User:Enus Linden/Office Hours/2008 August 08

• [8:59] Periapse Linden: Hello everybody
• [8:59] Perefim Cao: Hello everyone.
• [8:59] BlueWall Slade: Hello!
• [8:59] Dahlia Trimble: Hi :)
• [8:59] G2 Proto: hello fellow 'Nauts!
• [9:00] BlueWall Slade: Hi
• [9:01] Perefim Cao: I am afraid I will have nothing but questions today... :D
• [9:01] G2 Proto: thats ok
• [9:01] G2 Proto: freeform it
• [9:02] Periapse Linden: So it looks like there were a lot of new gridnauts voyaging yesterday. Congrats to all who succeeded.
• [9:02] Periapse Linden: For those that didn't yet, go ahead and ask your questions. We have a couple veteren Gridnauts here.
• [9:03] Strawberry Fride: I managed to get into Tish's sim, but I was 100% anonymous at both ends
• [9:03] Mirt Tenk: probs w/firewall have kept me out of our sim but I can get through others
• [9:03] Strawberry Fride: haven't tried again in a week though
• [9:03] Periapse Linden: Also, remember that there's an irc channel #gridnauts at irc.freenode.net
• [9:03] G2 Proto: this is a lazy question I could look it up I am sure but what is the minimum OpenSim trunk for a grid to use the OGP patch?
• [9:04] BlueWall Slade: it probably works with head
• [9:04] Dahlia Trimble: G2 it's probably best to use the version that's specified in the patch name
• [9:04] Perefim Cao: Honestly, I am a graphics guy.. I know really not much, but not a newb. I have a full region in SL and then I have a full region in OLG. so... anyways besides that... I guess I need to know what I am supposed to do to get to the other side... :D, without eating a grid bullet.
• [9:06] Dahlia Trimble: I wanted to chenge my region to another server but I realized that people have the url's cached :/
• [9:06] G2 Proto: ok thanks DHalia
• [9:07] Xugu Madison: Anyone know why I'd be getting "Bad Request" when trying to teleport to my region?
• [9:07] Mirt Tenk: I'm not a network god but I'm trying to understand trouble I've been having
• [9:07] Saijanai Kuhn: [1]
• [9:07] Mirt Tenk: np logging on to OpenSim directly w/standard client
• [9:07] Periapse Linden: Perefim make sure you've read all this first: [2]
• [9:07] Periapse Linden: (and the link Sai just sent)
• [9:07] Mirt Tenk: but w/the OpenGrid client, can't do it
• [9:07] Periapse Linden: That way your questions will be more specific
• [9:08] Mirt Tenk: is this b/c it goes out & back in w/opengrid and can't get through the firewall?
• [9:09] Perefim Cao: turns pale at the amount of reading.
• [9:09] Strawberry Fride: ok, my dumb question is about the claiming map locations - if we run standalone, we're not on a grid... so what grid is this for?
• [9:09] Saijanai Kuhn: skip to the how to
• [9:09] Saijanai Kuhn: the interoperability grid
• [9:10] BlueWall Slade: they should have the3 equipment to see what is happening and open up the appropriate ports/protocols
• [9:10] Twa Hinkle: i finally used enough rooms of monkeys.. and got mine working through Vaak. one more dumb question... how do i log in direct now that my location is now not 1000 1000?
• [9:10] Periapse Linden: Strawberry, I gather this interoperability grid isn't really a grid, but the opensimulators need to thing they are part of a global coordinate system.
• [9:11] Strawberry Fride: aah, okie, that's kinda how I figured it'd work
• [9:11] Perefim Cao: I.. umm.. grids .. patches.. ports.. protocols... O.O
• [9:11] Strawberry Fride: a virtual virtual grid
• [9:11] Strawberry Fride: or something
• [9:11] BlueWall Slade: O.o
• [9:11] Periapse Linden: lol
• [9:11] Mirt Tenk: So does the protocol take you out to the "grid" and back in w/the OpenGrid login?
• [9:11] Saijanai Kuhn: there's a fully compiled download you can use instad of a patch, by the way
• [9:11] Mirt Tenk: even when logging directly?
• [9:11] Mirt Tenk: we're using the one released Wed
• [9:12] Perefim Cao: I ahve a sim on the open life grid isn't that a opensim region right?
• [9:12] Mirt Tenk: I'm also confused about terminology OpenGrid vs OpenSim?
• [9:13] Mirt Tenk: I've got our OpenSim hosted on the machine behind me in my office
• [9:13] Dahlia Trimble: Opensim is the software
• [9:13] Mirt Tenk: right, but there's a diff version for the grid, or not?
• [9:13] Mirt Tenk: only a diff viewer?
• [9:13] BlueWall Slade: hehe
• [9:13] Dahlia Trimble: there is a differevt vversion
• [9:13] Mirt Tenk: (Originally trained as a tech writer for computer documentation, so trying to understand)
• [9:13] BlueWall Slade: "Open Grid" is the protocols being developed
• [9:14] Periapse Linden: Open Grid refers to what we are doing now. Interoperability
• [9:14] Mirt Tenk: right, THAT'S what I want to understand
• [9:14] BlueWall Slade: to allow other VW's to interoop
• [9:14] Perefim Cao: mmm seems i need this beta viewer thingy
• [9:14] Mirt Tenk: the protocols
• [9:14] Perefim Cao: can I get the link for downloading the beta viewer please.
• [9:14] BlueWall Slade: OGP
• [9:14] Periapse Linden: Opensim is the name of the open sourced simulators
• [9:14] Mirt Tenk: If I try to login w/OpenGrid protocol, does it go outside our firewall & then back in?
• [9:14] Mirt Tenk: to get into our OpenSim?
• [9:14] BlueWall Slade: yes
• [9:14] Mirt Tenk: b/c w/the standard viewer, we could login directly w/no problem using the IP
• [9:15] BlueWall Slade: you authenticate agains the LL servers
• [9:15] Mirt Tenk: OK, THANK YOU
• [9:15] Saijanai Kuhn: you login to a SL beta grid and then TP to your open sim
• [9:15] Periapse Linden: perefim -- it's in the doco
• [9:15] Mirt Tenk: I have been able to to the tp thing from home
• [9:15] Xugu Madison: who can I prod to go "Help, this doesn't work"?
• [9:15] Perefim Cao: what is a doco?
• [9:15] BlueWall Slade: the regions accept LL authentication and allow you in
• [9:15] Mirt Tenk: but not @ work, so this pretty much proves I need the 9000 UDP port opened in firewall
• [9:15] BlueWall Slade: yes
• [9:15] Mirt Tenk: Yeah, I have done it but not from here on campus
• [9:15] Mirt Tenk: v frustrating
• [9:15] Saijanai Kuhn: There is a gridnauts gorup and the #gridnauts irc
• [9:16] Saijanai Kuhn: and a mailing list
• [9:16] Mirt Tenk: yes, they were v kind to me yesterday w/all my questions/probs :)
• [9:16] Mirt Tenk: yes, on that too
• [9:16] BlueWall Slade: ask the network admins to monitor the traffic
• [9:16] Mirt Tenk: as in, if they open the port?
• [9:16] BlueWall Slade: and open up the ports/protocols you need
• [9:16] Mirt Tenk: I've told them what I need
• [9:16] Mirt Tenk: we can do the TCP port ourselves
• [9:16] Saijanai Kuhn: DOn't feel bad about that last. I'm hazy on that one too
• [9:17] Mirt Tenk: so now it's just wait
• [9:17] Saijanai Kuhn: still haven't done TP without completely disabling the firewall for the duration
• [9:17] BlueWall Slade: you have TCP, that's why you can see the Hippos stuff
• [9:17] Mirt Tenk: Like many other things, the whole experience has been very painfully-reinforced learning the hard way
• [9:17] Mirt Tenk: Yes, makes sense
• [9:17] Mirt Tenk: ty
• [9:17] BlueWall Slade: "Bleeding Edge"
• [9:17] Mirt Tenk: for exp
• [9:18] Mirt Tenk: Oh is THAT what that means?! Right!
• [9:18] BlueWall Slade: lol, maybe whump needs a medic-bear
• [9:18] Mirt Tenk: What is the deal w/the bears?
• [9:18] Saijanai Kuhn: a bandage wraped around its head
• [9:18] G2 Proto: its not called the "Pillow-Edge" for a reason
• [9:18] BlueWall Slade: sling
• [9:18] Mirt Tenk: everyone asks for them but I found no orig offer
• [9:18] BlueWall Slade: cast on leg
• [9:18] BlueWall Slade: portable IV
• [9:18] Periapse Linden: Whump is giving out these special "collectors" Linden bears to successful gridnauts
• [9:19] G2 Proto: ok i have to get that asap
• [9:19] BlueWall Slade: i put up a couple of jiras related to viewr crashes/appearance
• [9:19] Mirt Tenk: does it qualify if you can tp but not to your own Sim?
• [9:19] Saijanai Kuhn: you get a bear if you document your trip to an opensim with the beta viewer
• [9:19] Saijanai Kuhn: not sure
• [9:19] Mirt Tenk: I did that on the list
• [9:19] Strawberry Fride: I'll have another go this weekend
• [9:19] BlueWall Slade: some of it is related to ghosting
• [9:19] G2 Proto: will where do we send it? whumpville?
• [9:19] Periapse Linden: I don't know. Best to ask Whump upon his return Monday.
• [9:19] G2 Proto: k
• [9:20] Periapse Linden: I imagine that the details are "in the wiki".
• [9:20] Dahlia Trimble: he has a lot of bears to give out
• [9:20] BlueWall Slade: also put a note on the jira how-to, asking folks to make links to the umbrella issue
• [9:20] Saijanai Kuhn: well the how to page suggests its any sim, not just your own, but don't hold me to that
• [9:21] BlueWall Slade: we want them in the OGP grid too
• [9:21] BlueWall Slade: grins
• [9:21] Mirt Tenk: we want to be there . . .
• [9:23] Periapse Linden: Well, the dev team is working on the submitted issues. I haven't had a chance to check in with tess or leyla today to see about progress
• [9:23] Periapse Linden: Our huddle isn't for another hour and a half.
• [9:24] Perefim Cao: whats a huddle
• [9:24] Perefim Cao: :D
• [9:24] Saijanai Kuhn: speaking of that, the Enus linden office hours for PyOGP is at 9:30 if anyone is a Python programmer
• [9:24] Periapse Linden: But on Monday's huddle we'll prolly go over the outstanding issues.
• [9:24] Periapse Linden: any last questions today?
• [9:24] Perefim Cao: yes
• [9:24] Perefim Cao: got one
• [9:24] Perefim Cao: :D
• [9:25] Perefim Cao: if we are a gridnaught member on this then shoudln't we be one on aditi... cough beta viewer
• [9:25] Saijanai Kuhn: you have to log into aditi with the regular viewer and acept the invitation to the group
• [9:26] Perefim Cao: kk
• [9:26] Periapse Linden: perefim, yes, you should join the group on aditi as well
• [9:26] Perefim Cao: allright.
• [9:26] Periapse Linden: Sai is always faster...
• [9:26] Saijanai Kuhn: then you can get into the open grid with the beta viewr
• [9:26] Saijanai Kuhn: fastest spammer in the World
• [9:26] Periapse Linden:  :-)
• [9:26] Periapse Linden: Ok everyone. Have a great weekend. Don't reveal the location of Homeworld.
• [9:27] Saijanai Kuhn: homeworld...
• [9:27] Mirt Tenk: ty
• [9:27] Twa Hinkle: i just crashed on dahlia's sim.. i was in two places at once.. hmm.. not good
• [9:27] Saijanai Kuhn: I'll post thie transcript on the wiki, Peri, unless you want to
• [9:27] Periapse Linden: go ahead, Sai, thx
• [9:27] Saijanai Kuhn: and now, heading to the Pyogp/Enus office hours meeting
• [9:27] Periapse Linden: Pyogp huddle for all you pythoners
• [9:27] Saijanai Kuhn: cheers all
• [9:27] Strawberry Fride: meetings, meetings!
• [9:28] Periapse Linden: bye!
• [9:28] Mirt Tenk: take care
• [9:28] Strawberry Fride: enjoy the snakes
• [9:28] Saijanai Kuhn: OH, and IM me if you're interestied in helping design the new protocols. I do group invites for AW Groupies, the inworld group for the AWG
• [9:29] Dahlia Trimble: bye all :)