User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Apr 24
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[10:04] You: hi Femina :-) [10:04] Femina DeCuir: hey [10:05] You: how's it going? [10:05] Femina DeCuir: everythings so exciting :) [10:05] You: oh good! [10:05] You: are you new to Second Life? [10:05] Femina DeCuir: yes i am [10:05] Femina DeCuir: brand new :) [10:06] You: excellent. and what do you think so far? [10:07] Zero Linden is Online [10:07] Femina DeCuir: its cool. im from austria, its almost 7pm here. at 8 there is a documentary on tv so i will have a look at that [10:07] Karen Linden is Online [10:07] You: a documentary on Second Life? [10:07] Femina DeCuir: yes [10:07] Femina DeCuir: a short one [10:07] You: interesting! do you know what it's called? [10:08] Ryan Linden is Online [10:08] Femina DeCuir: i think its on "pro7" lets have a look one moment please [10:10] Femina DeCuir: cant find it :( [10:11] You: that's ok. you can have a seat if you'd like [10:11] Femina DeCuir: thx [10:11] You: I like your avatar [10:11] You: where did you get it? [10:12] Femina DeCuir: hmmm [10:12] Femina DeCuir: its a mixture [10:12] Femina DeCuir: everythings from the help island :) [10:13] You: oh great! [10:13] Femina DeCuir: ggg [10:13] You: so how did you find out about Second Life? [10:13] Femina DeCuir: i saw it on tv [10:14] Femina DeCuir: and in a computer magazine [10:14] Femina DeCuir: i love sims and so i have to try this one :) [10:15] You: yes, I like that game too [10:15] You: so what did you think of the Orientation Island experience? [10:15] Femina DeCuir: its amazing that everythings so real in here [10:15] You: yes, the Residents have done an incredible job building stuff [10:15] Durl Linden is Offline [10:17] Femina DeCuir: hmm oriental island is ok to get comfortable with the system but its a little bit complicated when youre logging of everythings gone (the stars) and so you have to start from the beginning and i have the feeling it doesnt work that good some of the "levels" are disfunctional [10:17] Femina DeCuir: for example yesterday the simple "move" tutorial doesnt work [10:17] Durl Linden is Online [10:18] Femina DeCuir: i tried it for hours and there was no possibility to get the star [10:18] You: were you trying to drive the vehicle? [10:18] You: which aspect specifically [10:19] Femina DeCuir: hmm its a little bit complicated for me to describe [10:20] Femina DeCuir: f.ex. i had to do it again (because of logging of) and some of the tutorials started itself and some not f.ex. the communicate "buddhas" ggg [10:21] Femina DeCuir: and i couldnt find out how [10:21] Femina DeCuir: to start these [10:22] You: when you logged out, how were you able to get back to Orientation Island? [10:22] Femina DeCuir: it started on the same place i logged of [10:22] You: oh i see [10:23] Femina DeCuir: but the stars were gone :( [10:23] Femina DeCuir: and i walked across at the move target again and again and i doesnt work [10:24] You: ok I see [10:24] You: did you notice the Reset button? [10:24] Femina DeCuir: and there was a little black something in the air, can you tell me what this could have been? :) [10:25] Femina DeCuir: a fuzzy thing next to the move target hmm [10:25] Femina DeCuir: reset button? [10:25] You: there are signs next to each station that say, "click here to retry" [10:25] You: that resets the station so you can start over [10:26] Femina DeCuir: of course i noticed them sometimes they were playing a sound (and most of the time the level worked at this time) and sometimes theya have been silent so you cannot get a star do you know what i mean [10:28] Char Linden is Offline [10:28] You: do you mean the signs themselves were playing a sound? [10:29] Femina DeCuir: when you push the retry button the coloured tutorial window on the left side at the screen was playing a "bling" or so and then the tutorial was working fine [10:30] Femina DeCuir: but sometimes there was no sound an then you get no star for your work [10:31] Femina DeCuir: f.ex. at communicate [10:31] Femina DeCuir: sometimes the flying tutorial didnt work well i was flying well but at the landing there was no "blingggg" and no star :( [10:32] Femina DeCuir: my english isnt that good i hope you understand what i am talking about ;) [10:32] You: no no, you're making perfect sense [10:32] Femina DeCuir: thx [10:32] You: this is very helpful. I'm passing this on to one of the developers working on Orientation Island [10:33] Femina DeCuir: i tried it so often because a friend of mine couldnt get used to the tutorial so i have to do it for him [10:33] You: lol [10:33] You: that was nice of you [10:33] You: did you find the tutorials helpful when they were working? [10:34] Logan Linden is Online [10:34] Femina DeCuir: absolutely! [10:34] You: oh good [10:35] Torley Linden is Online [10:35] You: we recently updated the Orientation Island. it still has some bugs but overall it's much better than the old one [10:35] Gulliver Linden is Online [10:35] Femina DeCuir: but first i thought the star in the circle of any tutorial level is something like a "main"star but i found out that this is the star for the circle tutorial in front of any tutorial [10:36] Ryan Linden is Offline [10:36] Zero Linden is Offline [10:37] Jard Comet is Offline [10:37] Femina DeCuir: hey its great to talk to you about these things :) [10:37] You: actually this is my job :-) [10:37] You: I'm an interface designer [10:38] You: how long have you been using Second Life? [10:38] Femina DeCuir: lol and i got here without any knowledge about that :) [10:38] Femina DeCuir: since yesterday :)))) [10:38] You: have you done much exploring? [10:39] Femina DeCuir: in oriental island yes :)))) [10:39] Femina DeCuir: i spent hours because of some none workin things :) [10:40] You: I'm so sorry to hear that. [10:40] Femina DeCuir: gg [10:40] You: how did you find my house? [10:40] Gulliver Linden is Offline [10:40] Femina DeCuir: do you mean how i got here or how it looks like? (austrian people... :))) [10:40] Gulliver Linden is Online [10:42] You: I meant how did you arrive here? [10:42] You: did you teleport or fly from Help Island? [10:43] Gulliver Linden is Offline [10:43] Femina DeCuir: i teleport because it was next to help island public on the map [10:43] Ethan Linden is Offline [10:43] You: so you were looking at the main map and clicked somewhere to teleport? [10:44] Femina DeCuir: yep [10:44] You: hi Macaroni [10:44] Macaroni Kidd: Hi Benjamin [10:44] Macaroni Kidd: I hope I'm not interrupting [10:44] Macaroni Kidd: Hi Femina [10:44] You: no, not at all [10:44] Femina DeCuir: hi macaroni [10:44] Bridie Linden is Online [10:44] You: these are my regular office hours, for chatting with Residents [10:45] You: about user interface issues [10:45] Femina DeCuir: and i didnt know about that :) [10:45] Macaroni Kidd: Okay. Maybe my question isn't in the right category [10:45] Macaroni Kidd: But I'd like to run it past you [10:45] Macaroni Kidd: I come up with great ideas [10:45] Macaroni Kidd: but usually my great ideas have to be abandoned [10:45] Ryan Linden is Online [10:45] Macaroni Kidd: to avoid prison [10:45] Macaroni Kidd: : ) [10:46] You: can you give me an example? [10:46] Macaroni Kidd: I was wondering if it would be a violation of the terms of service [10:46] Macaroni Kidd: to plan a "Kidd" family reunion [10:46] Macaroni Kidd: and send invites to a 1,000 Kidds [10:46] Macaroni Kidd: to come to the party? [10:46] Guy Linden is Offline [10:47] You: so you want to host your reunion inside Second Life? [10:47] Macaroni Kidd: Yes. I don't know any of the people I would be inviting [10:47] Macaroni Kidd: and I don't want to send spam... [10:47] Logan Linden is Offline [10:47] Macaroni Kidd: but I'm not sure if this would be considered spam [10:48] You: I think technically it probably is, since they didn't opt in to receive the email from you [10:48] Macaroni Kidd: I could post an ad for an event [10:48] Macaroni Kidd: but then we'd probably end up with as many non Kidds as Kidds [10:48] Gulliver Linden is Online [10:48] Macaroni Kidd: I thought it might be a good way to [10:48] You: but that would probably still be ok [10:49] Macaroni Kidd: give people a way to belong to a group [10:49] Macaroni Kidd: Of course, I realize there are probably 100,000 Kidds [10:49] Femina DeCuir: benjamin, i will watch the little report about sl in 10minutes, may i tell you what it was about afterwards? [10:50] Femina DeCuir: ok [10:50] You: that would be great, thanks Femina. I may not be here but you can IM me [10:50] Macaroni Kidd: Benjamin, assuming I find a legit way to contact a lot of Kidds [10:50] Macaroni Kidd: and start a Kidd Family group [10:50] Macaroni Kidd: is there a limit to how many people can be in a group? [10:51] Durl Linden is Offline [10:51] You: I'm not sure about that but I can find out for you [10:52] Macaroni Kidd: Okay. I'm sorry to bother you with questions that aren't appropriate for your area. [10:52] You: no, these are all relevant topics [10:52] You: how long have you been in SL? [10:52] Macaroni Kidd: I don't know that hundreds, or thousands, of people would join a Kidd Family group [10:53] Macaroni Kidd: but I suppose it's possible [10:53] Macaroni Kidd: I know, I know. I'm a newbie. I've been here a little over a month. [10:53] You: that's longer than a lot of people! [10:53] You: what do you think so far? [10:53] Guy Linden is Online [10:53] Macaroni Kidd: I've started a newsstand and video clip arcade in Ranunculus [10:54] Macaroni Kidd: You click on a image, and it launches a YouTube video clip in your web browser [10:54] You: I asked someone at the office and they said there is no limit on the number of members in a group [10:54] Torley Linden is Offline [10:54] Macaroni Kidd: lots of tutorials and SL relevant video clips [10:54] You: oh that's a great idea [10:54] Macaroni Kidd: Thanks. That's helpful. [10:54] Torley Linden is Online [10:54] Macaroni Kidd: I'm working on a bookstore with links from book objects [10:54] Macaroni Kidd: to my brand new Buy.com affiliate store [10:55] Macaroni Kidd: Just a page of links that takes you on to Buy.com where you can buy [10:55] Macaroni Kidd: the real book [10:55] Macaroni Kidd: Not terribly original, I suppose. [10:55] Macaroni Kidd: But there are a lot of books about being online [10:55] Macaroni Kidd: and many are about to be published about SL [10:56] Macaroni Kidd: and perhaps some people will order them from my newsstand [10:56] You: it sounds like you do a fair amount of building? [10:56] Macaroni Kidd: I'm not sure that I do a lot... I've probably spent too many late nights here [10:56] Torley Linden: Hello :D [10:56] Macaroni Kidd: Hi Torley [10:56] Femina DeCuir: hi [10:57] You: it sounds like you have some great ideas for stores though [10:57] You: hey guys, this is Torley Linden [10:57] Macaroni Kidd: All hail the mighty Torley [10:57] Femina DeCuir: ggg hail hail [10:57] Torley Linden: *blush* [10:57] Macaroni Kidd: Say, I want to take a picture of myself with Torley [10:57] Torley Linden: Good to see ya Ben, Macaroni, Femina! [10:58] Macaroni Kidd: :) [10:58] Macaroni Kidd: It'll be worth a lot of money someday. [10:58] Torley Linden: Oh please do, I like pictures, I like it when pictures get taken with me. [10:58] Torley Linden: <-- postcard fiend [10:58] Torley Linden: Oh I should take a picture of us and upload it... [10:58] You: I love the pony av! [10:58] You: the watermelon is a nice touch [10:58] Torley Linden: Thanx Ben, haha.. yes... it's just out of my mouth's reach! [10:58] Macaroni Kidd: Thanks, Torley! I'll frame it! [10:59] Torley Linden: You're welcome Macaroni! [10:59] Torley Linden: Have any of you ever been to Wynx Whiplash's store before? She made this av. [10:59] You: hi Wimster [10:59] Torley Linden: She also made some really cute pandas recently. [10:59] Wimster Daviau: hi [10:59] Torley Linden: Hihi Wimster! [10:59] Wimster Daviau: do u mind? [10:59] Guy Linden is Offline [10:59] Macaroni Kidd: Hi Wimster [10:59] Wimster Daviau: hi [11:00] You: no, not at all. these are my regular office hours to discuss User Inerface and usability issues [11:00] Wimster Daviau: ok [11:00] Torley Linden: :D [11:00] You: we were just wrapping up when you arrived [11:00] Macaroni Kidd: Say, Benjamin, I do have a relevant remark to offer [11:00] Torley Linden: Wimster you can find more info about Linden office hours @ http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours [11:00] You: sure, shoot [11:00] Macaroni Kidd: Everytime I want to edit an object and click on it [11:00] Wimster Daviau: ok [11:00] Wimster Daviau: im from the netherlands [11:00] Macaroni Kidd: The edit window pops up on top of the object [11:00] Betsy Linden is Online [11:01] Macaroni Kidd: It would be wonderful if it could pop up two inches to the right [11:01] Wimster Daviau: but Linden...? [11:01] Macaroni Kidd: Although, I suppose you've already discussed this issue at length. : ) [11:01] Wimster Daviau: that's the name of... [11:01] Wimster Daviau: of... [11:01] Wimster Daviau: ow my [11:01] Torley Linden listens. [11:02] Femina DeCuir: the report is called "dangerous second life!!!! [11:02] Wimster Daviau: ok [11:02] Wimster Daviau: im new so my part first here will be listening... [11:02] Wimster Daviau: that's wise for now... [11:02] You: that's interesting Macaroni. when I edit an object the Edit window appears in the upper left corner of the screen. for you it appears over the object you selected? [11:02] Wimster Daviau: that's wise for now [11:03] Macaroni Kidd: Almost always. Maybe I've clicked the wrong box somewhere in the preferences that said "always annoy the user." [11:03] Torley Linden: For me, the Edit window remembers its last position... so if you move it somewhere else, it should stay there. [11:03] Jard Comet is Online [11:03] Macaroni Kidd: I'm using an Intel Mac G5... it has a few quirks with some programs [11:04] Betsy Linden is Offline [11:04] Macaroni Kidd: Possibly your mac client works great with the non intel macs [11:04] You: can you try moving the window to a totally different spot and see if it rememembers? [11:04] Macaroni Kidd: I constantly move the edit window [11:05] Macaroni Kidd: but as soon as i click on something else to edit [11:05] Macaroni Kidd: it always pops up on top of the object [11:05] Macaroni Kidd: then I have to move it again [11:05] Betsy Linden is Online [11:05] Macaroni Kidd: when I continue editing an object, the window stays out of the way [11:05] You: interesting. have you heard of this behavior Torley? [11:05] Torley Linden: I've not. [11:05] Macaroni Kidd: but the next object I click on it lands on top of it [11:06] Macaroni Kidd: I'll be happy to make you some screen shots... but I don't know if that would be useful [11:06] Torley Linden: First time I've heard of this -- would be good to see a video repro or find out if someone else on a similar setup is having the same annoyance. [11:06] You: screenshot or video would be helpful macaroni [11:06] Wimster Daviau: uhmm [11:06] Torley Linden: Macaroni, perhaps report it on http://jira.secondlife.com ... [11:06] Macaroni Kidd: I'm not set up to make a video but I can easily make you some screen shots [11:06] Wimster Daviau: nice to meet you people [11:06] Torley Linden: you can attach files to it, and include system config. [11:06] Torley Linden: Nice to meectah too Wimster. =) [11:06] Macaroni Kidd: Okay, Torley, I'll be glad to do that. [11:06] Wimster Daviau: God bless u all [11:07] You: nice meeting you Wimster [11:07] Wimster Daviau: wise thinkers on my path [11:07] Torley Linden: :) [11:07] Wimster Daviau: take care [11:07] Betsy Linden is Offline [11:07] Macaroni Kidd: I didn't think you would take my gripe seriously. [11:07] Macaroni Kidd: I just thought it was a commonplace annoyance. [11:07] You: window management is a big issue with our UI [11:07] Wimster Daviau: bye now [11:07] Betsy Linden is Online [11:07] Torley Linden: Ben totally cares about this! :D [11:07] You: take care Wimster! [11:07] Torley Linden: I've had a lot of UI gripes for a long time myself, I can relate. [11:07] Macaroni Kidd: I'm glad I stopped by, then. [11:08] Macaroni Kidd: Torley, I have almost an entire wall devoted to your video tutorials [11:08] Torley Linden: Esp. when the same thing happens over and over... I call that ambient suffering... heh. [11:08] Torley Linden: Oh WOW, where is that? :D [11:08] Macaroni Kidd: in my video clip arcade in Ranunculus [11:08] Torley Linden: Neat, got a landmark? [11:08] Macaroni Kidd: please come by sometime. [11:08] Torley Linden: Picture I took showed up -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/471498233/ [11:08] Torley Linden: I'd sure be happy to! [11:08] Macaroni Kidd: Look up "The Video Clip Arcade" in search. [11:08] Torley Linden: Got it, will do. [11:08] Torley Linden: *makes a note* [11:08] Torley Linden: Thanks for letting me know and for watchin'! [11:09] Macaroni Kidd: Bring your watermellon. [11:09] Torley Linden: Always... ALWAYS. =) [11:09] Macaroni Kidd: Thanks everyone. I'll post the screenshots at the url you gave me later today. [11:09] Macaroni Kidd: See you later! [11:09] Torley Linden: L8r! [11:09] You: thanks for stopping by Macaroni [11:10] Femina DeCuir: im back [11:10] You: how was the documentary? [11:10] Femina DeCuir: it was a short report about criminal things in sl they were talking about some kids porn in sl and how they can be judged ... (???) [11:11] lolcube shouts: Not permitted to copy that inventory. [11:11] Femina DeCuir: because its only an avatar and no real kid... [11:11] You: right, this has been a tricky issue to deal with [11:11] Femina DeCuir: hmm [11:12] You: well Femina, Torley and I need to go have a meeting. thanks so much for hanging out today [11:12] You: feel free to stop by again. my office hours are Tues and Thur 10-11am [11:12] Femina DeCuir: thank you 2 [11:12] Torley Linden: Good to see ya Femina! [11:13] Torley Linden: Hey Taja! [11:13] Femina DeCuir: bye for now [11:13] Taja Beatty: hey Torley hey Benjamin [11:13] Femina DeCuir: have a nice day [11:13] Taja Beatty: sorry I could not get here before [11:13] You: hey Taja [11:13] Taja Beatty: something prevented me [11:13] Torley Linden: Taja you are one of our most frequent Linden Village visitors! =) [11:13] You: no problem, we were just wrapping up [11:13] Taja Beatty: ((had to pay internet bill)) [11:13] Torley Linden: Good to see ya again. [11:13] Torley Linden: Awwe. [11:13] Taja Beatty: because I love you sooooo much is why [11:13] Femina DeCuir: ciao :) [11:13] Taja Beatty: and did you get my message Torley [11:13] Torley Linden: Yes! [11:14] Taja Beatty giggles [11:14] Taja Beatty: you know I am always late though [11:14] Wimster Daviau: is that you're lady Torley? [11:14] Taja Beatty: it bugs me [11:14] Taja Beatty: always when it is over...or with Rob I get there late when they are working on bugs [11:14] Taja Beatty: and have no idea the technical talk [11:15] Taja Beatty: you know Torley that every single pic you have of me is with this same hair [11:15] Torley Linden: Wimster: Sorry I don't understand. :) [11:15] Torley Linden: Taja: Call it classic! [11:15] Taja Beatty: it is like I do not have any other hair [11:15] Wimster Daviau: well... [11:16] Wimster Daviau: u want a sigaret lady? [11:17] You: ok guys, Torley and I are going to take off. thanks for stopping by today! [11:17] Durl Linden is Online [11:17] Torley Linden: Good to see y'all! Take care. :) [11:17] Taja Beatty: have a nice day [11:18] Taja Beatty: sorry I missed you Benjamin [11:18] Taja Beatty: told you I did not know if I could make it [11:18] You: that's no problem Taja! [11:18] Betsy Linden is Offline [11:18] You: we'll chat more soon [11:18] Taja Beatty: love your av Torley [11:18] Taja Beatty: I hope so... [11:18] Wimster Daviau: take care [11:18] Taja Beatty: have a nice day