User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2008-06-26

[11:58] Torley Linden: FRIENDLY GREETINGS!!!!
[11:58] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Hey there, Torley
[11:58] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Torley
[11:58] Ewan Mureaux: howdy
[11:58] Torley Linden: so good to see you all ehre with me today!
[11:58] Master Nestler: Friendly Greeting :)
[11:58] Farmazlaser Magic: Hi Torley am AKA Ratcloner101
[11:58] Torley Linden: it's all getting so clear... aka... rezzing!
[11:58] Torley Linden: oooh
[11:58] Ewan Mureaux: umm i like you and all T
[11:59] Torley Linden: what's new and magical!
[11:59] Jaymes Kjeller: Hey Torley!
[11:59] Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^)
[11:59] Squirrel Wood: Hullo
[11:59] ShinIori319 Feichholz: hehe
[11:59] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Halluuuuu
[11:59] Emilylo Mayako: ouch
[12:00] Gwendolyn Cassini: hey everyone :D
[12:00] Torley Linden: i was just editing my next video tutorial, it's going to be an easy guide on doing seamless textures (one of several possible options, i may do more later)
[12:00] Torley Linden: and i'm going to share various seamless texture tools for those who wish it was easier...
[12:00] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Great
[12:00] Gwendolyn Cassini: sorry if i just bumped into anyone everything is rezzing
[12:00] Torley Linden: if you have any particular faves, let me know... like, now!
[12:00] Igel Hawks: cool. That's great
[12:00] Imnotgoing Sideways: Ooh... Using an alignment grid, or other stuff? (o.o)
[12:00] Ipenda Keynes: Nice Torley!
[12:00] Torley Linden: Imnotgoing, more like, the creation of them in an external program, then importing into Second Life
[12:00] Torley Linden: but yeah, texture offset tricks etc. should be covered later too
[12:00] Master Nestler: hello torley
[12:00] Torley Linden: those two severely go hand in hand
[12:01] Gwendolyn Cassini: wow awesome avi Torley
[12:01] Imnotgoing Sideways: Ah... so like looping textures. (^_^)
[12:01] Torley Linden: seamless textures is a good example of where a lot of people like it and wonder how it was done, but the tools aren't shared openly enough
[12:01] Torley Linden: =)
[12:01] Torley Linden: thanx Gwendolyn!
[12:01] Torley Linden: this avatar is by Sylver Bu of Teen Second Life, i was giving a talk there yesterday
[12:01] Torley Linden: it was a video tutorials Q&A
[12:02] Torley Linden: and by all means if there are any hot topics on your mind or information that isn't being shared that should be publicized more, let me know =o)
[12:02] Imnotgoing Sideways: I kinda did that with this blade... The texture is a freebie metal one that I spread acros 6 different shaped prims. (^_^)
[12:02] Master Nestler: after 6 months finally meet Torley
[12:02] Torley Linden: i invite your contributions to wiki pages i've been setting up too, i started one on Limits and another on Accessibility...
[12:02] Torley Linden: kewl to see you inworld, Master
[12:02] Torley Linden: *gets links*
[12:02] Torley Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Limits
[12:02] Torley Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Accessibility
[12:02] Torley Linden: i just got those started and more additions and corrections would be awesome
[12:03] Imnotgoing Sideways: How much time have you spend in SL5B so far? (o.o)
[12:03] Igel Hawks: Something completely different Torley. can you give me a bear please?
[12:03] Torley Linden: Imnotgoing, NOT ENOUGH, last i went i wanted to explore more but it was slow
[12:03] Torley Linden: SURE IGEL
[12:03] Torley Linden: one sec
[12:03] Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
[12:03] Torley Linden: i want to take a lot of pictures at SL5B
[12:03] ShinIori319 Feichholz: I want a bear too, Torley
[12:03] Trinity Coulter: OMG Torley, I had a friend asking these VERY questions the other day (on the Limits page)
[12:03] Torley Linden: okay okay i'm gonna share bears
[12:03] Gwendolyn Cassini: want to explore to, i will do that when the usa peeps are in bed LOL
[12:03] Torley Linden: Trinity GREAT, see that's exactly why i felt strongly about putting that info up...
[12:04] Ipenda Keynes: I haven't been there yet. Today is my great day for SL.
[12:04] Squirrel Wood: How about tutorials on how to code/set up/use some of the most common scripts out there?
[12:04] Terence Mackie: crap, i'm stuck under the floor
[12:04] Igel Hawks: Oh, the /de subpages I transfered to a friend of mie, I have just too less time to do it properly
[12:04] ShinIori319 Feichholz accepted your inventory offer.
[12:04] Damani Roadster 0.50 - watermelon: You are not the owner...
[12:04] ShinIori319 Feichholz accepted your inventory offer.
[12:04] Torley Linden: Squirrel, yes, utility scripts are one of my interests... any particular faves you want to see?
[12:04] Ewan Mureaux: could try this Squirel :D http://www.howcast.com/users/Ewan_Mureaux
[12:04] Igel Hawks: I like the video you made more then the metaverse.tv recording
[12:05] Squirrel Wood: faves.. not really
[12:05] Terence Mackie: greetings to torley and all! first time here :)
[12:05] Torley Linden: friendly greetings Terence!
[12:05] Ipenda Keynes: I taught a class to a bunch of librarians on how to make a simple notecard giver script.
[12:05] Igel Hawks: Hi Terence
[12:05] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Welcome!
[12:05] Terence Mackie: woot! (as they say) :)
[12:05] Ipenda Keynes: I think things like that, online indicators, etc.
[12:05] Torley Linden: Igel oh thanks for watching, i think it was good to have both perspectives available... i was just backup, really ;)
[12:05] Squirrel Wood: notecard giver, unpacker, hug script, stuff like that?
[12:05] Torley Linden: Squirrel i like your new head, i odn't know a better way to say that
[12:05] Torley Linden: and your shirt too :)
[12:06] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[12:06] Torley Linden: sculpty awesomeness
[12:06] Gwendolyn Cassini: LMAO Torley
[12:06] Squirrel Wood: Indeed
[12:06] Torley Linden: and yeah about those scripts, you know, if i had the time... it'd be cool to have a page where those were compiled (or categorized on the wiki), with the code available to copy
[12:06] Imnotgoing Sideways: There are tons of scripts around as freebies... I got mines form the NCI freebie wall. (^_^)
[12:06] Torley Linden: i've seen some ones on the forums before but no one has compiled them yet
[12:06] Torley Linden: and those freebies Imnotgoing mentions
[12:06] Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
[12:06] Emilylo Mayako: yay NCI!
[12:06] Torley Linden: i like it when some scripters make really elegant, simple, open source solutions and encourage improving on them
[12:06] Torley Linden: that helps get it started...
[12:07] Ipenda Keynes nods
[12:07] Gwendolyn Cassini: Torley my husband sells some full perm scripts for peeps to learn from
[12:07] Imnotgoing Sideways: Totally.. I went to that particle lab you had that video on, then made this. (^_^)
[12:07] Imnotgoing Sideways: Lawl ^-^
[12:07] Squirrel Wood: there is a scripting library forum....
[12:07] Igel Hawks: I learned the scripting stuff by destroying the freebee scripts
[12:07] Squirrel Wood: where you can get free scripts of all kinds
[12:07] Torley Linden: yeah Squirrel, i wish that could be better organized, i have to give a LOT OF RESPECT to Nada Epoch for maintaining that over the years...
[12:07] Gwendolyn Cassini: he is mentoring people to with scriptng
[12:07] Master Nestler: when ever ii get a question from a noob i tellthem t watch torley videos
[12:07] Torley Linden: i wish the forums could be read by anyone too (even if they weren't allowed to post)
[12:07] Torley Linden: thanks a lot Master, i really appreciate it1
[12:07] Trinity Coulter: it would be nice to make an inworld system that you can walk up to a kiosk and tell it what you want, and it delivers the script you want right away
[12:07] Torley Linden: oh that's kewl Gwendolyn
[12:08] Imnotgoing Sideways: The forums are open now. (^_^)
[12:08] Imnotgoing Sideways: Even to free accounts. (^_^)
[12:08] Torley Linden: Trinity, THAT REMINDS ME... someone actually made a "script generator" before
[12:08] Squirrel Wood: Torley.... http://www.nandnerd.info/particlesystem.php
[12:08] Gwendolyn Cassini: yeah your tuts are amazng
[12:08] Torley Linden: Imnotgoing: oh my gosh, i so missed the memo on that, i'm behind
[12:08] Torley Linden: what an embarrassment am i! ;)
[12:08] Imnotgoing Sideways: Lawl ^-^
[12:08] Trinity Coulter: oh neat :)) very nice Torley
[12:08] Gwendolyn Cassini <3 Torley haha
[12:08] Torley Linden: Imnotgoing, was that announced on the blog or something? i swear Katt would've told me
[12:08] Nicole McCallen giggles, I've been tricked.
[12:08] Imnotgoing Sideways: It just kinda happened... I tested it with some alts too. (^_^)
[12:08] Master Nestler: i made a friendly greeting gesture
[12:09] Torley Linden: hmmmm okay that's good to know Imnotgoing then, i'll have to try that later
[12:09] Torley Linden: i wish that change had been announced loudly because there were people who wanted that to happen... for a long time
[12:09] Torley Linden: i like when tension gets relieved and communicated about...
[12:09] Ewan Mureaux: we're building up a library and stuff hopefully athttp://www.scriptacademy.org/ and the group is really good for help but more helping with question on how to do something not just "can i get?"
[12:09] Imnotgoing Sideways: The questions are getting better... The small circle of posters is still there, but, more noobies = more productive threads so far. (^_^)
[12:10] Torley Linden: Ewan i twittered about your site the other day, thanks for doing this
[12:10] Torley Linden: Imnotgoing, yeah, i want new people to be able to feel friendly
[12:10] Ewan Mureaux: thanks torley, the rest of the peeps that lnow more are fuling it up, i'm just the tea boy
[12:10] Torley Linden: i'm not involved closely with the forums as i was in 2006 but useful info, i'll gladly link to...
[12:10] Ipenda Keynes: Have you heard any feedback about the new avies in the library?
[12:10] Igel Hawks: Sorry, I hate silent crashes
[12:10] Master Nestler: is there any tutorials onn scripts
[12:10] Imnotgoing Sideways: Oh, come on... We wanna see more orange text there. (=_=)
[12:11] Torley Linden: Ipenda, yes i have, including the comments on the blog post
[12:11] Torley Linden: Imnogoing, yeah, i used to post like, over 15,000 times i think... there used to be a lotta orange, even if i preferred pink ;)
[12:11] Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
[12:11] ShinIori319 Feichholz: heh!
[12:11] Gwendolyn Cassini: the tutorials i use or the wiki i use is the one from http://rpgstats.com/wiki i find that one easier to use than the official lsl wiki
[12:12] Trinity Coulter: me too Gwen
[12:12] Torley Linden: hmmm why do you find that one easier to use, out of curiosity?
[12:12] Gwendolyn Cassini: I sooo dont like the SL wiki at all. I can never find anything I want
[12:12] Master Nestler: torley i like your flicker photos
[12:12] Igel Hawks: hehe
[12:12] Torley Linden: okay, i agree SL wiki search sucks
[12:12] Gwendolyn Cassini: and as for the lsl wiki, not all information and exceptions are in it
[12:12] McCabe Maxsted: http://www.lslwiki.net usually is the best resourc,e I find
[12:12] Imnotgoing Sideways: LSL wiki search isn't very effective... You have to be too literal with your search. (>_<)
[12:12] Trinity Coulter: partly it loads faster... but mostly its arranged more easily
[12:12] Gwendolyn Cassini: its just not compleet
[12:13] Torley Linden: we should find a way to make it better, or even piggyback on it with the Google Custom Search
[12:13] Imnotgoing Sideways: Totally.... Improve search... Improve the wiki. (^_^)
[12:13] Igel Hawks: Hi Bradford
[12:13] Gwendolyn Cassini: wow mr Linden said the S word ;)
[12:13] Qie Niangao: yeah, there's *tons* there on the wiki that google finds, with a site: search, that's otherwise not indexed (or something)
[12:13] Torley Linden: ha
[12:13] Bradford Linden: hello hello :)
[12:13] Imnotgoing Sideways: Right now, you kinda already have to know what your're looking for to find it. (>_<)
[12:13] Torley Linden: heya Bradford!
[12:13] Emilylo Mayako: WHat I would like to see is the LM box have the ability to make the text font larger so I can see them without makeing the entire viewer larger at the same time.( is it okay that I ask that, I dont want to go off subject ) :(
[12:14] Torley Linden: Qie, yeah, i was thinking of doing a Google Custom Search and linking it on the front page of the wiki...
[12:14] Torley Linden: unless such time that Rob Linden or someone else could add a better search box on the left
[12:14] Igel Hawks: that would be great
[12:14] Steel Halasy: The problem with using multiple wikis is that unless people update all of them, their effectiveness is diminished
[12:14] Torley Linden: *makes a note to ask around about that*
[12:14] Torley Linden: Emilylo, oh, totally spontaneous ideas are welcome here...
[12:14] Emilylo Mayako: :)
[12:14] Emilylo Mayako: Thank you :)
[12:14] Gwendolyn Cassini: lslwiki.net is the same as the rpgstats.com/wiki btw
[12:14] Trinity Coulter: oh Torley, also, the SL LSL wiki doesn't have many code examples on its pages... its just "here is the command"
[12:14] Gwendolyn Cassini: only less graphics
[12:14] Emilylo Mayako: I have a hard time seeing the text in the IM
[12:14] McCabe Maxsted: there are differences
[12:15] Torley Linden: Emilylo, but, you just want to make the landmark text bigger? and not have other text in the user interface get bigger too?
[12:15] Steel Halasy: Is it a mirror, Gwendolyn?
[12:15] Torley Linden: Trinity, i'd hope that more people would add examples then...
[12:15] Gwendolyn Cassini: think so looks the same to me
[12:15] Squirrel Wood: code examplea aren't always easy to write
[12:15] Emilylo Mayako: no the IM Instant Messenger box , I'msorry
[12:15] Nicole McCallen waves to Bradford
[12:15] Torley Linden: i bet someone really focused and obsessed with examplage could make a big diff. in a few days
[12:15] Qie Niangao: yes, there's still a lot of "corporate knowledge" in the unofficial LSL wikis, not in the official one
[12:15] Igel Hawks: The Wiki needs more users who contribute, that's for sure
[12:15] Torley Linden: i agree too about confusion across wikis --
[12:15] Torley Linden: and yes, totally Igel
[12:15] Gwendolyn Cassini: lslwiki.net is way slower responding though
[12:15] Torley Linden: and thanks Igel with your translation help with video tutorials
[12:16] Steel Halasy: Does anyone know the story behind the lslwiki ?
[12:16] Torley Linden: a long time ago, we didn't even have an official wiki...
[12:16] Torley Linden: Steel, i know some of it. not all.
[12:16] Ewan Mureaux: with the wikis you need to cross reference them, to get the best info
[12:16] Imnotgoing Sideways: Interestingly redundant group tag, Bradford. (^_^)y
[12:16] Imnotgoing Sideways: Lawl ^-^
[12:16] Torley Linden: Catherine Omega is tha girl to ask about lslwiki.net
[12:16] Emilylo Mayako: what I ment was to make the Instant Messenger text fonts larger without making the entire viewer large at the same time, ( so sorry I confused you ) :(
[12:17] Torley Linden: Emilylo, oh, i understand. i don't know a way to do that presently; i'm not sure if it's possible through a Debug Setting. does anyone know? i'd gladly share that tip.
[12:17] Terence Mackie feverishly takes notes and wants learn more about sl scripting LOL :)
[12:17] ShinIori319 Feichholz: I don't think so
[12:17] Torley Linden: maybe someone's done an open source viewer patch for that
[12:17] McCabe Maxsted: there's a debug setting that'll make all teh text in teh viewer bigger, that'st he best you can do
[12:17] Emilylo Mayako: Thank you :)
[12:17] Torley Linden: that would fall under the Accessibility stuff on my mind lately...
[12:17] Igel Hawks: Hehe, I know it is mean Bradford: But do you already have made a bear?
[12:17] Gwendolyn Cassini: im not concidering my self a good scripter since my husband is the best, but i love it even more than designing :D
[12:17] Ipenda Keynes: Are there any "schools" teaching building/scripting anymore?
[12:18] Torley Linden: hmmm... i see ChatFontSize on http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Debug_Settings but that doesn't look exactly what you want...
[12:18] Igel Hawks: some mentors offer classes
[12:18] Imnotgoing Sideways: Totally... ASL and NCI do. (^_^)
[12:18] Disa Paine: the NCI places have classes
[12:18] Torley Linden: i haven't done a recent tour of schools, i'm glad to hear NCI still goes strong... after all these years
[12:18] Ipenda Keynes: Oh great!
[12:18] Torley Linden: i used to take classes at The Shelter too
[12:18] Trinity Coulter: maybe edit floater_instant_message.xml in \SecondLife\skins\xui\en-us
[12:18] Igel Hawks: they were cool
[12:18] Ipenda Keynes: I loved teaching, just ran out of SL time to devote to it.
[12:19] Trinity Coulter: but I would make a backup first :)
[12:19] Torley Linden: yeah, so often, the willingness to help must be considered in the context of "do i have clones?" ;)
[12:19] Igel Hawks: IOne time i attended a class about scriopting which was held my a mentor
[12:19] Torley Linden: "to move forward, you must backup"
[12:19] Terence Mackie: nci = new citizens inc? ( just trying to follow along - thanks :)
[12:19] Igel Hawks: but I cant remember his name
[12:19] Torley Linden: yes Terence :) and glad you could make it
[12:19] Ipenda Keynes nods to Torley
[12:19] Imnotgoing Sideways: Terence... Yeppers. (^_^)
[12:19] Terence Mackie: kk cool
[12:20] McCabe Maxsted: would be nice if floater_instant_message.xml had font size info; I wonder if that's in development as part of the skinning project or not
[12:20] ShinIori319 Feichholz: X3
[12:20] Torley Linden: i appreciate all that's been usefully contributed to wiki.secondlife.com but there's so much more to document, share, and make accessible
[12:20] Torley Linden: it's tough when the info is SOMEWHERE OUT THERE but omg, you can't find it, so you get frustrated and presume it never existed
[12:21] Farmazlaser Magic: Torley got a PSN name ?
[12:21] Torley Linden: no i don't
[12:21] Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
[12:21] Master Nestler: Nooo ...  ???
[12:21] Torley Linden: i would like to play Metal Gear Solid 4 eventually... i like Hideo Kojima a lot
[12:21] Bradford Linden: haha sorry went afk a sec. I definitely need to fix both my redundant group tag and my lack of a bear... stat!
[12:21] Torley Linden: hehehe
[12:21] Terence Mackie: a lot of people "protect" what they've learned too... i'm sor t of the opposite... i share everything i've learned... i'm not here to make a buck
[12:21] Imnotgoing Sideways: Heh... You know he'll be sneaking into PS Home to hijack the place and turn it pink and green. (^_^)
[12:21] Torley Linden: yes, so true Terence...
[12:21] Farmazlaser Magic: DS or any Gameing system?
[12:21] Bradford Linden: hideo kojima is ridiculously talented
[12:21] Trinity Coulter: Torley, I sent my friend that Limits page link, and he said "THERE ARE NO LIMITS IN SUCH AS WORLD AS THAT!"
[12:22] Torley Linden: i don't like hoarding secrets to prevent others from making open and beneficial progress
[12:22] Torley Linden: hahahahaah Trinity
[12:22] Ipenda Keynes: Haha Bradford. I just got Teagan's last night, and I was so excited.
[12:22] Trinity Coulter: lol
[12:22] Disa Paine: what about making some of your vid tuts on basic things easily accessed from help islands and orientation islands
[12:22] Torley Linden: Bradford: glad you think so too! i'm such a fan of his sense of humor coupled with deep plots
[12:22] Igel Hawks: hehe
[12:22] Nicole McCallen: Lol, was going to ask you for one Bradford. I'm starting my collection today!
[12:22] Torley Linden: Disa, yes, that's actually a great idea AND part of upcoming changes we're making over the next span of weeks
[12:22] Nicole McCallen: I've been on a Linden hunt.. was surprised to find peoples here!
[12:22] Torley Linden: i made BASICS tutorials a long time ago and they haven't been used in the beginning orientation process yet but there's going to be a new browser HUD and some other changes...
[12:23] Disa Paine: yay good, it is excellent to be able to see the UI. caht explanations often ifficult
[12:23] Bradford Linden: sadly i didn't get started until the first playstation MGS. but i don't think i slept for 2 days when i first started playing!
[12:23] Igel Hawks: They are still usefull
[12:23] Ipenda Keynes: I tried to rez my collection last night, and realized how many [prims each bear is!
[12:23] Master Nestler: hello Bradford
[12:23] Torley Linden: one of the best electronic musicians, Brian Transeau, believes in sharing his secrets because it makes him continually need to innovate and not be lazy
[12:23] Torley Linden: sometimes "not sharing secrets" is jealousy or someone's laziness
[12:23] Kylei Benoir: coley thanks for the tp
[12:23] Qie Niangao thinks,, as big-game hunting goes, Lindens are endangered but not especially rare.
[12:23] Kylei Benoir: GWENDOLYN!!!!
[12:23] Terence Mackie: very good point, torley
[12:23] Kylei Benoir: <-Vernice Burks
[12:23] Bradford Linden: torley have we ever just tried having a simple orientation video when you first sign up that tells you what to expect? maybe while the client is downloading or installing or something?
[12:23] Torley Linden: Bradford: the soundtrack excites me so much, that theme... omg... every time i hear it i get too excited
[12:23] Ipenda Keynes: Ooh, I like that theory alot.
[12:23] Nicole McCallen: im laggin
[12:23] Jaymes Kjeller: So true Torley, I have noticed that a few times. Elsewhere of course.
[12:23] Torley Linden: Bradford: oh yeah, in our internal JIRA there were "ideas" for that but they weren't pursued further.
[12:24] Kylei Benoir: *pokes Torley* Can I get ur Linden bear? :D
[12:24] Bradford Linden: gotcha
[12:24] Disa Paine: and something to stress the need to take time over OI and HI
[12:24] Kylei Benoir: PLEASEEEEEEEEE
[12:24] Ewan Mureaux: is it trademark compliant yet?
[12:24] Ipenda Keynes: :P
[12:24] Steel Halasy: Did you update your bear Torley?
[12:24] Igel Hawks: hehe
[12:24] Torley Linden: i would gladly be available to help if we at Linden Lab were goin to go forth with video tours and such, one brilliant thing IMVU did was embed a YouTube video on their homepage, so EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN TIME someone loads it, it counts as a YouTube view, which boosted their traffic through YouTube :O
[12:25] Kylei Benoir shouts: hi gwendolyn (Vernice Burks)
[12:25] Torley Linden: suuure Kylei!
[12:25] Ipenda Keynes: Ohhhh smart!
[12:25] Torley Linden: Ewan, yes, i updated it... haha
[12:25] Igel Hawks: A linden bear collections needs a double prim land to be viewed
[12:25] Kylei Benoir: wooooooot thanks torley! fellow flickr buddy
[12:25] Terence Mackie: it took me almost a year and a half to figure out how to build a piece of furniture that had a workable pose ball in it... that's sort of my point... i shouldn't have had to take that long to learn how... and further, i teach anyone i know that interested in how to do that. i know that is small beans to you guys - but it's huge for a new builder in sl!
[12:25] Kylei Benoir: heheheh i ave like 40 now igel
[12:25] Torley Linden: our lawyers were like, "you can't watermelonize the Second Life logo!" and i was like "oh i'm sorry" and changed it
[12:25] Kylei Benoir accepted your inventory offer.
[12:25] Kylei Benoir accepted your inventory offer.
[12:25] Ewan Mureaux: ooooh can i get a new one when you find time?
[12:25] Torley Linden: gotta be compliant
[12:25] Kylei Benoir: awwww lawl
[12:25] Igel Hawks: Thanks a lot BTW Torley, I crashed before
[12:25] Torley Linden: Terence, yes, i'm SO glad you articulated that... once you know how to do it, it seems small in hindsight... maybe i should do a tutorial + poseball tutorial
[12:26] Imnotgoing Sideways: I found that one of my bendy straws got "blacklisted". (T_T)
[12:26] Torley Linden: any recommendations for free/open source/full perms poseball scripts?
[12:26] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Hmmmmm
[12:26] Steel Halasy: I'm sure there is something there... they are fairly easy to do...
[12:26] Kylei Benoir: Bradford, do you have a Linden Bear *smiles sweetly*
[12:26] Ipenda Keynes: I think I have the one we used to use at TUI.
[12:26] Nicole McCallen: lol nope he doesnt
[12:26] Imnotgoing Sideways: A friend of mine gave me a "Sit Target Helper" folder that automates sit target sctipting. (^_^)
[12:26] Torley Linden: i may very well have to do a "this is how you make a chair... and sit in it all pretty!" i'm definitely counting on doing more content creation ones in the future, just because they're so popular (if you saw the Video Tutorials survey at login and took it, thanks, because a lot of people... 1000s i think, said they learned about "building" or something related and want more)
[12:26] Terence Mackie: crap - i bring up a good idea... now i'm lost as to where my stuff is i used to use LOL
[12:26] Kylei Benoir: aw man
[12:26] Qie Niangao: Crystalshard Foo's script is okay, but maybe too complicated
[12:27] Imnotgoing Sideways: I think it's available as a freebie somwhere. (^_^)
[12:27] Torley Linden: ah thanks for refreshing my memory on that Qie, i remember using that way back in 2005 when i was first messing around with animations
[12:27] Ipenda Keynes: NyteRave or Anim8 something like that...
[12:27] Igel Hawks: Hmm, i most time use the simple sitpose script
[12:27] Kylei Benoir: When I build furni I use the Nyterave one
[12:27] Kylei Benoir: just put it in the ball along with the pose and it works just fine
[12:27] Torley Linden: there ar some things i didn't do video tutorials on because there might've been a more elegant feature/way to do them, but some of those haven't been released yet
[12:27] Nicole McCallen: I prefer the nyterave one too
[12:27] Torley Linden: thanks for the poseball script pointers
[12:27] Nicole McCallen: Its easy to use
[12:28] Torley Linden: e.g., awhile back we had plans for a built-in AO so you didn't have to use a scripted one, but it wasn't shipped
[12:28] Torley Linden: i would've happily shown it off
[12:28] Kylei Benoir: gwendolyn i don't seeeeeee you
[12:28] Squirrel Wood: A vidtut on proper texturing?
[12:28] Torley Linden: so many pieces here at Linden Lab that move around tho...
[12:28] Squirrel Wood: texture sizes and such
[12:28] Terence Mackie: lol squirrel.. many possibilities there!
[12:28] Torley Linden: Squirrel: ah yeah, i've mentioned the texture size issue before but i could do that... actually what i may end up doing is a "Joy of Building" series broken down more modularly... many short tutorials, each one of them VERY focused
[12:29] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[12:29] Torley Linden: because as much as i like to do epic half hour tutorials with chapters, i know many people would rather just click on a topic and get FOCUS
[12:29] Squirrel Wood: how to build a cube.
[12:29] Terence Mackie: i made a spreadsheet, to help with the repeats
[12:29] Squirrel Wood: how to build a sphere.
[12:29] Kylei Benoir: coley i'm goin to find the SL5B bear and check on my exhibit i'll see you later *hugs* love you bestie
[12:29] Torley Linden: i did "how to rez a cube", haha
[12:29] Steel Halasy: A built in AO might solve some of the animation layering issues
[12:29] ShinIori319 Feichholz: hehe
[12:29] Squirrel Wood: how to ...
[12:29] Torley Linden: i won't cover ALL those variations but the hotter ones... and the most useful + fun (usefun!) stuff
[12:29] Ipenda Keynes: Take care Kylei.
[12:29] Nicole McCallen: love you too kylei
[12:29] Terence Mackie: torley don't laugh!! that is useful to the the noob!!
[12:29] Torley Linden: Terence: i laugh in a cheerful way, and totally agree!
[12:30] Ipenda Keynes: Yeah. There are what, 3 ways, to rez a prim!
[12:30] Terence Mackie: hehehe i know :)
[12:30] Torley Linden: i also did "what is a prim?" among others =)
[12:30] Igel Hawks: I will never forget how long I fighted to bring a texture just on one side of the cube LOL
[12:30] Bradford Linden: damn frozen pad thai! I have to keep running back to the kitchen to stir it! you're totally right about the imvu approach torley
[12:30] Imnotgoing Sideways says Bai Baii!!! (^_^)y
[12:30] Igel Hawks: I think, I tried it two weeks or so
[12:30] Torley Linden: mmmmm thai food
[12:30] Torley Linden: i'm glad you're here Bradford, you can see all the usability relations!
[12:30] Nicole McCallen pokes Bradford... awesome boombox.. where'd ya get it?
[12:30] Terence Mackie: lol igel! i wsa there too... i felt your pain, bro lol
[12:30] Bradford Linden: most definitely! i got it at fnky i believe
[12:30] Master Nestler is loving SL
[12:31] Nicole McCallen: I don't like IMVU but they do have some different approaches that LL could use to draw in more ppl.
[12:31] Squirrel Wood: A "What happened to the giant leek" tutorial?
[12:31] Torley Linden: Squirrel HAHAHAHAHAHA
[12:31] Terence Mackie: LOL
[12:31] Torley Linden: ohhh the followup i could do with that
[12:31] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Heh!
[12:31] Nicole McCallen: I liked that their tutorials were easy to use.. but then again their usability inside their chat program was too difficult
[12:31] Bradford Linden: i have a quick question, speaking of approaches to get people in. do you think more people would register if they got to select their avatar *before* entering all of their signup information
[12:31] Torley Linden: my best stuff often is the most spontaneous/crazy because that's really what happens here
[12:31] Igel Hawks: some one cooked leek soup
[12:32] Torley Linden: Nicole, i liked the video tutorials at the beginning of Kaneva, i think it was, but they were oddly low-FPS
[12:32] Wet Ikon Anim Override One.7 (Amped): Could not find animation ':: [ Sitting on Ground ] ::'
[12:32] Wet Ikon Anim Override One.7 (Amped): Could not find animation ':: [ Sitting on Ground ] ::'.
[12:32] Ewan Mureaux: i was thinking about drawing people in WoW has mr.T on tv here on the ads, i reckon LL should trump them with david hasselhoff and jan michael vincent
[12:32] Trinity Coulter: yes, I think so, Bradford, if they found an avie they liked
[12:32] Wet Ikon Anim Override One.7 (Amped): Could not find animation ':: [ Sitting on Ground ] ::'
[12:32] Wet Ikon Anim Override One.7 (Amped): Could not find animation ':: [ Sitting on Ground ] ::'.
[12:32] Ipenda Keynes: Badford, I always like to have an idea what I'm getting into before I provide personal info...
[12:32] Torley Linden: Bradford, my personal take is... *i* would've
[12:32] Nicole McCallen: I would love to choose what I'd look like before making my character...
[12:32] Torley Linden: based on all the web services i actually got to TRY beforehand... investing time in that BEFORE needing to fill out info
[12:32] Squirrel Wood: broken ao script - Wet Ikon Anim Override One.7 (Amped): Could not find animation ':: [ Sitting on Ground ] ::'. - fix the configuration notecard.
[12:32] Bradford Linden: i think i would have too. you get invested. especially if you get to customize a little
[12:32] Torley Linden: have any of you tried http://www.picnik.com ? it is a WORK OF GENIUS
[12:32] Steel Halasy: Especially picking your name....
[12:32] Bradford Linden: yep steel
[12:32] Nicole McCallen: If I would have known what I was going to be once i got into SL it would have been easier to pick a name and such...
[12:33] Torley Linden: it lets you try out a kewl online image editor, and then, only if you like it and want to commit to using it further, you can sign up
[12:33] Ipenda Keynes: I just started using Picnik, Torley. After seeing your video on it.
[12:33] Igel Hawks: it is great, yes Torley
[12:33] Wet Ikon Anim Override One.7 (Amped): Could not find animation ':: [ Sitting on Ground ] ::'
[12:33] Torley Linden: Picnik has brilliant UI, i am such a fan of theirs
[12:33] Wet Ikon Anim Override One.7 (Amped): Could not find animation ':: [ Sitting on Ground ] ::'.
[12:33] Ipenda Keynes: Perfect for when I don't quite need the power of Gimp.
[12:33] Torley Linden: they are very nice folks and very sharp about how to get people hooked to their product
[12:33] Master Nestler: is there going to be a tutorial on making money
[12:33] Torley Linden: yeah... totally, it helps simplify the workflow...
[12:33] Nicole McCallen: also for ppl who get their screen names like MonsterSlayer, they might not do that bercause they see they are going ot be a real person type thing
[12:33] Torley Linden: there is no better way to understand something than to experience, to BE it
[12:33] Torley Linden: Master, there are a lot of ways to make L$$$! ;D i doubt i could cover them all, but on my personal blog, i do blog about... MISSED OPPORTUNITIES in Second Life
[12:33] Bradford Linden: yep. its like anything else in life. people get ancy if asked to commit valuable information before knowing what they're getting
[12:34] Trinity Coulter: something like this might be nice on the signup page as an optional view: http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/gdc07-clip-the-ps3s-home-242341.php
[12:34] Torley Linden: like, markets that aren't being paid attention too
[12:34] Master Nestler: but im tired of noobs begging lol
[12:34] Terence Mackie: ah very cool.. is picknic a good choice for those not well-schooled in photoshop or ps pro?
[12:34] Torley Linden: Bradford, yeah, this whole line of thinking reminds me of Seth Godin's permission marketing stuff... have you heard of it?
[12:34] Ipenda Keynes: Absolutely, Terence.
[12:34] Torley Linden: Terence, YES
[12:34] Squirrel Wood: Monomonomonomonomono
[12:34] Nicole McCallen: Is picnik like flickr or a paint program?
[12:34] Torley Linden: Picnik is like a paint/image editor
[12:34] Terence Mackie: in other words - more user firends.... nevermind - i see your comments!
[12:34] Torley Linden: more for retouching than making stuff from the ground up
[12:34] Bradford Linden: good idea trinity
[12:34] Torley Linden: http://torley.com/picnik-is-beautiful-convenient-and-a-lot-of-fun
[12:35] Nicole McCallen: I'll look at that
[12:35] Torley Linden: and Picnik works directly with Flickr
[12:35] Nicole McCallen: ahh
[12:35] Igel Hawks: Any chance to get my hippos back?
[12:35] Torley Linden: when you view a Flickr image, you can click Edit atop... and it'll open in Picnik
[12:35] Farmazlaser Magic: PSN: Ratcloner101 tolley i back in that program
[12:35] Steel Halasy: Something I would really like to see is a combining of the grids -- and allowing more of the "younger generation" into SL.
[12:35] Torley Linden: Igel alas i don't know what happened to your hippos
[12:35] Terence Mackie: oh that is handy!
[12:35] Igel Hawks: Now they are called Loading ....
[12:35] Torley Linden: Steel, aye, i can't speculate on what's to come with that, but always a concern... i was with teens the other day,
[12:35] Torley Linden: and they were totally gung ho about "intergrid commerce"
[12:35] Master Nestler: Torley have you visited Scion City
[12:35] Igel Hawks: *giggles*
[12:35] Nicole McCallen: I don't think its a good idea to mix the grids honestly
[12:36] Torley Linden: Master, i have, the one with the fun cars?
[12:36] Master Nestler: yes you shall do flickr for that
[12:36] Nicole McCallen: theres too much mature things on this grid that is beyond a shadow of a doubt inappropriate for people under 18
[12:36] Trinity Coulter: I agree Nicole
[12:36] Ipenda Keynes: I think it would be too hard to enforce the mature vs teensafe for intergrid commerce.
[12:36] Jaymes Kjeller: Agreed
[12:36] Steel Halasy: True, but what is stopping someone from under 18 signing up on the main grid?
[12:36] Ipenda Keynes: Torley, when teens graduate to the main grid...do they get to keep their inventories, though?
[12:37] Nicole McCallen: To many adult activities that happen that could be a lawsuit waiting to happen if age wasnt disclosed in profile
[12:37] Torley Linden: Ipenda, i believe that's generally true.
[12:37] Torley Linden: there's been ideas of a "third space" of PG regions that is like an intermediary between Adult and Teen Second Life
[12:37] Farmazlaser Magic: Tolley if i got hook again with a Beta user knowing Fact I am Qore member waiting for beta to anything would be nice
[12:37] Steel Halasy: What it does do is prevent younger gridders from interacting with older gridders -- disallowing friends and family to interact
[12:37] Torley Linden: i think just about every possible combination has been talked about... not *done* yet but... the ideas are out there
[12:38] Ipenda Keynes: I think that would be great for some of the k-12 education ideas.
[12:38] Torley Linden: i think there's a lot of value in allowing parents and children to connect across many miles, especially in unorthodox family arrangements
[12:38] Ipenda Keynes: A place where background-checked adults and specific groups of teens could work together.
[12:38] Master Nestler: i need to make a watermelon scion for torley lol
[12:38] Torley Linden: Farmazlaser: pardon, i don't understand?
[12:38] Torley Linden: Ipenda, oh. re: that, there are some existing places like Global Kids
[12:39] Ipenda Keynes: *nod* I helped with the Suffern (Ramapo Islands) build before it went to TG.
[12:39] Bradford Linden: pad thai was worth the wait. why doesn't toyota see the market for watermelon scions in real life! :)
[12:39] Torley Linden: i actually filmed one of my first vidtuts on Scion...
[12:39] Torley Linden: hahaha
[12:39] Torley Linden: Ipenda: oooh kewl
[12:40] Master Nestler: i can do scion paintjobs
[12:40] Steel Halasy: What is Global Kids, Torley?
[12:40] Torley Linden: my brother is a texture artist but, to my dismay, he is not in Second Life presently
[12:40] Torley Linden: i've got to keep bugging him about that
[12:40] Trinity Coulter: Tutorleyials
[12:40] Torley Linden: er, instead of "bug", i mean "encourage... strongly"
[12:40] ShinIori319 Feichholz: hehe
[12:40] Igel Hawks: hehe
[12:40] Torley Linden: http://www.globalkids.org/
[12:40] Steel Halasy: Thanks
[12:41] Torley Linden: you're welcome =o)
[12:41] Igel Hawks: "we all want just the best for you, brother!"
[12:41] Torley Linden: hahahahah TRUE
[12:41] Farmazlaser Magic: Home's would get mostly all Video Gamer's off SecondLife back on anonying ToS
[12:41] Igel Hawks: *giggling*
[12:41] Torley Linden: he's big into anime and stuff, he'd love all the neko awesomeness and fantastic mecha
[12:41] Farmazlaser Magic: True
[12:41] Ipenda Keynes: Btw, Torley...I caught myself using "chop the slop" a few times before the end of our school year.
[12:41] Torley Linden: anime's gotten to the point where it's even combining/marrying career guides
[12:41] Torley Linden: oh really Ipenda! i'm so happy to hear that!
[12:42] Torley Linden: (Johnny Bunko... manga meets career advice... http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Johnny-Bunko-Career-Guide/dp/1594482918/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214509325&sr=8-1 ... OMG ugly link)
[12:43] Torley Linden: "chop the slop" is something i say about discarding unnecessary waste -- in today's day and age, there's too much going on and not enough of your time to get the most out of life, or even Second Life.
[12:43] Farmazlaser Magic: Other Grids and program helper against Griefer or non Griefer time
[12:43] Nicole McCallen: Good phrase I like!
[12:43] Torley Linden: i may be whimsical but i'm an advocate for effective productivity :)
[12:43] Master Nestler: torley can i sit next to u to take a pic lol
[12:43] Ipenda Keynes: Yeah. I was also using is in an "avoid mediocrity" sort of way.
[12:43] Torley Linden: yes come closer Master!
[12:43] Torley Linden: totally, Ipenda... why be mediocre if you can excel?
[12:43] Ipenda Keynes: Exactly!
[12:43] Bradford Linden: do you use gtd or did you use a home-baked superguru syste!
[12:43] Bradford Linden: *system
[12:43] Master Nestler: hahahaha
[12:44] Ewan Mureaux: watch those paws
[12:44] ShinIori319 Feichholz: hehe
[12:44] Torley Linden: Bradford, GTD was too complex for me, lol... i adapted my own system and it's pretty simple
[12:44] Ipenda Keynes: I've look at gtd, but haven't really gotten myself into the advanced organizers and such.
[12:44] Bradford Linden: i'm not sure this "productivity system" stuff helps me achieve my goals of living fast and dying young
[12:44] Torley Linden: i like Google Desktop's To Do and i have a Google Desktop widget
[12:44] Bradford Linden: ah
[12:44] Torley Linden: hahaha Bradford, have you heard of Tim Ferriss?
[12:44] Bradford Linden: no who is he
[12:45] Torley Linden: he's been into kickboxing competitions and wild adventures, i think you'd like some of his writings
[12:45] Torley Linden: i don't know if he counts on dying young,
[12:45] Nicole McCallen: Question since I am in the presence of lindens...
[12:45] Terence Mackie: pardon my interruption - rl is calling.. but thank you torley and all for such an insterestin meeting!! torley, i want your linden bear one of these days LOL :)
[12:45] Torley Linden: but he certainly doesn't care for "waiting for retirement"
[12:45] Terence Mackie: goodbye all :)
[12:45] Nicole McCallen: I'm planning to put Vista on my system...
[12:45] Bradford Linden: that's awesome i'll check it out. at least he has the living fast part down!
[12:45] Torley Linden: Terence let me send that to you like NOW
[12:45] Nicole McCallen: Is it gonna inhibit my sl'ing habits?
[12:45] Terence Mackie: ah cool
[12:45] Squirrel Wood: Vista? EEEEK
[12:45] Torley Linden: w00t thanx for being here!
[12:45] Torley Linden: and take care
[12:45] Terence Mackie: thanks torley - u da best!
[12:45] Terence Mackie accepted your inventory offer.
[12:45] Torley Linden: Nicole, SL is compatible with Vista
[12:45] Igel Hawks: bye terence, nice to meet you
[12:45] Ipenda Keynes: Nicole, I've been using Vista on my laptop for almsot a year now, and rarely do I have problems.
[12:46] ShinIori319 Feichholz: I'm running Vi$ta
[12:46] Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
[12:46] Terence Mackie accepted your inventory offer.
[12:46] Torley Linden: i'm still on XP
[12:46] Igel Hawks: I hate Vista and still use XP
[12:46] Ipenda Keynes: I still curse it occasionally, but only because my OLDER XP machine still runs SL almsot as well.
[12:46] Torley Linden: i'd upgrade to Vista if i could be convinced there'd be a significant leap in improvements for me
[12:46] Master Nestler: vista sucks
[12:46] Kazuhiro Aridian: wheee crowded here to-day : D
[12:46] Nicole McCallen: im afraid to use vista cuz i heard it makes sl lag
[12:46] Farmazlaser Magic: I been stick on ShoopedLife on my Sony Vaio
[12:46] Torley Linden: Nicole, i'd ask yourself: "what other Vista improvements are going to be worth the upgrade for me?"
[12:46] ShinIori319 Feichholz: I have XP on my other computer
[12:46] Kazuhiro Aridian: I can't run the RC on my Vista lappytop : C
[12:46] Nicole McCallen: Good Idea Torley
[12:47] Torley Linden: Nicole, when i asked myself that, i couldn't come up with anything compelling
[12:47] Igel Hawks: Vista just needs more recources, I cnat see any improvement now
[12:47] Kazuhiro Aridian: haha
[12:47] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Indeed
[12:47] Master Nestler: am i hugging my pillow too much
[12:47] Trinity Coulter: maybe Vista needs a watermelon desktop theme
[12:47] Disa Paine: noooo, justright amount
[12:47] Kazuhiro Aridian: Vista is sure pretty! I just think it might have been released ahead of its time, as it drains more than a reasonable amount of resources to run
[12:48] Ewan Mureaux: watch you dont end up like linus
[12:48] Ewan Mureaux: from charlie brown
[12:48] Ipenda Keynes: So much of Vista's footprint, is making it look nice.
[12:48] ShinIori319 Feichholz: I think some of its features are unnecessary
[12:48] ShinIori319 Feichholz: like the Aero
[12:48] Torley Linden: hahahahaha
[12:48] Igel Hawks: and most bad on Vista: It is not programmed to improve the recource using
[12:48] Ipenda Keynes: Where Mac and Linux's footprint are mostly about usability.
[12:48] Torley Linden: i like Mac OS X a lot
[12:48] Jaymes Kjeller: Luckly, you can turn it off.
[12:48] Kazuhiro Aridian: yeah metoo ^^
[12:49] Igel Hawks: There is much more possible if they would keep the recources in view in developing
[12:49] Steel Halasy: But based on Moore's law, the computers in 2 years will run VISTA as if it was nothing...
[12:49] Kazuhiro Aridian: yeah, Steel
[12:49] Torley Linden: i've grown to like Maemo... it's the OS on my N800 internet tablet
[12:49] Steel Halasy: And the latest OS will still be slow
[12:49] Torley Linden: it's Linux-based and very fun to use, displays well on a compact screen
[12:49] Disa Paine: do many Lindens come inworld with alts to play and see what is here?
[12:49] Ipenda Keynes: Well...I think M$ is actually in talks to redesign the OS from the ground up.
[12:49] Ipenda Keynes: "Windowing" is an 80's concept.
[12:50] Torley Linden: thank goodness for Moore's law and similar progress... think about how 15 years ago, a "3d accelerator card" was a shockingly high system requirement
[12:50] Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah, I've heard they are rebuilding the kernal from scratch.
[12:50] Torley Linden: Disa, i know many that do, yes
[12:50] Torley Linden: i have an alt i use a lot on the weekends
[12:50] Disa Paine: :)
[12:50] Torley Linden: (Torley Olmstead)
[12:50] Torley Linden: sometimes there's too much happening on my Linden account
[12:50] Ipenda Keynes: Disa, Teagan Linden came clubbing with us the other night.
[12:50] Torley Linden: but i sure do love chatting with you
[12:50] Igel Hawks: I think they do it
[12:50] Bradford Linden: i do disa :)
[12:50] Torley Linden: hehehe
[12:50] Torley Linden: Linden alts used to be such a big deal
[12:50] Disa Paine: yay
[12:51] Nicole McCallen: hehe
[12:51] Kazuhiro Aridian: alts are fun ; D
[12:51] Torley Linden: i just ended up using Torley for my alts name tho, because it was hard to hide watermelon
[12:51] Torley Linden: omg i sat up the wrong way
[12:51] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Yep
[12:51] Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
[12:51] Steel Halasy: lol
[12:51] Ipenda Keynes: hahaha
[12:51] Torley Linden: Kazuhiro i recommended Space Linden to check out your glow+other fantastical works
[12:51] Torley Linden: he is looking for ways to improve his avatar with cosmic effects
[12:51] Nicole McCallen: Torley could I please have a Linden Bear I think I want to start my collection today..
[12:51] Ipenda Keynes: Torley, your alts are just like any of our accounts, then, right?
[12:51] Torley Linden: sure Nicole!!! i'll get ya started
[12:51] Torley Linden: Ipenda, yes... right, no special powers
[12:51] Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
[12:51] Trinity Coulter: Torley, can you find where Pony Linden is grazing and see if he will come to SL5B?
[12:51] Bradford Linden: yep ipenda
[12:51] Jaymes Kjeller: And don't get me started on how fast technology has improved! 'Round about a decade or so ago, the best CPU was a Pentium II, now you have multi-core processors becomming commonplace.
[12:52] Nicole McCallen accepted your inventory offer.
[12:52] Ewan Mureaux: would it be possible in the futiure to start voting out residents who never have anything constructive to say ever?
[12:52] Nicole McCallen accepted your inventory offer.
[12:52] Nicole McCallen: Thank You
[12:52] Bradford Linden: haha ewan
[12:52] CeeJay Tigerpaw: What a fine idea!!
[12:52] Kazuhiro Aridian: that'd be nice : x
[12:52] Steel Halasy: Second Life, Survior Edition?
[12:52] Nicole McCallen: lol I'd be out pretty fast
[12:52] Kazuhiro Aridian: UR VOTED OFF THE ISLAND
[12:52] Ipenda Keynes: Hahaha
[12:52] ShinIori319 Feichholz: hehehe
[12:52] Ewan Mureaux has felt the wrath of a conspiracy nut recently
[12:52] Ipenda Keynes: We don't have enough reality shows in sl.
[12:52] Torley Linden: Trinity this is where i feel very guilty because, last time i got asked, i said "Pony Linden got turned into glue!" and i think that was very cruel of me. :( but srsly, i promised not to relive Pony Linden because he walked off into the sunset with Ben Linden
[12:53] Kazuhiro Aridian: d'aww
[12:53] Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
[12:53] Trinity Coulter: awwww
[12:53] Torley Linden: Ewan, oh, you know, i personally have a firm stance on that... being mr. "chop the slop" and all that, i do think conflict among humans is inevitable but life (and Second Life) is too short and there's too many awesome things to do, so yeah, i don't have any use for wordy drivel that doesn't help us get our dreams done
[12:53] Trinity Coulter: my friend Kitty loved Pony
[12:53] Ewan Mureaux: glue factory would have been a great addition to bay city, next door to the dog food place
[12:53] Torley Linden: i'm more into Donald Trump's The Apprentice than Survivor tho...
[12:53] Torley Linden: YOU'RE FIRED
[12:53] Ipenda Keynes: hahaha ewan.
[12:54] Nicole McCallen: lol
[12:54] Kazuhiro Aridian: haha
[12:54] Ewan Mureaux: from a cannon
[12:54] Torley Linden: i can't say i'm a big fan, or even a fan, of drama
[12:54] Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah. Why have a paragraph to say, when a sentence would do.
[12:54] Steel Halasy: lol
[12:54] Torley Linden: it's too predictable and boring and hurtful
[12:54] Kazuhiro Aridian: yes : x
[12:54] Ipenda Keynes: I'm a big fan of Hell's Kitchen, and him not taking any "slop" (literally).
[12:54] Torley Linden: humans can only get mad in so many ways, the same old Greek themes repeated throughout all of history
[12:54] Master Nestler: i hate drama
[12:54] Nicole McCallen: Ipenda-- have you seen Wipeout?
[12:54] Trinity Coulter: drama sucks
[12:54] Igel Hawks: The silent crashes are getting more in RC11
[12:54] Torley Linden: i don't know about Hell's Kitchen? tell me more, Ipenda?
[12:54] Ipenda Keynes: Yeah!
[12:54] Master Nestler: they take things too seruous
[12:54] Nicole McCallen: MY side hurts from laughing so hard omg!
[12:54] CeeJay Tigerpaw: At least, watching drama without participating is a good way to end up feeling superior ...
[12:54] Ewan Mureaux: brilliant winds of change just came on my stream, one of my top three whistling songs :D
[12:54] Steel Halasy: It is funny, because RL dama someting seems amplified in SL
[12:55] Qie Niangao: Igel, RC11 has been rock-solid for me so far.
[12:55] Torley Linden: CeeJay: oh yeah, the old "eating the popcorn"... some humans have always thrived on deprecative humor which degrades others
[12:55] Ipenda Keynes: Chef Gordon Ramsey owns "Hell's Kitchen", which is a reality show of WannaBe Chefs.
[12:55] Jaymes Kjeller: I very much detest drama, RL, SL, or on the TV.
[12:55] Master Nestler: one person quit SL because of all this drama
[12:55] Torley Linden: like all those "omg he crashed his skateboard into a train" videos on the Internets
[12:55] Torley Linden: i've had many friends who took hiatuses from SL because of dramas...
[12:55] Kazuhiro Aridian: why does he not just EAT the other human?
[12:55] Steel Halasy: Maybe because of misunderstandings (text exchange without emotions)
[12:55] Torley Linden: Steel, yeah, and a reluctance by some to get onto voice
[12:55] Caitlyn Clawtooth: sorry I am late, tech stuff
[12:55] CeeJay Tigerpaw: Hey, griefers are stringy and bitter ...
[12:55] Torley Linden: i've had good experience with RC11 so far but will continue using it... seeing what cracks happen
[12:55] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Indeed
[12:56] Squirrel Wood: http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08062102.html ^^
[12:56] Torley Linden: this has been the most epic, enduring RC evar
[12:56] Master Nestler: torley how many friends do u have on ur friend list
[12:56] Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
[12:56] Trinity Coulter: the worst drama is having a close friend hurt you
[12:56] Kazuhiro Aridian: is there a limit on the number of friends you can have? : D
[12:56] Gwendolyn Cassini: pff im back. I had some phonecalls about the boyscouts. Im a scouting leader and m working on their first summercamp (kids are 5-7 years old).
[12:56] CeeJay Tigerpaw: But I agree, the drama sometimes makes me entirely too homesick for my Junior High School cafeteria ...
[12:57] Ewan Mureaux: i hate mostly the drama of people who pretend to be moral crusaders but are actually worse than a plain old griefer :(
[12:57] Torley Linden: Master, not many! i used to have 1000s but, on this Linden account, i often need to test things and can't be interrupted too much, and managing too many contacts -- we don't have easier ways to do them
[12:57] Gwendolyn Cassini: lol Master nice pillow
[12:57] CeeJay Tigerpaw: How about a "mute psychodrama" option for audio and text...
[12:57] Kazuhiro Aridian: I tend to avoid drama, and well television alltogether like the plague : x
[12:57] Master Nestler: i love this pillow
[12:57] Farmazlaser Magic: I give up why is Ticket system so slow & lame to get a answer back?
[12:57] Torley Linden: Ewan, yes, there are a lot of armchair lawyers and fakey activists out there
[12:57] Gwendolyn Cassini: can see Mater
[12:57] Torley Linden: it's really lame
[12:57] Gwendolyn Cassini: *master
[12:57] Kazuhiro Aridian: hoy, thousands?
[12:57] Kazuhiro Aridian: I thought I was big and bad with 300 ; D
[12:57] Torley Linden: Kazuhiro: yeah!
[12:57] Gwendolyn Cassini: well the Lindens seem to love me, because my tickets get answered almost instantly
[12:58] Igel Hawks: hehe
[12:58] Ipenda Keynes: I weed through my friends list occasionally.
[12:58] Kazuhiro Aridian: gosh, what a list! I bet it's a chore to find anyone : D
[12:58] Master Nestler: i sold 200 of these pillows on SLX
[12:58] Ipenda Keynes: Since you can still keep the calling cards.
[12:58] Torley Linden: here's an easy test to do: if someone talks about making a difference, encourage them to do so, and get back to you and show it. :)
[12:58] Steel Halasy: thousands of friends must mean hundreds of (hippos) not anymore though :)
[12:58] Trinity Coulter: I agree, Torley
[12:58] Torley Linden: i was also responsible for removing "hippos" in part
[12:58] Igel Hawks: No, why dont you like hippos?
[12:58] Torley Linden: a lot of people (and this is a human problem, not a SL-specific problem) will talk loudly about what they want to see fixed/improved
[12:58] Jaymes Kjeller: I completely agree there. Sometimes they can get fanatical over very small things...
[12:58] Gwendolyn Cassini: sometimes i still have hippos in my friends list
[12:59] Torley Linden: comparatively few will actually step up, and even... spend a few minutes to correct a wiki page, when they drone on and on about how the page has incorrect info :p
[12:59] Steel Halasy sighs.
[12:59] Torley Linden: i've seen this many times. but thankfully, i've also seen a lot of warmth and energy and enthusiasm from Second Life, and that's what i love here
[12:59] Gwendolyn Cassini: ts ok to want improvements, but the thing that disturbs me most is the constantly Linden Bashing.
[12:59] Bradford Linden: i think a lot of that is exacerbated by the relative anonymity of the internet torley
[12:59] Trinity Coulter: I'm always trying to help and fix things, Torley, but sometimes the culture at LL (among some) has made it hard.
[12:59] Gwendolyn Cassini blushes: ill add stuff to the scripting wiki ;)
[12:59] Igel Hawks: The worst thing are people who bring wrong infos into wiki pages intentionally
[13:00] Bradford Linden: you have no repeated interaction with the people you are insulting or criticizing
[13:00] Bradford Linden: so you can be harsher
[13:00] Torley Linden: Gwendolyn, yup, without Lindens and without Residents, we don't have Second Life to begin with
[13:00] Gwendolyn Cassini <3 lindens
[13:00] Kazuhiro Aridian: I ♥ SL
[13:00] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Me too
[13:00] Farmazlaser Magic: Hardware Bans need to be stoop and just hit the IP number if youi want them tolley gone
[13:00] Torley Linden: <3 Lindens too but i am totally biased
[13:00] Igel Hawks: <3 Torley
[13:00] Jaymes Kjeller: Oh, don't get me started on that! I really feel that they have to put up with it.
[13:00] Squirrel Wood: You should replace hippos with actual sculpted hippos :p
[13:00] Gwendolyn Cassini: btw Bradford, do you have a bear? *puppy eyes*
[13:00] Torley Linden: Trinity, aw
[13:00] Master Nestler: i saw ur pic on flickr torley
[13:00] ShinIori319 Feichholz is a SL-addicted!
[13:00] Ipenda Keynes: I've never had a bad experience intereacting with a Linden...
[13:00] Torley Linden: Bradford, yeah, i remember the Penny Arcade cartoon on internet anonymity
[13:00] Torley Linden: it's funny too, some people who are very harsh in text, won't get on voice ;)
[13:01] Ipenda Keynes: I think most of the Linden-bashing comes from the fact that many of the residents have never HAD an inworld reaction.
[13:01] Trinity Coulter: Torley, can I IM you with a question?
[13:01] Ipenda Keynes: with them.
[13:01] Jaymes Kjeller: Despite the fact that the Lindens shouldn't have to!
[13:01] Bradford Linden: sadly gwendolyn I just started last week and I don't yet have a bear! i'll need to get right on that, but i have to get it right :) can't throw out any old bear
[13:01] Kazuhiro Aridian: did you see the Jon Stewart clip on SL? haha
[13:01] Torley Linden: Ipenda, far more Resis than Lindens now, i love Lindens being personal and upfront
[13:01] Gwendolyn Cassini: :)
[13:01] Torley Linden: (i'm biased about that too, ha ha!)
[13:01] Trinity Coulter: yes, i agree, Torley
[13:01] Ipenda Keynes: Sure. I realize it's quite difficult to "run into a Linden". But like last week, meeting Teagan, then having her club and visit our blogs...
[13:02] Gwendolyn Cassini: cool you activated voice now Torley
[13:02] Gwendolyn Cassini: :D
[13:02] Ipenda Keynes: It was a "warm fuzzy" feeling.
[13:02] Ewan Mureaux: think need people need to remember we're all real people behind the keyboard and we all kinda want the best even if they dont agree
[13:02] Torley Linden: ha ha ha
[13:02] Kazuhiro Aridian: uh oh
[13:02] Caitlyn Clawtooth: so Torley, when do we get ta see you at kids5b? :)
[13:02] Torley Linden: yup, there are plenty of things i disagree with, but when talking with reasonable people, they may very well have an idea that i'll adopt and improve on
[13:02] Igel Hawks: For some Resis it is hard to understand that a Linden cant do anything adhoc usually because there are so many depentend parts connected
[13:02] Torley Linden: i hear Darth Vader-ish!
[13:03] Steel Halasy: Response to vader on voice: No thanks, the dark side needs better lighting...
[13:03] Torley Linden: Caitlyn i'm hoping to do a tour with my wife soon... of all of SL5B including Kids5B :)
[13:03] Squirrel Wood: MorphVox ^^
[13:03] Steel Halasy: The Dark Side needs to use Windlight
[13:03] Caitlyn Clawtooth: so cool!
[13:03] Caitlyn Clawtooth: :)
[13:03] Ewan Mureaux: i got a great vader av, check this primtology
[13:03] Kazuhiro Aridian: d'awww ^^
[13:03] Squirrel Wood: voice morphers - also good for a tutorial ^^
[13:03] Igel Hawks: so the residents supose that LKindens NEVER listen or do anything.
[13:03] Squirrel Wood: star wars music - http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08062102.html
[13:04] Torley Linden: John Williams is so badass
[13:04] Igel Hawks: oh, Voice morphers would be a great topic for vidtut
[13:04] Bradford Linden: i've got to run to a meeting so sadly i have to leave you all. thanks for letting me join your office hours Torley!
[13:04] Gwendolyn Cassini: cool Darth vader avi :D
[13:04] Disa Paine: are there any plans to get vid tuts dubbed in other languages?
[13:04] Torley Linden: thanx for coming Bradford and let me know if i can help with anything!
[13:04] Torley Linden: take care!!
[13:04] Ipenda Keynes: Take care Bradford!
[13:04] Gwendolyn Cassini: well Bradly i know where to find you
[13:04] Qie Niangao: have fun, Bradford!
[13:04] Master Nestler: bye brad
[13:04] Gwendolyn Cassini: and looking forward to your bear ;)
[13:04] Disa Paine: bye bradford, enjoy sl
[13:04] Bradford Linden: /wave
[13:04] Gwendolyn Cassini: bradford
[13:04] ShinIori319 Feichholz: See ya Brad
[13:04] Torley Linden: =o)
[13:04] Kazuhiro Aridian: byyyyyye~
[13:04] Steel Halasy: Oh Yeah. John Williams knows how to use a brass sections! (very much like Mahler)
[13:04] Gwendolyn Cassini: *blush*
[13:04] Master Nestler: Friendly Greeting :)
[13:04] Torley Linden: Disa, i've seen a couple -- no Linden plans to do it but Residents can try :o)
[13:04] Gwendolyn Cassini: wow cool gesture
[13:04] ShinIori319 Feichholz: Indeed
[13:05] Torley Linden: ah yes, Mahler and... THE PLANETS... oh wait, i'm thinking of Holst, which had great brass too
[13:05] Qie Niangao: need to make that a ringtone, Master
[13:05] Gwendolyn Cassini: Master where did you get that one?
[13:05] Disa Paine: <-- English so only speaks english
[13:05] Torley Linden: so many awesome avatars here today, i am honored
[13:05] Steel Halasy: lol
[13:05] Master Nestler: i made the gesture
[13:05] Ipenda Keynes: Mahler was the guy that first started using 4 french horns in a classical orchestra.
[13:05] Gwendolyn Cassini: cool is it up for sale? :D
[13:05] Ipenda Keynes: Now it's commonplace.
[13:05] Gwendolyn Cassini: BOOM!
[13:05] Jaymes Kjeller: Maybe I should come in a awsome avatar next time. I just need to think of one. :)
[13:06] Gwendolyn Cassini: did you see the Grendells avatar in the Library
[13:06] Igel Hawks: it is great
[13:06] Gwendolyn Cassini: i was amazed whjen i saw it
[13:06] Kazuhiro Aridian: Flea Bussy's AVs are great : 3
[13:06] Gwendolyn Cassini: thank you Master!
[13:06] Torley Linden: ;-D
[13:06] Master Nestler: np
[13:06] Gwendolyn Cassini: hugs and kisses to Master
[13:06] Master Nestler: YAY! (yay!)
[13:06] Ewan Mureaux: and a great place to pick up an open franimation to use in your creations
[13:06] Torley Linden: now, my gracious thanks for being here with me and i'm sorry i must go now!
[13:06] Igel Hawks: Both Grendel AVs are cool
[13:06] ShinIori319 Feichholz: No way
[13:06] Gwendolyn Cassini: :) Hugs Torley
[13:06] Torley Linden: next Video Tip of the Week arrives this Saturday
[13:06] CeeJay Tigerpaw: CUL Torley!
[13:06] Torley Linden: it's been fun :-D
[13:06] ShinIori319 Feichholz: See ya Torley
[13:06] Ewan Mureaux: see ya soon torley, have a great weekend
[13:06] Gwendolyn Cassini: it was nice seeing you and seeing you type :D
[13:06] Disa Paine: bye and thanks for SL
[13:07] Igel Hawks: Thanks Torley
[13:07] Master Nestler: bye torley
[13:07] Gwendolyn Cassini: lol
[13:07] Qie Niangao: thanks for hosting, Torley
[13:07] Squirrel Wood: Have a grrrrrrrrrreat weekend!
[13:07] Igel Hawks: Take care and have fun
[13:07] Ipenda Keynes: Thanks Torley! Enjoyed it as always
[13:07] Emilylo Mayako: bye and thanks Torley
[13:07] Jaymes Kjeller: See you soon Torley!
[13:07] Torley Linden: bye bye for now! =^_^= *waves and smiles*