User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2008-01-17

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:01]	Squirrel Wood:	Hello Benjamin ^^
[15:01]	Benjamin Linden:	hi guys :-)
[15:01]	Benjamin Linden:	how is everyone?
[15:01]	Benjamin Linden:	I guess we're still waiting for folks to show up from open source?
[15:01]	Squirrel Wood:	tired :)
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood:	there weren't that many attending the open source meeting as the agenda was rather empty
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood:	In the meantime, http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08011703.html ^^
[15:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	Heya
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Jacek
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	we were just talking about that login progress screen issue again, Jacek
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	:-)
[15:04]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah? I've made some good progress on that
[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli:	Right now the two big issues are: it's being drawn as red for some reason, like it's forgetting the green and blue channels when it loads the texture;
[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli:	and also, I'm not sure how to get it to stretch to fill the screen
[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli:	In the C code, it's being defined as 2/3rds of the screen width
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	oh that's outstanding news, Jacek!
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	which part can't you get to fill the screen?
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	the progress bar itself?
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	or the overall window
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	I actually think we don't need it to stretch
[15:07]	Jacek Antonelli:	Overall. Even centered would be good, but I'm not quite sure how to do that
[15:08]	Jacek Antonelli:	In a resolution-independent way
[15:08]	Squirrel Wood:	source code or xml wise?
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	because on large monitors it gets too big
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	I see, so you're not sure how to determine the middle of the screen?
[15:09]	Squirrel Wood:	=> table width 100%, center align. then define whatever needed as percentage of the available space => auto-stretch
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	welcome Harleen
[15:09]	Squirrel Wood:	can even be done using css
[15:09]	Jacek Antonelli:	That would be nice, Squirrel. But this is XUI :\
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	I was like, isn't that web code?
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:10]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'm not sure it even understands percents... I tried putting width="66%" and it drew it 66 pixels wide
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	yeah I don't think it does
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	XUI is very poorly documented :-(
[15:11]	Jacek Antonelli:	There's a halign="center" attribute that I've seen used for text, but I'm not sure if widgets are supposed to respect that, or only text
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood:	http://www.xoetrope.com/zone/intro.php?zone=XUI
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood:	that one ?
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Alice!
[15:11]	aliceinwire Bleac:	hello! :)
[15:12]	Jacek Antonelli:	Squirrel: Nope, LL's homegrown XML User Interface files
[15:12]	Squirrel Wood:	humm
[15:12]	aliceinwire Bleac:	sorry i'm afk for compiling mail with the list of new mentor
[15:12]	aliceinwire Bleac:	hello!
[15:12]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hi alice!
[15:12]	Squirrel Wood:	http://docs.xuiframework.com/index.jsp ? ^^
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	haha no this is a different XUI, Squirrel
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	our XUI has very little documentation
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood:	then do what the gridmonkeys do ^^
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood:	beat on it till it works ^^
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	although to be fair, a couple of our devs are starting to do some class reference
[15:13]	Jacek Antonelli:	lol
[15:13]	Jacek Antonelli:	I don't suppose there's a DTD for XUI lying around anywhere at LL, is there...? >_>
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	oh I forgot about follow
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	do you know about follow=left|right, Jacek?
[15:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	I tried that, didn't seem to work, but I'll hammer on it
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	this was the suggestion I got from Richard Linden:
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	attach it to the root view with the appropriate follows flags
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood:	Just found.... http://luxor-xul.sourceforge.net/
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure if that helps at all
[15:16]	Jacek Antonelli:	*nod* Well, as I have it right now, there's a panel with some child widgets, text and a progress_bar
[15:16]	Jacek Antonelli:	Basically I took the existing "progress view" and split it up into the panel and widget
[15:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	The panel is getting stretched to the full screen, but the widgets stay in place. I think.
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	the widgets are already centered though, right?
[15:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	Right now they're manually positioned to be centered. And at 800x600, they'd be centered correctly
[15:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	*pulls up the XUI and some code to check her facts*
[15:19]	Malbers Linden:	hi all.
[15:19]	Jacek Antonelli:	heya Malbers!
[15:19]	McCabe Maxsted:	ahoy malbers
[15:19]	Squirrel Wood:	Hello Malbers :)
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Malbers
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	oh hi McCabe, I didn't see you sneak in
[15:19]	aliceinwire Bleac:	hello! malbers
[15:19]	McCabe Maxsted is ninja :)
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	Jacek, Richard also suggested this:
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	I think I understand what she's asking [15:16] richard: if you want an element to stay centered, but of fixed size [15:17] richard: (as opposed to growing and shrinking with the window) [15:17] richard: you can either do it with code, or use layout_stacks [15:17] richard: to create a grid
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	layout_stack is a new XUI layout control
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	ahh
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	so you might not be familair with it
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	we use it in the communicate window, to slide open the participant list
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	I saw it lying around as I was sniffing through the code, hehe
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	yeah you may want to experiment with that
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	okay
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	Other than the layout issues and the weird colors on my client, it's just about there
[15:22]	Jacek Antonelli:	The text displays and changes as expected, and the progress bar fills up
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	great, I'm very excited to hear that!
[15:22]	McCabe Maxsted:	you're creating a home brew, jacek?
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	Malbers, Jacek is working on the login progress screen we were discussing
[15:22]	Malbers Linden:	Nice!
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	I asked Jacek to expose the login progress screen to XML so we could style it to be more attractive and legible
[15:23]	Jacek Antonelli:	McCabe: I'm going to submit a patch to get it into the official viewer, when I'm done
[15:23]	Malbers Linden:	hench the talk of layout issues
[15:23]	Jacek Antonelli:	yep
[15:23]	McCabe Maxsted:	ahhh, that's grand. I look forward to seeing it :)
[15:23]	Squirrel Wood:	\o/
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood:	\o/ .....
[15:24]	Jacek Antonelli:	McCabe: If I do everything right, you won't even notice the difference ^_^ at least until the Dazzle team makes it purty
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	soon, hopefully!
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	we're looking to have a Dazzle First Look out in a few weeks
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	very excited
[15:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	\o/
[15:25]	Squirrel Wood:	combined with windlight ?
[15:25]	McCabe Maxsted:	oooh
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	it's come a long way since the early preview files
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure if it will have windlight in it since windlight will be merging with release about the same time we create the first look
[15:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oooo ^_^
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	it's just a matter of timing
[15:26]	Jacek Antonelli:	I tried to update my working copy to the latest first look with the newfangled login page, but I could never get the login page to work :( Had to revert back to the 1.18.5 series
[15:27]	aliceinwire Bleac:	that's cool
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	ah yes, the new login screen
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	that caused quite a few headaches
[15:27]	McCabe Maxsted:	well, that should be okay; the html login is being reverted in the next viewer if I read right
[15:27]	Jacek Antonelli:	I was glad to hear it's going away (for now, until the wrinkles are ironed out)
[15:27]	aliceinwire Bleac:	you have to delete
[15:27]	aliceinwire Bleac:	it
[15:27]	aliceinwire Bleac:	than reinstall
[15:27]	Squirrel Wood:	html login takes about half a minute to load for me on average
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, I think it was the right decision to postpone
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	so now that we have a few more folks here I wanted to throw out a topic for conversation
[15:28]	Jacek Antonelli:	(*sniffs at layout_stack* Mmmm, min_width and auto_resize. Just what the doctor ordered, I think.)
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	one of the projects we're going to work on this quarter (at least get designed) is an improved system for accessing and managing landmarks
[15:29]	aliceinwire Bleac:	that's a cool stuff
[15:29]	Jacek Antonelli:	\o/ Favorites list plz? :D
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	so I wanted to talk to you guys a little bit about how you use Landmarks and Picks today, and get a sense for what you'd like to see improved
[15:29]	aliceinwire Bleac:	favorites list is in the misty tools
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	what's the misty tools, Alice?
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood:	I hardly ever use landmarks
[15:29]	McCabe Maxsted:	it's a hud
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	ah ok
[15:30]	aliceinwire Bleac:	yes make by mistical cookie
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	why don't you use Landmarks Squirrel?
[15:30]	Squirrel Wood:	because it is a pain in the behind to keep them current
[15:30]	aliceinwire Bleac:	and you have a list of recent place you have see with landmark
[15:30]	aliceinwire Bleac:	and a favorite list
[15:30]	aliceinwire Bleac:	i have all i need here
[15:30]	Squirrel Wood:	so what I would like to see is a way to "verify" if a landmark is still valid
[15:31]	aliceinwire Bleac:	is free for mentors
[15:31]	McCabe Maxsted:	the biggest problem I have witih landmarks is finding the one I'm looking for. I have a folder of 200 LMs and often I forget to go back and rename them all with keywords. A favorites list would be very nice. So would a teleport history
[15:31]	aliceinwire Bleac:	you can make folder
[15:31]	Jacek Antonelli:	Personally, I have a handful of places that I visit quite often. Home, fave hangout, store, the dock where I start sailing. Some of them I put in my picks so I have them handy
[15:31]	Squirrel Wood:	you can make folders, yes. but they won't help
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	I was just about to ask, can't you make a folder called "favorites"?
[15:31]	aliceinwire Bleac:	teleport history is implemented in the misty tool
[15:31]	aliceinwire Bleac:	yep
[15:31]	McCabe Maxsted:	I tried using folders, but no they don't help; it's easier to have one long list, that way you can look at places and think, "okay I visted there after here" and narrow down an LM
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	what functionality is missing from using folders
[15:32]	aliceinwire Bleac:	i have a folder called linden office
[15:32]	aliceinwire Bleac:	_:P
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	so you use the color of the landmark to tell if you've visited that place, McCabe?
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood:	when you open the map window there is a landmark dropdown "My landmarks" - all your landmarks show up there alphabetically sorted - regardless of your organizational attempts in your inventory...
[15:32]	McCabe Maxsted:	I use the sim name; are the colors significant? I've never noticed
[15:33]	Jacek Antonelli:	they're a duller color before you use them the first time
[15:33]	Jacek Antonelli:	It took me a while to figure that out, hehe
[15:33]	McCabe Maxsted:	huh; I always thought it was just a color change between versions and they were older LMs
[15:34]	McCabe Maxsted:	which seems rather silly now that I think about it
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	hmm, maybe we should rethink those colors
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	in dazzle I think the color change is a bit more prominent
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	One thing that frustrates me is that every single landmark in my inventory clutters up the pull-down on the map window
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	Buy something from a store? It usually has a LM in it --> more clutter
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	the type-ahead search helps there, but I've given up any hope of finding what I need by scrolling through
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	so any landmark in your inventory gets added to that dropdown in Map?
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	yep
[15:36]	Squirrel Wood:	correct
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	Even duplicates
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	yikes I could see how that would be annoying
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Stephany!
[15:36]	Squirrel Wood:	Hello Stephany!
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hi Stephany!
[15:36]	McCabe Maxsted:	hehe same here jacek; I havefar too many duplicates
[15:36]	aliceinwire Bleac:	welcome stephany
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	Stephany is the PM on the Landmarks project
[15:36]	Stephany Linden:	hi everyone!
[15:36]	Stephany Linden:	thanks for coming
[15:36]	aliceinwire Bleac:	oh cool
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	she's here to listen to your thoughts on Landmarks
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	I must have 200 different landmarks that show up on that menu
[15:37]	Malbers Linden:	oooo, hi stephany
[15:37]	Stephany Linden:	Yes - PLEASE tell me about landmarks :)
[15:37]	Benjamin Linden:	I'll give her the transcript for what we discussed already
[15:37]	McCabe Maxsted:	it would be nice if we could rename an LM while we create it
[15:37]	Stephany Linden:	and how to make them much much better
[15:37]	Benjamin Linden:	how do you generally go about creating new landmarks?
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood:	landmarks? I just have way too many of 'em ^^
[15:38]	McCabe Maxsted:	generally I find a place I want to visit, I tp there, create an LM, then rename it if it's not memorable
[15:38]	Ruby Scissor:	I'm...on a table
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood:	Me, I hardly ever create landmarks as I usually know my places and mapstalking friends does the rest
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	I use World -> Create Landmark Here. ... Is there another way to make a LM?
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	McCabe when you say "create a landmark", specifically how?
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	are you doing it from the menus?
[15:38]	McCabe Maxsted:	world, create LM
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	ok
[15:39]	Benjamin Linden:	do others have different methods for creating landmarks?
[15:39]	Jacek Antonelli:	Creating a landmark from the map would be nice. Instead of having to TP there, then make a landmark, then TP back to where you were
[15:39]	Benjamin Linden:	or ways you wish you *could* create a landmark?
[15:39]	Benjamin Linden:	good suggestion Jacek
[15:39]	McCabe Maxsted:	is there one? I know you used to be able to create a landmark from the map but that was cut due to database load
[15:39]	aliceinwire Bleac:	we can make a tool for export landmarks in a note with all the slurl
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, it's tricky because technically some parcels could disable the ability to create a landmark
[15:40]	aliceinwire Bleac:	can helping who whant put lot of landmarks in here site
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood:	landmark://Beaumont/152/163/46/Benjamins-Office
[15:40]	McCabe Maxsted:	a favorites list in our profile, where we could drag an LM into a slot, say; that would be really nice; the current use of picks to store lists of LMs and friends feels very kludgy
[15:40]	Benjamin Linden:	Sorry, Alice, I'm not quite following
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, I'd like to talk about the relationship between landmarks and picks
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli:	I think she wants a way to export a list of LMs as SLURLs, so you can post them on the web or wherever
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	ah I see, is that right Alice? so you'd like to see your landmarks on the web?
[15:41]	aliceinwire Bleac:	yes
[15:42]	McCabe Maxsted:	ah I made a short script that does that, but it only works on non renamed lms. Do you want it alice?
[15:42]	Jacek Antonelli:	Sometimes I like to put SLURLs on my blog
[15:42]	Stephany Linden:	I'm interested in what everyone thinks about finding things online when the client is or is not open
[15:42]	Stephany Linden:	and any differences, new things, etc. you might like to see there
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	would it be useful to be able to manage your bookmarks at secondlife.com?
[15:43]	McCabe Maxsted:	I do a lot of my exploring through blogs, stephany, so slurls are quite handy for me
[15:43]	aliceinwire Bleac:	or a widget for a site that give the slurl of last place you have see
[15:43]	Dru Yokosuka:	hey guys
[15:43]	Jacek Antonelli:	hiya Dru
[15:43]	McCabe Maxsted:	hmm; if they were accompanied by bookmarks in profiles, then yes, but the profile should really be key. There's a higih demand for bookmarks in profiles, as you can probably tell from looking at everyone's profile here
[15:43]	Stephany Linden:	hi dru
[15:43]	aliceinwire Bleac:	have more interaction web <> LM
[15:44]	Dru Yokosuka:	whats going on here?
[15:44]	McCabe Maxsted:	we're talkign about landmarks dru, and ways to improve them
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	so you'd like to see the Picks feature expanded?
[15:44]	Jacek Antonelli:	Idea: if you could drag a LM to your picks to make a new Pick, that would be pretty darn handy
[15:44]	McCabe Maxsted nods. It really would be
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	I think McCabe suggested that earlier too, Jacek
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	I like it
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	what if you could just pick an arbitrary set of your landmarks and say, share these with my friends, or share with everyone?
[15:45]	McCabe Maxsted:	I'd like to seperate teh picks tab into two tabs: one for people, and the other for places
[15:45]	aliceinwire Bleac:	yes
[15:45]	Stephany Linden:	nice
[15:45]	aliceinwire Bleac:	i ahave think it too
[15:45]	McCabe Maxsted:	how do you mean benjamin?
[15:45]	aliceinwire Bleac:	but i have not say how do it
[15:45]	aliceinwire Bleac:	maybe share a folder?
[15:46]	aliceinwire Bleac:	with other friends
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	right now we have this separate notion of Picks and Landmarks
[15:46]	Roof Doors:	Dru Yokosuka is at the door.
[15:46]	Roof Doors:	Dru Yokosuka is at the door.
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	but they're very similar
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	what if we could figure out a way to combine the functionality of both
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	a "best of both worlds" kind of scenario
[15:46]	aliceinwire Bleac:	i think w can add the possibilty to share folder with friends can be a cool stuff
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes, similar in some ways. Although people use Picks in a lot of different ways. Lots of people make a pick with a picture of their friends, and say nice things about them there. In those cases, the "location" of the pick is irrelevant
[15:47]	Stephany Linden:	in other words, how would you feel if picks and landmarks were combined in some way?
[15:47]	Stephany Linden:	ah
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	this social use of picks is interesting
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	are they linking to that person's place?
[15:47]	McCabe Maxsted:	so say, a folder in your inv you drag LMs to, that shows up in your profile in a picks style format? Is that what you mean?
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	and using it as sort of a public "friend's list"?
[15:47]	aliceinwire Bleac:	that's cool too
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	Sometimes, Benjamin. I think usually it ends up being "wherever I was when I created the pick", they just don't care about the location
[15:48]	McCabe Maxsted:	it depends on the pick though; a lot of people use picks to store locations
[15:48]	Benjamin Linden:	oh so the picture is what ties it to the person?
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	So yeah, those entries are a public friends list sort of thing
[15:48]	McCabe Maxsted:	especially store owners and people who own land
[15:48]	aliceinwire Bleac:	share a all folder with all things isnide
[15:48]	aliceinwire Bleac:	landmark
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, they name it after the person, or a nickname, "My Sweetie" or something. And then put a picture and some nice text about the person
[15:48]	aliceinwire Bleac:	object
[15:48]	aliceinwire Bleac:	notecard
[15:48]	McCabe Maxsted:	hehe yeah
[15:48]	aliceinwire Bleac:	with friends
[15:48]	Benjamin Linden:	McCabe the folder idea you suggested would be one approach
[15:49]	McCabe Maxsted:	look at my picks for some funny quotes, too
[15:49]	Jacek Antonelli:	I could see the "Picks" being expanded into a "Favorites" list with different categories
[15:49]	Jacek Antonelli:	Places, people, things
[15:49]	Stephany Linden:	so what could make picks or the profiles better?
[15:49]	Stephany Linden:	more fun, etc.
[15:49]	Benjamin Linden:	Jacek, would you still want a separate list of Landmarks that's just for you?
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	something besides this public list of "favorites"?
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hrmm. Probably, yes. Like, if you have a "Secret getaway", you probably want to have the landmark handy, but not really share it with the world
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	right ok
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	So maybe the favorites could have the "Share: (no one|friend|everyone)" like you suggested before
[15:51]	McCabe Maxsted nods. I like that approach
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	does anyone have thoughts about Stephany's question
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	how can we make picks more fun?
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	encourage people to use the more?
[15:51]	McCabe Maxsted:	hmm, right now people use them a lot like Myspace;s top 8
[15:52]	Squirrel Wood:	make them acorn shaped ;)
[15:52]	McCabe Maxsted:	(wtih accompanying drama when you remove someon from your picks, hehe)
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	interesting, McCabe
[15:52]	McCabe Maxsted:	so changing the layout to say a series of stacked images, like myspace, might be a thought
[15:53]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hrmm. Maybe if you could see all your friend's picks in one place. But... then you get into the issue of what is a "friend"? Some people have thousands of people on their "Friends List". Business associates, acquaintences that they haven't talked to in a year, etc.
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	how do you feel about using Inventory to manage your landmarks?
[15:54]	Squirrel Wood:	regarding friends and the friend list... I'd like to see names displayed in different colors depending on how long ago the person last logged in..... makes cleaning up that list a lot easier ^^
[15:54]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:55]	McCabe Maxsted:	honestly? Using the inventory feels like waging a war. It's easier for LMs than other items, I suppose, because they're always saved in one folder, but if there's an easier way I'd definitely be for it
[15:55]	Stephany Linden:	an easier way for landmarks or all inventory in general?
[15:55]	Benjamin Linden:	we've talked a fair bit about sharing Landmarks with others but I'd like to know more about using Landmarks to get around SL
[15:55]	Squirrel Wood:	Mayhaps store landmarks client side?
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	do you use Landmarks to get to frequently visited places?
[15:56]	Malbers Linden:	Squirrel, what would it buy your to store them client side
[15:56]	McCabe Maxsted:	I'd prefer all inventory but let's stick to landmarks. I use my lms to visit frequent places, yes, definitely
[15:56]	Jacek Antonelli:	I think a folder of "favorite landmarks" could be useful, allows nested folders (stores, hangouts, friend's homes) however the person wants to organize it
[15:56]	Jacek Antonelli:	But, opening up the inventory to find a landmark is... suboptimal
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	is it convenient to go into Inventory to TP to a landmark location or could there be an easier way
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	ah, Jacek beat me to it :-)
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	Hmm
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	can you think of other ideas besides Inventory?
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	for accessing landmarks
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	As much as I hate to add more to the already-crowded top menu... I think a "Favorite Landmarks" menu would get a *lot* of use
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	How about doing the same with landmarks as with gestures?
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	only active ones show up in drop down lists and such
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	a separate window, Squirrel?
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	Heck, for that matter -- favorite outfits, too!
[15:58]	McCabe Maxsted:	woah; that's an awesome idea, squirrel
[15:58]	Benjamin Linden:	ah, have an "active Landmarks" concept
[15:58]	McCabe Maxsted:	that would be a really useful feature to have
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood:	either only show active ones or show active ones on top of the list
[15:58]	Harleen Gretzky:	I already nest folders under my Landmarks folder to make favorites and home LMs on top
[15:59]	McCabe Maxsted:	we wouldn't have to sort through all the ones on the map, and could keep a list of favorites for ourselves for easy tping
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	Harleen, would you like to see a more direct way to access Landmarks?
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	besides going into inventory?
[15:59]	Harleen Gretzky:	sure
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	ok great, well folks this has been very informative
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	Stephany and I have another meeting to run to
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	:)
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	but I'd like to continue this discussion next week
[15:59]	Stephany Linden:	yes please!
[15:59]	McCabe Maxsted:	always enjoy these types of discussions :)
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hehe. Scurry scurry, little Lindens. :D
[15:59]	McCabe Maxsted:	I'll try to make it
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood:	meetings...
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	I think there's a lot more things to explore here
[16:00]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes, was a very interesting discussion
[16:00]	Stephany Linden:	"back to grid house"
[16:00]	Stephany Linden:	thank you so muhc
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks so much for sharing!
[16:00]	aliceinwire Bleac:	bye bye
[16:00]	Harleen Gretzky:	tc Benjamin, Malbers and Stephany
[16:00]	Stephany Linden:	see you all next week
[16:00]	Jacek Antonelli:	Take care!
[16:00]	aliceinwire Bleac:	thanks you
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	see you all next week!