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"gymbal lock" is something that affects mechanical systems with gyroscopes. A quaternion rotation is a mathematical abstraction. The term simply does not apply, and only serves to confuse things. The reference to "SLERP" without a link is useless. [[User:Doran Zemlja|Doran Zemlja]] | "gymbal lock" is something that affects mechanical systems with gyroscopes. A quaternion rotation is a mathematical abstraction. The term simply does not apply, and only serves to confuse things. The reference to "SLERP" without a link is useless. [[User:Doran Zemlja|Doran Zemlja]] | ||
Gimbal lock effects Euler angles to which you wrote an article using them everywhere without mention it; it is a gross oversight. That sentence is a bit complex on review and yes there is no SLERP article but that doesn't mean someone won't write one (it is better to leave open links then no links; no links give no hint that a page should be created). I may write a short one tomorrow, I already have a function that implements it (I've just been pressed for time). I will find a better article on gimbal lock, the wikipedia one is pretty poor in this regard as it fails to go into the programing implications. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and looked up 'gymbal' in the dictionary, to which it was nowhere to be found; but 'gimbal' was. [[User:Strife Onizuka|Strife Onizuka]] 19:33, 31 January 2007 (PST) | :Gimbal lock effects Euler angles to which you wrote an article using them everywhere without mention it; it is a gross oversight. That sentence is a bit complex on review and yes there is no SLERP article but that doesn't mean someone won't write one (it is better to leave open links then no links; no links give no hint that a page should be created). I may write a short one tomorrow, I already have a function that implements it (I've just been pressed for time). I will find a better article on gimbal lock, the wikipedia one is pretty poor in this regard as it fails to go into the programing implications. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and looked up 'gymbal' in the dictionary, to which it was nowhere to be found; but 'gimbal' was. [[User:Strife Onizuka|Strife Onizuka]] 19:33, 31 January 2007 (PST) | ||
Gimbal lock affects you every time you use Euler Coordinates, it is not restricted to gyroscopes. German article on wikipedia about gimbal lock shows it much more clearly than the English version -- Catherine Pfeffer 2007-12-08 | ::Gimbal lock affects you every time you use Euler Coordinates, it is not restricted to gyroscopes. German article on wikipedia about gimbal lock shows it much more clearly than the English version -- Catherine Pfeffer 2007-12-08 | ||
== Mirroring using quaternions == | == Mirroring using quaternions == | ||
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== GetRot()/SetRot() chart == | == GetRot()/SetRot() chart == | ||
llGetLocalRot() and llGetRot() clearly do *not* return the same value in the root prim of an attachment. While I believe that llGetRot() returns the avatar rotation as indicated, llGetLocalRot() I believe gives the rotation of the root prim relative to the attachment point (or the avatar?) | llGetLocalRot() and llGetRot() clearly do *not* return the same value in the root prim of an attachment. While I believe that llGetRot() returns the avatar rotation as indicated, llGetLocalRot() I believe gives the rotation of the root prim relative to the attachment point (or the avatar?) | ||
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== Visual aids == | == Visual aids == | ||
I use [http://www.isner.com/tutorials/quatSpells/quaternion_spells_14.htm this page] as a visual reference and cheat sheet for quaternion operations. --[[User:Tateru Nino|Tateru Nino]] 15:53, 9 September 2007 (PDT) | I use [http://www.isner.com/tutorials/quatSpells/quaternion_spells_14.htm this page] as a visual reference and cheat sheet for quaternion operations. --[[User:Tateru Nino|Tateru Nino]] 15:53, 9 September 2007 (PDT) | ||
== Maths versus LSL == | == Maths versus LSL == | ||
Has anyone noticed that maths quaternion multiplication is written in reverse order than in LSL ? That is, what you write Q1 . Q2 in maths is computed in LSL with Q2 * Q1. Is that a bug or simply a documentation issue ? -- Catherine Pfeffer - 2007-12-08 | Has anyone noticed that maths' quaternion multiplication is written in reverse order than in LSL ? That is, what you write Q1 . Q2 in maths is computed in LSL with Q2 * Q1. Is that a bug or simply a documentation issue ? -- Catherine Pfeffer - 2007-12-08 | ||
Revision as of 03:56, 8 December 2007
Fixed a few minor syntax errors and reworked the top of the article a bit. As an article it is quite far along though it still has a ways to go. Strife Onizuka 03:32, 29 January 2007 (PST)
Intro is awful
"gymbal lock" is something that affects mechanical systems with gyroscopes. A quaternion rotation is a mathematical abstraction. The term simply does not apply, and only serves to confuse things. The reference to "SLERP" without a link is useless. Doran Zemlja
- Gimbal lock effects Euler angles to which you wrote an article using them everywhere without mention it; it is a gross oversight. That sentence is a bit complex on review and yes there is no SLERP article but that doesn't mean someone won't write one (it is better to leave open links then no links; no links give no hint that a page should be created). I may write a short one tomorrow, I already have a function that implements it (I've just been pressed for time). I will find a better article on gimbal lock, the wikipedia one is pretty poor in this regard as it fails to go into the programing implications. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and looked up 'gymbal' in the dictionary, to which it was nowhere to be found; but 'gimbal' was. Strife Onizuka 19:33, 31 January 2007 (PST)
- Gimbal lock affects you every time you use Euler Coordinates, it is not restricted to gyroscopes. German article on wikipedia about gimbal lock shows it much more clearly than the English version -- Catherine Pfeffer 2007-12-08
Mirroring using quaternions
I think I have worked out how to mirror a point (and therefore an entire object in pieces,) using quaternions, but does anyone here know how to, or if it is even possible to, define a rotation that turns a left hand into a right hand or vise-versa? This is a three diminsional mirror operation, but in four diminsions it is a simple rotation. (I could be wrong, but based on my research into quaternions it seems right...)
Cron Stardust 22:16, 25 March 2007 (PDT)
- It depends entirely upon which axis you want to mirror around. Save yourself some work and look up Jeffrey's Prim Mirror. Strife Onizuka 11:13, 26 March 2007 (PDT)
Moving this page
Shouldn't the content of this page be moved to Category:LSL Rotation? It seems confusing to me to have multiple Rotation pages.
- Good point, I see no problem merging them. -- Strife Onizuka 08:40, 22 July 2007 (PDT)
- Very true. Or even better, do a "pure maths" one and a "pure lsl" one -- Catherine Pfeffer, 2007-12-08
GetRot()/SetRot() chart
llGetLocalRot() and llGetRot() clearly do *not* return the same value in the root prim of an attachment. While I believe that llGetRot() returns the avatar rotation as indicated, llGetLocalRot() I believe gives the rotation of the root prim relative to the attachment point (or the avatar?)
- You are correct, that entry in the table is wrong. -- Strife Onizuka 08:40, 22 July 2007 (PDT)
Visual aids
I use this page as a visual reference and cheat sheet for quaternion operations. --Tateru Nino 15:53, 9 September 2007 (PDT)
Maths versus LSL
Has anyone noticed that maths' quaternion multiplication is written in reverse order than in LSL ? That is, what you write Q1 . Q2 in maths is computed in LSL with Q2 * Q1. Is that a bug or simply a documentation issue ? -- Catherine Pfeffer - 2007-12-08