Open Source Meeting/2010-05-13
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[13:50] | Boroondas Gupte: | hi Ellla |
[13:51] | Boroondas Gupte: | bbl |
[13:51] | Ellla McMahon: | Hello :) |
[13:51] | Ardy Lay: | Hi |
[13:53] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | hey ardy |
[13:59] | Ardy Lay: | Hi Aimee |
[13:59] | Aimee Linden: | HI |
[13:59] | Aimee Linden: | afk for a mo |
[13:59] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | hey amiee |
[14:00] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | yo tech |
[14:00] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I just tried http texture on aditi. It work, but is hard to stress it. They took out 90% of the prims around Morris. |
[14:00] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Its nothing but empty fields around Morris. |
[14:01] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Hi merov |
[14:01] | Robin Cornelius: | Hi |
[14:01] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | hey tech i tried the pathc in SNOW-654 to no avail i still build all tests and run them |
[14:01] | JIRA-helper: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-654 [#SNOW-654] Bulding of integration_tests when not needed. |
[14:01] | Techwolf Lupindo: | You looking fine today. :-) |
[14:01] | Ardy Lay: | Why does Merov have pink hair? |
[14:01] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | hey robin |
[14:01] | Merov Linden: | Hi guys |
[14:01] | Robin Cornelius: | Wolf did you add -DLL_TESTS:BOOL=OFF to develop.py |
[14:01] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | hye merov |
[14:01] | Morgaine Dinova: | Hi Merov |
[14:01] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Wolfpup, -DLL_TESTS:BOOL=FALSE? |
[14:02] | Ardy Lay: | Hmm... Guess his appearence didn't load for me. |
[14:02] | Robin Cornelius: | FALSE,OFF all the same to cmake |
[14:02] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | no i had to copy and paste the cmake file |
[14:02] | Merov Linden: | k, time to start |
[14:02] | Merov Linden: | Agenda, as always: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda |
[14:02] | Ardy Lay: | Oh fudge, I forgot to add something to the agenda. |
[14:02] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | and SNOW-658 is a pain |
[14:02] | JIRA-helper: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-658 [#SNOW-658] Notifier Issue Since [sldev-commits] r3349 |
[14:02] | Merov Linden: | go ahead Ardy |
[14:02] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Ardy, it not too late. Add it. |
[14:03] | Merov Linden: | Good agenda indeed |
[14:04] | Merov Linden: | First, quick update on what I've done |
[14:04] | Merov Linden: | this week |
[14:04] | Opensource Obscure: | /me crashed multiple times by opening chat history on both Win & Linux. If anyone has seen that or has info about JIRA please IM him. |
[14:04] | Merov Linden: | I created a looong spreadsheet of all 1.x commits and if we should or not port to 2.0 |
[14:05] | Merov Linden: | I wanted to share it on the public wiki but had problem uploading it :/ |
[14:05] | Robin Cornelius: | gogole docs |
[14:05] | Boroondas Gupte: | or send it to me and I'll make a wiki table from it |
[14:05] | Merov Linden: | Well, I may do that in the end, did other Lindens shared google docs externally |
[14:05] | Merov Linden: | ? |
[14:05] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i now have VS2005PRO to build with |
[14:05] | Merov Linden: | /me doesn't know |
[14:05] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Merov, I created a jira and checked my contrubitation that was comminted to 1.x made to 2.0 and made a patch updated the doc/contrubations.txt of the ones that made it ok. |
[14:06] | Opensource Obscure: | i think yes. i will look it up now |
[14:06] | Boroondas Gupte: | I think CT (community translations) used Google docs at one time. |
[14:06] | Boroondas Gupte: | Issue is, one needs a google account to edit. |
[14:06] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | /me < found a source for the dvd and it includes all msdn documents |
[14:06] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I think everyone has a g-mail account by now. :-) |
[14:06] | Boroondas Gupte: | I don't |
[14:06] | Aimee Linden: | should be no problem to world share a single google doc |
[14:06] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i know i have a google account |
[14:07] | Opensource Obscure: | Josh did it : http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=0AfAytYlNCPECZGZ2M24yMl8yN2N0OGJueGNy&hl=en |
[14:07] | Merov Linden: | k, I'll share it "public" then |
[14:07] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | you can set a google doc be readalble without the need to log in even. |
[14:07] | Merov Linden: | I'm 75% through |
[14:07] | Boroondas Gupte: | 75% of the issues? |
[14:08] | Merov Linden: | the good news is that there isn't too many tricky ones to port |
[14:08] | Merov Linden: | 75% of the 1.x commits |
[14:08] | Boroondas Gupte: | cool |
[14:08] | Merov Linden: | the semi bad news (semi 'cause not unexpected) is that some of the "big" features are not going to be piece of cakes |
[14:08] | Robin Cornelius: | i'm rapidly catching up too so should be able to do the socks 5 stuff and my other odds and ends soon |
[14:09] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i just hope they do not 'break' the viewer and worse that R3349 did |
[14:09] | Merov Linden: | namely: SOCKS5, OPG Login, Translation features (SNOW-93) |
[14:09] | JIRA-helper: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-93 [#SNOW-93] Automatic language translation of chat messages |
[14:09] | Merov Linden: | I think what I should do next (once done with the spreadsheet and sharing it_ |
[14:10] | Merov Linden: | is to create a JIRA for each port task |
[14:10] | Merov Linden: | then we can all merely through it |
[14:10] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Some have been created, so need to check for that first. |
[14:10] | Boroondas Gupte: | yeah |
[14:10] | Merov Linden: | I'm feeling pretty confident actually after looking at most of them |
[14:11] | Merov Linden: | Techwolf: yes, I'm doing that at the same time, i.e. referencing those that are already ported with their JIRA and commit |
[14:11] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | woner if it might be a good idea to make a meta issue for source codeing with sub tasks for the different OS's |
[14:12] | Merov Linden: | source coding? what do you mean |
[14:12] | Merov Linden: | /me doesn't know of any other coding but source... |
[14:12] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | for those that are doing their own compileing |
[14:12] | Merov Linden: | o, a meta issue for build issues |
[14:13] | Merov Linden: | yes |
[14:13] | Techwolf Lupindo: | SNOW-643 is one that allready created for porting a feature to 2.x |
[14:13] | Merov Linden: | please do, this is a good thing |
[14:13] | JIRA-helper: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-643 [#SNOW-643] Water flickers and disappears in patches (Snowglobe 2.0 clone of VWR-12984) |
[14:13] | Techwolf Lupindo: | /me catches up to chat. |
[14:13] | Merov Linden: | cool, thanks Techwolf |
[14:13] | Boroondas Gupte: | Dunno, we already have the "source code" component. Wouldn't a META be redundant, here? |
[14:14] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | ok ill work on geting it up with sub issues for the different operating ssystems and such |
[14:14] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I/We just found a build problem with gcc 4.4.3. |
[14:14] | Merov Linden: | well, "source code" cover picky issues related to code style for instance, not necessarily build issues |
[14:14] | Boroondas Gupte: | ah, ic |
[14:14] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I've been using that for my build fixes patches. re:source code. |
[14:14] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | also the difference in compilers |
[14:15] | Merov Linden: | ok, that's for my update on this |
[14:15] | Merov Linden: | also, not on the agenda but something I worked on: we hired someone to be robla's replacement! |
[14:15] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | If you have a bunch of windows CMake patches, for example, it makes sense to group them somehow. |
[14:15] | Merov Linden: | I'm super excited by that :) |
[14:15] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | im running three different ones on my system but can only get a successful build in one of them |
[14:15] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | o/ |
[14:16] | Merov Linden: | can't tell his name yet, I think it's better if he introduces himself but he should be here next week! |
[14:16] | Boroondas Gupte: | quick interlude question: you're goin' to update https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Source_downloads , right, Merov? (There was a question on the Talk page) |
[14:16] | Nicky Perian: | afk puppies are bossing me to feed them |
[14:16] | Merov Linden: | /me checks Boroondas link |
[14:17] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | mine dose that when im hosting an even in the mornings nicky |
[14:17] | Merov Linden: | o yes! Boroondas |
[14:17] | Opensource Obscure: | great news Merov |
[14:17] | Boroondas Gupte: | indeed :-) |
[14:17] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | Borrondas: those are files that went missing in the great S3 purge? |
[14:17] | Boroondas Gupte: | yeah |
[14:17] | Merov Linden: | haven't had time yet but I email opensource-dev about it (as you know I'm sure) |
[14:18] | Merov Linden: | definitely next on my list of things to do (after the big scrub of 1.x port) |
[14:18] | Boroondas Gupte: | Ah, that was on the ML, then. I searched the Meeting archives and couldn't find it :-P |
[14:18] | Boroondas Gupte: | I knew you mentioned it somewhere ... |
[14:18] | Merov Linden: | That was as an answer to someone who complained about not finding the 1.23 bundles |
[14:19] | Merov Linden: | k, next on the agenda |
[14:19] | Merov Linden: | SL7B, Question from Robin |
[14:19] | Merov Linden: | or rather, proposal from Robin |
[14:20] | Merov Linden: | I'd say: yes, yes and yes... We need to drum around so more devs join for sure |
[14:20] | Boroondas Gupte: | I like the idea, but another thing that'll eat time I don't have :-P |
[14:20] | Merov Linden: | Is that a good venue for this though? |
[14:20] | Aimee Linden: | sounds a great idea |
[14:20] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I like the idea. But what to put on display? |
[14:20] | Robin Cornelius: | opensim were there last year as were other viewers i thought |
[14:20] | Aimee Linden: | fits well with the SL7B theme too |
[14:20] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i know that feeling boroondas |
[14:20] | Merov Linden: | /me hasn't be active in SLxB in the past |
[14:21] | Robin Cornelius: | Aimee no Fic Messenger this year please |
[14:21] | Aimee Linden: | LOL |
[14:21] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Robin, care to point to a referece for those of us that are wondering....like me. :-) |
[14:21] | Merov Linden: | Well,now that we have someone to replace robla, that sounds like a good project for him to get to know the community |
[14:21] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | /me agrees with techwolf |
[14:21] | Merov Linden: | and get to be known by it :) |
[14:22] | Aimee Linden: | very much so |
[14:22] | Robin Cornelius: | cool so how do we proceed |
[14:22] | Ardy Lay: | Hehe, Merov+ |
[14:22] | Robin Cornelius: | should i place an application now? |
[14:22] | Merov Linden: | I'll put that on his lap first thing Monday :) |
[14:22] | Robin Cornelius: | great, he can ping me directly if he wants as well i'm happy to help |
[14:23] | Merov Linden: | actually, in general, this is a good subject: what are the good venues to recruit devs? promote the existence of Snowglobe? |
[14:23] | Merov Linden: | IW? RL? |
[14:23] | Techwolf Lupindo: | /. |
[14:23] | Techwolf Lupindo: | /me chuckels |
[14:24] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i saw some where in the opensource-dev mail about trying to update to newer boost files any thing about that |
[14:24] | Merov Linden: | /me is still a puff of smoke on his own clint |
[14:24] | Merov Linden: | *client |
[14:24] | Ardy Lay: | Merov, you are not properly loaded for me either. |
[14:24] | Merov Linden: | hold that thought Wolfpup |
[14:24] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I think IW would be a good place. They need to be intrested in the SL to start with. |
[14:24] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | I think snowglobe is pretty visible already, we just need to lower the various barrienrs for enty (easier building, more communicating, etc.) |
[14:25] | Boroondas Gupte: | No worries, Merov, I see your pink hair. |
[14:25] | Merov Linden: | actually, our stat show that Snowglobe daily use is at his historical high right now |
[14:25] | Merov Linden: | and climbing... |
[14:25] | Robin Cornelius: | +1 for making building easier, we have experienced devs pulling their hair at 2.X source compiles again |
[14:25] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Waht version? |
[14:25] | Ardy Lay: | What version(s)? |
[14:25] | Merov Linden: | we're scratching our head as to why... |
[14:25] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | robin ++ |
[14:25] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | requiring VC80 on windows is a pretty high barrier, it seems |
[14:26] | Morgaine Dinova: | Well people will use anything to avoid Viewer2.0 ... |
[14:26] | Merov Linden: | +1 on easy build requirements |
[14:26] | Robin Cornelius: | VC90 is 99.9% complete it just needs my boost build to work |
[14:26] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Yea...who did the easy build project? |
[14:26] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | thick im running it in windows 7-32bit |
[14:26] | Robin Cornelius: | Tech easybuild was done by cmake |
[14:26] | Robin Cornelius: | err kitware cmakes creators |
[14:26] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Ok. |
[14:26] | Merov Linden: | o, I was not talking about that *easybuild* (one word) but, fair engouh |
[14:27] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | just did as build and it fully built including the installer |
[14:27] | Merov Linden: | that too... a mean to an end |
[14:27] | Merov Linden: | we talked about it Tuesday I think |
[14:27] | Merov Linden: | robla was the one handling the Kitware relationship |
[14:27] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I was wondering it there was any effert to compleate that or keep going and get cmake to do everthing, incouding install. |
[14:27] | Nicky Perian: | i still have webkit issues with vc90 |
[14:27] | Merov Linden: | I need to track who owns it now and revive this |
[14:28] | Merov Linden: | Techwolf: that's what I'm trying to find out |
[14:28] | Merov Linden: | +1 |
[14:28] | Robin Cornelius: | it was pretty much a fixed contract i though? that IMHO never quite met Roblas objectives |
[14:28] | Techwolf Lupindo: | The more I work with the cmake files, the more it looks like someone was thinking C/C++ when they did the cmake files and its a spagattie mess now. |
[14:29] | Merov Linden: | spagattie sounds bad indeed |
[14:29] | Robin Cornelius: | i think too many people have added there own style to them |
[14:29] | Techwolf Lupindo: | /me can't spell today....hehe |
[14:29] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I've gotten so familaer with it now that I could finished up that project. |
[14:29] | Aimee Linden: | cmake has evolved a lot since we started too |
[14:30] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Yea. |
[14:30] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | mabey the cmake files need to have a code guideline just like the c++ dose as far as formating gose |
[14:30] | Merov Linden: | k, summary: investigate SL7B preso of SG (Robin may help), need to make build easier, easybuild to revive? (Merov) |
[14:30] | Merov Linden: | that's good |
[14:30] | Techwolf Lupindo: | And where to put the include statments. Right now, there is find quiltelly ON due to calling the same file about 20 times. |
[14:30] | Merov Linden: | other venues IW where we should try to present? show ourselves? |
[14:31] | Robin Cornelius: | i need more copy for my expo display in the order corner |
[14:31] | Robin Cornelius: | i've got a rather poor SG display there |
[14:31] | Morgaine Dinova: | Wasn't develop.py intended to disappear eventually once we moved to cmake? Seem to recall that from robla's days. |
[14:31] | Merov Linden: | Morgaine: that was the goal of the easybuild project |
[14:31] | Merov Linden: | indeed |
[14:32] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Quiet a few .cmake files can be merged with other cmake files. |
[14:32] | Boroondas Gupte: | actually, one *can* build without calling delelop.py, already now |
[14:32] | Boroondas Gupte: | (I do that, because I want out-of-source-tree builds) |
[14:32] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Some more .cmake files can be merged by using a marco subroute. |
[14:33] | Merov Linden: | yeah, if you look into develop.py, there's a lot of fiddling around things that cmake should be able to script |
[14:33] | Morgaine Dinova: | Sure, I just use "cmake . ; make". But I think the develop.py is called internally, isn't it? |
[14:33] | Merov Linden: | but doesn't |
[14:33] | Robin Cornelius: | i do not use develop.py either |
[14:33] | Robin Cornelius: | Morgaine no |
[14:33] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Boroondas, that what I do in my ebuilds. I build snowglobe and other client withOUT using devolpe.py |
[14:33] | Merov Linden: | no develop.py calls cmake |
[14:33] | Morgaine Dinova: | Oh that's cool. Why hasn't it disappeared then? |
[14:33] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | boroondas that is true but you have to run develop.py at least once to get the project files for VS |
[14:33] | Robin Cornelius: | other python scripts are used for download of package |
[14:33] | Merov Linden: | as I said: some fiddling required |
[14:34] | Boroondas Gupte: | Yeah, I'm not sure about the situation on Windows. |
[14:34] | Merov Linden: | /me can't think of all the details right now |
[14:34] | Boroondas Gupte: | Might be avoiding develop.py is easier on Linux. |
[14:34] | Merov Linden: | I think I got so used to the build oddities on Mac and Windows that I don't see them anymore... <sigh/> |
[14:34] | Morgaine Dinova: | Hehe |
[14:34] | Robin Cornelius: | develop.py does do more on windows such as identify the VS version to use from registry calls then uses that to invoke cmake |
[14:35] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | -*@ ROFL @*- |
[14:35] | Robin Cornelius: | it also invokes vstool (for non express versions) that is also a nice helper, but camke could invoke |
[14:35] | Aimee Linden: | we have build oddities? I thought everything else was weird in being so easy :D |
[14:35] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | that is true robin |
[14:35] | Techwolf Lupindo: | My ebuilds have gotten so smart that I forget some of the build oddies tooo. |
[14:35] | Merov Linden: | k, let's try to move on a bit will we? :) |
[14:36] | Morgaine Dinova: | Aimee: worth noting that nobody laughed :D |
[14:36] | Robin Cornelius: | one issue is cmake cann't bootstrap itsself, so you always need to call cmake with at least a -G option and there were some other issues that Bill Hoffman discussed with us either here on on sl-dev |
[14:36] | Merov Linden: | bunch of issues introduced by recent 2.02 merges |
[14:36] | Merov Linden: | that's a *very good* topic |
[14:36] | Merov Linden: | I'm having second thoughts on having done that merge... |
[14:36] | Techwolf Lupindo: | All the patches that i've submitted was for fixes on new code. |
[14:37] | Merov Linden: | really, may be I jumped the gun here |
[14:37] | Merov Linden: | the situation: |
[14:37] | Nicky Perian: | i get intermittent crashes with avatar attachments on 2.0.2 |
[14:37] | Merov Linden: | we now have an internal viewer-public repo that get exported to viewer-external every day |
[14:37] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i think i may have figured out the issue in SNOW-658 |
[14:37] | Merov Linden: | you can see the 2.0.2 dev progress daily which is a good thing |
[14:38] | Merov Linden: | but I'm wondering if thinking SG 2.0 trunk to that was a good inded |
[14:38] | Merov Linden: | *idea |
[14:38] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | it has to do with some missing lines in the xml file |
[14:38] | Robin Cornelius: | Merov are the commits triggering commit emails? |
[14:38] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I got snowglobe lastest 2.x running and jsut ran it on aditi with http texture enabled. It works. |
[14:39] | Merov Linden: | the export is Robin (the export is a commit to svn viewer-external) |
[14:39] | Merov Linden: | anyway, my problem is that we get SG trunk now unstable with 2.0.2 viewer-public dev work |
[14:39] | Nicky Perian: | how often is it synced to sg trunk? |
[14:40] | Merov Linden: | Nicky: I do a weekly merge |
[14:40] | Merov Linden: | IOW: viewer-external: daily sync to viewer-public, SG trunk: weekly sync to viewer-external |
[14:41] | Merov Linden: | I'm questioning the wisdom of that last one |
[14:41] | Merov Linden: | especially right now as I would like to finish the SG 1.x port and release a true SG2.0 |
[14:41] | Merov Linden: | 2.0.1 is stable but 2.0.2 is not right now |
[14:42] | Robin Cornelius: | we are also loosing cycles in a fighting of the build constantly |
[14:42] | Nicky Perian: | yes |
[14:42] | Nicky Perian: | ++ |
[14:42] | Merov Linden: | yes, and 2.0.2 with all its add/remove of files didn't help... |
[14:43] | Robin Cornelius: | it also hit gcc bugs on 4.4.3 ;-/ |
[14:43] | Merov Linden: | that's one of the problem: shouldn't we stabilize SG2.0 using 2.0.1 as a base? |
[14:43] | Nicky Perian: | is there a revert? |
[14:43] | Robin Cornelius: | can we branch? |
[14:43] | Techwolf Lupindo: | There needs to be a stable 2.x to start off with, then svn can be unstable. |
[14:43] | Boroondas Gupte: | Feature branches! Feature branches! Feature branches! |
[14:43] | Merov Linden: | we can do whatever we feel we need to do |
[14:43] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i know it took nearly 45 min for it to process the SVN update when 3349 was posted |
[14:44] | Robin Cornelius: | SG2 trunk could keep weekly sync, but we probably need a 2.X branch to spin a release out of |
[14:44] | Merov Linden: | my personal favorite though would be not to branch but to revert those few 2.0.2 merges I did |
[14:44] | Merov Linden: | stay put on 2.0.1, complete the 1.x merges and release SG 2.0 |
[14:44] | Merov Linden: | then merge viewer-external , whereever it is by then |
[14:45] | Merov Linden: | better ideas? |
[14:45] | Robin Cornelius: | isn't that a logical branch point though? or do you feel there is nothing gained with a SG Trunk as well as you can just look in viewer-external anyway ATM? |
[14:45] | Boroondas Gupte: | that'b be a huge merge |
[14:45] | Nicky Perian: | merov++ |
[14:45] | Merov Linden: | Well Boroondas, I'm doing those nerges *weekly* now |
[14:46] | Merov Linden: | /me agonizes... |
[14:46] | Merov Linden: | I saw that people are building off viewer-external anyway |
[14:46] | Boroondas Gupte: | Feature branches have a major advantage: they could merge trunk regularly so once a feature is ready to get into trunk, that'd be almost a no-op. |
[14:46] | Merov Linden: | folks in viewer land was surprised to see EXT bugs logged against 2.0.2 by resi :) |
[14:46] | Nicky Perian: | maybe you could misplace yout to do list for a couple of weeks |
[14:46] | Techwolf Lupindo: | /me adds another topic to the agenda on the wiki, |
[14:47] | Ardy Lay: | V2 is still a rapidly moving target with unpredicatble trajectory changes. I make my patches against viewer-external right now as Snowglobe 2 seems to be missing some of the recent changes that make V2 almost tollerable for me. |
[14:48] | Ardy Lay: | Those changes showed up VERY recently. |
[14:48] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | heh, this is from IRC just now: <llNyx> 2.0.2 is our working model, things are changing everyday. sometimes stuff gets broken a bit |
[14:48] | Merov Linden: | hmmm... so Ardy you'd be in teh camp of "bear the pain but jump to the end line now" rather than staggering the merges |
[14:48] | Techwolf Lupindo: | EXT? I don't have access to that anymore. |
[14:48] | Boroondas Gupte: | neither me |
[14:49] | Ardy Lay: | Merov, I am not doing merges so I am obstaining from voting. |
[14:49] | Merov Linden: | well, I'm ok to suffer through the merges *if* that makes *your* life easier as participants in the project |
[14:49] | Boroondas Gupte: | I think it doesn't |
[14:50] | Merov Linden: | but if it makes your life harder, that's not a good idea |
[14:50] | Nicky Perian: | me neither |
[14:50] | Merov Linden: | OK |
[14:50] | Boroondas Gupte: | but it'd be nice if we could cherry-pick the stuff that doesn't break anything ;-) |
[14:50] | Boroondas Gupte: | (not a good idea as long as we're on SVN) |
[14:51] | Merov Linden: | well, that's another one |
[14:51] | Merov Linden: | using hg |
[14:51] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Is there any plans on moving to hg externially? |
[14:51] | Merov Linden: | I've been using it internally a lot and come to really prefer its merge model |
[14:51] | Merov Linden: | soooo much better.... |
[14:52] | Nicky Perian: | if we could somehow get 2.0.1 stuck stable?? then move on with the merges tha would allow both options |
[14:52] | Ardy Lay: | I just don't seem to be able to follow the logic of developing against a stale tree, for some various definitions of stale. Sure, it's a pain when "upstream" makes changes that destabilize building and execution but I don't know how to handle that any better than you are now, with your own branch(es). |
[14:52] | Merov Linden: | k, I think we converge then: rollback the 2.0.2 merges I did and stabilize trunk using 2.0.1 |
[14:53] | Merov Linden: | that won't change the daily 2.0.2 update on viewer-external though |
[14:53] | Ardy Lay: | Okay |
[14:53] | Merov Linden: | so you know what's happening and we make good on our promise of being a better open source project |
[14:54] | Boroondas Gupte: | :-) |
[14:54] | Merov Linden: | but for now, that'll make the SG2.0 project easier to manage with a reasonable release date... |
[14:54] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | /me doesn't have an opinion on that, since he isn't using using 2.0 on a daily basis, and isn't merging anything. |
[14:55] | Merov Linden: | Pfffew,,, Thanks guys, I really agonized on this |
[14:55] | Merov Linden: | I'll emailed opensource-dev though before doing that as some other folks might disagree |
[14:55] | Merov Linden: | or not like it |
[14:55] | Merov Linden: | we've 5 minutes left only |
[14:56] | Merov Linden: | I think we covered 3 with this decision of rollbacking |
[14:56] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i have not even though of working on the viewer-ext code sine im doing things in the sg v2 code |
[14:56] | Merov Linden: | WolfPup:you can't commit on viewer-external |
[14:57] | Nicky Perian: | merov, are there write ups for apache library build in windows? |
[14:57] | Robin Cornelius: | kk well i can pospone this 2.0.2 vs GCC 4.4.3 fight for the moment then ;-) |
[14:57] | Merov Linden: | no one can actually: it's supposed to be the exported copy of a pristine internal viewer-public repo |
[14:57] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | as far as i knoe i can commit in sg either |
[14:57] | Merov Linden: | keep it warm Robin :) |
[14:57] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | can not thst is |
[14:57] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | BTW, Yay Merov, first message to sldev-commits with internal commit messages included (committed to viewer-external) |
[14:57] | Robin Cornelius: | Merov i' considering just not using 4.4.3 |
[14:57] | Merov Linden: | did pass? |
[14:57] | Merov Linden: | /me checks |
[14:57] | Robin Cornelius: | 4.4.4 works for Aleric |
[14:58] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | http://svn.secondlife.com/trac/linden/changeset/3357 |
[14:59] | Merov Linden: | nice! |
[14:59] | Merov Linden: | that stupid script stuck its tongue to me twice... |
[14:59] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Nice. |
[14:59] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I use to have access to EXT. :-/ |
[15:00] | Boroondas Gupte: | very cool. Now if we could the commits themselves broken down. |
[15:00] | Boroondas Gupte: | *could get |
[15:00] | Merov Linden: | well, that's another one I'll work on: pushing the export automatically on commit |
[15:01] | Boroondas Gupte: | o/ |
[15:01] | Merov Linden: | I need to discuss some things with CG before though |
[15:01] | Merov Linden: | k, I've another meeting starting now |
[15:02] | Merov Linden: | with my manager so better not make him wait... |
[15:02] | Robin Cornelius: | BTW Oscar on beta grid is talking about 1.40 inc http-texture |
[15:02] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | i got to switch grids for a meeting as well |
[15:02] | Robin Cornelius: | thansk Merov |
[15:02] | WolfPup Lowenhar: | that is where im heading now robin |
[15:02] | Merov Linden: | I'll check what SNOW-652 is about |
[15:02] | JIRA-helper: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-652 [#SNOW-652] APP URI to cause viewer to chat a specified message on a specified channel can be used to cause problems for others. |
[15:02] | Merov Linden: | (o right, I remember now...) |
[15:03] | Boroondas Gupte: | There was some spam on https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Portal ... could we get that locked before this becomes an edit war? |
[15:03] | Ardy Lay: | secondlife:///app/chat/0/SNOW-652 |
[15:03] | Ardy Lay: | I blocked that in my patches attached to that JIRA |
[15:03] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | to click or not to click? |
[15:03] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | SNOW-652 |
[15:03] | Boroondas Gupte: | :-P |
[15:04] | Ardy Lay: | In V2 is has to be blocked in IM seperately so in two files. |
[15:04] | Merov Linden: | Boroondas: who's that Eugene guy? |
[15:05] | Boroondas Gupte: | no idea |
[15:05] | Robin Cornelius: | ok night all, i need sleep! |
[15:05] | Ardy Lay: | I have no clue what possible legitimate application that app uri might have, so I ask. |
[15:05] | Boroondas Gupte: | Ardy, I can't imagine any. |
[15:05] | Merov Linden: | I'll check Boroondas... |
[15:05] | Merov Linden: | need to go now |
[15:05] | Boroondas Gupte: | /me waves |
[15:06] | Merov Linden: | see you Tuesday... with the new Open Source Director I hope :) |
[15:06] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | see you |
[15:06] | Aimee Linden: | bye! |
[15:06] | Techwolf Lupindo: | darn...didnt' get to snowglobe stats agenda |
[15:07] | Ardy Lay: | I left the structure for it in, just kinda made it a no-op so the thing doesn't open a location panel with invalid data in it. |
[15:08] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | Techwolf, that was done by roblabot... maybe we can convince robla's replacment it's his job... |
[15:09] | Techwolf Lupindo: | merov metching snowglobe useage is climbing. I was asking if they can up some usage stats. |
[15:09] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | Robla had a setup that posted the stats daily to some mailing list |
[15:10] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/snowglobe-automails/2009-November/thread.html |
[15:13] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | that wiki spam is weird |
[15:13] | Boroondas Gupte: | it is |
[15:13] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | it looks like he only did it to the open source portal page |
[15:13] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | "custom term papers" lol |
[15:14] | Boroondas Gupte: | hmm ... do you think I should let Eugene write my Semester Thesis for me? |
[15:14] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | heh |
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