Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-01-21

This meeting was held on January 21st, 2010

Agenda

• Discuss resolution of previous open items.
• Updates
  • No meeting next week. (1/28/10)
  • 1.36.0 is on ADITI now.
    • bug list: https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&type=1&pid=10002&version=10568&sorter/field=issuekey&sorter/order=DESC
  • The ADITI status page
    • http://bit.ly/ADITI_notes
  • The ADITI sim version tracker
    • http://aditi.99k.org/ADITI/aditi_sims.php
    • Is this working well? Has anyone used it?
• Releases
  • 1.36.0 is live on ADITI
  • https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Beta_Server/1.36
• Any other business
  • Create a Portal on the Web site to automatically update your account info In ADITI i.e(Inventory,password,and friends)
    • Have a list of authorized users?
    • allow them to inv transfer on demand?
  • Avatar Scripts are counting on the land even when scripts in about land are disabled
    • talk to babbage. :-) __Oskar

Meeting Minutes

• Talked about 1.36.1
  • mono issues
  • estate ban stuffs

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for January 21st, 2010:

List of Attendees

• Another Hax
• Avatar Scripts
• Cerise Sorbet
• Chieron Tenk
• copy me
• Drew Dwi
• Eddi Decosta
• Holger Gilruth
• Kaluura Boa
• Lares Carter
• Liisa Runo
• Lil Linden
• Malarthi Behemoth
• MartinRJ Fayray
• Melfina Marshdevil
• message appears
• Opensource Obscure
• Oskar Linden
• Ovaltine Constantine
• People getting
• Psi Merlin
• Ratchet Xevion
• Rezzing Mono
• Richard Untermeyer
• s Google
• sensory Hax
• Sim Logger
• SuesseMaus Hotaling
• Veron Helstein
• You paid

Transcript

[14:59]	Oskar Linden:	hi everyone
[14:59]	Oskar Linden:	heh
[14:59]	Holger Gilruth:	Hi Oscar :)
[14:59]	Holger Gilruth:	I will log the chat again ok?
[14:59]	Oskar Linden:	all I know of french is Je suis un chaud lapin
[15:00]	Oskar Linden:	thanks holger
[15:00]	Psi Merlin:	Hi Oskar, Lii and everyone
[15:00]	Eddi Decosta:	dont boot me in 4000m oskar LOL
[15:00]	Oskar Linden	takes a deep breath and then sips coffee
[15:00]	Drew Dwi:	whew, got my head back xD
[15:01]	Oskar Linden:	thanks everyone for coming
[15:01]	Lil Linden:	indeed. Nice crowd today :)
[15:01]	Oskar Linden:	yeah
[15:01]	Oskar Linden:	this is great
[15:01]	Oskar Linden:	ok
[15:01]	Holger Gilruth:	really?
[15:01]	Oskar Linden:	here is our agenda
[15:01]	Oskar Linden:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours #Agenda
[15:02]	Oskar Linden:	I'm gonna add this link
[15:02]	Oskar Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&type=1&pid=10002&version=10568&sorter /field=issuekey&sorter/order=DESC
[15:02]	Oskar Linden:	can everyone see that?
[15:02]	Oskar Linden:	it's just a list of current 1.36 bugs
[15:02]	Melfina Marshdevil	waits for her firefox.....
[15:02]	Drew Dwi:	shows 3
[15:02]	Oskar Linden:	that looks like all we have
[15:03]	Oskar Linden:	I just wanted to make sure I made that link public access
[15:03]	Holger Gilruth:	yes its viewable
[15:03]	Veron Helstein:	yep
[15:03]	Oskar Linden:	cool
[15:03]	Oskar Linden:	so first item is discussion of previously open items
[15:04]	Oskar Linden:	SVC-4632 is on the ilst of open items
[15:04]	People getting	past Estate and Land bans
[15:04]	Drew Dwi:	that repro good enough?
[15:04]	Oskar Linden:	I believe there is a fix for that going into server next month
[15:04]	Oskar Linden:	it wasn't ready for 1.36
[15:04]	Drew Dwi:	yikes ok, better late than never ^^
[15:05]	Oskar Linden:	true
[15:05]	Melfina Marshdevil:	yes its quite the annoying issue
[15:05]	Oskar Linden:	it really comes down to when fixes are given to QA
[15:05]	Oskar Linden:	for sanity sake we have to have code freezes
[15:05]	Drew Dwi	nods
[15:05]	Oskar Linden:	it is an important fix and we realise that
[15:05]	Oskar Linden:	it just wasn't ready for the 1.36.0 train
[15:05]	Veron Helstein:	is it true that land-bans are enforced on client-side?
[15:06]	Oskar Linden:	I don't think so Veron
[15:06]	Oskar Linden:	but there is some weird route that allows people past land bans
[15:06]	Drew Dwi:	that would be... scary
[15:06]	Melfina Marshdevil:	is it that a method of sim entry isnt checked?
[15:06]	Oskar Linden:	as a rule we don't trust the client
[15:06]	Oskar Linden:	but there are still some legacy things that get through
[15:07]	Oskar Linden:	everything the client says or does needs server validation
[15:07]	Holger Gilruth:	better is :)
[15:07]	Veron Helstein:	ah ok, so the one who told be that was wrong ...
[15:07]	Oskar Linden:	'bugs' are always possible
[15:07]	Oskar Linden:	but I am pretty sure that in that case the validation is done server side
[15:08]	Eddi Decosta:	especialy with windows :p
[15:08]	Oskar Linden:	but some viewers can do other stuff that is borderline mischevious
[15:08]	Cerise Sorbet:	little stuff like no fly is client side so it can be confusing
[15:08]	Oskar Linden:	we just have to answer with better code :-)
[15:08]	Melfina Marshdevil:	as you get my *winks* region online and patch out. I'll be checking that.
[15:08]	Oskar Linden:	the no fly stuff amuses me
[15:08]	Malarthi Behemoth	was banned from a sim for hacking
[15:09]	Malarthi Behemoth:	Because I flew
[15:09]	Drew Dwi:	xD
[15:09]	Oskar Linden:	Malarthi!! :-)
[15:09]	Holger Gilruth:	loool
[15:09]	Holger Gilruth:	you are a big hacker :)
[15:09]	Oskar Linden:	I got banned from a sim once
[15:09]	Veron Helstein	flüstert: *g*
[15:09]	Oskar Linden:	my first week as a linden
[15:09]	Melfina Marshdevil:	you could have a script check to see if your flying and tp home.
[15:09]	Oskar Linden:	the owner had a script that auto banned under 1 week accounts
[15:09]	Holger Gilruth:	Visit me Oskar you can get the feeling again :)
[15:09]	Oskar Linden:	I IM'd him and was like "really dude?"
[15:09]	Oskar Linden:	he freaked out
[15:09]	Malarthi Behemoth:	Nice going
[15:09]	Oskar Linden:	and then wrote in a rule to not ban lindens
[15:09]	Eddi Decosta:	loll
[15:10]	Lares Carter:	hehe
[15:10]	Oskar Linden:	heh
[15:10]	Veron Helstein:	hihi
[15:10]	Malarthi Behemoth:	That's odd
[15:10]	Oskar Linden:	anyways...
[15:10]	Drew Dwi	hums and digs up his noob blocker script... to write a new exempt >.>
[15:10]	Oskar Linden:	I will let you guys know when 1.36.1 is out and ready to look at
[15:10]	Oskar Linden:	I'm sure you guys will have lots of things to help test that out
[15:10]	Holger Gilruth:	i hope you restart my region with the new server version :)
[15:10]	Melfina Marshdevil:	ohhh yes
[15:10]	Oskar Linden:	some of the mono issues are getting fixed in 1.36.1 also
[15:11]	Ovaltine Constantine:	Some?
[15:11]	Oskar Linden:	well not all
[15:11]	Oskar Linden:	then babbage would retire
[15:11]	Veron Helstein:	*g*
[15:11]	Melfina Marshdevil:	job security huh?
[15:11]	Oskar Linden:	I didn't say that
[15:11]	Oskar Linden:	:-)
[15:11]	Oskar Linden:	I don't have the jira handy
[15:12]	Oskar Linden:	ok. on to other open items
[15:12]	Ovaltine Constantine:	Will people be able to wear attachments with Mono scripts without taking 20 hundred seconds to TP?
[15:12]	Oskar Linden:	Rudas is writing me a new login page
[15:12]	Oskar Linden:	hopefully ovaltine
[15:12]	Cerise Sorbet:	oh good so we won't have to wait for 1.38 on that one? yay
[15:12]	Oskar Linden:	The login page for aditi now still talksa bout havok 4 testing
[15:12]	Oskar Linden:	*sigh*
[15:13]	Oskar Linden:	the procedure for updating that page is tedious
[15:13]	Another Hax:	/=]
[15:13]	Lil Linden:	I believe SVC-3895 is the mono fix for 1.36.1
[15:13]	Rezzing Mono	scripted object cripples sim FPS
[15:13]	Oskar Linden:	so I'm having them strip the content out and let me update it dynamically
[15:13]	Oskar Linden:	hopefully I will be able to use that page as a live daily status page
[15:14]	Oskar Linden:	I haven't been too good about updating the MOTD
[15:14]	Oskar Linden:	but I did this morning :-)
[15:14]	Oskar Linden:	not sure if you guys even see that
[15:14]	Melfina Marshdevil:	I didn't notice
[15:14]	Opensource Obscure:	i do
[15:14]	Oskar Linden:	:-)
[15:14]	Lil Linden	noticed, and tips his hat to Oskar the MOTD Master
[15:14]	Melfina Marshdevil:	[14:19:51] MOTD: 1.36.0 is deployed to ADITI. All testing is GREEN for GO. http://bit.ly/ADITI_notes
[15:14]	Oskar Linden:	yeah
[15:14]	Holger Gilruth:	yeah straight after 1 week :)
[15:14]	Oskar Linden:	I've been trying to use that page to hold more immediate statuses
[15:15]	Psi Merlin:	Yes- saw the MOTD on the way in.
[15:15]	Oskar Linden:	hrm... I should link it to my new sims page
[15:16]	Oskar Linden:	ok done
[15:16]	Oskar Linden:	Lil and I have moved over a few private regions for testing on 1.36
[15:16]	Oskar Linden:	I do not have a page set up
[15:16]	Oskar Linden:	but I will take requests in notecards on AGNI
[15:16]	Oskar Linden:	we don't have a lot of spares
[15:16]	Oskar Linden:	but can accomodate some requests
[15:17]	Oskar Linden:	there are some tricky bits to copying regions over, but lil is getting good at it
[15:17]	Melfina Marshdevil	nods
[15:17]	Holger Gilruth:	oh you have limited numbers of regions you can update to a specific version?
[15:17]	Oskar Linden:	yes
[15:17]	Oskar Linden:	totally depends on open hardware
[15:17]	Oskar Linden:	we are running at max right now
[15:17]	Melfina Marshdevil:	so the beta region sims are hosted seperately?
[15:18]	Holger Gilruth:	my region is allready here
[15:18]	Oskar Linden:	well they may technically be in the same data center
[15:18]	Oskar Linden:	but yes
[15:18]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	hello :D
[15:18]	Oskar Linden:	separate hardware
[15:18]	Melfina Marshdevil:	one thing I was trying to figure out if the agni sim can coexist on aditi
[15:18]	Oskar Linden:	coexist?
[15:18]	Melfina Marshdevil:	I dont wanna do a region copy if it kills the agni one
[15:18]	Oskar Linden:	Morris is here and on AGNI
[15:18]	Oskar Linden:	so yes
[15:18]	Holger Gilruth:	lol
[15:19]	Holger Gilruth:	melfina its the same with your inventory
[15:19]	Malarthi Behemoth	giggles at the griefing potential
[15:19]	Oskar Linden:	there are weird crossovers though that you need to be careful for
[15:19]	Oskar Linden:	voice will broadcast to both grids
[15:19]	Oskar Linden:	if we use voice here they can hear it on morris in agni
[15:19]	Melfina Marshdevil:	o.o;
[15:19]	Drew Dwi:	o.O
[15:19]	Oskar Linden:	so be careful what you say
[15:19]	Melfina Marshdevil:	Thats fairly interesting....
[15:20]	Oskar Linden:	if you are even on agni and hear ghost lindens talking
[15:20]	Oskar Linden:	now you know why
[15:20]	Malarthi Behemoth:	Oh that is AWESOME
[15:20]	Holger Gilruth:	hehe great to know for griefing
[15:20]	Oskar Linden:	shhh!
[15:20]	Drew Dwi:	haha
[15:20]	Veron Helstein:	lol
[15:20]	Drew Dwi:	you wouldn't know they were lindens, just ghosts
[15:20]	Oskar Linden	puts a note in Drew's account
[15:20]	Melfina Marshdevil:	no worries your secrets are safe here.
[15:20]	Drew Dwi:	I didn't do it
[15:20]	Oskar Linden:	ok ok so on with the agenda
[15:21]	Oskar Linden:	ok it looks like somebody put soething in the wrong section on the agenda
[15:21]	Oskar Linden:	let me fix that
[15:21]	Holger Gilruth:	:)
[15:21]	Oskar Linden:	ok I moved new stuff to the any other business section
[15:22]	Oskar Linden:	biggest thing to tell you is that there will most probably be no meeting next week
[15:22]	Oskar Linden:	LL is having a party. :-)
[15:22]	Opensource Obscure:	oh!
[15:22]	Melfina Marshdevil:	Can we get invited?
[15:22]	Drew Dwi:	i heard about that
[15:22]	Oskar Linden:	aww no public invotes
[15:22]	sensory Hax:	ic pass
[15:22]
[15:22]	Drew Dwi:	lotta lindens in one place :P
[15:22]	Oskar Linden:	so sad I know
[15:22]	sensory Hax:	lool
[15:22]
[15:22]	Kaluura Boa:	A party for the release of viewer 2.0?
[15:22]	Oskar Linden:	no
[15:23]	Veron Helstein:	lets hope
[15:23]	Oskar Linden:	there is that party
[15:23]	Oskar Linden:	also
[15:23]	Oskar Linden:	on friday I think
[15:23]	Holger Gilruth:	when not open public why not change name to Holger Linden?
[15:23]	Oskar Linden	points you to the employment page
[15:23]	Oskar Linden:	so I'm pretty sure I won't be here
[15:23]	Holger Gilruth:	they are rassists, they dont want germans :)
[15:23]	Veron Helstein:	sagt wer? :)
[15:24]	Oskar Linden:	we have plenty of germans
[15:24]	Holger Gilruth:	no one is living in germany
[15:24]	Drew Dwi:	this is random, can anyone see what comes after -> :o
[15:24]	Oskar Linden:	we can only live where we have offices
[15:24]	Another Hax:	if(!skill)deny_request(applicant);
[15:24]	Holger Gilruth:	say a member of a virtual business :)
[15:24]	Oskar Linden:	nice script Another
[15:25]	Malarthi Behemoth	just realized class is at 4
[15:25]	Oskar Linden:	next on the agenda is 1.36.0 which is her elike you all know already
[15:25]	Malarthi Behemoth	runs like the wind
[15:25]	Malarthi Behemoth:	Bye all!
[15:25]	Oskar Linden:	later Mal
[15:25]	Oskar Linden:	poor kid
[15:25]	Oskar Linden:	heh
[15:25]	Oskar Linden:	I just see his excuse to the teacher
[15:25]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	xD
[15:26]	Drew Dwi:	"i was at the beta grid meeting"
[15:26]	Oskar Linden:	has anyone had a chance to verify the publicly filed jira's?
[15:26]	Oskar Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&type=1&pid=10002&version=10568&sorter /field=issuekey&sorter/order=DESC
[15:26]	Oskar Linden:	we know about the L$ one
[15:27]	Oskar Linden:	I'll try and get someone on it internally
[15:27]	Oskar Linden:	next week is gonna be a slow one for us
[15:27]	Drew Dwi:	hmm
[15:27]	Oskar Linden:	but if anyone wanted to test those bugs and see if they are new to 1.36 or if they exist in 1.34 it would help out
[15:27]	Drew Dwi:	SVC-5278 doesn't repro for me
[15:27]	message appears	where th L$ value is when I log into Aditi
[15:28]	Drew Dwi:	too bad they didn't note their client version
[15:28]	Kaluura Boa:	It was so last week, not today
[15:28]	Cerise Sorbet	has loading.... right now :p
[15:28]	Holger Gilruth:	i have the same with emerald at the moment
[15:28]	Kaluura Boa:	...for me
[15:28]	Lares Carter:	i get SVC-5278 everytime i login to an 1.34 region
[15:28]	Oskar Linden:	ok
[15:29]	Oskar Linden:	has anyone used the sim version tracker?
[15:29]	Oskar Linden:	http://aditi.99k.org/ADITI/aditi_sims.php
[15:29]	Oskar Linden:	I'm just wondering if it is handy to have
[15:29]	Lares Carter:	yes, i used it. still would be nice to add slurls to it ;)
[15:29]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	thats good tracker xD
[15:30]	Drew Dwi	bookmarks
[15:30]	Oskar Linden:	I will try to get to that today
[15:30]	Cerise Sorbet:	yes we are using it in svc-5278 to point people at good sims
[15:30]	Oskar Linden:	bookmarks? for what? :-)
[15:30]	Oskar Linden:	awesome
[15:31]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	i check this sims next time ;)
[15:31]	s Google	Translator: i check this sims next time;)
[15:31]	Oskar Linden:	if you have a private region that you would like to be logged in that tracker grab a copy of the tower here and put it 1 per sim
[15:31]	Oskar Linden:	that tower is copyable
[15:31]	Drew Dwi:	I assume you mean a private region which already exists on the beta grid?
[15:31]	Oskar Linden:	yes
[15:31]	Melfina Marshdevil:	is not
[15:32]	Oskar Linden:	it's not copyable?
[15:32]	Ratchet Xevion:	its not copyable lol
[15:32]	Holger Gilruth:	not for nonlindens :)
[15:32]	Sim Logger:	Last status code was 200 Last successful update was 472s ago
[15:32]	Drew Dwi:	new bug :P
[15:32]	Oskar Linden:	I marked it as Allow anyone to copy
[15:32]	Oskar Linden:	hrm...
[15:32]	Melfina Marshdevil:	new bug LOL
[15:32]	Drew Dwi:	i've noticed in the past that objects marked anyone can copy
[15:32]	Drew Dwi:	especially very old objects
[15:32]	Drew Dwi:	can no longer be copied
[15:32]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	can not copy this xD
[15:32]	Oskar Linden:	alright Melfina you follow that rabbit hole, see where it goes and file the bug
[15:32]	Cerise Sorbet:	maybe perms on the innards?
[15:32]	Lil Linden:	I love how everyone's got dots going to the giant obelisk
[15:33]	Drew Dwi:	but no repro
[15:33]	Holger Gilruth:	maybe because its set to only transfer?
[15:33]	sensory Hax:	as original
[15:33]
[15:33]	Oskar Linden:	I have next owner set to transfer only
[15:33]	Oskar Linden:	but you should still be able to take a copy
[15:33]	Holger Gilruth:	try it :) with copy
[15:33]	Oskar Linden:	ok
[15:34]	Oskar Linden:	does that work?
[15:34]	Opensource Obscure:	no.
[15:34]	Drew Dwi:	no joy
[15:34]	sensory Hax:	nope
[15:34]
[15:34]	Melfina Marshdevil:	went into haxed god mode
[15:34]	Melfina Marshdevil:	[15:33:57] You cannot copy your selection because you do not have permission to copy the object 'Sim Logger'.
[15:34]	Oskar Linden:	*sigh*
[15:34]	Oskar Linden:	let me try for sale
[15:34]	Opensource Obscure:	rudas lindenby the way if it would possible i'd like to watch at code to learn .. but i guess this is not the case
[15:34]	Oskar Linden:	ok a copy is now for sale
[15:34]	Holger Gilruth:	the question is was this a creator who developed this design of the tower?
[15:35]	Opensource Obscure:	ignore 'rudas linden'. copy'n'paste fail.
[15:35]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	can not buy this
[15:35]	s Google	Translator: diese kann man nicht kaufen
[15:35]	Drew Dwi:	10L imma go broke :P
[15:35]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	money is loading
[15:35]	Oskar Linden:	some of you are buying it
[15:35]	Holger Gilruth:	lol can you give me 10 please my money is not loading
[15:35]	Holger Gilruth:	hahahaha
[15:35]	Veron Helstein:	cannot buy, my Money is still loading, like in that jira there :)
[15:35]	Another Hax:	All inventory content must be allow anyone to copy
[15:35]	sensory Hax:	done
[15:35]	Kaluura Boa:	10 L$! Damn!
[15:35]
[15:35]	Lares Carter:	cant buy, because of SVC-5278 :P
[15:35]	sensory Hax:	lool
[15:35]
[15:35]	Oskar Linden	paid you L$20.
[15:35]	Veron Helstein:	merci
[15:35]	Oskar Linden:	now everyone is gonna rez it here
[15:35]	Melfina Marshdevil:	hey oskar how much does it take to get some lindens here?
[15:35]	Oskar Linden:	*sigh*
[15:36]	You paid	Oskar Linden L$10 for Sim Logger.
[15:36]	Oskar Linden:	you want some melfina?
[15:36]	Melfina Marshdevil:	sure I wanna feel rich xD
[15:36]	Kaluura Boa:	Parcel is full
[15:36]	Drew Dwi:	hmm
[15:36]	Oskar Linden:	the web app is gonna know for sure this region is up
[15:36]	Oskar Linden:	with like 5 towers reporting
[15:36]	Lares Carter:	hehe
[15:36]	Melfina Marshdevil:	haha
[15:36]	You paid	Oskar Linden L$20.
[15:36]	Lil Linden:	it will probably crash the app :p
[15:36]	Oskar Linden:	I'm UP!!!
[15:36]	Oskar Linden:	no I'm UP!!
[15:36]	Oskar Linden:	ok so buying works
[15:36]	Lil Linden:	you will be beta testing oskar's php :)
[15:37]	Oskar Linden:	but not taking a copy
[15:37]	Holger Gilruth:	now money is loading finished
[15:37]	Drew Dwi	stumbles upon a bug
[15:37]	Oskar Linden:	if someone wants to look into the no copy bug and file it I would be grateful
[15:37]	Oskar Linden	looks at eddi
[15:37]	Oskar Linden:	:-)
[15:37]	Holger Gilruth:	hehe
[15:37]	Oskar Linden:	eddi is a bug filing pro
[15:38]	Melfina Marshdevil:	ohh I have a burning question.
[15:38]	Lares Carter:	i think what Another said is the reason it did not work: [15:35] Another Hax: All inventory content must be allow anyone to copy
[15:38]	Oskar Linden:	my version of the sim logger was this sleek black obelisk
[15:38]	Oskar Linden:	maestro's was a bit different
[15:38]	Melfina Marshdevil:	is script limits coming to aditi first and soon?
[15:38]	Another Hax:	Like i said.. it did not allow 'anyonje to copy' as you didnt have the script set to 'allow anyone to copy'
[15:39]	Another Hax:	*
[15:39]	Oskar Linden:	his was that banana
[15:39]	Oskar Linden:	aha Another
[15:39]	Oskar Linden:	*sigh* so many layers to premissions
[15:39]	Oskar Linden:	makes my ears bleed
[15:39]	Melfina Marshdevil:	turn off permissions then :P
[15:39]	Oskar Linden:	:-p
[15:40]	Oskar Linden:	so but buying it with the same permissions works?
[15:40]	Holger Gilruth:	oskar the problem is the following
[15:40]	Holger Gilruth:	the object is nomod so i cant edit and change the allow anyone to copy its fixed.
[15:40]	Holger Gilruth:	But i am not allowed to copy next
[15:41]	Holger Gilruth:	i would have a object buyed
[15:41]	Holger Gilruth:	and cant place it because anyone can steal it
[15:41]
[15:41]	Oskar Linden:	how about that tube
[15:41]	Oskar Linden:	can you all copy it?
[15:42]	Holger Gilruth:	yes
[15:42]	Holger Gilruth:	sure
[15:42]	Melfina Marshdevil:	yes
[15:42]	MartinRJ Fayray:	yes
[15:42]	Lares Carter:	jup
[15:42]	Oskar Linden:	kk
[15:42]	Ratchet Xevion:	yup, it came up as no copy no modify
[15:42]	Another Hax:	Can't have 'allow anyone to copy' and no trans
[15:42]	Lares Carter:	tube invasion!
[15:42]	copy me	tube: Hello, Avatar!
[15:42]	Chieron Tenk:	yes, but loses perms of course
[15:42]	Holger Gilruth:	yes you loose the perms allow anyone to copy
[15:42]	Oskar Linden:	and now can you all copy the tower?
[15:43]	Melfina Marshdevil:	taking a copy should have the same effects as buying a copy for free
[15:43]	Kaluura Boa:	It works now
[15:43]	Lares Carter:	jup, got a copy of it
[15:43]	Chieron Tenk:	copied
[15:43]	Oskar Linden:	kk
[15:43]	Melfina Marshdevil:	got one
[15:43]	Ratchet Xevion:	yeah, i got a copy
[15:43]	Richard Untermeyer:	yup
[15:43]	Ratchet Xevion:	so I want my L$10 back lol
[15:43]	Oskar Linden:	problem solved: operator error
[15:43]	Oskar Linden:	sorry ratchet
[15:43]	Oskar Linden:	it only goes one way
[15:43]	Drew Dwi:	yea, refund of our fake $L
[15:43]	Oskar Linden:	:-p
[15:44]	MartinRJ Fayray:	hahah
[15:44]	Oskar Linden	refunds all your accounts... fakely
[15:44]	Drew Dwi:	ahh isn't he sneaky
[15:44]	Oskar Linden:	ok, so on to Any Other Business
[15:44]	Oskar Linden:	whose was this?
[15:44]	Oskar Linden:	Create a Portal on the Web site to automatically update your account info In ADITI i.e(Inventory,password,and friends)
[15:45]	Oskar Linden:	no one?
[15:45]	Melfina Marshdevil:	sounds like a great idea
[15:45]	Oskar Linden:	anyone know what it means?
[15:45]	Oskar Linden:	oh I see what you mean
[15:45]	Kaluura Boa:	No need to ask to you any more...
[15:45]	Melfina Marshdevil:	I'm guessing it means you can copy your agni data to aditi at any time.
[15:45]	Oskar Linden:	we've tossed the idea around before
[15:45]	Another Hax:	Any Other Business, means i can ask >> Script (memory) limits, hint when? middle of year.. end of year..
[15:45]	Oskar Linden:	I decided that I would be the gatekeeper for the time being
[15:45]	Melfina Marshdevil:	YES
[15:46]	Melfina Marshdevil:	when is it going to happen and will aditi be the first preview for it?
[15:46]	Oskar Linden:	I'm a little protective of ADITI
[15:46]	Melfina Marshdevil:	script limits*
[15:46]	Oskar Linden:	and I like people asking me to get transfers
[15:46]	Oskar Linden:	it takes almost no time
[15:46]	Oskar Linden:	if it gets out of hand I'll think about automating it
[15:46]	Kaluura Boa:	Seriously, couldn't it justbe automated?
[15:46]	Oskar Linden:	but for the time being. just ask me :-)
[15:46]	Liisa Runo:	(let my ALT's "LSL Scientist" and "SandBox Scientist" come to this grid plz)
[15:47]	Another Hax:	Good idea, having up2date inventory here is paramount to effective testing
[15:47]	Oskar Linden:	msg me on AGNI with that request Liisa and I will
[15:47]	Liisa Runo:	okie
[15:47]	Oskar Linden:	I'll put some more thought into it
[15:47]	Kaluura Boa:	=^_^=
[15:48]	Oskar Linden:	so it's mostly just inv transers that you want done promptly right?
[15:48]	Melfina Marshdevil:	yes
[15:48]	Another Hax	nods
[15:48]	Liisa Runo:	i cant even log in to this grid
[15:48]	Liisa Runo:	with ALT
[15:48]	Oskar Linden:	what I am hoping to avoid are all residents being able to pop over to exploit things that have been patched on AGNI
[15:49]	Oskar Linden:	right now I get to give the accounts a once over before I clear them for transfer
[15:49]	Oskar Linden:	but if I had a list of 'authorized' users I could let them update their invs
[15:49]	Oskar Linden:	I'll see what we can do
[15:49]	MartinRJ Fayray	nods
[15:50]	Melfina Marshdevil:	well couldnt you have the automated process do the once over for you... but an authorized list seems good to prevent exploitation
[15:50]	Oskar Linden:	the onceover is subjective
[15:50]	Oskar Linden:	I just look through abuse reports and support logs
[15:50]	Oskar Linden:	sometimes I refuse requests if the account has a shady history
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	it's subjective though
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	and subjective automation never works well
[15:51]	Another Hax:	as people change also
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	true
[15:51]	Holger Gilruth:	can you tell how many ARs someone got :)
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	and I have made exceptions
[15:51]	Kaluura Boa:	Hoooo... My inv won't be updated... My neighbors hate me and reported me 3 times already
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	we can tell everything Holger
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	<_<
[15:51]	Holger Gilruth:	make a top10 of the lindens with the most ar
[15:51]	MartinRJ Fayray:	lol
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	I'd be at the top
[15:51]	Melfina Marshdevil:	haha
[15:51]	Oskar Linden:	>.<
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	actually probably not
[15:52]	Melfina Marshdevil	ARs Oskar for bring "too cool"
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	it'd be someone in support
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	or governor linden
[15:52]	Lares Carter:	btw: http://secondlife.com/support/incidentreport.php isnt working for like 2 week i think
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	don't ar me anymore
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	support can't take the joke
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	seriously
[15:52]	Holger Gilruth:	AR me no problem
[15:52]	Another Hax:	the gov, as thatas who you report if an account is no longer active~ griefers
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	I once joked that support gave me a beer for every AR I got filed against me
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	people filed a TON
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	I had a talking to
[15:52]	Oskar Linden:	*sigh*
[15:52]	Kaluura Boa:	=^_^=
[15:53]	Holger Gilruth:	loool and friday the party?
[15:53]	Melfina Marshdevil	ouch
[15:53]	Liisa Runo:	haha, yea, Kaluura got reported for spamming, he sends a message in non-zero-channel once a minute, and his neighbors with broken device that dont filter messages reported him for spamming,
[15:53]	Chieron Tenk:	yay -_-
[15:53]	Oskar Linden:	heh
[15:53]	Oskar Linden:	ok, so the last item of the day
[15:53]	Oskar Linden:	[ http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-3807 Avatar Scripts are counting on the land even when scripts in about land are disabled]
[15:53]	Avatar Scripts	are counting on the land even when scripts in about land are disabled
[15:53]	Oskar Linden:	who added that?
[15:53]	Eddi Decosta:	last item?
[15:53]	Holger Gilruth:	I was the person
[15:54]	Oskar Linden:	ok
[15:54]	Holger Gilruth:	and placed wrong place in wiki
[15:54]	Oskar Linden:	lessee what we have here
[15:54]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	can any vote fore my http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SEC-567
[15:54]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	xD
[15:54]	s Google	Translator: kann jede Abstimmung daher meine http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SEC-567
[15:54]	Oskar Linden:	this would be something to talk to babbage about
[15:54]	s Google	Translator: xD
[15:54]	Oskar Linden:	I don't have an answer for you
[15:55]	Kaluura Boa:	Can't see SEC...
[15:55]	Kaluura Boa:	Can't vote
[15:55]	Holger Gilruth:	when its true it makes no sence to disable scripts for performance
[15:55]	Melfina Marshdevil:	yeah its a SEC issue
[15:55]	Melfina Marshdevil:	scripts and getting disabled never seems to go well
[15:55]	Oskar Linden:	ok guys, I've covered all I'm going to cover
[15:55]	SuesseMaus Hotaling:	i have posting this,this was yesterday a big problem
[15:55]	Liisa Runo:	cant you just remove access for people not in group? removing scripts have about the same effect anyway, no one like to be in no-script area, exept if they know how to get scripts running in no-script, and if they some day stop running there, people dont want to be there
[15:55]	Oskar Linden:	we've got five minutes to do whatever the hell we want
[15:56]	Melfina Marshdevil:	no info on script limits oskar and testing that?
[15:56]	Another Hax:	script limits babbages domain also?
[15:56]	Oskar Linden:	anything script related is babbage
[15:56]	Oskar Linden:	I can only tell you when it's making it into a release
[15:56]	Oskar Linden:	and it's not in 1.36 sooooo :-)
[15:57]	Holger Gilruth:	liisa its set to not allow scripts for people not in group but that doesnt lower the scripttime
[15:57]	Another Hax:	k.. well looking forward to having up2date inventory.. see a form for applying to your list of trusted peoples soon willwe? =]
[15:57]	Melfina Marshdevil:	so hows my region copy as a last question :D
[15:57]	Liisa Runo:	okie
[15:57]	Oskar Linden:	msg me on AGNI and I can get your inv updated here k?
[15:57]	Another Hax:	will do
[15:58]	Richard Untermeyer:	when is SL 2.0 public beta likely to be out?
[15:58]	Oskar Linden:	well ladies and gentlemen thanks for coming!!
[15:58]	Opensource Obscure:	february.
[15:58]	Oskar Linden:	next month Richard?
[15:58]	Oskar Linden:	maybe? I'm not sure
[15:58]	Opensource Obscure:	https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2010/01/21/coming-soon-viewer-2-public-beta
[15:58]	Richard Untermeyer:	ok thanks
[15:58]	Oskar Linden:	soooooon :-)
[15:58]	Richard Untermeyer:	hehe
[15:59]	Melfina Marshdevil:	alright oskar everything seems awesome then.
[15:59]	Richard Untermeyer:	thanks Oskar, all
[15:59]	Eddi Decosta:	LOL

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