Beta server office Hours/Minutes/2017-04-20

[2017/04/20 15:00]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): hi everyone
[2017/04/20 15:00]  Mazidox Linden: I think someone installed an equine filter while I wasn't looking. I can't see Jenna or Lucia, who I both assume are those.
[2017/04/20 15:00]  Nal (nalates.urriah): I can see them
[2017/04/20 15:00]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): someone is dropping the ball on providing transcripts too, heh
[2017/04/20 15:01]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Jenna is the cute one. Lucy is the dark scary one...
[2017/04/20 15:01]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): dark horse, yes
[2017/04/20 15:01]  Jenna Felton: hehe
[2017/04/20 15:01]  Jenna Felton: we have all a good complexity, so it must not be reason
[2017/04/20 15:02]  Mazidox Linden: I blame gremlins.
[2017/04/20 15:02]  NOPE (margithe): i didn't get lucy to rez until i edited all the parts
[2017/04/20 15:02]  Jenna Felton: hi Arton
[2017/04/20 15:02]  arton Rotaru: Gunaaaabend
[2017/04/20 15:03]  Jenna Felton: now i got a message "everyone can see you now" i hope it's true :)
[2017/04/20 15:03]  Mazidox Linden: Well, it's 3 past, let's get started!
[2017/04/20 15:04]  Mazidox Linden: This week we promoted DRTSIM-345 to the main Second Life Server channel on Agni. (Yay!)
[2017/04/20 15:06]  Mazidox Linden: It was mostly a maint release but a couple of highlights were another technique to make offline IMs and group notices more reliable.
[2017/04/20 15:06]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): and it failed
[2017/04/20 15:06]  Mazidox Linden: There was also a fix for the issue with mass object return after rolls.
[2017/04/20 15:07]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): in what way lucy
[2017/04/20 15:07]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): I still eitehr do not get my IM2emails or I get them 3 - 6 hours later
[2017/04/20 15:08]  Mazidox Linden: Ah, this was more focused on delivery when you next log in.
[2017/04/20 15:08]  Kennylex Luckless: Hia
[2017/04/20 15:08]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): but are there any emails missing?
[2017/04/20 15:08]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): I have had missing or significantly delays emails for a few years now
[2017/04/20 15:08]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): interesting
[2017/04/20 15:08]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): why I went to IM2KVP with my stuff
[2017/04/20 15:09]  Mazidox Linden: Concur with Caleb, could you file a bug report so we have something to look into?
[2017/04/20 15:09]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): maybe
[2017/04/20 15:09]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): heh
[2017/04/20 15:11]  Mazidox Linden: Okay, DRTSIM-332 which improves region capacity and access is now on all 3 RCs.
[2017/04/20 15:12]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Awesome
[2017/04/20 15:12]  Nal (nalates.urriah): How is it doing so far?
[2017/04/20 15:13]  arton Rotaru: what about the version numbers, as lucy pointed out in the release thread?
[2017/04/20 15:14]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): Nal, so far we haven't seen jira tickets about them yet
[2017/04/20 15:14]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/405131-deploy-plans-for-the-week-of-2017-04-17/
[2017/04/20 15:14]  Nal (nalates.urriah): That's good. I am interested in how long it takes people to notice the change when it rolls out...
[2017/04/20 15:15]  Whirly Fizzle: Did the Snack changes get rolled into the RC's too?
[2017/04/20 15:16]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): totally my mistake
[2017/04/20 15:16]  Mazidox Linden: Snack is bite sized and it's staying its own thing for now.
[2017/04/20 15:17]  Whirly Fizzle: Ok ta
[2017/04/20 15:17]  Whirly Fizzle: Were the 2 busted cake regions just normal caps fail or something new because of cake?
[2017/04/20 15:17]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): maybe i should intro BlueStool again
[2017/04/20 15:17]  Mazidox Linden: Plus if we tried to merge right now we'd get crumbs everywhere :(
[2017/04/20 15:17]  Whirly Fizzle: lol
[2017/04/20 15:19]  Whirly Fizzle: https://i.gyazo.com/05fef796c0dd56817c29bdd22c3509cf.jpg
[2017/04/20 15:19]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): need to fix it
[2017/04/20 15:19]  Mazidox Linden: Give me a minute, I need to pop into the kitchen and check on the cake.
[2017/04/20 15:19]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): schlaubergers
[2017/04/20 15:20]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2017/04/20 15:20]  arton Rotaru: klugscheissers
[2017/04/20 15:22]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): siebeng'scheit
[2017/04/20 15:22]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): fixed
[2017/04/20 15:22]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): thanks for pointing it out
[2017/04/20 15:22]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2017/04/20 15:23]  Mazidox Linden: So we did find a new bug with Cake once it got to Agni, we are investigating it.
[2017/04/20 15:23]  Whirly Fizzle: The caps fail or something else?
[2017/04/20 15:25]  Mazidox Linden: Caps fail is probably simplifying a bit but I tried to understand more and I ended up with a nosebleed so... Yeah, caps fail!
[2017/04/20 15:25]  Whirly Fizzle: haha ok.  Lets go with "Symptoms similar to caps fail" then  :P
[2017/04/20 15:27]  Whirly Fizzle: Oh Maxidox, was it you who restarted Testy at ~10am SLT?
[2017/04/20 15:27]  Mazidox Linden: Sounds good! So, we also have News of the Future! It's kinda small news, but hey.
[2017/04/20 15:27]  NOPE (margithe): is it meh, or good?
[2017/04/20 15:27]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Juicy!?!
[2017/04/20 15:28]  arton Rotaru: news FROM the future would be awesome as well
[2017/04/20 15:28]  Mazidox Linden: I have ideas for my Linden Can, and there'll be a project viewer for DRTSIM-343 coming soonish.
[2017/04/20 15:29]  Mazidox Linden: No news of shinies, sorry.
[2017/04/20 15:29]  arton Rotaru: a Linden Can? is that something like a saving box?
[2017/04/20 15:29]  Mazidox Linden: It's like a bear, for pesticides.
[2017/04/20 15:29]  arton Rotaru: ahh
[2017/04/20 15:29]  Nal (nalates.urriah): :)
[2017/04/20 15:30]  NOPE (margithe): are you skipping out on your Linden bear?
[2017/04/20 15:30]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): how do you know it's a bear when it looks like a can?
[2017/04/20 15:30]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): Mazi, why was https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-41482 accepted and what is going to come out of it?
[2017/04/20 15:30]  arton Rotaru: good question Caleb
[2017/04/20 15:31]  Mazidox Linden: It'll be called Mazidox Linden's Bear or something. :)
[2017/04/20 15:32]  Mazidox Linden: It was accepted because there's an internal issue for it, and I don't know what's going to come of it.
[2017/04/20 15:32]  NOPE (margithe): As long as you make it yourself.
[2017/04/20 15:32]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): what internal issue?
[2017/04/20 15:32]  arton Rotaru: that's a giant function call at least^^
[2017/04/20 15:33]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): changing how any SLPPF constants work is going to break content
[2017/04/20 15:33]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): that user just doesn't like how they work currently and wants them changed
[2017/04/20 15:34]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): hence my concern
[2017/04/20 15:34]  Mazidox Linden: I am confident that that's a primary consideration for any fix. I hear a lot about how we go out of our way to not break existing content.
[2017/04/20 15:35]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): I don't see how you're going to fix anything then, heh
[2017/04/20 15:36]  NOPE (margithe): Speaking of wanting things changed, Do you happen to have the jira for the cap of how many avatars names will be returned when checking who has prims on a parcel, Lucy?
[2017/04/20 15:36]  Mazidox Linden: MAINT doesn't mean there'll be a fix, but it does mean someone's looked and wants to keep it around for reference.
[2017/04/20 15:37]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): @Marg Is it this?:https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-40888
[2017/04/20 15:37]  Whirly Fizzle: NOPE  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-3371
[2017/04/20 15:38]  arton Rotaru: Permission Violation
[2017/04/20 15:38]  Mazidox Linden: Are you logged in Arton?
[2017/04/20 15:38]  Whirly Fizzle: Ugh
[2017/04/20 15:38]  NOPE (margithe): me too
[2017/04/20 15:38]  arton Rotaru: yup, I'm looged in
[2017/04/20 15:39]  Whirly Fizzle: Its triagers/reporter only
[2017/04/20 15:39]  Whirly Fizzle: Its "allow llGetParcelPrimOwners to return more than 100 entries "
[2017/04/20 15:39]  NOPE (margithe): that.
[2017/04/20 15:39]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): raising the limit might break scripts since the limit is expected
[2017/04/20 15:39]  Jenna Felton: :also gets permission violation on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-3371
[2017/04/20 15:39]  NOPE (margithe): right. So it needs a new but similar function
[2017/04/20 15:39]  Whirly Fizzle: And Maestro replied  "The restriction is in place to prevent the script from crashing (100 UUIDs and integers in a list takes up quite a bit of memory in an LSL script). The change you're asking for is definitely a feature request."
[2017/04/20 15:39]  Jenna Felton: ah
[2017/04/20 15:40]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): and if we're making a new function, lets make one that isn't one dimensional, hence https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-40888
[2017/04/20 15:40]  NOPE (margithe): well the problem is that with 30 k prims, it ain't gonna be just 100 avatars anymore
[2017/04/20 15:40]  Mazidox Linden: I mean at a glance makes sense to me, sadly I'm not a developer
[2017/04/20 15:41]  NOPE (margithe): I don't script, so i'm happy to leave this is hands of people who know better, but it is starting to become a really pesky issue
[2017/04/20 15:41]  arton Rotaru: what if 30k avatars leave only one prim? :p
[2017/04/20 15:41]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): not having resource controls and an increase on prims is also frustrating
[2017/04/20 15:41]  Kennylex Luckless: It is too late for me, I need to go to bed, take care and have fun.
[2017/04/20 15:42]  arton Rotaru: sleep well Kenny
[2017/04/20 15:42]  Mazidox Linden: Good night!
[2017/04/20 15:42]  NOPE (margithe): they don't leave one prim. But it's common to let people rent 50-200 prims in stores  etc
[2017/04/20 15:42]  arton Rotaru: nice wood bridge btw
[2017/04/20 15:42]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): arton, the request is to be able to specify a return limit
[2017/04/20 15:42]  arton Rotaru: aha
[2017/04/20 15:42]  NOPE (margithe): also you don't want to parcel things up because it ruins statistics and searchability
[2017/04/20 15:43]  Jenna Felton: good night Kenny
[2017/04/20 15:43]  arton Rotaru: something you requested for so long, didn't you?
[2017/04/20 15:43]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): I included a return limit in a new function request to get not only land impact return, but object number and prim number
[2017/04/20 15:44]  arton Rotaru: for those who like things to be complicated I guess :p
[2017/04/20 15:44]  NOPE (margithe): Since it's "accepted", it means i can't comment it to refresh the issue, and basically it's sunk to the bottom of the workpile and won't move anywhere from there :(
[2017/04/20 15:44]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): no, it isn't complicated for those that monitor resources
[2017/04/20 15:45]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): each data point can be used to determine abuse in one way or another
[2017/04/20 15:46]  Mazidox Linden: Margithe, is that a "Poke poke poke BUG-40888"?
[2017/04/20 15:46]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): it would be nicer if land owners had away to limit resources then you wouldn't need to use overhead trackingit
[2017/04/20 15:46]  NOPE (margithe): I guess it is :D
[2017/04/20 15:46]  Mazidox Linden: Noted!
[2017/04/20 15:47]  NOPE (margithe): Since the recent focus is on making life better and easier for land owners, i figured it would be a good time to put it forward
[2017/04/20 15:47]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): lets poke for resource controls too
[2017/04/20 15:48]  Mazidox Linden: Do you have a BUG for that Lucia?
[2017/04/20 15:48]  Jenna Felton: perhaps functions that return a really large number of data should return them in bloks, so you request not a part of the list from the beginning but somewhere in the middle
[2017/04/20 15:48]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-3854
[2017/04/20 15:49]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): although some of the params are no longer necessary
[2017/04/20 15:49]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): like the ARC thing since that was before jelly dolls
[2017/04/20 15:49]  Mazidox Linden: Can you refile that as a new Feature Request updated with anything that is out of date removed?
[2017/04/20 15:50]  arton Rotaru: hehe
[2017/04/20 15:50]  NOPE (margithe): Thats a nice shopping list there Lucy
[2017/04/20 15:50]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): yes, do you want me to put an attn to you too? heh
[2017/04/20 15:50]  Mazidox Linden: I'll see it either way.
[2017/04/20 15:50]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): do you sit in on the triage meetings?
[2017/04/20 15:50]  Mazidox Linden: I need a massive eye avatar for all the things I see.
[2017/04/20 15:51]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): whirly any ideas ^?
[2017/04/20 15:51]  Whirly Fizzle: Yeah
[2017/04/20 15:51]  Whirly Fizzle: But.. can I ask before the meeting is over...
[2017/04/20 15:52]  Whirly Fizzle: Can one of you look at the server logs for me from this morning for Testylnavia Sandbox & Nuts island on Agni
[2017/04/20 15:53]  Whirly Fizzle: When Testy was restarted, at about 10am SLT, I TP'd home to nuts island & as soon as Testy went offline, I got disconnected.  This happens to me all the time when I leave a region about to restart, even if I leave 2 mins before the restart time.  I want to know why
[2017/04/20 15:53]  Whirly Fizzle: It's https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-5034
[2017/04/20 15:53]  Whirly Fizzle: and it's driving me nuts
[2017/04/20 15:53]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): haven't had that happen to me in a while
[2017/04/20 15:53]  Whirly Fizzle: That bug loves me
[2017/04/20 15:54]  Whirly Fizzle: I don't know whether it's something odd about my connection, though I've changed computers and moved house and changed routers and it's persisted througfh that
[2017/04/20 15:54]  arton Rotaru: wasn't it only you Whirly who is affected by that? ^^
[2017/04/20 15:54]  Whirly Fizzle: So, I think it's a bug
[2017/04/20 15:54]  Whirly Fizzle: No, happens to others too but it happens to me pretty much 100% repro
[2017/04/20 15:54]  Mazidox Linden: Hah, I bet I know what the problem is there. Yeah, there's an internal issue about that so I'll dangle it in front of devs and see if any of them leap out of the tank to bite :)
[2017/04/20 15:55]  Whirly Fizzle: Ty
[2017/04/20 15:55]  Whirly Fizzle: Anyway, I'd love to know if you can see a reason from today's logs
[2017/04/20 15:55]  Whirly Fizzle: Thing is, I arrive in the destination region just fine, it's not a TP disconnect
[2017/04/20 15:55]  Whirly Fizzle: But the second the region I left goes offline, it takes me with it
[2017/04/20 15:56]  Whirly Fizzle: I can tell you exactly when it started too - when those changes were made to restart regions as soon as the last avi left
[2017/04/20 15:56]  arton Rotaru: the region hates you for turning it down
[2017/04/20 15:56]  NOPE (margithe): I wonder if it's related to being connected to other sims for an unreasonable amount of time. Sometimes i can cam a region i have left for over 10 minutes.
[2017/04/20 15:56]  Mazidox Linden: I'd be more inclined to reproduce it here on Aditi.
[2017/04/20 15:56]  arton Rotaru: and it takes you with it :p
[2017/04/20 15:56]  Whirly Fizzle: Maybe
[2017/04/20 15:57]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): maybe the region shouldn't restart with the presence of child agents
[2017/04/20 15:57]  Mazidox Linden: I'll just restart my region repeatedly and crash until I'm a cloud again :)
[2017/04/20 15:57]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): seems its only going off of main agents
[2017/04/20 15:57]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): so, if not main or child agents, restart
[2017/04/20 15:57]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): *no
[2017/04/20 15:57]  Whirly Fizzle: So  also, If I'm on Region A then TP to Region B and crash Region A remotely (sorry), I also get dinged when Region A goes offline
[2017/04/20 15:58]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): that doesn't happen to me either
[2017/04/20 15:58]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): and I've done a lot of that specific testing recently too
[2017/04/20 15:58]  Mazidox Linden: I have no sympathy for that particular case, sorry. Don't crash regions!
[2017/04/20 15:58]  Whirly Fizzle: I was testng  :P
[2017/04/20 15:58]  Mazidox Linden: Well, maybe crash the one made for crashing.
[2017/04/20 15:58]  Lucy Daughter of the Devil (lucia.nightfire): what if a Linden tells you to?
[2017/04/20 15:58]  Whirly Fizzle: I did haha.  It was testy
[2017/04/20 15:59]  Jenna Felton: perhaps the login server keeps its hand in it? that server knows if you are onone and where, i think, and perhaps when the last region tells the login server you have left and goes offline, the login server knocks you out with it also? - an idea
[2017/04/20 15:59]  Mazidox Linden: Okay, and with that we're at time; thank you all for coming and have a good week!
[2017/04/20 15:59]  Jenna Felton: onone = online
[2017/04/20 15:59]  Whirly Fizzle: Also if Im on Region A and a restart is trigger and I fly over into Reguion B, same thing.
[2017/04/20 16:00]  arton Rotaru: thanks Lindens
[2017/04/20 16:00]  NOPE (margithe): Hm, i'm going to test that next round of rolling restarts
[2017/04/20 16:00]  Whirly Fizzle: Thanks Lindens
[2017/04/20 16:00]  NOPE (margithe): Thanks for today :)
[2017/04/20 16:00]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Thx all
[2017/04/20 16:01]  Jenna Felton: yes, thank you Lindens and all for the meeting and please have a good week :)
[2017/04/20 16:01]  Jenna Felton: see you other time
[2017/04/20 16:03]  Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): see yall