Mesh/Archive/2011-09-26

Agenda

1. How far is the progress to fully support collada 1.4.1 ? I only use the official v3, but my meshes exported from 3dsMax2012 make problems (uploader shows higher triangle-count than the model has, texures (different faces/material IDs) is not working. (Marielle Caerndow)
2. I still can't upload my Collada file which have single texture. and CTS-813 is gone. I modifyed my node-ID but I can't upload it. I use viewer 3.0.6(241391) [Yuzuru Jewell]
3. Will autoreturn ever be switched back on on the Aditi mesh sandboxes? [Drongle]
4. Is anything exciting happening? [Drongle]
5. The rigged mesh is shown as a huge ball by 1.X viewer. Please make it small to the size of Avatar The issue is not viewer but SIM server. Otherwise, the landowner of Viewer1.X will BAN Avatar which wore the rigged mesh. [Yuzuru Jewell]
6. SH-2374 (Rigged Mesh Deformer) has been deferred from Sprint 28 to "Someday/Maybe". Could you give us the overall priority/status of making attached mesh conform to all avatar appearance sliders? If making attachments fit is being addressed some other way, please point us to where [DanielRavenNest Noe]

Meeting Notes

Attendees List

• Asha (asha)
• davep (davep)
• Drongle McMahon (drongle.mcmahon)
• Eleanora Newell (eleanora.newell)
• Marielle Caerndow (marielle.caerndow)
• Mikki Miles (mikki.miles)
• Motor Loon (motor.loon)(User's Wiki Page)
• Nal (nal)
• Prep Linden (prep.linden)
• Skygirl Kline (skygirl.kline)
• Squirrel Wood (squirrel.wood)(User's Wiki Page)
• Techwolf Lupindo (techwolf.lupindo)
• Vincent Nacon (vincent.nacon)(User's Wiki Page)
• Vir Linden (vir.linden)
• Yuzuru (yuzuru)

Transcript for Wednesday September 28, 2011

[12:00]	Squirrel Wood	Hellol!
[12:00]	Prep Linden	yoyo folks!
[12:00]	Motor Loon	nice axe man
[12:00]	Squirrel Wood	I hope you don't mind my little rock there attending today :)
[12:00]	Eleanora Newell	hi, yuzuru
[12:01]	Yuzuru	Thank you! Eleanora!
[12:01]	Eleanora Newell	yw
[12:01]	Motor Loon	You need some of my moms homecookin' Runitai... you're nothing but bones man
[12:01]	Yuzuru	And Thank you Drongle!
[12:02]	Yuzuru	I tried to teleport MeshHQ 2. But I couldn't..
[12:02]	Motor Loon	well, I got coffee, coke, smokes and good mood... all set to rock'n'roll
[12:02]	Yuzuru	Hello Runitai.
[12:02]	Yuzuru	I still can't upload meshes..
[12:03]	Motor Loon	This IS meshHQ 2 Yuzuru
[12:03]	Yuzuru	Yes.
[12:03]	Yuzuru	I wonder why I can't teleport.
[12:03]	Nal	IS HQ 1 off line?
[12:04]	Motor Loon	use the force luke...
[12:04]	Motor Loon	Must be the hat
[12:04]	davep	killing a couple sandboxes to get the meshhq regions back up
[12:04]	davep	ran out of spares on DRTSIM-99
[12:04]	Nal	Oh this is funny. first time I've used a non-mesh viewer in awhile. :)
[12:05]	Motor Loon	aint pretty eh
[12:05]	Marielle Caerndow	Marielle Caerndow waves
[12:05]	Prep Linden	Ok here we go:
[12:05]	Prep Linden	How far is the progress to fully support collada 1.4.1 ? I only use the official v3, but my meshes exported from 3dsMax2012 make problems (uploader shows higher triangle-count than the model has, texures (different faces/material IDs) is not working. (Marielle Caerndow)
[12:06]	Prep Linden	Collada 1.4.1 support has been added. If you want to test the latest mesh-dev has collada 1.4.1 support.
[12:06]	Vincent Nacon	what... no news?
[12:06]	Motor Loon	My Collada 1.4.1. works just fine
[12:06]	Marielle Caerndow	Thank you Prep, just had issues with the 'official' v3...will test it
[12:06]	Prep Linden	Yeah - most people aren't having trouble *execpt* wrt to the latest version of blender and rigs.
[12:07]	Prep Linden	mariella: if you find any issues please filea jira ;-)
[12:07]	Marielle Caerndow	Ah: "Rigs"...how are they currently working: does the *.dae need the full set of bones in it ?
[12:07]	Marielle Caerndow	Yes, I'll nag you if I find issues :-)
[12:08]	Squirrel Wood	I wonder if http://www.daz3d.com/i/shop/itemdetails/?item=5748 would work in SL ...
[12:08]	Prep Linden	squirrel: buy it and let us know!
[12:08]	Squirrel Wood	I might actually do that
[12:08]	Motor Loon	its doubtful
[12:08]	Squirrel Wood	but it seems to use displacement maps
[12:09]	Motor Loon	yeah, and probably insane high polycount
[12:09]	Vincent Nacon	no it won't work
[12:09]	Vincent Nacon	it got fur
[12:09]	Vincent Nacon	and I don't mean the tail
[12:09]	Squirrel Wood	polycount is not an issue :)
[12:09]	Motor Loon	polycount is always an issue
[12:09]	Vincent Nacon	and it's not polygons
[12:09]	Prep Linden	ok moving onto #2.
[12:09]	Prep Linden	I still can't upload my Collada file which have single texture. and CTS-813 is gone. I modifyed my node-ID but I can't upload it. I use viewer 3.0.6(241391) [Yuzuru Jewell]
[12:11]	Yuzuru	When I selected medium LOD, upload button was unenabled.
[12:11]	Prep Linden	Yuzuru: The original reason it got disabled was because the lod introduced a new material that was not in the reference model.
[12:12]	Prep Linden	The SL log probably had a error/warning in it denoting the problem.
[12:12]	Yuzuru	I use same material.
[12:12]	Yuzuru	I have no error/warning.
[12:13]	Yuzuru	Ship it was checked.
[12:13]	Prep Linden	Hmm... is it the same asset as the one thats attached to the jira?
[12:13]	Yuzuru	yes CTS-183
[12:13]	Yuzuru	But I can't access it.
[12:14]	Prep Linden	sh-2468
[12:14]	Yuzuru	Yes But I can't accsess SH-2468.
[12:15]	Drongle McMahon	As usual :-)
[12:15]	Motor Loon	Ditto
[12:15]	Prep Linden	yuzuru: hold on - reproing it and gonna give you the error..
[12:16]	Yuzuru	Thank you. I will update my tools from it.
[12:16]	Prep Linden	yuzuru: I'm still getting a "Material of model is not a subset of reference." from the helmet assets.
[12:16]	Prep Linden	So probably the name is different in the medium lod.
[12:16]	Yuzuru	Oh!
[12:16]	Yuzuru	Yes
[12:17]	Prep Linden	cool, moving on..
[12:17]	Drongle McMahon	Thae material name? I thought that didn't matter.
[12:17]	Yuzuru	When I check it, I can update it.
[12:17]	Yuzuru	Thank you.
[12:17]	Prep Linden	#3. Will autoreturn ever be switched back on on the Aditi mesh sandboxes? [Drongle]
[12:17]	davep	3. Will autoreturn ever be switched back on on the Aditi mesh sandboxes? [Drongle]
[12:17]	davep	autoreturn is off?
[12:17]	davep	that explains a lot
[12:17]	davep	davep will get on that this afternoon.
[12:17]	Drongle McMahon	:-)
[12:18]	Motor Loon	haha
[12:18]	Vincent Nacon	Vincent Nacon shakes his head.
[12:18]	Asha	\o/
[12:18]	Prep Linden	#4.) Is anything exciting happening? [Drongle]
[12:18]	Motor Loon	good one
[12:18]	davep	SH-2240 is kinda exciting
[12:18]	Motor Loon	"As OpenGL, I want applications to not use the fixed function, because it is deprecated."
[12:18]	Squirrel Wood	exciting? How about sims not finishing the calculation of a high detail physics shape ?
[12:18]	Mikki Miles	yeah, and autoreturn will be switched on
[12:18]	Asha	What is 2240 about?
[12:19]	davep	in that comptability-with-new-spec-version kind of excitement
[12:19]	Squirrel Wood	2240.. opengl 3.0 :)
[12:19]	Motor Loon	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/sh-2240
[12:19]	davep	GL 3.2 actually
[12:19]	Skygirl Kline	less crashy moments
[12:19]	Squirrel Wood	or 3.2
[12:19]	davep	now with vertex array objects!
[12:20]	Drongle McMahon	Is 2240 wht I can't use the new project mesh viewers with nvidia 440?
[12:20]	Motor Loon	I dont recall having seen such glitches
[12:20]	Motor Loon	..on my system atleast
[12:20]	davep	vao off -- 24 fps, vao on -- 30 fps
[12:21]	Squirrel Wood	shadows on - out of memory :p
[12:21]	davep	awww
[12:21]	Vincent Nacon	upgrade your PC?
[12:22]	davep	the memory stuff is pretty fresh -- I get that message even though I have 16GB of ram
[12:22]	Vincent Nacon	n/m
[12:22]	Vincent Nacon	muhahahaha!
[12:22]	Squirrel Wood	Where should I upgrade? CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU X 980 @ 3.33GHz (3337.54 MHz)
[12:22]	Motor Loon	Probably too upgraded °?°
[12:23]	Squirrel Wood	W7 x64 in general tends to see that error quite often
[12:23]	Motor Loon	Too much bling makes you blind ... haha...
[12:23]	davep	you can try turning off private memory pool management
[12:23]	davep	"MemoryPrivatePoolEnabled"
[12:23]	Nal	http://blog.nalates.net/2011/08/07/nvidia-driver-gtx-460-problems/
[12:24]	Motor Loon	yeah... gfxcard related
[12:24]	Techwolf Lupindo	Get a 54-bit build.
[12:24]	Nal	You may being seeing a regression error.
[12:24]	Techwolf Lupindo	erf...64
[12:24]	Squirrel Wood	current available mem: 4GB, current usable: 0 is what the console says
[12:24]	Nal	Firestorm suggests changing the GPU table in a viewer to an older copy to avoid some GPU problems.
[12:24]	davep	I've gotten mixed reports on 2240 fixing GTX 460 issues
[12:26]	davep	there's still one GL 2.x API call lingering that NVIDIA's drivers don't error on but AMD's do
[12:27]	Prep Linden	ok moving onto 5
[12:27]	Prep Linden	5.) The rigged mesh is shown as a huge ball by 1.X viewer. Please make it small to the size of Avatar The issue is not viewer but SIM server. Otherwise, the landowner of Viewer1.X will BAN Avatar which wore the rigged mesh. [Yuzuru Jewell]
[12:28]	Vir Linden	That's not super likely to change, but if you want to file a JIRA at least we will have a mechanism for tracking.
[12:28]	Squirrel Wood	I guess the prim drawn represents the size of the mesh
[12:28]	Vir Linden	It's not part of the mesh release 2 work.
[12:28]	Motor Loon	Cant fix stupid...
[12:28]	Yuzuru	It is huge.
[12:29]	Yuzuru	like 7m ball
[12:29]	Asha	O.o
[12:29]	Vincent Nacon	7m? not big enough
[12:29]	davep	it uses the scale on the prim
[12:29]	Eleanora Newell	yeah, i don't understand why some things show a sphere many times larger than the mesh size
[12:29]	davep	so you can scale the rigged attachment down before you attach it
[12:30]	Asha	Oh I see
[12:30]	Skygirl Kline	fix = use the new viewer
[12:30]	Eleanora Newell	ah
[12:30]	Asha	Some people must have a big scale in their modeler.
[12:30]	Squirrel Wood	V1 viewers will slowly stop working anyway :)
[12:30]	Motor Loon	not really
[12:30]	Asha	I don't think most people know that effects the size of the model on v1 viewers though.
[12:31]	Yuzuru	Please set small scale to samle rigged mesh, robot.
[12:31]	Asha	*affects
[12:31]	Yuzuru	It is important.
[12:32]	davep	how do we know you don't want a 7m sphere? the scale of the object is 7m
[12:33]	Yuzuru	When I set 1m scale, It was shown 1m sphere on 1.X viewer. Is it correct?
[12:33]	davep	that *should* be correct, if it's not correct, that's a bug
[12:34]	Yuzuru	Thank you. I will try it.
[12:34]	Motor Loon	There was someone here on a non-mesh viewer right? - could verify it now
[12:35]	Nal	That is me... I'm in multiple conversations. What do want looked at?
[12:36]	Motor Loon	anyone here looking like they are a 7m big sphere? ,-)
[12:36]	Motor Loon	You're all mesh arent you Prep?
[12:36]	Nal	No... Prep is the oddest and biggest, may be 2 m
[12:36]	Prep Linden	yup - mesh
[12:37]	davep	how about now?
[12:37]	Motor Loon	well, he is kinda a short guy
[12:37]	Nal	Squirrel has a couple of .5 m spheres
[12:37]	Motor Loon	and Runitai?
[12:37]	Nal	The arn or moving thing is much bigger, 3 m may be
[12:38]	Motor Loon	that would be Runitai I guess... haha... the moving thing
[12:38]	Squirrel Wood	What about the rock ?
[12:38]	Eleanora Newell	she won't know it's a rock
[12:38]	Motor Loon	the rock is not a rigged mesh
[12:38]	Drongle McMahon	It's an axe. I am scared of it.
[12:38]	Nal	I'm not sure ehat is supposed to be a rock
[12:38]	davep	am I still 3m?
[12:39]	Eleanora Newell	run, why you jumping?
[12:39]	Nal	In FS mesh stuff doesn't always show in a photo so I can't upload one
[12:39]	Motor Loon	so she can see him
[12:39]	Eleanora Newell	lol
[12:39]	Motor Loon	Nalates... the jumping thingie... still same size as before?
[12:40]	Motor Loon	Motor Loon pokes Nalates
[12:40]	davep	nal is a very busy person
[12:40]	Motor Loon	Guess so °?°
[12:40]	Asha	She's showing a pic.
[12:40]	Motor Loon	Must be wierd being busy on the betagrid
[12:40]	Nal	I think it disappeared.... looking for it
[12:41]	Motor Loon	check the jumping Runitai Nalates...
[12:41]	Motor Loon	same size as before?
[12:41]	Nal	A tiny disk.... 0.3m
[12:41]	Motor Loon	good
[12:41]	Motor Loon	success then
[12:41]	davep	hooray -- it works
[12:41]	Motor Loon	problem solved ,-)
[12:42]	Yuzuru	:D
[12:42]	Motor Loon	How productive °?°
[12:42]	Nal	:) I guess my SLV3 crashed for a reason...
[12:42]	Asha	Good information to know about the sizing.
[12:42]	Motor Loon	Motor Loon think Runitai needs to rest his old bones after all that jumping around
[12:43]	Yuzuru	Please write about it to wiki!
[12:43]	Asha	Agreed
[12:43]	davep	viewer 3 is having some weird issues right now -- certification problems with SSL, some multi-threading issues with thread local state not being initialized properly, and of course the GL compatibility issues
[12:43]	davep	after the long haul for mesh, it's time for a nice quiet maintenance cycle
[12:44]	Motor Loon	No rest for the wicked
[12:44]	davep	no joke
[12:44]	Vincent Nacon	and during those moment, residents should be ready to provide the next big feature, Avatar 2.0! :P
[12:44]	Eleanora Newell	no rest at all? damn
[12:44]	davep	https://bitbucket.org/davep/shining-fixes
[12:44]	davep	davep is tired.
[12:44]	Motor Loon	Rest is overrated anyway
[12:44]	Yuzuru	The scale shoulde be written on marketplace..
[12:45]	Eleanora Newell	wouldn't know since i haven't had any in years
[12:45]	Motor Loon	I'd be happy if creators could just learn to put the real primcount on marketplace
[12:45]	Asha	No kidding
[12:45]	Motor Loon	Shameful how many meshs are sold with incorrect informations
[12:45]	Vincent Nacon	still need people to talk about it on the wiki before making it as final for LL to look at. advert your eyes, Lindens! https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Avatar_2.0
[12:46]	davep	yeah, I find myself wanting an LoD preview
[12:46]	davep	I bought a gun for L$1000 and the LoD was terrible
[12:46]	Nal	Well, may be the SLM team will include a place for prims, scripts, and Land IMpact cost for merchandise. That would get creators thinking.
[12:46]	Asha	Showing LODS would be a nice addition.
[12:46]	Yuzuru	where is the binary of the viewer shining fixed.
[12:46]	Motor Loon	That too Runitai
[12:46]	Eleanora Newell	actually, that would be great, runitai
[12:47]	davep	http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/davep_shining-fixes/latest.html
[12:47]	davep	probably easier to implement a "return for refund" feature
[12:47]	Yuzuru	Thank you!
[12:47]	davep	davep is just spitballing here.
[12:47]	Motor Loon	°?°
[12:47]	Motor Loon	Better education for creators is the key
[12:48]	Motor Loon	I think most just dont know any better
[12:48]	Vincent Nacon	or just waiting for Phoenix (1.23) to catch up
[12:50]	Yuzuru	It is important to add elements about LOD and Land Impact and scale.
[12:50]	Vincent Nacon	or just remove scale factor >_> *hint*
[12:51]	Yuzuru	But customer can't check its scale.
[12:51]	Motor Loon	only a problem if its a no-mod item
[12:52]	Motor Loon	and only a problem viewer on old viewers
[12:52]	Yuzuru	Yes
[12:52]	Motor Loon	viewed
[12:52]	Motor Loon	in time it will "fix" itself...
[12:52]	Motor Loon	hopefully
[12:52]	Vincent Nacon	by removing it
[12:52]	Vincent Nacon	:P
[12:53]	Motor Loon	non-mesh viewers should be gone with not too long
[12:53]	Vincent Nacon	actually, it's the only way for contents with scripts.
[12:53]	Nal	The SSE2 requirement is stopping old computer users from upgrading... :/
[12:53]	Squirrel Wood	there are quite a few people that will hold on to v1 viewers for as long as possible because they do not want the v2 UI
[12:53]	Yuzuru	If the light weight viewer will be released..
[12:53]	Motor Loon	thats ok too, aslong as it has mesh backporting
[12:54]	Vincent Nacon	stopping from upgrading?
[12:54]	Motor Loon	Phoenix will soon too
[12:54]	Techwolf Lupindo	Techwolf Lupindo lol at this changeset https://bitbucket.org/davep/shining-fixes/changeset/7dd3fe1dc666
[12:54]	Squirrel Wood	SSE2 was introduced around the year 2k. no reason to still have such stoneaged computers around
[12:54]	davep	SL is global, so there ARE some markets that still have a lot of old computers
[12:54]	Vincent Nacon	those who don't have SSE2 are seriously out of date
[12:55]	Vincent Nacon	it doesn't need another 10 more years
[12:55]	Yuzuru	But SSE2 is not useful on 64bit.
[12:55]	Nal	Agreed Squirrel, but there are people not upgrading computers... I hate to leave them behind, BUT I see no other choice.
[12:55]	davep	but it's just not practical to impede performance on the vast majority because of hardware that is way past its warranty
[12:55]	Vincent Nacon	once again, it doesn't need 10 more years
[12:55]	Eleanora Newell	i have to leave, but ty, prep and runitai, see everyone later :)
[12:55]	Asha	Bye Eleanora.
[12:55]	Vir Linden	We try to be very conservative about increasing system requirements, but can't postpone changes forever.
[12:55]	Vincent Nacon	Vincent Nacon waves
[12:55]	Skygirl Kline	bye
[12:55]	Eleanora Newell	bye, asha
[12:56]	Eleanora Newell	*waves*
[12:56]	Motor Loon	Nor should you Vir
[12:56]	Techwolf Lupindo	Make it optional. There is no need for hardcoded flags in the code. Let the build envoroment set the flags.
[12:56]	Yuzuru	suere
[12:56]	Yuzuru	sure
[12:57]	Vincent Nacon	Tech, it isn't that simple to make it optional
[12:58]	Techwolf Lupindo	Software that supports sse2 and beyound use .dll to enable it. I"ve seen several packages where it detects the CPU at runtime and enables or disables parts of the code.
[12:58]	davep	techwolf: we'd have to ship two different versions of each viewer -- SSE enabled and not SSE enabled
[12:58]	Techwolf Lupindo	mplayer is one of them.

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