Zindra Brainstorming Team Proposal

[11:46] Blondin Linden: * Zindra Mentor Team: proposal to form team to brainstorm mentor ideas http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team

"Ratatosk Independent has written a beautiful piece (see article at http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team) that outlines the problems and proposes possible solutions, related to the absence of Mentor programs for Zindra."

7. Blondin proposes what we do when he is not available to attend the meetings

[11:53] Blondin Linden: If I cancel a meeting, please do feel free to have a meeting. The meeting may want to be cut in half to 30 minutes but since the agenda is up on the wiki, I think if you just stick to the clock, you can forward me any notes afterwards.

[11:57] Blondin Linden: no, if Im not going to make it to a meeting, Ill work on asking someone to keep their eye ont he clock and make sure agenda items are hit Who will this 'clock watcher' be and how will they be chosen?

== 8. Guest Speakers ==

Although Ginette already had a guest seaker at our Oct. 15th meeting, we can take a few minutes and start defining a system to book guest speakers. Since we have two weeks of speakers booked - we can take our time and discuss this.

Zindran colleen Criss has arranged for Krystal Devonshire and wyn nightly of NCI to speak at the Oct. 25th Community Meeting in Bronlen at 11:30 AM. They will tealk to us about NCI's presence in Zindra and inform us where all of their locations are.

The following week we have the founder of MENTORS GONE WILD, Heaven Lacey will speak to the Zindra Community about their activities in Zindra. This will take place Monday, November 1st at 11:30 AM

9. Zindra discussions and planning sessions on SUNDAYS at the Commercial Event Specialists office located in Yedboro.

CES is a FREE Public Relations and Marketing event firm developed to serve the needs of the Zindra business owner. We offer (FOR FREE) traffic-enhancing events on your parcel, press release writing and distribution. Commercial shoots and publishing (in SL magazines and books) of your business and web publications of slurls to your business at http://www.zindracommunities.com.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND THESE SUNDAY MEETINGS AT 11AM. EVERY WEEK. CES is located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Yedboro/7/125/39/

Join the open enrollment group ZINDRA ALLIANCE to get notices about the meetings and add to the discussion.

*This meeting on Sunday is just for information only. Nothing is needed from Linden Lab for us to have these meetings, develop events to take place within Zindra and market said events within Zindra and on parcels resident's own outside of Zindra (the most important thing to get the un-verified aware of Zindra). The meeting report will be made available every Sunday by 6PM SL time at the CES office, posted to the Zindra Alliance group and a link to the minutes online sent to the ZEXPO group.

10. Age Verification Kiosks in the Mainland Infohubs

Why are the age verification kiosks NOT out at all info hubs? - colleen Criss

In February I did send a TICKET into the Second Life Help center and recieved a positive rely from Blondin throught that system in March of this year. But, to date, we have not moved forward on placing these kiosks. We seem to be spending quite a bit of eberegy on these ohoto kiosks (that have adult images in them and cannot be placed in the infohubs outside of Zindra) Instead of just getting these G-rated adult verification Kiosks in place and do something positive about the serach firewall that hides Zindra Business from over 90% of new and old players in Secopnd Life.

Here is the ticket information from March

to "liasleandros@gmail.com"

date Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:26 AM

subject Ticket #4051-7418803: Sent Final Resolution (Adult Verification Centers in Infohubs and Welcome areas)

Ticket Information:

Ticket #: 4051-7418803 Date Created: 2/24/2010 9:00 PM PDT Details: MAINLAND INFOHUBS AND WELCOME AREAS NEED TO HAVE ADULT VERIFICATION CENTERS INSTALLED Since these areas have thousands of people moving through them daily, this is the most effectve way to increased awareness of Zindra. I hope that this can be arranged by March 16th in time to advertise the Zindra Adult Expo properly.

Please let me know so we can get builders to pull together networked prototypes that can be chosen from for this purpose.

RESPONSE TO TICKET

Hi Lias,

Unfortunately, we don't have the bandwidth internally to accomplish this. If you wanted to build out a kiosk, I could help place them around the infohubs but keep in mind, all content and images would need to be as close to PG as possible.

-Blondin

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So he said we cannot have NETWORKED Kiosks (for easy updating) but we can have stand-alone kiosks in the mainland infohubs outside of Zindra. We need to move forward on this.Italic text

A notice was sent out to the ZA group to see if anyone has a kiosk design (non-networked, low prim) that can be used as the Adult verification Kiosk Blondin can place in the mature and PG Infohubs and welcome areas on the mainland.

Ericc Carter said: hi Lias, just FYI in case you didnt know, regarding the verification hubs mentioned in your notice, it's not exactly a verification hub but yesterday I was surprised to see a Zindra poster/something in the hub in Violet region, it's there at the landing point

That is a good sign.

11. What is the purpose of the Zindra Expo group?

I ask that Blondin clearly states the purpose of this group and clarifies if it is indeed a Linden led community group. If it is not a community group, this must be reflected both in the group charter and how this group is handled. The original purpose of the group was a pure, once off event group. - Counter Landfall