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|<font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b></font> | |<font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#00b258><b>Crimson Wytchwood</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b></font> | ||
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|<font color=# | |<font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b></font> | ||
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|<font color=# | |<font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b></font> | ||
|<font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b></font> | |<font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#4c0099><b>KayTee Haustraun</b></font> | ||
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|<font color=# | |<font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#004c99><b>Liisa Runo</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b></font> | ||
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|<font color=# | |<font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#009999><b>Plastic Duck</b></font> | ||
|<font color=# | |<font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b></font> | ||
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|<font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b></font> | |||
|<font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b></font> | |||
|<font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b></font> | |||
|- | |- | ||
|<font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b></font> | |<font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b></font> | ||
| | |<font color=#b25800><b>Stickman Resident</b></font> | ||
|} | |} | ||
== Transcript == | == Transcript == | ||
[16:02] <font color=# | [16:02] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Look who calls me "furry"! =^_^=</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:02] <font color=# | [16:02] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Hey Andrew!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:02] <font color=# | [16:02] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hi andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:02] <font color=# | [16:02] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: helo</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:02] <font color=# | [16:02] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: Welcome Andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:02] <font color=# | [16:02] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Welcome Andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:02] <font color=# | [16:02] <font color=#00b258><b>Crimson Wytchwood</b><nowiki>: Hello Andrew :)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Hello</nowiki></font> | [16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Hello</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=# | [16:03] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Andrew we always land in the water from the slurl in the wiki.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=# | [16:03] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Hey andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=# | [16:03] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: so we are clean</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=# | [16:03] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: and anyone I've missed</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=# | [16:03] <font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b><nowiki>: hi hi</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Ok I'll try to check the slurl</nowiki></font> | [16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Ok I'll try to check the slurl</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=# | [16:03] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Allo all</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=# | [16:03] <font color=#b25800><b>Stickman Resident</b><nowiki>: And my alarm just went off. I forgot of a prior engagement. Hi Andrew, bye Andrew!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: last time I TP'ed directly with coordinates I ended up in the water too</nowiki></font> | [16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: last time I TP'ed directly with coordinates I ended up in the water too</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: dunno what is up with that</nowiki></font> | [16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: dunno what is up with that</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:04] <font color=# | [16:04] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Kinda used to be in water but sometimes I hear people swear.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:04] <font color=# | [16:04] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hey simon</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:04] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Hello everyone :)</nowiki></font> | [16:04] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Hello everyone :)</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ah good Simon made it</nowiki></font> | [16:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ah good Simon made it</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:04] <font color=# | [16:04] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Gday</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:04] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Got my new tires and made it back in time :)</nowiki></font> | [16:04] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Got my new tires and made it back in time :)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:05] <font color=# | [16:05] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Ah.. safe driving.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:05] <font color=# | [16:05] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: hello simon hello andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:05] <font color=# | [16:05] <font color=#00b258><b>Crimson Wytchwood</b><nowiki>: Hi Simon :)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: News for this week...</nowiki></font> | [16:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: News for this week...</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I've been working on misc stuff that won't be visible to the residents...</nowiki></font> | [16:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I've been working on misc stuff that won't be visible to the residents...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:06] <font color=# | [16:06] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: how was the hackathon?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I spent the first part of the week fixing little C++ warnings found by coverity (enterprise C++ analysis tool)</nowiki></font> | [16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I spent the first part of the week fixing little C++ warnings found by coverity (enterprise C++ analysis tool)</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: then spent the end of the week helping with the viewer Vistual Studio 2010 hackathon</nowiki></font> | [16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: then spent the end of the week helping with the viewer Vistual Studio 2010 hackathon</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:06] <font color=# | [16:06] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Sounds intriguing find anything pertinent</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:07] <font color=# | [16:07] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Was Coverity run on the viewer too?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: making 3rd party libs compile in VS2010 and our autobuild tool</nowiki></font> | [16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: making 3rd party libs compile in VS2010 and our autobuild tool</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes Jonathan, Coverity was run on the viewer</nowiki></font> | [16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes Jonathan, Coverity was run on the viewer</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:07] <font color=# | [16:07] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: ooh</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Monty Linden was doing some of the Covertry response work too.</nowiki></font> | [16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Monty Linden was doing some of the Covertry response work too.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:09] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I can't remember the details.</nowiki></font> | [16:09] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I can't remember the details.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:09] <font color=# | [16:09] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: How do you keep track of the flow with such an involved application</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:09] <font color=# | [16:09] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: greetings everybody</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:09] <font color=# | [16:09] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Oh Hiya Rex</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:10] <font color=# | [16:10] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Hey Rex</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Simon if you have any news go ahead.</nowiki></font> | [16:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Simon if you have any news go ahead.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I've got someone asking me questions in RL that need to be answered.</nowiki></font> | [16:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I've got someone asking me questions in RL that need to be answered.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:10] <font color=# | [16:10] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: A relative!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:11] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: No, I don't have anything to add</nowiki></font> | [16:11] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: No, I don't have anything to add</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:11] <font color=# | [16:11] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: hi krll, moundsa</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:11] <font color=# | [16:11] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: krull*</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:11] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I've been working on performance at the messaging level, and hope that work will get out in a week or two</nowiki></font> | [16:11] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I've been working on performance at the messaging level, and hope that work will get out in a week or two</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:11] <font color=# | [16:11] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: ;)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:12] <font color=# | [16:12] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: in that case simon any news on </nowiki>https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6769<nowiki> and related bugs?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:12] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: [#SVC-6769] Taking off part or all of a clothing/attachment set and then wearing another item often causes the the removed item(s) to reapear</nowiki></font> | [16:12] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: [#SVC-6769] Taking off part or all of a clothing/attachment set and then wearing another item often causes the the removed item(s) to reapear</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:13] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I don't have news on that, but I think Andrew was looking at it earlier this week</nowiki></font> | [16:13] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I don't have news on that, but I think Andrew was looking at it earlier this week</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:13] <font color=# | [16:13] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Is there any chance svc-378 could get some love?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:13] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378</font> | [16:13] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378</font> | ||
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[16:14] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I do know someone found some ugly behavior in the viewer ... it looks like it re-attaches everything when it logs into a region. I don't know the details, but it sounded like something bad added in the past to cover up some other error</nowiki></font> | [16:14] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I do know someone found some ugly behavior in the viewer ... it looks like it re-attaches everything when it logs into a region. I don't know the details, but it sounded like something bad added in the past to cover up some other error</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:14] <font color=# | [16:14] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: That could explain a few things</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:14] <font color=# | [16:14] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: that sounds unfun</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:14] <font color=# | [16:14] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Heee. Sooner or later, patches-on-patches become too thick B^)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:15] <font color=# | [16:15] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: possibly but yeah this is kinda annoying. i cant even change outfits without it anymore</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:15] <font color=# | [16:15] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: It can turn you into a funny mix of avatars actually, Draconis.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:15] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: that sounds like that bug I noticed in Aditi then could not reproduce on agni...</nowiki></font> | [16:15] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: that sounds like that bug I noticed in Aditi then could not reproduce on agni...</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:15] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah, that's the one</nowiki></font> | [16:15] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah, that's the one</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:16] <font color=# | [16:16] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: could that be a contributor to the bugs we're seeing andrew?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:16] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, could be.</nowiki></font> | [16:16] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, could be.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:16] <font color=# | [16:16] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: interesting !</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:16] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I haven't looked into why the viewer would ever call userUpdateAttachments() yet.</nowiki></font> | [16:16] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I haven't looked into why the viewer would ever call userUpdateAttachments() yet.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:17] <font color=# | [16:17] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: im surprised a server bug is in storm ^^</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:17] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I'm guessing at least one of the paths to that call is erroneous or unneeded.</nowiki></font> | [16:17] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I'm guessing at least one of the paths to that call is erroneous or unneeded.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:18] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: In the particular case I was seeing the call the viewer is making it unecessarily -- on login.</nowiki></font> | [16:18] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: In the particular case I was seeing the call the viewer is making it unecessarily -- on login.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:18] <font color=# | [16:18] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: hmmm</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:18] <font color=# | [16:18] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: could that also be a contributor to storm-526 then?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:19] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-526</font> | [16:19] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-526</font> | ||
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<font color=#808080><nowiki>[#STORM-526] Log out failure during Login causes loss of pending offers, including inventory</nowiki></font> | <font color=#808080><nowiki>[#STORM-526] Log out failure during Login causes loss of pending offers, including inventory</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:19] <font color=# | [16:19] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: that would explain why i start with no skin and everything has to rebake on login</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:19] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: When I noticed the bug it wasn't about attachments getting out of sync, but just that the viewer was doing something stupid.</nowiki></font> | [16:19] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: When I noticed the bug it wasn't about attachments getting out of sync, but just that the viewer was doing something stupid.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:20] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll try to remember it.</nowiki></font> | [16:20] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll try to remember it.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:20] <font color=# | [16:20] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Hmm</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:21] <font color=# | [16:21] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Did it have anything to do with land?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:21] <font color=# | [16:21] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: is anyone set to fix those problems with the viewer you found?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:21] <font color=# | [16:21] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Did we want doughnuts or crullers, maybe?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:21] <font color=# | [16:21] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: coffee or beer?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:21] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: | [16:21] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Draconis Neurocamg into the attachment problems next week</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Cinnamon buns with cheesy creamy icing sugar</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: if it is viewer problems we may fix it there, but we'd want to make the server resilient too</nowiki></font> | [16:22] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: if it is viewer problems we may fix it there, but we'd want to make the server resilient too</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:22] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: but I don't understand the source of the problem well enough yet</nowiki></font> | [16:22] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: but I don't understand the source of the problem well enough yet</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: it seems there is a lot of attachment failures on magnum</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: And Blue Mountain black, Krull?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#4c0099><b>KayTee Haustraun</b><nowiki>: Or just the icing itself</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes I remember what I was going to ask...</nowiki></font> | [16:22] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes I remember what I was going to ask...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i think it would make sense to make both as resilient as possible</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Could be</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: sigma its grid wide</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:22] <font color=# | [16:22] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: ask away and avoid awful alliteration andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=# | [16:23] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: ok, Cummere, can belive you</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=# | [16:23] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Alliterations are awesome.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=# | [16:23] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: Do these inventory issues include having two shapes showing as being worn?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I had joked with Richard Linden that maybe he needed to rewrite the animation system and he asked: "What does it need?"</nowiki></font> | [16:23] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I had joked with Richard Linden that maybe he needed to rewrite the animation system and he asked: "What does it need?"</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=# | [16:23] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: !!!!!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: so I figured I would forward the question to you guys to see what requests you had</nowiki></font> | [16:23] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: so I figured I would forward the question to you guys to see what requests you had</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=# | [16:23] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Stick will be kicking himself - one sec Andrew, let me try and get him back here.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=# | [16:23] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: actually, i feel like the animation system is very robust, but the client doesnt support all that is possible</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:23] <font color=# | [16:23] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: hands, please do something for hands</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: proper puppeteering, better bone/muscular control</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Syncing with avatar parts</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: and yeah hhands feet and facial</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Yes! Hands!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: direct upload of .anim files</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: I would like to be able to change the priority after an upload</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: And feet</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Priorities too!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Movement of lips.. even if you are not on voice. Would be very nice for singers on stage.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: facial its more or less ok, but hands, no way to control rhem</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yup, syncing of hands would be nice</nowiki></font> | [16:24] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yup, syncing of hands would be nice</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:24] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki> makes a list</nowiki></font> | [16:24] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki> makes a list</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: actually being able to change the priority is probably a good thing</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I had a conversation with Richard about that too ... there are lots of good ideas around</nowiki></font> | [16:24] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: I had a conversation with Richard about that too ... there are lots of good ideas around</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Feet for pedaling, too.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:24] <font color=# | [16:24] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: I often visit Theatre on the hill, where they do revues. Singing without lipsync looks awful.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: the ability to animate attachment points, i know its possible but requires viewer modification</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: only because it will allow corrections if for example you sit down and realise your AO competes with the sitting animation</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b><nowiki>: super imposable animations</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b><nowiki>: if that's a word lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Darn, stick is off at dinner.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#004c99><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: ability to LSL a joint(hand) to be locked to object rezzed in-world, For example to always place hand on the steering wheel of a car, no matter whta shape and size you are</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: superimposible or superimpossible?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:25] <font color=# | [16:25] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: And interacting animations between avatars.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:26] <font color=# | [16:26] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Official support system for deformations.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:26] <font color=# | [16:26] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: anything to five more control to lsl to deal with them</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:26] <font color=# | [16:26] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: there is no express-hand -em</nowiki></font> | ||
<font color=# | <font color=#0000b2><nowiki>te, so it is needed high priority with selected hand shape and this brekes the others anaims</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:26] <font color=# | [16:26] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: give*</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:26] <font color=# | [16:26] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: I think you cannot change the priority now because assets are immutable</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:26] <font color=# | [16:26] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Has anyone thought about hierarchical capability</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:26] <font color=# | [16:26] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: A joint for the toes, the neck, and accompanying attachment points.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:27] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yes, assets cannot be modified once written</nowiki></font> | [16:27] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yes, assets cannot be modified once written</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:27] <font color=# | [16:27] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Objects with stand-alone animations that do not require an avatar, so you can have an object itself animate.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:27] <font color=# | [16:27] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: that would be part of mesh sebastean</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:27] <font color=# | [16:27] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Using Puppeteer now.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:27] <font color=# | [16:27] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: I'd prefer it not be confined to mesh, though.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:28] <font color=# | [16:28] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: well need mesh and no more avats. Poor bots, they will dye soon</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:28] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ok thanks for that list</nowiki></font> | [16:28] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ok thanks for that list</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:28] <font color=# | [16:28] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Rien ne va plus? :-)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:28] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I wrote most of it down and will relay it to Richard.</nowiki></font> | [16:28] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I wrote most of it down and will relay it to Richard.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:28] <font color=# | [16:28] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: It would also be nice not to always have the sit animation when you sit on something... So that you can position/rotate an avi but not interfere with the standing anims</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=# | [16:29] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: If we ask around and get more suggestions, can we pass them on to you?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=# | [16:29] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Andrew, could Stickman send you a notecard?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=# | [16:29] <font color=#004c99><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: oh, one more, fix some of the defalt LL anims, like the gun hold for example. It still does the butt-peek glitch</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: However I know he doesn't have much time to work on animation, hence the reason I brought up the joke with him in the first place.</nowiki></font> | [16:29] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: However I know he doesn't have much time to work on animation, hence the reason I brought up the joke with him in the first place.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=# | [16:29] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Or an email, to relay to him?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I wasn't preprared to list everything that animations needed.</nowiki></font> | [16:29] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I wasn't preprared to list everything that animations needed.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=# | [16:29] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: He's at dinner at the moment, and I know he'll be kicking himself that he wasn't here.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Sure, Stickman can email me.</nowiki></font> | [16:29] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Sure, Stickman can email me.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:29] <font color=# | [16:29] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: its good that thought is even there</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:30] <font color=# | [16:30] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: by the way, can somthing be done on avat meshing ?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:30] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I dunno much about meshes for avatars.</nowiki></font> | [16:30] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I dunno much about meshes for avatars.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:30] <font color=# | [16:30] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: ok</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:30] <font color=# | [16:30] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Sigma: new avatar meshes will probably come at some point after mesh.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:30] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I thought we were working on that a little bit on the side.</nowiki></font> | [16:30] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I thought we were working on that a little bit on the side.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:30] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But don't know the status of it.</nowiki></font> | [16:30] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But don't know the status of it.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:30] <font color=# | [16:30] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: In </nowiki>http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Internal_Animations<nowiki> an internal animation is also still reported as "missing".</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:31] <font color=# | [16:31] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: tks Sebastian, would like to have some link to follow this</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:32] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'm supposed to publish these User Group transcripts.</nowiki></font> | [16:32] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'm supposed to publish these User Group transcripts.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:32] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll try to get up to date this weekend.</nowiki></font> | [16:32] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll try to get up to date this weekend.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:32] <font color=# | [16:32] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Someone might start an Animations Upgrade List Wiki page ...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:32] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: (along with all the other stuff I'm trying to get done then)</nowiki></font> | [16:32] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: (along with all the other stuff I'm trying to get done then)</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:32] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, I'd really like people to be able to just specify a walk animation (and others) and let the sim do the work</nowiki></font> | [16:32] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, I'd really like people to be able to just specify a walk animation (and others) and let the sim do the work</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:33] <font color=# | [16:33] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Being able to change the default animations used for avatar stats, per avatar, Kaluura? That's been requested for a while.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:33] <font color=# | [16:33] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i cant imagine how busy you must actually be andrew, these meetings are appretiated</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:33] <font color=# | [16:33] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: It would be so far better than overriders.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:33] <font color=# | [16:33] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: yes, agree , overides must cause a lot of load on servers and sims</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:33] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: AOs spend their time stopping default anims... That's stupid...</nowiki></font> | [16:33] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: AOs spend their time stopping default anims... That's stupid...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:34] <font color=# | [16:34] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Then again, removing the flight height limit would also be good ;)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:34] <font color=# | [16:34] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: yes simon that would be very nice</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:34] <font color=# | [16:34] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: well, flight heigh is nice for newbees, remeber my first days...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:34] <font color=# | [16:34] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: As long as we don't start to bounce upon the slightest jump like in OpenSim.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:34] <font color=# | [16:34] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:34] <font color=# | [16:34] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Open whaaaa?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:35] <font color=# | [16:35] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: You know, where physics appear to be absent. >:-)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:35] <font color=# | [16:35] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: I think the general consensus was that flight height would need to be a toggleable feature.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:35] <font color=# | [16:35] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: why not a gradient like flight limit ?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:35] <font color=# | [16:35] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Maybe defaulted on until 30 days old or some such</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: would anyone here complain if we removed the flight height limit?</nowiki></font> | [16:36] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: would anyone here complain if we removed the flight height limit?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: I would not.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: no</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: no</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Nope</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Nope!</nowiki></font> | [16:36] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Nope!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: i wouldn't</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Not at all.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: I would, lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Save me from wearing a flight feather</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Fewer script costs</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Save the sims from flight feathers</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: well, actually, it causes also a lot of lag for flight feathers</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: hehe</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: It might be hard to change after all these years.</nowiki></font> | [16:36] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: It might be hard to change after all these years.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:36] <font color=# | [16:36] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: well, i've got flight assist switched on in a hud anyways, but switching the flight height off would mean i could disable that feature</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=# | [16:37] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: well is there anythign disabling flight height would break?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=# | [16:37] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Flight feathers lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'd probably have to add a bit that allows estate owners to set the flight limit.</nowiki></font> | [16:37] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'd probably have to add a bit that allows estate owners to set the flight limit.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=# | [16:37] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: apart from banlines?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=# | [16:37] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=# | [16:37] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i remember a formal request to remove it a few months ago, the return from the linden side was that it would ruin immersion</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=# | [16:37] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Well, that would generally defeat the purpose I'd think.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:37] <font color=# | [16:37] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: sure that yes, but not for me specifically. Should be more asked arround, seems to me</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#4c0099><b>KayTee Haustraun</b><nowiki>: I actually had a question</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: You'd still have to have the flight feather script for sims that had it enabled.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: People always find ways around flight limits anyway</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hrm... maybe I could turn it into an option with a default setting, and then estate owners could turn it off</nowiki></font> | [16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hrm... maybe I could turn it into an option with a default setting, and then estate owners could turn it off</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Yes.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: that would be good</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: then eventually we could turn if off on the mainland</nowiki></font> | [16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: then eventually we could turn if off on the mainland</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: oh, yes put nit in sim console, would be nice</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#4c0099><b>KayTee Haustraun</b><nowiki>: Why doesn't everyone get their own last name anymore?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:38] <font color=# | [16:38] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: I remember flying on a prim in my first days. Thought it was clever... lol.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=# | [16:39] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Could it be defaulted so that sim owners had to turn it on and explain that it would cause less lag based on no need for flight assist scripts instead</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=# | [16:39] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: They use "usernames" now. If you want a last name, you would need to use a viewer that supports "Display Names" and change it.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=# | [16:39] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Or even use it as a training aid for new Residents - they could learn the first settings change by turning it off.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: KayTee that was part of the "Display Names" project -- there is only one last name available now</nowiki></font> | [16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: KayTee that was part of the "Display Names" project -- there is only one last name available now</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=# | [16:39] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: how often does the message template from the server get updated to the viewer end?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=# | [16:39] <font color=#4c0099><b>KayTee Haustraun</b><nowiki>: Why?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=# | [16:39] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: yes, Red, that is why I find this feature nice, and could have been used for PG questions rather than making new constinents</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Dunno actually, I wasn't part of the "Display Names" project.</nowiki></font> | [16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Dunno actually, I wasn't part of the "Display Names" project.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:39] <font color=# | [16:39] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: *continents</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:40] <font color=# | [16:40] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Well, there's still Linden, and Scout, but they're much harder to get B^)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:40] <font color=# | [16:40] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Yes Andrew, I need that server template pushed to the viewer code; a bugfix is waiting on it</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:40] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Draconis, we don't update the message template much at all these days.</nowiki></font> | [16:40] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Draconis, we don't update the message template much at all these days.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:40] <font color=# | [16:40] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: see jonathan*</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:40] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: oh... I documented the template change</nowiki></font> | [16:40] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: oh... I documented the template change</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:40] <font color=# | [16:40] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Andrew, I would be in favor of the default being "Off" but I would give scriptors a big notice of about 2 months at least, before release date, so that those who currently integrate flight feathers could make the transition.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:41] <font color=# | [16:41] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Still I see very young avatars with "normal" family names. So the registration API is still out there and using old style naming.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:41] <font color=# | [16:41] <font color=#4c0099><b>KayTee Haustraun</b><nowiki>: Last names make us unique. Everyone being named "Resident" makes us seem like we have no personality</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:41] <font color=# | [16:41] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: scripters*</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:41] <font color=# | [16:41] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: You only see "Resident" if you use a third-party viewer, or a viewer that doesn't support display names.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=# | [16:42] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: well, flight feather will be the same problem as resizing scripts, thre was a suggestion of being abble to brake them, but oposition because already sold at high price</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=# | [16:42] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: theres still some third party regapis that let you sign up with a last name, but they are few and far between</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=# | [16:42] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: Flight feathers are sold?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=# | [16:42] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: I would still like to be able to delete scripts from non mod items.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: No... It's free</nowiki></font> | [16:42] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: No... It's free</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=# | [16:42] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: If they are integrated into other products, yes.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=# | [16:42] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: lol, yes even these are sold</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:42] <font color=# | [16:42] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Some people write their own into things.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:43] <font color=# | [16:43] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: All I'm saying is, people would need plenty of notice, but I don't think anyone would mind. There aren't many people I know who don't wear a flight feather of some kind at all times.'</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:44] <font color=# | [16:44] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: i don't wear one</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:44] <font color=# | [16:44] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: is too laggy sometimes</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:44] <font color=# | [16:44] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: mine is integrated elsewhere</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:44] <font color=# | [16:44] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: I always have one on</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:44] <font color=# | [16:44] <font color=#00b258><b>Crimson Wytchwood</b><nowiki>: Me too</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:44] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Me too... Can't be switch off</nowiki></font> | [16:44] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Me too... Can't be switch off</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:44] <font color=# | [16:44] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: I need to bolt folks - got a dinner appointment this evening.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Take care all</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Night Sebastean</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Enjoy Sebastean!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: by Sebast</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: is very easy to turn off. detach it:)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b><nowiki>: bye Seb :)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: tc</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Cya. Enjoy the meal!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Good quality of hay I hope.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#00b200><b>Sebastean Steamweaver</b><nowiki>: Thanks! Red Lobster ;)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Can we talk about </nowiki>https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378<nowiki> for a few moments?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: [#SVC-378] Role 'Everyone' in new groups should not have ability "Pay group liabilities and receive group dividends"</nowiki></font> | [16:45] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: [#SVC-378] Role 'Everyone' in new groups should not have ability "Pay group liabilities and receive group dividends"</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:45] <font color=# | [16:45] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: seems indeed a good change to do</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Sure Jonathan.</nowiki></font> | [16:46] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Sure Jonathan.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=# | [16:46] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Ahh yes the defaulted new member settings</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=# | [16:46] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Any chance of that getting some attention in one of the misc. fixes you do?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki> opens the jira...</nowiki></font> | [16:46] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki> opens the jira...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=# | [16:46] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: I actually ran into that one when we sold land. :-p</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Are both of those things an issue, or just one?</nowiki></font> | [16:46] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Are both of those things an issue, or just one?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=# | [16:46] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: One of my alts now has a balance of L$-10</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: hehehe</nowiki></font> | [16:46] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: hehehe</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=# | [16:46] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: My group was sending L$5000 to all members.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:46] <font color=# | [16:46] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Oh my</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: uch</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: What group was that?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: We all will join</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: 5k? what group:)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: since it is just a default seting, it is not dificult to change it. But there also some months are neede to inform some groups, seems to me</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: hehe</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: I fixed it after 3 members said thank you for it.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: I think the idea is to change it for only new groups</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Not to touch existing groups</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: the time I can join Red"s group, hehe</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Yes</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Yah, least impact that way.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:47] <font color=# | [16:47] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: to have that on as a default is silly</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: I agree</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Well it's not logical</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: It is more than silly, you can lose money</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Also you shouldn't be tricked into being responsible for payment in all those groups that shops try to make you a member of.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah that is an old issue. Lots of comments.</nowiki></font> | [16:48] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah that is an old issue. Lots of comments.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Sure, it's Boolean B^)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Boolean Shit :-)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: I know many group whose dividends are negative</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:48] <font color=# | [16:48] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: ive seen it used to scam people</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:49] <font color=# | [16:49] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: so, it neraly required to do this change</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:49] <font color=# | [16:49] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Nigerian group membership letters... lol.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:49] <font color=# | [16:49] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: rofl</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:49] <font color=# | [16:49] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:49] <font color=# | [16:49] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: surprised zfire hasnt taken advantage of this yet ...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Should be a blue popup warning you'll be "Subject to group Liabilities if you join this group."</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Yes!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: definately</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Ditto!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Even a yellow one...</nowiki></font> | [16:50] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Even a yellow one...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: yes, but would you know what that means?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: u also need to know how much liability u r talking about:)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:50] <font color=# | [16:50] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: And wehn it's set on, all group members get a message saying so.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:51] <font color=# | [16:51] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: maybe "money may automatically be taken from your account"</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:51] <font color=# | [16:51] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: If it says Money will be taken every week in big bold red letters with and OK-Cancel window maybe</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:51] <font color=# | [16:51] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Well, anything to lessen the abuse incidence.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:51] <font color=# | [16:51] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: groups have so many optins, that providing all the informations needed maybe tedious</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:51] <font color=# | [16:51] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: It must be a moderate issue for the support people "where did my money go?"</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki> wonders who to talk to get an approval of that bug...</nowiki></font> | [16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki> wonders who to talk to get an approval of that bug...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:52] <font color=# | [16:52] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: cant say it nhere, lol,</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:52] <font color=# | [16:52] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: ive seen group owners buy a parcel of land then divide it up into 16m^2 parcels and then buy it for the group on an alt</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I suspect it is very easy to make the change... once we figured out where it was to be done.</nowiki></font> | [16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I suspect it is very easy to make the change... once we figured out where it was to be done.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:52] <font color=# | [16:52] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Probably in some template setting file</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: That is, not a lot of code changes.</nowiki></font> | [16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: That is, not a lot of code changes.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:53] <font color=# | [16:53] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Andrew, do you agree it is a good idea?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:53] <font color=# | [16:53] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: To avoid potential fraud, what if taking money from group members was only available to residents with payment info on file</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:53] <font color=# | [16:53] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Yah, like my marketing people have said - "All yo need to do is add a button." B^D</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:54] <font color=# | [16:54] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: As it is now anyone can create a group</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:54] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: We'd probably have to make sure a bunch of other LL folks agreed, but it doesn't sound like that would be too hard to do</nowiki></font> | [16:54] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: We'd probably have to make sure a bunch of other LL folks agreed, but it doesn't sound like that would be too hard to do</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:54] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I *guess* it is a good idea. My opinion is swayed by the popular sentiment in this case</nowiki></font> | [16:54] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I *guess* it is a good idea. My opinion is swayed by the popular sentiment in this case</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:54] <font color=# | [16:54] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: But more likely a single change from 1 to 0 hidden deep in a source file not touched for years.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:54] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: because I really don't *use* groups myself.</nowiki></font> | [16:54] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: because I really don't *use* groups myself.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:55] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: hmm, maybe we can start one for this User Group and see how that can be abused...</nowiki></font> | [16:55] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: hmm, maybe we can start one for this User Group and see how that can be abused...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=# | [16:55] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Some people use groups heavily and drill down into the details</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: err, I mean, how the feature works</nowiki></font> | [16:55] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: err, I mean, how the feature works</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=# | [16:55] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I asked one LL dev who is sitting nearby and he was surprised that it does not work the way you all want it to work.</nowiki></font> | [16:55] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I asked one LL dev who is sitting nearby and he was surprised that it does not work the way you all want it to work.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=# | [16:55] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: hahaha</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=# | [16:55] <font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b><nowiki>: :)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=# | [16:55] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Oh, is ther an actual User Group for us to join now?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:55] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Not that I know of, I'm just making this up</nowiki></font> | [16:55] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Not that I know of, I'm just making this up</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: hehe</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: andrew i would be glad to demonstrate it for all the lindens that need convincing</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: beta group</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki> grins evilly</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Everything is virtual at some level, Simon B^)</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: <-- THinks about a new group</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: you mean i'm not real moundsa?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=# | [16:56] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: :P</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:56] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: No Cummere, probably not a good idea to campaign too hard.</nowiki></font> | [16:56] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: No Cummere, probably not a good idea to campaign too hard.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: fraud group, hehe</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: rofl</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Anti Fraud group :P</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#009999><b>Plastic Duck</b><nowiki>: it does add up, I have alts that are over 10,000L in debt from random group fees</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: too many alts?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I'll ask around to see what other people think, and to see if I can find the people who are stakeholders in the group feature set.</nowiki></font> | [16:57] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But I'll ask around to see what other people think, and to see if I can find the people who are stakeholders in the group feature set.</nowiki></font> | ||
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[16:57] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Too many groups...</nowiki></font> | [16:57] <font color=#b20058><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Too many groups...</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: >.> i was just going to make a linden fan group invite lindens and then um... you know buy a 20million linden plot of ground from myself >.></nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: beta fraud sounds nice</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: God I could create a thousand alts and sign them all up and be rich!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:57] <font color=# | [16:57] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: But where did that non-existent money go?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:58] <font color=# | [16:58] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: I have been frauded by a no existing anymore avat, so I knwo where it went</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:58] <font color=# | [16:58] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki> is kidding btw</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:58] <font color=#808080><b>SL Bear Gun</b><nowiki>: Bear's away!</nowiki></font> | [16:58] <font color=#808080><b>SL Bear Gun</b><nowiki>: Bear's away!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:58] <font color=# | [16:58] <font color=#009999><b>Plastic Duck</b><nowiki>: it goes to Linden I think, it's just the search fee right?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:58] <font color=#808080><b>SL Bear Gun</b><nowiki>: Cease fire!</nowiki></font> | [16:58] <font color=#808080><b>SL Bear Gun</b><nowiki>: Cease fire!</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:58] <font color=# | [16:58] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: search fees land tiers etc</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:59] <font color=# | [16:59] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Any plans for setting reasonable settings on abandoned land yet?</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:59] <font color=# | [16:59] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: That whole system should be rethought, but at least changing this would help</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:59] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes there are plans on that RedMokum.</nowiki></font> | [16:59] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes there are plans on that RedMokum.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:59] <font color=# | [16:59] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: I found a huge working shop on a 16384m2 parcel that was abandoned.</nowiki></font> | ||
[16:59] <font color=# | [16:59] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: well, goods sold by baned avatars are not destructed, that is a problem, can make fraud to continue</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:00] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I had Guy Linden write up the specs for what he thought should be done for abandoned land.</nowiki></font> | [17:00] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I had Guy Linden write up the specs for what he thought should be done for abandoned land.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:00] <font color=# | [17:00] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Ah great!</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:00] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: And that item is on my backlog.</nowiki></font> | [17:00] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: And that item is on my backlog.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:00] <font color=# | [17:00] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Saves him a whole backload as well.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:01] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, I think that if I could get that done then Guy's time would open up and he could do other stuff.</nowiki></font> | [17:01] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, I think that if I could get that done then Guy's time would open up and he could do other stuff.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:01] <font color=# | [17:01] <font color=#009999><b>Plastic Duck</b><nowiki>: the original system where the land became public and we had to find it ourselves was genuinely fun</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:01] <font color=# | [17:01] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: Andrew, also money taking primls are a problem, seems to me</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:01] <font color=# | [17:01] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Very strange that "payment" to objects can still be active on abandoned land.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:01] <font color=# | [17:01] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: But seen lots of them this week.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:01] <font color=# | [17:01] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Heh. One friend is being repeatedly spammed by a security orb belonging to an account no loger in Search | People from a shop a region and 290m away.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:01] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ok sorry everyone, but I have to head out so I can be somewhere on time</nowiki></font> | [17:01] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ok sorry everyone, but I have to head out so I can be somewhere on time</nowiki></font> | ||
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[17:02] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: and thanks for coming</nowiki></font> | [17:02] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: and thanks for coming</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: ok, thanks a lot</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Moundsa, can't they mute it?</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#0058b2><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: take care andrew and simon</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Good weekend.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#b200b2><b>RedMokum Bravin</b><nowiki>: Thanks for your time.</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Thanks andrew have a good weekend</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b><nowiki>: yes, have a good weekend :)</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: Thanks for your time, Andrew!</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: good we all</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#58b200><b>Moon Metty</b><nowiki>: and thanks for the meeting</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#000099><b>Griefer Evermore</b><nowiki>: cya Andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Thanks all for coming and the good ideas</nowiki></font> | [17:02] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Thanks all for coming and the good ideas</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#99004c><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: thanks you simon an andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#00b258><b>Crimson Wytchwood</b><nowiki>: Thank you Anrew and Simon ..</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: tc andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#b2b200><b>Moundsa Mayo</b><nowiki>: And Simon, thanks to you too!</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#b20000><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: tc and ty simon and andrew?</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#00b258><b>Crimson Wytchwood</b><nowiki>: *Andrew</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: tc simon</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#0000b2><b>Sigma Avro</b><nowiki>: both thanks</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#990099><b>Rex Cronon</b><nowiki>: tc everybody</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Bye everyone, see you next week</nowiki></font> | [17:02] <font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b><nowiki>: Bye everyone, see you next week</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:02] <font color=# | [17:02] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Krull Quar</b><nowiki>: Anyone up for a new group membership</nowiki></font> | ||
[17:03] <font color=# | [17:03] <font color=#009999><b>Plastic Duck</b><nowiki>: cya</nowiki></font> |
Revision as of 19:45, 9 March 2011
List of Speakers
Andrew Linden | Crimson Wytchwood | Cummere Mayo |
DogWomble Dollinger | Draconis Neurocam | Griefer Evermore |
Jonathan Yap | Kaluura Boa | KayTee Haustraun |
Krull Quar | Liisa Runo | Moon Metty |
Moundsa Mayo | Plastic Duck | RedMokum Bravin |
Rex Cronon | Sebastean Steamweaver | Sigma Avro |
Simon Linden | Stickman Resident |
Transcript
[16:02] Kaluura Boa: Look who calls me "furry"! =^_^=
[16:02] RedMokum Bravin: Hey Andrew!
[16:02] DogWomble Dollinger: hi andrew
[16:02] Sigma Avro: helo
[16:02] Draconis Neurocam: Welcome Andrew
[16:02] Krull Quar: Welcome Andrew
[16:02] Crimson Wytchwood: Hello Andrew :)
[16:03] Andrew Linden: Hello
[16:03] RedMokum Bravin: Andrew we always land in the water from the slurl in the wiki.
[16:03] Sebastean Steamweaver: Hey andrew
[16:03] Sigma Avro: so we are clean
[16:03] Sebastean Steamweaver: and anyone I've missed
[16:03] Moon Metty: hi hi
[16:03] Andrew Linden: Ok I'll try to check the slurl
[16:03] Moundsa Mayo: Allo all
[16:03] Stickman Resident: And my alarm just went off. I forgot of a prior engagement. Hi Andrew, bye Andrew!
[16:03] Andrew Linden: last time I TP'ed directly with coordinates I ended up in the water too
[16:03] Andrew Linden: dunno what is up with that
[16:04] RedMokum Bravin: Kinda used to be in water but sometimes I hear people swear.
[16:04] DogWomble Dollinger: hey simon
[16:04] Simon Linden: Hello everyone :)
[16:04] Andrew Linden: ah good Simon made it
[16:04] Krull Quar: Gday
[16:04] Simon Linden: Got my new tires and made it back in time :)
[16:05] RedMokum Bravin: Ah.. safe driving.
[16:05] Cummere Mayo: hello simon hello andrew
[16:05] Crimson Wytchwood: Hi Simon :)
[16:05] Andrew Linden: News for this week...
[16:05] Andrew Linden: I've been working on misc stuff that won't be visible to the residents...
[16:06] Draconis Neurocam: how was the hackathon?
[16:06] Andrew Linden: I spent the first part of the week fixing little C++ warnings found by coverity (enterprise C++ analysis tool)
[16:06] Andrew Linden: then spent the end of the week helping with the viewer Vistual Studio 2010 hackathon
[16:06] Krull Quar: Sounds intriguing find anything pertinent
[16:07] Jonathan Yap: Was Coverity run on the viewer too?
[16:07] Andrew Linden: making 3rd party libs compile in VS2010 and our autobuild tool
[16:07] Andrew Linden: Yes Jonathan, Coverity was run on the viewer
[16:07] Draconis Neurocam: ooh
[16:07] Andrew Linden: Monty Linden was doing some of the Covertry response work too.
[16:08] Andrew Linden: No, I haven't found anything very interesting in the Coverity warnings yet.
[16:08] Andrew Linden: Real bugs, but most of them were not being tickled for various reaons.
[16:08] Andrew Linden: reasons
[16:08] Andrew Linden: I think I found one that *might* have caused some real damage (crashes or corrupt info) in some very rare cases.
[16:09] Andrew Linden: But I can't remember the details.
[16:09] Krull Quar: How do you keep track of the flow with such an involved application
[16:09] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
[16:09] Krull Quar: Oh Hiya Rex
[16:10] Moundsa Mayo: Hey Rex
[16:10] Andrew Linden: Simon if you have any news go ahead.
[16:10] Andrew Linden: I've got someone asking me questions in RL that need to be answered.
[16:10] Sebastean Steamweaver: A relative!
[16:11] Simon Linden: No, I don't have anything to add
[16:11] Rex Cronon: hi krll, moundsa
[16:11] Rex Cronon: krull*
[16:11] Simon Linden: I've been working on performance at the messaging level, and hope that work will get out in a week or two
[16:11] Krull Quar: ;)
[16:12] Cummere Mayo: in that case simon any news on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6769 and related bugs?
[16:12] JIRA-helper: [#SVC-6769] Taking off part or all of a clothing/attachment set and then wearing another item often causes the the removed item(s) to reapear
[16:13] Simon Linden: I don't have news on that, but I think Andrew was looking at it earlier this week
[16:13] Jonathan Yap: Is there any chance svc-378 could get some love?
[16:13] JIRA-helper: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378
[#SVC-378] Role 'Everyone' in new groups should not have ability "Pay group liabilities and receive group dividends"
[16:14] Simon Linden: I do know someone found some ugly behavior in the viewer ... it looks like it re-attaches everything when it logs into a region. I don't know the details, but it sounded like something bad added in the past to cover up some other error
[16:14] Krull Quar: That could explain a few things
[16:14] Draconis Neurocam: that sounds unfun
[16:14] Moundsa Mayo: Heee. Sooner or later, patches-on-patches become too thick B^)
[16:15] Cummere Mayo: possibly but yeah this is kinda annoying. i cant even change outfits without it anymore
[16:15] RedMokum Bravin: It can turn you into a funny mix of avatars actually, Draconis.
[16:15] Andrew Linden: that sounds like that bug I noticed in Aditi then could not reproduce on agni...
[16:15] Andrew Linden: STORM-958 or something like that
[16:15] JIRA-helper: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-958
[#STORM-958] LLAgentWearables::userUpdateAttachments() is unecessarily expensive server-side
[16:15] Andrew Linden: yeah, that's the one
[16:16] Cummere Mayo: could that be a contributor to the bugs we're seeing andrew?
[16:16] Andrew Linden: Yes, could be.
[16:16] Sigma Avro: interesting !
[16:16] Andrew Linden: I haven't looked into why the viewer would ever call userUpdateAttachments() yet.
[16:17] Cummere Mayo: im surprised a server bug is in storm ^^
[16:17] Andrew Linden: But I'm guessing at least one of the paths to that call is erroneous or unneeded.
[16:18] Andrew Linden: In the particular case I was seeing the call the viewer is making it unecessarily -- on login.
[16:18] Cummere Mayo: hmmm
[16:18] Cummere Mayo: could that also be a contributor to storm-526 then?
[16:19] JIRA-helper: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-526
[#STORM-526] Log out failure during Login causes loss of pending offers, including inventory
[16:19] Draconis Neurocam: that would explain why i start with no skin and everything has to rebake on login
[16:19] Andrew Linden: When I noticed the bug it wasn't about attachments getting out of sync, but just that the viewer was doing something stupid.
[16:19] Andrew Linden: No, I don't think it is related to -526
[16:20] Andrew Linden: Ok, so the discussion is open....
[16:20] Andrew Linden: hrm... I had something I wanted to ask you guys.
[16:20] Andrew Linden: I'll try to remember it.
[16:20] Sebastean Steamweaver: Hmm
[16:21] Sebastean Steamweaver: Did it have anything to do with land?
[16:21] Draconis Neurocam: is anyone set to fix those problems with the viewer you found?
[16:21] Moundsa Mayo: Did we want doughnuts or crullers, maybe?
[16:21] DogWomble Dollinger: coffee or beer?
[16:21] Andrew Linden: Draconis Neurocamg into the attachment problems next week
[16:22] Krull Quar: Cinnamon buns with cheesy creamy icing sugar
[16:22] Andrew Linden: if it is viewer problems we may fix it there, but we'd want to make the server resilient too
[16:22] Andrew Linden: but I don't understand the source of the problem well enough yet
[16:22] Sigma Avro: it seems there is a lot of attachment failures on magnum
[16:22] Moundsa Mayo: And Blue Mountain black, Krull?
[16:22] KayTee Haustraun: Or just the icing itself
[16:22] Andrew Linden: Yes I remember what I was going to ask...
[16:22] Draconis Neurocam: i think it would make sense to make both as resilient as possible
[16:22] Krull Quar: Could be
[16:22] Cummere Mayo: sigma its grid wide
[16:22] DogWomble Dollinger: ask away and avoid awful alliteration andrew
[16:23] Sigma Avro: ok, Cummere, can belive you
[16:23] Sebastean Steamweaver: Alliterations are awesome.
[16:23] Griefer Evermore: Do these inventory issues include having two shapes showing as being worn?
[16:23] Andrew Linden: I had joked with Richard Linden that maybe he needed to rewrite the animation system and he asked: "What does it need?"
[16:23] Sebastean Steamweaver: !!!!!
[16:23] Andrew Linden: so I figured I would forward the question to you guys to see what requests you had
[16:23] Sebastean Steamweaver: Stick will be kicking himself - one sec Andrew, let me try and get him back here.
[16:23] Draconis Neurocam: actually, i feel like the animation system is very robust, but the client doesnt support all that is possible
[16:23] Sigma Avro: hands, please do something for hands
[16:24] Cummere Mayo: proper puppeteering, better bone/muscular control
[16:24] Moundsa Mayo: Syncing with avatar parts
[16:24] Cummere Mayo: and yeah hhands feet and facial
[16:24] Kaluura Boa: Yes! Hands!
[16:24] Draconis Neurocam: direct upload of .anim files
[16:24] Jonathan Yap: I would like to be able to change the priority after an upload
[16:24] Sebastean Steamweaver: And feet
[16:24] Kaluura Boa: Priorities too!
[16:24] RedMokum Bravin: Movement of lips.. even if you are not on voice. Would be very nice for singers on stage.
[16:24] Sigma Avro: facial its more or less ok, but hands, no way to control rhem
[16:24] Andrew Linden: yup, syncing of hands would be nice
[16:24] Andrew Linden makes a list
[16:24] DogWomble Dollinger: actually being able to change the priority is probably a good thing
[16:24] Simon Linden: I had a conversation with Richard about that too ... there are lots of good ideas around
[16:24] Moundsa Mayo: Feet for pedaling, too.
[16:24] RedMokum Bravin: I often visit Theatre on the hill, where they do revues. Singing without lipsync looks awful.
[16:25] Draconis Neurocam: the ability to animate attachment points, i know its possible but requires viewer modification
[16:25] DogWomble Dollinger: only because it will allow corrections if for example you sit down and realise your AO competes with the sitting animation
[16:25] Moon Metty: super imposable animations
[16:25] Moon Metty: if that's a word lol
[16:25] Sebastean Steamweaver: Darn, stick is off at dinner.
[16:25] Liisa Runo: ability to LSL a joint(hand) to be locked to object rezzed in-world, For example to always place hand on the steering wheel of a car, no matter whta shape and size you are
[16:25] DogWomble Dollinger: superimposible or superimpossible?
[16:25] Moundsa Mayo: And interacting animations between avatars.
[16:26] Sebastean Steamweaver: Official support system for deformations.
[16:26] Draconis Neurocam: anything to five more control to lsl to deal with them
[16:26] Sigma Avro: there is no express-hand -em
te, so it is needed high priority with selected hand shape and this brekes the others anaims
[16:26] Draconis Neurocam: give*
[16:26] Jonathan Yap: I think you cannot change the priority now because assets are immutable
[16:26] Krull Quar: Has anyone thought about hierarchical capability
[16:26] Sebastean Steamweaver: A joint for the toes, the neck, and accompanying attachment points.
[16:27] Andrew Linden: yes, assets cannot be modified once written
[16:27] Sebastean Steamweaver: Objects with stand-alone animations that do not require an avatar, so you can have an object itself animate.
[16:27] Draconis Neurocam: that would be part of mesh sebastean
[16:27] RedMokum Bravin: Using Puppeteer now.
[16:27] Sebastean Steamweaver: I'd prefer it not be confined to mesh, though.
[16:28] Sigma Avro: well need mesh and no more avats. Poor bots, they will dye soon
[16:28] Andrew Linden: ok thanks for that list
[16:28] RedMokum Bravin: Rien ne va plus? :-)
[16:28] Andrew Linden: I wrote most of it down and will relay it to Richard.
[16:28] Kaluura Boa: It would also be nice not to always have the sit animation when you sit on something... So that you can position/rotate an avi but not interfere with the standing anims
[16:29] Griefer Evermore: If we ask around and get more suggestions, can we pass them on to you?
[16:29] Sebastean Steamweaver: Andrew, could Stickman send you a notecard?
[16:29] Liisa Runo: oh, one more, fix some of the defalt LL anims, like the gun hold for example. It still does the butt-peek glitch
[16:29] Andrew Linden: However I know he doesn't have much time to work on animation, hence the reason I brought up the joke with him in the first place.
[16:29] Sebastean Steamweaver: Or an email, to relay to him?
[16:29] Andrew Linden: But I wasn't preprared to list everything that animations needed.
[16:29] Sebastean Steamweaver: He's at dinner at the moment, and I know he'll be kicking himself that he wasn't here.
[16:29] Andrew Linden: Sure, Stickman can email me.
[16:29] Draconis Neurocam: its good that thought is even there
[16:30] Sigma Avro: by the way, can somthing be done on avat meshing ?
[16:30] Andrew Linden: I dunno much about meshes for avatars.
[16:30] Sigma Avro: ok
[16:30] Sebastean Steamweaver: Sigma: new avatar meshes will probably come at some point after mesh.
[16:30] Andrew Linden: I thought we were working on that a little bit on the side.
[16:30] Andrew Linden: But don't know the status of it.
[16:30] RedMokum Bravin: In http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Internal_Animations an internal animation is also still reported as "missing".
[16:31] Sigma Avro: tks Sebastian, would like to have some link to follow this
[16:32] Andrew Linden: I'm supposed to publish these User Group transcripts.
[16:32] Kaluura Boa: Talking about internal animations, an LSL way to replace them would be so niiiiice... To make all scripted or client AOs obsolete.
[16:32] Andrew Linden: I've been saving them, but need to find the time to actually publish them.
[16:32] Andrew Linden: I'll try to get up to date this weekend.
[16:32] Moundsa Mayo: Someone might start an Animations Upgrade List Wiki page ...
[16:32] Andrew Linden: (along with all the other stuff I'm trying to get done then)
[16:32] Simon Linden: Yes, I'd really like people to be able to just specify a walk animation (and others) and let the sim do the work
[16:33] Sebastean Steamweaver: Being able to change the default animations used for avatar stats, per avatar, Kaluura? That's been requested for a while.
[16:33] Draconis Neurocam: i cant imagine how busy you must actually be andrew, these meetings are appretiated
[16:33] Sebastean Steamweaver: It would be so far better than overriders.
[16:33] Sigma Avro: yes, agree , overides must cause a lot of load on servers and sims
[16:33] Kaluura Boa: AOs spend their time stopping default anims... That's stupid...
[16:34] Sebastean Steamweaver: Then again, removing the flight height limit would also be good ;)
[16:34] Draconis Neurocam: yes simon that would be very nice
[16:34] Sigma Avro: well, flight heigh is nice for newbees, remeber my first days...
[16:34] RedMokum Bravin: As long as we don't start to bounce upon the slightest jump like in OpenSim.
[16:34] Griefer Evermore: lol
[16:34] Moundsa Mayo: Open whaaaa?
[16:35] RedMokum Bravin: You know, where physics appear to be absent. >:-)
[16:35] Sebastean Steamweaver: I think the general consensus was that flight height would need to be a toggleable feature.
[16:35] Sigma Avro: why not a gradient like flight limit ?
[16:35] Moundsa Mayo: Maybe defaulted on until 30 days old or some such
[16:36] Andrew Linden: would anyone here complain if we removed the flight height limit?
[16:36] Sebastean Steamweaver: I would not.
[16:36] Draconis Neurocam: no
[16:36] Griefer Evermore: no
[16:36] Krull Quar: Nope
[16:36] Kaluura Boa: Nope!
[16:36] DogWomble Dollinger: i wouldn't
[16:36] RedMokum Bravin: Not at all.
[16:36] Sigma Avro: I would, lol
[16:36] Krull Quar: Save me from wearing a flight feather
[16:36] Krull Quar: Fewer script costs
[16:36] Sebastean Steamweaver: Save the sims from flight feathers
[16:36] Sigma Avro: well, actually, it causes also a lot of lag for flight feathers
[16:36] Krull Quar: hehe
[16:36] Andrew Linden: It might be hard to change after all these years.
[16:36] DogWomble Dollinger: well, i've got flight assist switched on in a hud anyways, but switching the flight height off would mean i could disable that feature
[16:37] DogWomble Dollinger: well is there anythign disabling flight height would break?
[16:37] Sebastean Steamweaver: Flight feathers lol
[16:37] Andrew Linden: I'd probably have to add a bit that allows estate owners to set the flight limit.
[16:37] Griefer Evermore: apart from banlines?
[16:37] Krull Quar: lol
[16:37] Draconis Neurocam: i remember a formal request to remove it a few months ago, the return from the linden side was that it would ruin immersion
[16:37] Sebastean Steamweaver: Well, that would generally defeat the purpose I'd think.
[16:37] Sigma Avro: sure that yes, but not for me specifically. Should be more asked arround, seems to me
[16:38] KayTee Haustraun: I actually had a question
[16:38] Sebastean Steamweaver: You'd still have to have the flight feather script for sims that had it enabled.
[16:38] Krull Quar: People always find ways around flight limits anyway
[16:38] Andrew Linden: hrm... maybe I could turn it into an option with a default setting, and then estate owners could turn it off
[16:38] Moundsa Mayo: Yes.
[16:38] Draconis Neurocam: that would be good
[16:38] Andrew Linden: then eventually we could turn if off on the mainland
[16:38] Sigma Avro: oh, yes put nit in sim console, would be nice
[16:38] KayTee Haustraun: Why doesn't everyone get their own last name anymore?
[16:38] RedMokum Bravin: I remember flying on a prim in my first days. Thought it was clever... lol.
[16:39] Krull Quar: Could it be defaulted so that sim owners had to turn it on and explain that it would cause less lag based on no need for flight assist scripts instead
[16:39] Sebastean Steamweaver: They use "usernames" now. If you want a last name, you would need to use a viewer that supports "Display Names" and change it.
[16:39] Moundsa Mayo: Or even use it as a training aid for new Residents - they could learn the first settings change by turning it off.
[16:39] Andrew Linden: KayTee that was part of the "Display Names" project -- there is only one last name available now
[16:39] Draconis Neurocam: how often does the message template from the server get updated to the viewer end?
[16:39] KayTee Haustraun: Why?
[16:39] Sigma Avro: yes, Red, that is why I find this feature nice, and could have been used for PG questions rather than making new constinents
[16:39] Andrew Linden: Dunno actually, I wasn't part of the "Display Names" project.
[16:39] Sigma Avro: *continents
[16:40] Moundsa Mayo: Well, there's still Linden, and Scout, but they're much harder to get B^)
[16:40] Jonathan Yap: Yes Andrew, I need that server template pushed to the viewer code; a bugfix is waiting on it
[16:40] Andrew Linden: Draconis, we don't update the message template much at all these days.
[16:40] Draconis Neurocam: see jonathan*
[16:40] Andrew Linden: oh... I documented the template change
[16:40] Sebastean Steamweaver: Andrew, I would be in favor of the default being "Off" but I would give scriptors a big notice of about 2 months at least, before release date, so that those who currently integrate flight feathers could make the transition.
[16:41] RedMokum Bravin: Still I see very young avatars with "normal" family names. So the registration API is still out there and using old style naming.
[16:41] KayTee Haustraun: Last names make us unique. Everyone being named "Resident" makes us seem like we have no personality
[16:41] Sebastean Steamweaver: scripters*
[16:41] Sebastean Steamweaver: You only see "Resident" if you use a third-party viewer, or a viewer that doesn't support display names.
[16:42] Sigma Avro: well, flight feather will be the same problem as resizing scripts, thre was a suggestion of being abble to brake them, but oposition because already sold at high price
[16:42] Draconis Neurocam: theres still some third party regapis that let you sign up with a last name, but they are few and far between
[16:42] Griefer Evermore: Flight feathers are sold?
[16:42] RedMokum Bravin: I would still like to be able to delete scripts from non mod items.
[16:42] Kaluura Boa: No... It's free
[16:42] Sebastean Steamweaver: If they are integrated into other products, yes.
[16:42] Sigma Avro: lol, yes even these are sold
[16:42] Sebastean Steamweaver: Some people write their own into things.
[16:43] Sebastean Steamweaver: All I'm saying is, people would need plenty of notice, but I don't think anyone would mind. There aren't many people I know who don't wear a flight feather of some kind at all times.'
[16:44] Rex Cronon: i don't wear one
[16:44] Rex Cronon: is too laggy sometimes
[16:44] Sigma Avro: mine is integrated elsewhere
[16:44] Krull Quar: I always have one on
[16:44] Crimson Wytchwood: Me too
[16:44] Kaluura Boa: Me too... Can't be switch off
[16:44] Sebastean Steamweaver: I need to bolt folks - got a dinner appointment this evening.
[16:45] Sebastean Steamweaver: Take care all
[16:45] Krull Quar: Night Sebastean
[16:45] RedMokum Bravin: Enjoy Sebastean!
[16:45] Sigma Avro: by Sebast
[16:45] Rex Cronon: is very easy to turn off. detach it:)
[16:45] Moon Metty: bye Seb :)
[16:45] Rex Cronon: tc
[16:45] Moundsa Mayo: Cya. Enjoy the meal!
[16:45] RedMokum Bravin: Good quality of hay I hope.
[16:45] Sebastean Steamweaver: Thanks! Red Lobster ;)
[16:45] Jonathan Yap: Can we talk about https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378 for a few moments?
[16:45] JIRA-helper: [#SVC-378] Role 'Everyone' in new groups should not have ability "Pay group liabilities and receive group dividends"
[16:45] Sigma Avro: seems indeed a good change to do
[16:46] Andrew Linden: Sure Jonathan.
[16:46] Krull Quar: Ahh yes the defaulted new member settings
[16:46] Jonathan Yap: Any chance of that getting some attention in one of the misc. fixes you do?
[16:46] Andrew Linden opens the jira...
[16:46] RedMokum Bravin: I actually ran into that one when we sold land. :-p
[16:46] Simon Linden: Are both of those things an issue, or just one?
[16:46] Jonathan Yap: One of my alts now has a balance of L$-10
[16:46] Kaluura Boa: hehehe
[16:46] RedMokum Bravin: My group was sending L$5000 to all members.
[16:46] Krull Quar: Oh my
[16:47] Cummere Mayo: uch
[16:47] Krull Quar: What group was that?
[16:47] Jonathan Yap: We all will join
[16:47] Rex Cronon: 5k? what group:)
[16:47] Sigma Avro: since it is just a default seting, it is not dificult to change it. But there also some months are neede to inform some groups, seems to me
[16:47] Krull Quar: hehe
[16:47] RedMokum Bravin: I fixed it after 3 members said thank you for it.
[16:47] Jonathan Yap: I think the idea is to change it for only new groups
[16:47] Jonathan Yap: Not to touch existing groups
[16:47] Sigma Avro: the time I can join Red"s group, hehe
[16:47] Krull Quar: Yes
[16:47] Moundsa Mayo: Yah, least impact that way.
[16:47] Cummere Mayo: to have that on as a default is silly
[16:48] Krull Quar: I agree
[16:48] Krull Quar: Well it's not logical
[16:48] Jonathan Yap: It is more than silly, you can lose money
[16:48] RedMokum Bravin: Also you shouldn't be tricked into being responsible for payment in all those groups that shops try to make you a member of.
[16:48] Andrew Linden: yeah that is an old issue. Lots of comments.
[16:48] Moundsa Mayo: Sure, it's Boolean B^)
[16:48] RedMokum Bravin: Boolean Shit :-)
[16:48] Sigma Avro: I know many group whose dividends are negative
[16:48] Cummere Mayo: ive seen it used to scam people
[16:49] Sigma Avro: so, it neraly required to do this change
[16:49] RedMokum Bravin: Nigerian group membership letters... lol.
[16:49] Krull Quar: rofl
[16:49] Cummere Mayo: lol
[16:49] Cummere Mayo: surprised zfire hasnt taken advantage of this yet ...
[16:50] Cummere Mayo: lol
[16:50] Moundsa Mayo: Should be a blue popup warning you'll be "Subject to group Liabilities if you join this group."
[16:50] RedMokum Bravin: Yes!
[16:50] Cummere Mayo: definately
[16:50] Krull Quar: Ditto!
[16:50] Kaluura Boa: Even a yellow one...
[16:50] Jonathan Yap: yes, but would you know what that means?
[16:50] Rex Cronon: u also need to know how much liability u r talking about:)
[16:50] Moundsa Mayo: And wehn it's set on, all group members get a message saying so.
[16:51] Jonathan Yap: maybe "money may automatically be taken from your account"
[16:51] Krull Quar: If it says Money will be taken every week in big bold red letters with and OK-Cancel window maybe
[16:51] Moundsa Mayo: Well, anything to lessen the abuse incidence.
[16:51] Sigma Avro: groups have so many optins, that providing all the informations needed maybe tedious
[16:51] Jonathan Yap: It must be a moderate issue for the support people "where did my money go?"
[16:52] Andrew Linden wonders who to talk to get an approval of that bug...
[16:52] Sigma Avro: cant say it nhere, lol,
[16:52] Cummere Mayo: ive seen group owners buy a parcel of land then divide it up into 16m^2 parcels and then buy it for the group on an alt
[16:52] Andrew Linden: I suspect it is very easy to make the change... once we figured out where it was to be done.
[16:52] Jonathan Yap: Probably in some template setting file
[16:52] Andrew Linden: That is, not a lot of code changes.
[16:53] Jonathan Yap: Andrew, do you agree it is a good idea?
[16:53] Krull Quar: To avoid potential fraud, what if taking money from group members was only available to residents with payment info on file
[16:53] Moundsa Mayo: Yah, like my marketing people have said - "All yo need to do is add a button." B^D
[16:54] Krull Quar: As it is now anyone can create a group
[16:54] Simon Linden: We'd probably have to make sure a bunch of other LL folks agreed, but it doesn't sound like that would be too hard to do
[16:54] Andrew Linden: I *guess* it is a good idea. My opinion is swayed by the popular sentiment in this case
[16:54] Moundsa Mayo: But more likely a single change from 1 to 0 hidden deep in a source file not touched for years.
[16:54] Andrew Linden: because I really don't *use* groups myself.
[16:55] Andrew Linden: And I haven't done much group coding, so I don't know the feature set well.
[16:55] Simon Linden: hmm, maybe we can start one for this User Group and see how that can be abused...
[16:55] Krull Quar: Some people use groups heavily and drill down into the details
[16:55] Simon Linden: err, I mean, how the feature works
[16:55] Krull Quar: lol
[16:55] Andrew Linden: I asked one LL dev who is sitting nearby and he was surprised that it does not work the way you all want it to work.
[16:55] Draconis Neurocam: hahaha
[16:55] Moon Metty: :)
[16:55] Moundsa Mayo: Oh, is ther an actual User Group for us to join now?
[16:55] Simon Linden: Not that I know of, I'm just making this up
[16:56] Krull Quar: hehe
[16:56] Cummere Mayo: andrew i would be glad to demonstrate it for all the lindens that need convincing
[16:56] Sigma Avro: beta group
[16:56] Cummere Mayo grins evilly
[16:56] Krull Quar: lol
[16:56] Moundsa Mayo: Everything is virtual at some level, Simon B^)
[16:56] Krull Quar: <-- THinks about a new group
[16:56] DogWomble Dollinger: you mean i'm not real moundsa?
[16:56] DogWomble Dollinger: :P
[16:56] Andrew Linden: No Cummere, probably not a good idea to campaign too hard.
[16:57] Sigma Avro: fraud group, hehe
[16:57] Krull Quar: rofl
[16:57] Krull Quar: Anti Fraud group :P
[16:57] Plastic Duck: it does add up, I have alts that are over 10,000L in debt from random group fees
[16:57] Griefer Evermore: too many alts?
[16:57] Andrew Linden: But I'll ask around to see what other people think, and to see if I can find the people who are stakeholders in the group feature set.
[16:57] Kaluura Boa: Too many groups...
[16:57] Cummere Mayo: >.> i was just going to make a linden fan group invite lindens and then um... you know buy a 20million linden plot of ground from myself >.>
[16:57] Sigma Avro: beta fraud sounds nice
[16:57] Krull Quar: God I could create a thousand alts and sign them all up and be rich!
[16:57] Jonathan Yap: But where did that non-existent money go?
[16:58] Sigma Avro: I have been frauded by a no existing anymore avat, so I knwo where it went
[16:58] Cummere Mayo is kidding btw
[16:58] SL Bear Gun: Bear's away!
[16:58] Plastic Duck: it goes to Linden I think, it's just the search fee right?
[16:58] SL Bear Gun: Cease fire!
[16:58] Cummere Mayo: search fees land tiers etc
[16:59] RedMokum Bravin: Any plans for setting reasonable settings on abandoned land yet?
[16:59] Jonathan Yap: That whole system should be rethought, but at least changing this would help
[16:59] Andrew Linden: Yes there are plans on that RedMokum.
[16:59] RedMokum Bravin: I found a huge working shop on a 16384m2 parcel that was abandoned.
[16:59] Sigma Avro: well, goods sold by baned avatars are not destructed, that is a problem, can make fraud to continue
[17:00] Andrew Linden: I had Guy Linden write up the specs for what he thought should be done for abandoned land.
[17:00] RedMokum Bravin: Ah great!
[17:00] Andrew Linden: And that item is on my backlog.
[17:00] RedMokum Bravin: Saves him a whole backload as well.
[17:01] Andrew Linden: Yes, I think that if I could get that done then Guy's time would open up and he could do other stuff.
[17:01] Plastic Duck: the original system where the land became public and we had to find it ourselves was genuinely fun
[17:01] Sigma Avro: Andrew, also money taking primls are a problem, seems to me
[17:01] RedMokum Bravin: Very strange that "payment" to objects can still be active on abandoned land.
[17:01] RedMokum Bravin: But seen lots of them this week.
[17:01] Moundsa Mayo: Heh. One friend is being repeatedly spammed by a security orb belonging to an account no loger in Search | People from a shop a region and 290m away.
[17:01] Andrew Linden: ok sorry everyone, but I have to head out so I can be somewhere on time
[17:02] Andrew Linden: have a good weekend
[17:02] Andrew Linden: and thanks for coming
[17:02] Sigma Avro: ok, thanks a lot
[17:02] Jonathan Yap: Moundsa, can't they mute it?
[17:02] Draconis Neurocam: take care andrew and simon
[17:02] RedMokum Bravin: Good weekend.
[17:02] RedMokum Bravin: Thanks for your time.
[17:02] Krull Quar: Thanks andrew have a good weekend
[17:02] Moon Metty: yes, have a good weekend :)
[17:02] Moundsa Mayo: Thanks for your time, Andrew!
[17:02] Sigma Avro: good we all
[17:02] Moon Metty: and thanks for the meeting
[17:02] Griefer Evermore: cya Andrew
[17:02] Simon Linden: Thanks all for coming and the good ideas
[17:02] Jonathan Yap: thanks you simon an andrew
[17:02] Crimson Wytchwood: Thank you Anrew and Simon ..
[17:02] Rex Cronon: tc andrew
[17:02] Moundsa Mayo: And Simon, thanks to you too!
[17:02] Cummere Mayo: tc and ty simon and andrew?
[17:02] Crimson Wytchwood: *Andrew
[17:02] Rex Cronon: tc simon
[17:02] Sigma Avro: both thanks
[17:02] Rex Cronon: tc everybody
[17:02] Simon Linden: Bye everyone, see you next week
[17:02] Krull Quar: Anyone up for a new group membership
[17:03] Plastic Duck: cya