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ZINDRA COMMUNITY MEETING SECRETARY AGENDA LOCATED AT https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda#.3D.3D_UPCOMING_OCTOBER_25TH_.28MONDAY.29_The_Zindra_Community_Secretary.27s_Agenda:_.3D.3D_Please_feel_free_to_add_to_this_agenda.

Meeting Order: Old Business (Reports) then New Business (Proposals). followed by any Open Questions
Note: Reports must be updates on pre-existing Proposals
Note: Proposals must exist in writing (in notecards and published somewhere online) to be valid.
If it is not a Report or Proposal, add it to the Open Questions section.
Please add your item to the bottom of the appropriate section. Agenda is Finalized 24 hours before Meeting.

AGENDA for MON OCT 25 11AM (Chairperson: Blondin Linden)
Reports (Old Business)
* What is the purpose of the Zindra Expo group? I ask that Blondin clearly states the purpose of this group and clarifies if it is indeed a Linden led community group. If it is not a community group, this must be reflected both in the group charter and how this group is handled. The original purpose of the group was a pure, once off event group. - Counter Landfall
* Reminder to Update the Zindra Flickr Group Pool (to get more member's photos in there!
http://www.flickr.com/groups/exploringzindra/
* Zindra Flickr Slideshow Kiosk Information Balls
- Giving out better age-verify information?
- Giving out an LM to a 'Zindra Gateway'?
* Podyan Sim:
a) Did glitches get fixed?
b) Podyan / Zindra switch: The verdict?
* Art Maze: responses from LL
http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011
* Zindra Mentor Team: call for more team members
http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team
* Age Verification Kiosks at InfoHubs: Status?

Proposals (New Business)
* Zindra Ambassador Program (ZAP): connecting more people with Zindra news
http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-ambassador-program

Placing an age verification info kiosk with pop up URL in all moderate and adult/safe etc. info hubs. (NOTE)As a matter of record this is not new business, it is actually old business. I posted this as questions because as the NKOTB I was unaware it was old business, so this needs to be revisited. Also, my postings to this page have been moved and edited by Ginette without consent . I did approache her reguarding this issue and asked in the future she either get permission to edit others post on this wiki and initial it. -colleen Criss

Open Questions
Why are the age verification kiosks NOT out at all info hubs? - colleen Criss
Why does the Flickr slide show kiosks only show photos from Ginettes flickr? - colleen Criss
Why does IT not give age verification info and an LM for a Zindra Gateway? - colleen Criss
Why is Ginette re-working posts by someone else on this wiki? We are supposed to add what we want here and no one is to edit our writings. And since Ginentte never volunteered in the approved position of Community Secretary - why is she attempting to create some side-agenda - especially when Ginette says ONLY Blondin can create the weekly agenda - and Blondin has no edited this wiki ONCE since our last meeting? - Lias Leandros

MEETING RECAP from MON OCT 18 11AM (Chairperson: Blondin Linden)
' * Exploring Zindra Flickr Pool: Pool needs to be updated: - still needs to be updated by Admin.....
* Flickr Slideshow Kiosk: - Kiosk is now at Oritz and Arapaima InfoHubs (check it out!).....

* Podyan sim: - Scripting and Building glitches still to be fixed - Zindra sim/Podyan name switch PENDING (if happens Podyan becomes Zindra, Zindra becomes Podyan)
* Art Maze 2011: Island Event Proposal submitted to LL: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011

* Zindra Mentor Team: call to start a brainstorming team to come up with ideas for Mentor programs. Contact Ginette Pinazzo or Ratatosk Independent to join this new team

* What happens when Blondin cancels a meeting? Meetings continue as 30 minute format; chair will be appointed by Blondin This is not a 'done deal'. if he is talking about appointing another Linden then that's his prerogative. Blondin should not appoint any community member to 'run' this community meeting. That should happen on the community-level. TO BE DISCUSSED

* What about teens migrating to main grid?: Zada wants to know! Zada may reframe her question on this topic to be more specific Blondin answered that they stay in the PG sims only and have no access to Mature or Adult sims.

The previous Agenda and Recap are in accordance with agreed-upon meeting agenda and procedure format as approved at the OH meetings. Anything following is commentary and any instances of text copied from other sources should be viewed as annotated text only, not original. All writers are strongly encouraged to sign their posts, like this! - Ginette Pinazzo

Ginette's statements are not what was agreed upon. We agreed upon a COMMUNITY SECRETARY. The 'agenda' for this week was written by Blondin Linden - not our secretary. Blondin agreed if the ZINDRA ALLIANCE OPEN ENROLLMENT GROUP would make a secretary role, we would seek volunteers to volunteer and act as monthly secretaries. I volunteered for October and collen Criss Volunteered for November (so Far). Please scroll down and see the actual QUOTES from Blondin Linden agreeing to this. Anyone wanting to volunteer as a Community Secretary (post the minutes, meeting agenda wrp-ups and send out the new agendas for the following week) for a Month please join the ZINDRA ALLIANCE group and ask Counter Landfall for a Secretary tag. Thanks.'-Lias Leandros'

I would like to add that the way we got the agenda 5 minutes after the meeting started from Lias Leandros - Our secretary for this month apparently - was a very poor show and lacked any sort of efficency of the system. It did not provide me with time to consider the items she had on the the agenda. As it has been stated that items for the agenda closes 24 hours before the meeting, can I suggest at that point we are provided with those agenda items so we dn't have a repeat of this week's farce - Force. __________________________________

In reference to Forceme and the poor form shown here, I had both agendas from both Lias and Ginette BEFORE the meeting. If you didn't that is your fault not theirs. Lias did say she resent her copy when she arrived at the meeting to be sure everyone got it. Exit right the the sandbox Force or get on the program and stop disrupting this forum.This is for the AGENDA and OLD/NEW Business. Save the bickering for the sandbox. thank you - colleen Criss

With reference to colleen's comment above. Explain to me please how it is my fault that I did not get Lias' agenda before the meeting, coz that quite baffles me. How did you get yours from Lias BEFORE the meeting? Have ya thought how it is odd that there are two agendas? Is that not an alarm bell for ya? In terms of bickering, which is Lias' favourite word which I see you have copied, who is the one who has logged in here to bicker, hmm? Seems you are pretty keen to do so. I am not sure why you think it's OK for you to come in and bicker, explain to me what-for, and then tell me to "save the bickering for the sandbox". How rude and condescending is that? If this is a place as you say for AGENDA and OLD/NEW Business, why are you adding to the fray by writing stuff which is NOT AGENDA and OLD/NEW Business. A little quote for you sunshine, "People in who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones". I am not surprised you left the Expo group in disgust; most have. With time, you will recognise who the real problem is. - Force

Excuse me Force, if you'd like to show exactly where your sandbox is we can discuss further. IF anyone IN either group did NOT get Lias aganda notecard, I'll assume she is either blocked or muted by members. I got mine thru group , why didn't you. If you do NOT like public bickering you can contact me inworld and stop whining all over this wiki. This is for business NOT for you to come in with "__Who gave you permission to bicker. Now be quiet Lias, Shhh. - Force. Game over. Be part of a solution or be part of a problem the choice is up to all adult individuals.

Sure colleen - You'll find me at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bondage%20Playground%201/120/130/91 Come discuss. I never said I didn't like public bickering by the way, I would prefer you did not put words in my mouth. You and Lias are the ones who are talking about not bickering. See you soon, I hope!

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The agenda was sent to the Zindra Alliance open enrollment Community group as an attachment to a notice before the 11AM meeting on October 18th. I waited until I saw that no agenda from any community secretary was coming to the group at all. Then I provided the agenda from the trsncripts from the meeting the week before. I agree there was no efficiency. Ginette said at the meeting "[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: secretaries are key for every meeting, but until the Expo group (not a private group) has notices going out, it doesnt seem to be happening yet." I have no idea why she assumes this is her decision to make but I am assuming that is why the secretary role was attempted to be removed from the community. The current agenda for October 25th (so far) can be found at the bottom of this page, also here http://zindraminutes.blogspot.com/ and posted as an event in the SLuniverse.com forums here http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/events/50625-zindra-community-meeting-blondin-linden.html#post1049923. This agenda was also sent as an attachment in the Zindra Alliance group and spammed out to the ZEXPO event group Blondin runs. - Lias Leandros

You state clearly that YOU Lias are secretary for OCTOBER. Why you should be waiting for someone else to do your work, baffles me. - Force.

Because Ginette clearly stated there was no secretary for the Zindra Community - as she did once a gain this evening in the Zexpo group chat when I delivered the agenda to the community. Yet you obviously heard that there were Zindra Secretaries. If you really thought the agenda should be closed and distributed 24hours before the meeting you would have posted these complaints last Sunday. Collen Criss was clever enough to notice that there was no comprehensive agenda on this site and she contacted me last Sunday. I saw Ginette's statement about not allowing a community secretary until it was not apart of ZA and decided to post as the Secretary and wait to see if anyone else stepped forward in the role. Since the meeting proceeded without a community agenda I then added one. Also, if you had ANY agenda items I would have found them here before Sunday and included them - because you are aware this is where everyone is to post their agenda items 24 HOURS BEFORE THE COMMUNITY MEETING. And you posted NOTHING. So much for farces.

And this is not to be a forum. If you want to CHAT I suggest a Instant Message or a forum. I am using this to post community information ONLY. Not bicker about 5 minutes with no agenda. You can do that on your own. The October 25th Agenda is posted below. Anyone can add agenda items and I will update it and get it out to the appropriate groups in a timely manner. - Lias Leandros'

Who gave you permission to bicker. Now be quiet Lias, Shhh. - Force.

[how to edit] Log in Top Right with your SL username and password, but first, check the URL, are you on the Secondlife.com website?. Top middle, click Edit. Abuse this page as much as you want. Click Save page, left below Done!

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Here is the ACTUAL community agenda discussed at the October 18th Zindra Community Meeting - most items were not addressed and must be added to the agenda for next week.

1. Exploring Zindra Flickr Group: Inworld Slideshow presentation.

1. Is it advertising? Response: Blondin Linden: the purpose would be to show people that there are things to do here in ZIndra. It's promoting a location, rather than a product. Like a travel agency :) 2. What Item is delivered upon touching the slideshow? NO ANSWER. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA 3. Six months ago it was promised that adult verification kiosks were to be placed in every mainland infohub. Will this slideshow be able t be placed in every single mainland infohub? ANSWER: Blondin Linden: Well Lias, it depends on the content of the pictures. Can't be anythign explicit but I think the idea of having some info out about ZIndra wouldnt be a bad idea. 4. Is the contenbt of the slideshow PG so it can be distributed everywhere? NO ANSWER. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA Besides Podyan, specifically where outside of Zindra will the slideshow be placed? NO ANSWER. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA

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"Blondin Linden: No I didnt take care of it. BUt I'll do so this week and have a bettter answer for you next week. SOrry about that" This is in response to a notecard that Silvanus Northman sent to Blondin about some 'glitches' [11:13] Silvanus Northman: but are not hard glitches more constuctive thoughts...

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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2. Switching the name of the Podyma sim to Zindra Gateway Sim.

Oct 18th Blondin said on this subject: [11:16] Blondin Linden: b) b) Podyan becomes Zindra Gateway: The verdict from Blondin? [11:16] Blondin Linden: first off - that term gateway is a bit misleading :) [11:17] Blondin Linden: b/c we just ended the CG program [11:20] Blondin Linden: It's easy enough to do. And I've proposed it, waiting for feedback. It may seem like a small task but I just want to make sure I'm covering all the bases. Which is why I have to wait for an approval FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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3. Meeting Minutes

[11:52] Lias Leandros: Last week Blondin you said: Blondin Linden: Counter, I still rely on your group (Zindra Alliance) as well, but I don’t have the ability to create roles there. So please - feel free and the meeting notes can be posted there as well.

Counter Landfall: you can post as many notes as you want there.

Blondin Linden: notes, but not roles.

[11:52] Lias Leandros: So Counter said that you can,indded post notices

[11:52] Lias Leandros: and he already has the secretary role there

[11:52] Lias Leandros: and those folks will take turns monthly with the agenda and minutes

[11:52] Counter Landfall: I added Blondin to it if he wants to be a secretary, but your unique role can post notes too

[11:56] Blondin Linden: I'll pick different people so its fair (about community secretaries for Zindra)

[11:57] Lias Leandros: Blondin did you just say you will pick the community secretaries for Zindra?NO ANSWER

[12:01] Lias Leandros: Counter is adding secretaries to the Zindra Alliance group so we get Community meeting agendas sent to us

[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: secretaries are key for every meeting, but until the Expo group (not a private group) has notices going out, it doesnt seem to be happening yet. [11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: ZA isa private group which is great...but cannot be the official' conduit of information. Community not in agreement. Blondin uses the open enrollment Zindra Alliance group to communicate to the community.

Not completely discussed. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

== 4. Ginette's Island Maze Proposal ==

Recap: Art Maze 2011 is a proposal I have had available for review, for months, and I have assembled a team already (there are 8 of us so far with room for more!). I've talked it up in the arts community (which is a very lucrative part of SL) and interest seems high. I believe it's a natural idea that appeals to many categories and will be high-profile enough and inclusive enough to reach far outside Zindra and attract attention. I think that involving the Arts is great way to crossover into a large market. Art Maze seems to have instant appeal to anyone I've spoken with.

QUESTIONS: 1. Will there be adult content in the Maze: ANSWER: YES

2. Will outside people be allowed to present artwork in this event that takes place in Zindra? ANSWER:YES - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

3. Can anyone participate? ANSWER: No. the 'team' that is volunteering to run this event will hand-pick the artists. - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA. (see 10/18 transcript HERE: http://zindraminutes.blogspot.com/2010/10/october-18th-community-meeting-minutes.htmlItalic text)

'MORE on the subject of the artist event:' ''[11:37] Blondin Linden: here's a question : how are the artisits chosen?

[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin, Id like tol formally submit this specific event proposal as of today...I think I;'ve hit all of the criteria in the proposal...I think!

[11:41] Blondin Linden: What do you suggest as an alternative Lias?

[11:43] Lias Leandros: yes set real limits - not a few people who like your art and accept you.

[11:44] Lias Leandros: size, materials used, timelines

[11:44] Lias Leandros: those are 'limits'

11:46] Lias Leandros: why would a 'door' open to a place outside of Zindra?

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: the point is to make an exciting event that will draw peoepl from all over....from outside Zindra...in theory it doesnt matter who the artists are...if they have draw, its better'

ANSWER: Blondin did not verbally approve this event to move forward and allow this 'team' to take over these 3 Linden Sims in Zindra in the name of the ZIndra Community. Guidelines must be discussed and accepted. Proposal here: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011 FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.'

5. Guest Speakers

1. Zada Bury: maybe sometime swe can have guest-talkers? Blondin Linden: I think Guest speakers is a great idea NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL. FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

6. Zindra Mentor Team

[11:46] Blondin Linden: * Zindra Mentor Team: proposal to form team to brainstorm mentor ideas http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team

"Ratatosk Independent has written a beautiful piece (see article at http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team) that outlines the problems and proposes possible solutions, related to the absence of Mentor programs for Zindra."

NOT DISCUSSED UNTIL READ BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.'

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7. Zindra Brainstorming Team Proposal

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: In light of this topic, I'd like to propose that we form a special Zindra Mentor Team. This will be a brainstorming team with the following mission: To think of as many ideas as possible, and develop them into actual proposals, for programs that connect with existing SL Mentor programs OR are new Zindra Mentor programs.

[11:49] Lias Leandros: And we have a office dedicated to just developing FREE Marketing events for ZIndrans. Its COMMERCIAL EVENTS SPECIALISTS and its located roadside in Yedboro Suggested that this service is already free and open to the community in Zindra through CES.

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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== 8. Blondin proposes what we do when he is not available to attend the meetings ==

[11:53] Blondin Linden: If I cancel a meeting, please do feel free to have a meeting. The meeting may want to be cut in half to 30 minutes but since the agenda is up on the wiki, I think if you just stick to the clock, you can forward me any notes afterwards.

[11:57] Blondin Linden: no, if Im not going to make it to a meeting, Ill work on asking someone to keep their eye ont he clock and make sure agenda items are hit Who will this 'clock watcher' be and how will they be chosen?

FORWARDED TO 10/25 AGENDA.

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9. Teens in SL'Bold text'

[11:56] Blondin Linden: teens will be stuck with G rated land

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1. Exploring Zindra Flickr Group: Inworld Slideshow presentation.

Why does the Flickr slide show kiosks only show photos from Ginettes flickr and why does IT not give age verification info and an LM for a Zindra Gateway? - colleen Criss

4. Ginette's Island Maze Proposal

Recap: Art Maze 2011 is a proposal I have had available for review, for months, and I have assembled a team already (there are 8 of us so far with room for more!). I've talked it up in the arts community (which is a very lucrative part of SL) and interest seems high. I believe it's a natural idea that appeals to many categories and will be high-profile enough and inclusive enough to reach far outside Zindra and attract attention. I think that involving the Arts is great way to crossover into a large market. Art Maze seems to have instant appeal to anyone I've spoken with.

QUESTIONS:

1. Will there be adult content in the Maze: ANSWER: YES/ With adult content in the Maze - SPECIFICALLY, how will this event be advertised AND SUPPORTED BY LINDEN LAB outside of Zindra with adult content involved in it?

2. Will outside people be allowed to present artwork in this event that takes place in Zindra? ANSWER:YES - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further.

3. Can anyone participate? ANSWER: No. the 'team' that is volunteering to run this event will hand-pick the artists. - This answer not accepted by some members of the community. To be discussed further.

Blondin did not verbally approve this event to move forward and allow this 'team' to take over these 3 Linden Sims in Zindra in the name of the ZIndra Community. Guidelines must be discussed and accepted. Proposal here: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011

5. Guest Speakers

Although Ginette already had a guest seaker at our Oct. 15th meeting, we can take a few minutes and start defining a system to book guest speakers. Since we have two weeks of speakers booked - we can take our time and discuss this.

Zindran colleen Criss has arranged for Krystal Devonshire and wyn nightly of NCI to speak at the Oct. 25th Community Meeting in Bronlen at 11:30 AM. They will tealk to us about NCI's presence in Zindra and inform us where all of their locations are.

The following week we have the founder of MENTORS GONE WILD, Heaven Lacey will speak to the Zindra Community about their activities in Zindra. This will take place Monday, November 1st at 11:30 AM

7. Zindra Brainstorming Team Proposal

This is a private proposal presented by Ginette. She is just presenting it to the community to seek volunteers are inform he community about this initiative she developed. Community approval is not necessary for Ginette to pursue this plan - she is not seeking any Linden Lab or community resources for this.

It is available for public review at this link: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-ambassador-program

Some points in Ginette's proposal that should probably be discussed:

-The list of the current Ambassadors will be maintained by LL and the Zindra Expo group.

-Ambassador must also be members of the Zindra Expo Group (a Zindra Ambassador group tag could be considered)

== 8. Blondin proposes what we do when he is not available to attend the meetings ==

1. Who will this 'clock watcher' be and how will they be chosen? ([11:53] Blondin Linden: If I cancel a meeting, please do feel free to have a meeting. The meeting may want to be cut in half to 30 minutes but since the agenda is up on the wiki, I think if you just stick to the clock, you can forward me any notes afterwards.

[11:57] Blondin Linden: no, if Im not going to make it to a meeting, Ill work on asking someone to keep their eye ont he clock and make sure agenda items are hit )

9. Zindra discussions and planning sessions on SUNDAYS at the Commercial Event Specialists office located in Yedboro.

CES is a FREE Public Relations and Marketing event firm developed to serve the needs of the Zindra business owner. We offer (FOR FREE) traffic-enhancing events on your parcel, press release writing and distribution. Commercial shoots and publishing (in SL magazines and books) of your business and web publications of slurls to your business at http://www.zindracommunities.com.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND THESE SUNDAY MEETINGS AT 11AM. EVERY WEEK. CES is located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Yedboro/7/125/39/

Join the open enrollment group ZINDRA ALLIANCE to get notices about the meetings and add to the discussion.

*This meeting on Sunday is just for information only. Nothing is needed from Linden Lab for us to have these meetings, develop events to take place within Zindra and market said events within Zindra and on parcels resident's own outside of Zindra (the most important thing to get the un-verified aware of Zindra). The meeting report will be made available every Sunday by 6PM SL time at the CES office, posted to the Zindra Alliance group and a link to the minutes online sent to the ZEXPO group.

10. Age Verification Kiosks in the Mainland Infohubs

Why are the age verification kiosks NOT out at all info hubs? - colleen Criss

In February I did send a TICKET into the Second Life Help center and recieved a positive rely from Blondin throught that system in March of this year. But, to date, we have not moved forward on placing these kiosks. We seem to be spending quite a bit of eberegy on these ohoto kiosks (that have adult images in them and cannot be placed in the infohubs outside of Zindra) Instead of just getting these G-rated adult verification Kiosks in place and do something positive about the serach firewall that hides Zindra Business from over 90% of new and old players in Secopnd Life.

Here is the ticket information from March

to "liasleandros@gmail.com"

date Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:26 AM

subject Ticket #4051-7418803: Sent Final Resolution (Adult Verification Centers in Infohubs and Welcome areas)

Ticket Information:

Ticket #: 4051-7418803 Date Created: 2/24/2010 9:00 PM PDT Details: MAINLAND INFOHUBS AND WELCOME AREAS NEED TO HAVE ADULT VERIFICATION CENTERS INSTALLED Since these areas have thousands of people moving through them daily, this is the most effectve way to increased awareness of Zindra. I hope that this can be arranged by March 16th in time to advertise the Zindra Adult Expo properly.

Please let me know so we can get builders to pull together networked prototypes that can be chosen from for this purpose.

RESPONSE TO TICKET

Hi Lias,

Unfortunately, we don't have the bandwidth internally to accomplish this. If you wanted to build out a kiosk, I could help place them around the infohubs but keep in mind, all content and images would need to be as close to PG as possible.

-Blondin

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So he said we cannot have NETWORKED Kiosks (for easy updating) but we can have stand-alone kiosks in the mainland infohubs outside of Zindra. We need to move forward on this.Italic text

A notice was sent out to the ZA group to see if anyone has a kiosk design (non-networked, low prim) that can be used as the Adult verification Kiosk Blondin can place in the mature and PG Infohubs and welcome areas on the mainland.

Ericc Carter said: hi Lias, just FYI in case you didnt know, regarding the verification hubs mentioned in your notice, it's not exactly a verification hub but yesterday I was surprised to see a Zindra poster/something in the hub in Violet region, it's there at the landing point

That is a good sign.