Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2015-04-16

[2015/04/16 15:00]  Inara Breen: Hey, Caleb, Rex
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Rex Cronon: hi inara
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I heard one of my friend can't upload mesh on beta grid yesterday. Did beta grid updated?
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Rex Cronon: hi everybody
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Rex.
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru
[2015/04/16 15:02]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): how is everybody doing?
[2015/04/16 15:02]  rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}
[2015/04/16 15:02]  Inara Breen: Vertical here, Caleb!
[2015/04/16 15:03]  Rex Cronon: i have no idea what is going on. i missed tuesday meeting:(
[2015/04/16 15:03]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Developing tools..
[2015/04/16 15:05]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Can I upload mesh to beta grid now?
[2015/04/16 15:05]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i think so
[2015/04/16 15:06]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): I just uploaded a mesh ok here
[2015/04/16 15:06]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Caleb and Whirly.
[2015/04/16 15:06]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): oh ok
[2015/04/16 15:07]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I don't have suitable sample now..
[2015/04/16 15:08]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): Did anyone get to chance to check out the RC?
[2015/04/16 15:09]  arton Rotaru: I just tried the GOD constants quickly
[2015/04/16 15:09]  arton Rotaru: and they worked as expected
[2015/04/16 15:09]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): oh good
[2015/04/16 15:10]  arton Rotaru: I jsut wonder in which cases the body shape returns something else than 0.0 or 1.0
[2015/04/16 15:11]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i tried, but with the UI we get from the viewer it is really just 0.0 or 1.0
[2015/04/16 15:11]  arton Rotaru: which will be good enough to determine the gender anyway
[2015/04/16 15:12]  Rex Cronon: why didn't u guys make it return a boolean? or at least a int?
[2015/04/16 15:13]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): could be some legacy stuff
[2015/04/16 15:13]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i don't know
[2015/04/16 15:14]  arton Rotaru: and the hover height setting in the viewer is only visible to me yet
[2015/04/16 15:14]  arton Rotaru: I asked my partner if she youlc see me hovering 2 meters high, but she couldn't
[2015/04/16 15:15]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): What viewer was she on?
[2015/04/16 15:15]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): that's intentional with a non-hover viewer
[2015/04/16 15:15]  arton Rotaru: is this viewer dependent only?
[2015/04/16 15:15]  arton Rotaru: ah ok
[2015/04/16 15:15]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Yes it needs viewerside code to see the new hover
[2015/04/16 15:15]  arton Rotaru: FS I think
[2015/04/16 15:15]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Yeah if shes on release she won't see it.  New release is out soon
[2015/04/16 15:16]  arton Rotaru: alright
[2015/04/16 15:16]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Couple of days if she joins preview group
[2015/04/16 15:16]  arton Rotaru: well, not that I would use the feature much anyway
[2015/04/16 15:16]  arton Rotaru: just wondered if the sim would have to be updated as well
[2015/04/16 15:18]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): it's ready whenever the viewer is
[2015/04/16 15:18]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): I see your hover changing on what will be the next FS release
[2015/04/16 15:21]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i had another question. how often do you guys see reports on regions restart losing caps. whirly?
[2015/04/16 15:21]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Lots after the rolls.
[2015/04/16 15:22]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Every Tuesday & wednesday, if there was a roll heh
[2015/04/16 15:22]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Its not new, its been happening for a while
[2015/04/16 15:22]  Lucia Nightfire: caps loss is evil
[2015/04/16 15:22]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): for sure
[2015/04/16 15:22]  Lucia Nightfire: http fails, prim return fails
[2015/04/16 15:23]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Everything fails  lol
[2015/04/16 15:23]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): is there a pattern with what kind of cpu those caps are failing?
[2015/04/16 15:23]  Lucia Nightfire: some dataserver use is possible
[2015/04/16 15:23]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Not sure what you mean
[2015/04/16 15:24]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i guess i can trace it. it's just the type of machines the servers are running on
[2015/04/16 15:24]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): ahhh
[2015/04/16 15:24]  Lucia Nightfire: aren't caps issues host level problems?
[2015/04/16 15:25]  Lucia Nightfire: ie, if a region is having caps issues, every region on that host is having them
[2015/04/16 15:25]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): sounds plausible
[2015/04/16 15:25]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): When this first started happening a lot it was discussed at one of the user groups & Andrew said he thought the problem was that the affected regions didn't shut down properly and so came back up with broken caps
[2015/04/16 15:25]  Rex Cronon: in theory a multicore server shouldn't have that problem...
[2015/04/16 15:26]  Lucia Nightfire: when CDN was in Snack phase, and there were only a hand full of hosts it was on, if a region had caps issues every region on that host had it
[2015/04/16 15:27]  Lucia Nightfire: which was a nightmare
[2015/04/16 15:27]  Lucia Nightfire: because several of my sandboxes were all on the same host
[2015/04/16 15:27]  Lucia Nightfire: and they would all start having caps failures at once
[2015/04/16 15:28]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Its more of a pain on mainland regions because it takes time for support to restart them
[2015/04/16 15:28]  Lucia Nightfire: intermittent caps failures typically relieve themself in 3 or 4 minutes
[2015/04/16 15:29]  Lucia Nightfire: ones that occur after a region start can take much longer
[2015/04/16 15:33]  Lucia Nightfire: so, is it looking like RC will get promoted next week?
[2015/04/16 15:34]  Lucia Nightfire: I have a few apps I need to upgrade with those constants
[2015/04/16 15:34]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): so far it's been behavin'
[2015/04/16 15:34]  Lucia Nightfire: anything exciting coming next week?
[2015/04/16 15:36]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): not this week. i was swamped with non sim projects
[2015/04/16 15:37]  Lucia Nightfire: huh?
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): sorry for the lack of topics today. do you guys have other items you want to talk about?
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Lucia Nightfire: shineys in the works
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): :)
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Lucia Nightfire: shouts: SHINEYS
[2015/04/16 15:46]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2015/04/16 15:47]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): oh shall i say "Shinnays!"
[2015/04/16 15:47]  Lucia Nightfire: I await whatever comes whenever it comes, if anything, heh.
[2015/04/16 15:48]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): fair enough
[2015/04/16 15:49]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): With that shall we call it a day? Gotta hop over to another grid for testing
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Lucia Nightfire: later, heh
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Rex Cronon: tc caleb
[2015/04/16 15:50]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Thanks caleb
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Caleb.
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): take care!
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): thanks!
945battery-guestA-185:caleb_linden caleb$ grep "2015/04/16" chat.txt | grep "15:"
[2015/04/16 15:00]  Inara Breen: Hey, Caleb, Rex
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Rex Cronon: hi inara
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I heard one of my friend can't upload mesh on beta grid yesterday. Did beta grid updated?
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Rex Cronon: hi everybody
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Rex.
[2015/04/16 15:01]  Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru
[2015/04/16 15:02]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): how is everybody doing?
[2015/04/16 15:02]  rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}
[2015/04/16 15:02]  Inara Breen: Vertical here, Caleb!
[2015/04/16 15:03]  Rex Cronon: i have no idea what is going on. i missed tuesday meeting:(
[2015/04/16 15:03]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Developing tools..
[2015/04/16 15:05]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Can I upload mesh to beta grid now?
[2015/04/16 15:05]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i think so
[2015/04/16 15:06]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): I just uploaded a mesh ok here
[2015/04/16 15:06]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Caleb and Whirly.
[2015/04/16 15:06]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): oh ok
[2015/04/16 15:07]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I don't have suitable sample now..
[2015/04/16 15:08]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): Did anyone get to chance to check out the RC?
[2015/04/16 15:09]  arton Rotaru: I just tried the GOD constants quickly
[2015/04/16 15:09]  arton Rotaru: and they worked as expected
[2015/04/16 15:09]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): oh good
[2015/04/16 15:10]  arton Rotaru: I jsut wonder in which cases the body shape returns something else than 0.0 or 1.0
[2015/04/16 15:11]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i tried, but with the UI we get from the viewer it is really just 0.0 or 1.0
[2015/04/16 15:11]  arton Rotaru: which will be good enough to determine the gender anyway
[2015/04/16 15:12]  Rex Cronon: why didn't u guys make it return a boolean? or at least a int?
[2015/04/16 15:13]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): could be some legacy stuff
[2015/04/16 15:13]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i don't know
[2015/04/16 15:14]  arton Rotaru: and the hover height setting in the viewer is only visible to me yet
[2015/04/16 15:14]  arton Rotaru: I asked my partner if she youlc see me hovering 2 meters high, but she couldn't
[2015/04/16 15:15]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): What viewer was she on?
[2015/04/16 15:15]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): that's intentional with a non-hover viewer
[2015/04/16 15:15]  arton Rotaru: is this viewer dependent only?
[2015/04/16 15:15]  arton Rotaru: ah ok
[2015/04/16 15:15]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Yes it needs viewerside code to see the new hover
[2015/04/16 15:15]  arton Rotaru: FS I think
[2015/04/16 15:15]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Yeah if shes on release she won't see it.  New release is out soon
[2015/04/16 15:16]  arton Rotaru: alright
[2015/04/16 15:16]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Couple of days if she joins preview group
[2015/04/16 15:16]  arton Rotaru: well, not that I would use the feature much anyway
[2015/04/16 15:16]  arton Rotaru: just wondered if the sim would have to be updated as well
[2015/04/16 15:18]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): it's ready whenever the viewer is
[2015/04/16 15:18]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): I see your hover changing on what will be the next FS release
[2015/04/16 15:21]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i had another question. how often do you guys see reports on regions restart losing caps. whirly?
[2015/04/16 15:21]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Lots after the rolls.
[2015/04/16 15:22]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Every Tuesday & wednesday, if there was a roll heh
[2015/04/16 15:22]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Its not new, its been happening for a while
[2015/04/16 15:22]  Lucia Nightfire: caps loss is evil
[2015/04/16 15:22]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): for sure
[2015/04/16 15:22]  Lucia Nightfire: http fails, prim return fails
[2015/04/16 15:23]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Everything fails  lol
[2015/04/16 15:23]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): is there a pattern with what kind of cpu those caps are failing?
[2015/04/16 15:23]  Lucia Nightfire: some dataserver use is possible
[2015/04/16 15:23]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Not sure what you mean
[2015/04/16 15:24]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): i guess i can trace it. it's just the type of machines the servers are running on
[2015/04/16 15:24]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): ahhh
[2015/04/16 15:24]  Lucia Nightfire: aren't caps issues host level problems?
[2015/04/16 15:25]  Lucia Nightfire: ie, if a region is having caps issues, every region on that host is having them
[2015/04/16 15:25]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): sounds plausible
[2015/04/16 15:25]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): When this first started happening a lot it was discussed at one of the user groups & Andrew said he thought the problem was that the affected regions didn't shut down properly and so came back up with broken caps
[2015/04/16 15:25]  Rex Cronon: in theory a multicore server shouldn't have that problem...
[2015/04/16 15:26]  Lucia Nightfire: when CDN was in Snack phase, and there were only a hand full of hosts it was on, if a region had caps issues every region on that host had it
[2015/04/16 15:27]  Lucia Nightfire: which was a nightmare
[2015/04/16 15:27]  Lucia Nightfire: because several of my sandboxes were all on the same host
[2015/04/16 15:27]  Lucia Nightfire: and they would all start having caps failures at once
[2015/04/16 15:28]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Its more of a pain on mainland regions because it takes time for support to restart them
[2015/04/16 15:28]  Lucia Nightfire: intermittent caps failures typically relieve themself in 3 or 4 minutes
[2015/04/16 15:29]  Lucia Nightfire: ones that occur after a region start can take much longer
[2015/04/16 15:33]  Lucia Nightfire: so, is it looking like RC will get promoted next week?
[2015/04/16 15:34]  Lucia Nightfire: I have a few apps I need to upgrade with those constants
[2015/04/16 15:34]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): so far it's been behavin'
[2015/04/16 15:34]  Lucia Nightfire: anything exciting coming next week?
[2015/04/16 15:36]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): not this week. i was swamped with non sim projects
[2015/04/16 15:37]  Lucia Nightfire: huh?
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): sorry for the lack of topics today. do you guys have other items you want to talk about?
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Lucia Nightfire: shineys in the works
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): :)
[2015/04/16 15:46]  Lucia Nightfire: shouts: SHINEYS
[2015/04/16 15:46]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2015/04/16 15:47]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): oh shall i say "Shinnays!"
[2015/04/16 15:47]  Lucia Nightfire: I await whatever comes whenever it comes, if anything, heh.
[2015/04/16 15:48]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): fair enough
[2015/04/16 15:49]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): With that shall we call it a day? Gotta hop over to another grid for testing
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Lucia Nightfire: later, heh
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Rex Cronon: tc caleb
[2015/04/16 15:50]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Thanks caleb
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Caleb.
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): take care!
[2015/04/16 15:50]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): thanks!