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= Transcript =
= Transcript =
Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for July 29th, 2010:
Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for July 29th, 2010:
* [15:00] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  hi guys
* [15:00] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  Maestro :)
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  hi oskar
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  hi maestro
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  eheh
* [15:00] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]:  Hi Oskar, Maestro
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  today is a "moy loon office"?
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  :)))
* [15:00] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  Moy, Oskar is asking you gently to stand up
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  I have C4 if you need
* [15:00] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  take a copy of the object, Oskar
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  :)
* [15:01] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  that will make Moy stand up
* [15:01] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]:  :)
* [15:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  meh
* [15:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  good enough
* [15:02] [[User:Entering god|Entering god]]:  mode, level 200
* [15:02] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  hmmm
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there we go
* [15:02] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  Maestro Linden added a comment - 29/Jul/10 01:27 PM
* Oskar's cat was tap dancing on his keyboard and somehow changed 'fixed version' to 1.42.
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  T_T
* [15:03] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  :D
* [15:03] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  What did break now?
* [15:03] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  that makes me wonder what kind of pets Alexa keeps
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there we go
* [15:04] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  so 1.4 is finaly live :-)
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  moy is in his proper place so we can begin
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  SHAMUS!!!
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ^(&**(%
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  if you are calling it 1.4 on purpose I am going to smack you!
* [15:04] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  1.40
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you know I hate that :-D
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  <_<
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so 1.4 shipped and now we are working on 1.4
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-p
* [15:05] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  :o
* [15:05] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  haha
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we plan a 1.4 for next month
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and then 1.4 in october
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  perhaps 4 more 1.4's tjhis year
* [15:05] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  great, now you've gone and broken Oskar
* [15:05] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Well - at east we could drive trains across borders in 1.4
* [15:05] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  you can't stop progress
* [15:05] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  +l
* [15:06] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  1.5
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  here is the agenda
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours]
* [15:06] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  hi Simon
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  a lot to talk about today
* [15:06] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Hello
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we'll start with 1.40.4
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  breathes a deep sigh of relief
* [15:07] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  Hey!
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.40.4 is 100% on the grid
* [15:07] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!!!!
* [15:07] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  hello everybody
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  besides some 'elevated' issues ;-) it seems to be going quite we;;
* [15:08] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  Oskar, no. Linden regines are still on 1.38
* [15:08] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  Jack Linden office was still on 1.38. Something went amiss there.
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  fine
* [15:08] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  I did a check this morning, and there were 28 regions left on 1.38 ... looks like a few servers didn't get switched
* [15:08] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  oh yeah, a handful of regions somehow missed the roll
* [15:08] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  :-)
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  99.99999999% rolled
* [15:08] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  99.99999997%
* [15:09] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Maybe they didnt pay the rent
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but mostly things have been looking good
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the hiccups this morning were unrelated
* [15:10] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  Ah, What caused them then?
* [15:11] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  whant usaly causes them bad karma?
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I did't fiund out
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it could be anything
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  a critical switch melted
* [15:11] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  I heard something about network problems.
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or someone cute a fiber line outside of dallas
* [15:11] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  did you feed your cat?
* [15:11] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  Backhoe fade.
* [15:11] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  :-)
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or someone forgot to put enough deisel in some backup generator
* [15:11] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  the cat ate the mouse
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  anyways
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.40.4 looks good
* [15:12] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  how's 1.40.4 doing, crashrates adn all?
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but let us know if you see anything
* [15:12] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  wow, he reads my mind before i ask :P
* [15:12] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  i've noticed a slight change in havok 7
* [15:13] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Only the bugs reported already
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  monty identified the largest crashers and got fixes in place for 1.42 already right monty?
* [15:13] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  what's the ETA on 1.42?
* [15:13] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  yep
* [15:13] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  part of my make-work-for-simon strategy
* [15:13] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  i think avatar-object colisions start a little later, when the object is newly rezzed
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.42 could be just a couple more weeks
* [15:14] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  crash rate is equal to a bit better than 1.38.6
* [15:14] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  The 1.42 version here isn't complete, there are a few more things to merge together
* [15:14] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  we *should* be able to make significant progress there over the next few versions
* [15:14] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  is eager to see 1.42 deployed so I don't get that many bot related emails ;)
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so that brings me to the next issues
* [15:15] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  What's missing from 1.42, thats going to be added?
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.42 is on ADITI
* [15:15] [[User:Entering god|Entering god]]:  mode, level 200
* [15:15] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  A few more bug fixes
* [15:15] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  Still no HTTP textures?
* [15:15] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Well - yeah. I wasnt expecting meshes :)
* [15:15] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Simon, is AgentUpdate queue initialization in 1.42 as it is now
* [15:15] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  What bugs?
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  speaking of HTTP textures... :-)
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we're doing our last little deploy tests for a roll next week
* [15:16] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Latif - I'm not sure if it's in this build or not
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll message the group with some http texture enabled regions this week for verification testing
* [15:17] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  I can hardly wait...
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  makes a note to himself to ask lil
* [15:17] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  and to use http textures you need a snowglobe based view or 2.1?
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  a vwr 2 codebased snowglobe
* [15:18] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  grins "Going to see if I can somehow do a local http textrue cache. 1G cache size is not enought for SL."
* [15:18] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  2.0 can use http textures, but it's buried in the debug menu
* [15:18] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  there in the snowglobe 1.4 code right
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  simon, seems fixed
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  is ahern 1.40?
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  probably
* [15:18] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  lol
* [15:18] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  SHAMUS: I don't think it's in snowglobe 1.4. At least I asked Merov about that, and he wasn't aware of HTTP Textures being in that build (but it should be in Snowglobe 2.x)
* [15:19] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  ok
* [15:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  snowglobe 1.4 supports http textures somewhat
* [15:19] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  ah, for the world map?
* [15:19] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  ah
* [15:19] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  Yeah... It's supposed to work for the map already
* [15:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  for in world textres too
* [15:19] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  No, HTTP Get texture is in the Advance menu
* [15:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  it's just a bit buggy
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so once we have a few regions up here I'll message it out and you guys can poke at them this weekend
* [15:20] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Hm.. guess I can ask Merov if he's sure about it not being supported for general textures, heh.
* [15:20] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Techwolf, there is a debug setting for it
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ass for 1.42 I do not have release notes ready for you yet
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but I am working on getting them ready
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's mostly out of my hands
* [15:20] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  Latif, note the "," in my comment.
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so I am working on poking the people to get release notes ready
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's a pretty light release
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  no major new functionality
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  just bug fixes and tweaks
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  simon you have some enhanced region crossing code in right?
* [15:21] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Techwolf, my bad :)
* [15:21] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  yes, 1.42 has the threaded crossing parsing
* [15:21] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  I dont see an H7 bug fixes in 1.42 here
* [15:21] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  but we have to make sure it's turned on
* [15:22] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  does it make a big difference?
* [15:22] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  time will tell
* [15:22] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  It should reduce the lag others see when someone crosses or TPs into a region
* [15:22] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  duz thi mean i dont have to swim across simlines?
* [15:22] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  Are there at least 2 regions on 1.42 so we can test?
* [15:22] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  :o!
* [15:22] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  It's not a cure-all, however, as the mono script lag is still there
* [15:22] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  What about when avs leave the sim?
* [15:22] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  alright
* [15:22] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Let me check the switches, I suspect it's turned off on this grid right now...
* [15:22] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  yes the mono fix is despertly needed
* [15:23] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  whats the status on the moni update
* [15:23] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  That's in the works, I think it will be in 1.44 but am not certain
* [15:23] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  it has always been hard to test these things on aditi
* [15:24] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Kaluura: most of the regions on aditi are 1.42 (looks to be just over 100 regions)
* [15:24] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  low traffic, many region restarts ...
* [15:24] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  Good to know... I wasn't sure
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll get the official release notes out as soon as I can
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there will be a new 1.42.0 coming out once maestro gets the last code merge tested
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we might be able to try an early pilot roll to agni
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll be sure to let each of you know
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  shouldn't be too much to worry about in this release
* [15:26] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  sandbox test?
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  what do you mean lestat?
* [15:27] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  a pilot on a few sandboxes
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  of course
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and willing regions
* [15:27] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  most of the bugs get noticed in the sandboxes so i thought would be logical place to try
* [15:27] [[User:Liisa Runo|Liisa Runo]]:  LL boxes are almost always on the pilot
* [15:27] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yeah, get the big sandboxes on the pilot if they're not
* [15:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  btw. i noticed some regions on agni still running 1.38
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we know
* [15:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  (last checked 4 hrs ago)
* [15:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  ok
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :)
* [15:28] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Looks like the new crossing code is off here, I'll throw the switches after the office hours and turn them on
* [15:28] [[User:Liisa Runo|Liisa Runo]]:  thanks
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thx simon
* [15:28] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  Now, who has a wig with 200 resize scripts?
* [15:29] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  :)
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  not I
* [15:29] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  i have a few older av's with script in everty prium
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  looks at maestro
* [15:29] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  nice hair Maestro, it's a little small ...
* [15:30] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  can you resize it?
* [15:30] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  chuckles
* [15:30] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  indeed i an
* [15:30] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  can
* [15:30] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  wait a sec. not all scripts r created equal:)
* [15:30] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  heehee
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I love that hair maestro
* [15:30] [[User:Yuu Nakamichi|Yuu Nakamichi]]:  nice
* [15:30] [[User:Yuu Nakamichi|Yuu Nakamichi]]:  indeed
* [15:30] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  LSL sped drops to 30% during the resize
* [15:30] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  it's great for rez benchmarking hehe
* [15:30] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  wow
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so yeah. my notes in the 1.42 section of the wiki agenda are about all the specific info I have now
* [15:31] [[User:Liisa Runo|Liisa Runo]]:  i have full prim AV that has not only script in every prim, but a listen in every prim :P
* [15:31] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  wow
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yikes
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that reminds me
* [15:31] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  A lag bomb!
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there was this case I saw the other day
* [15:31] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  is this the right time and place to pimp my resizer:)
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  a woman kept rezzing and taking a large wig into inv
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  somehow it got stuck
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  wasn't rezzed or in inv
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but it was selected and counting against her parcel limits
* [15:32] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  Yeah, that's pretty common
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we were able to fix it
* [15:32] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  'lost on take' ?
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but couldn't determine how it got into that state exactly
* [15:32] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  u "fixed" the wig. haha
* [15:32] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  It happens when you can't delete/take it, because it failing to save to the asset server :o
* [15:33] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Used to get a few of them a month
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  if anyone sees anything like that and can repro it I'd like to see it
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hmm
* [15:33] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  It's commonly called 'ghosted' prims, usualy you just restart a sim to get rid of them
* [15:33] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Then it was at 1 a month
* [15:33] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  asset is not in database :P
* [15:33] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  However you can god delete them if you know the key of the object
* [15:33] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  but usually in that case, it should return the object inworld
* [15:33] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  It should, but doesn't =p
* [15:33] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Now is been one every few months, but there were 2 cases recently
* [15:33] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  It usualy always happens when there's asset issues though
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so the ghosted prims are always counting against the selected/sat upon number?
* [15:34] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  If there's say, 200 pending uploads, and it only does 30 of them, then the 170 would return back to the sim
* [15:34] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  But if it really does fail, and not time out, it would be in that 'ghosted' state
* [15:34] [[User:Liisa Runo|Liisa Runo]]:  for long time already, i have always taken a copy of the build, then when i see it in inventory i set the build temp. instead of normally taking the build
* [15:34] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  sadly sometimes u can't see them, nor can u select them:(
* [15:35] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Engines that have been 'lost on take' have totally vanished
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  anyway, if you find a way to reliably put an object into that state let me know
* [15:35] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  The 'take and it ghosts' I have not ween i na while
* [15:35] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  it always happens when the assetserver is sluggish
* [15:35] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  like yesterday
* [15:36] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  i noticed it took a long time to add objects to another objet's inventory
* [15:36] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Fortunatly is not 'reliable' if it was there wound be a riot
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so that brings us to TCMalloc
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  TCMalloc has been something we've worked on for a while but not had the qa cycles to get deployed
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we still really don't have the QA cycles to get it deployed
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so... we could use your help
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it falls squarely in the performance category of simulators
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  this is a page I put together about it https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/TCMalloc_Beta
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I've got 4 regions with it up right now
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  they are listed on that page
* [15:38] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  Are those sims still 1.34?
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'm looking for two things, I want to make sure nothing new is broken
* [15:38] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  goes off to crash them.....lololol
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and that load isn't any worse
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  they are newly merged moy
* [15:38] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  I was going to random sims, and I found a few TC malloc sims that are running a super old 1.34's
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there are 2 class 5's and 2 class 7's
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's all outlined in that wiki
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  a few private regions are tcmalloc as well
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but I wasn't a part of setting those up
* [15:39] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Any way to tell if a reagion has TCMalloc?
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  any questions about tcmalloc I can probably get answered
* [15:40] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  hey wasnt 1.34 havok 1?
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or you can ask kelly or babbage
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes kitto
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  go to that wiki page
* [15:40] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  1.34 is alot newer than h1
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  those regions have tcmalloc enabled
* [15:40] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  By many years =p
* [15:40] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  It does not mention the private regions
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  because they are private
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I guess you could go to the public one
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then pull the server version number
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then run around the grid and look for amtching numbers
* [15:41] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Ah ok
* [15:41] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  That works
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but I'm not sure why that would help\
* [15:41] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  So I can find out if it on Jaxx* regions
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the regions on it were asked to be on it
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  jaxx is not
* [15:42] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  if it turns out it on Jaxx I cant compare with the TCM... test regions
* [15:42] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  OK
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  do you want jaxx on it?
* [15:43] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  What kind of operateions is TCMalloc likely to change?
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  should be 100% transparent
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  perhaps monty or simon can give a more technical explanation
* [15:43] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Well if you want us to consider it being 100% transparent, theres no point in testing stuff, is there?
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there is a link to the project page in the wiki link I posted
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well there is
* [15:44] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  TCMalloc could potentially affect performance if things go wrong
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  if things that should work no longer work
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then there might be an issue
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you guys have a real great sense of when things aren't working right
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I already noticed that I think it takes tcmalloc enabled regions longer to come online
* [15:45] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Whats its main advantage? Just saving memory?
* [15:45] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  what might change: crash rate, rate of memory growth with rezzing/derez/tp/region crossing
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'm going to poke at that some more
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there are perfomance advantages
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and
* [15:45] [[User:Yuu Nakamichi|Yuu Nakamichi]]:  the wiki says it's mostly about the perftools
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the ability for us to do live profiling of performance
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  which we don't currently ahve
* [15:45] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  memory growth?
* [15:45] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  no. we have "things" that stop working at the wrong time that tell us when something is borked:)
* [15:45] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  do you grow your own memory?
* [15:46] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  first you leak some of it, and then it grows :P
* [15:46] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  :)
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we have a black market semi legal memory grow lab in a south asian island off the coast of malaysia
* [15:46] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  just like watering the garden ;)
* [15:46] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  i hope it's organic
* [15:47] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  organic pixle dust?
* [15:47] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  u "harvest" memory from live animals?
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the details aren't important ;-)
* [15:47] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  they do testing on live animals! (us lol) :P
* [15:48] [[User:Liisa Runo|Liisa Runo]]:  we still have topics on the agenda, lets move on
* [15:48] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  the results will be intersting :)
* [15:48] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  yes back to the adgenda
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  if you really want to know more about tcmalloc go to babbage or kelly's OH
* [15:48] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  ok
* [15:48] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  ahh. we r too advanced on the evolutionary ladder for peta to help us:)
* [15:48] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  babbage eh?
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but please take a chance to go out to the TMalloctest regions and do your worst
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and you can ask babbage why he spelled those regions wrong
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:48] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  somone should tell Oskar about reorg ;)
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  babbage is still here
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and babbage is the one to ask about tcmalloc
* [15:49] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  and not holding any OH
* [15:49] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Probably all dry land - theres no C in them
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  nice kitto
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  oh, no more OH's for babbage?
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hmm
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then ask kelly
* [15:50] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Kelly has OH recently, I believe
* [15:50] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Monday 9am
* [15:50] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  no, he said he got notice to find a new job in spetember and will not be holding any more OH
* [15:50] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  I though it was 9AM friday?
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then talk to kelly
* [15:51] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  kell oh 9am mondays
* [15:51] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  tech 9am mondays
* [15:51] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  cool
* [15:51] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that does it for my agenda
* [15:51] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  simon, monty, maestro? anything else?
* [15:52] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  nope
* [15:52] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  nope nothing in particular
* [15:52] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  just cannot overstate how important it is for people to jump on these regions
* [15:52] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  UploadBakedTexture is fixed in 1.42
* [15:52] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  though maybe not enabled by default (not sure)
* [15:52] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  I know we don't have enough people for combat sims, etc.
* [15:53] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  import a few griefers :)
* [15:53] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  honestly, I'd like to.
* [15:53] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Sorry, I've been afk as I was in another meeting on Agni :)
* [15:53] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Maybe I run 100 trains there :)
* [15:53] [[User:Liisa Runo|Liisa Runo]]:  it is summer holiday from school, all griefers are spending the summer in fatcamps
* [15:53] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  bounties for sim crashes
* [15:53] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  post a notice about that monty. either at swt or at rausch:)
* [15:53] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  chances to hit falcon with a stick
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  their parents enrolled them in summer school :-D
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  anyone else get starcraft 2 this week?
* [15:54] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  Yes
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yay
* [15:54] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  I was playing it during the meeting <_<
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  has not had a chance to play it yet
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  no wonder you were idle
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I kicked you from my chair
* [15:54] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  i heard that u had to wait years to have your restration online
* [15:55] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  I may "prite" it to check it out to see what all the buzz is about.
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  i have been quite tempted to play it this week
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but have had work to do :-(
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  is planning some lan parties in his new house :-D
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  anyone in the north of Seattle area? :-)
* [15:56] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  I'm right near by, Upstate NewYork!
* [15:56] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  60$ is not cheap at all
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it is not cheap at all!
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and I bought the collectors edition T_T
* [15:56] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Uh - thats 1bout 10 hrs drive away
* [15:56] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  or 100$ for collectors editon
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but it was great. I met the fed ex guy when he delivered it
* [15:56] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  30 hour drive
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and I was like "Are you delivering a lot of these today?"
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  he looked down at the package, then back at me
* [15:56] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  wait a sec u got this place and u hold lan parties???
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and he was like "oh shit, Is this sc2: wings of liberty collectors edition??"
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and I was like hell yeah
* [15:57] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  I just bought it from their online store, I had it DL'd a few weeks in advanced
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes lestat. I bought my first house this week
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and it has 1 awesome game room
* [15:58] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  So, when I came out, I just put in my email, and it was all ready to go =p
* [15:58] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  u were lucky he didn't realize that earlier, otherwise u would be still waiting for it:)
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the rest of the house is small though
* [15:58] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Just in time for the big shaky :)
* [15:58] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  hope ya installed a lab as well
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I have a mad scientist lair
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  / lab
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's where I do all my crazy experiments
* [15:59] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  now everybody know what u r doing if u callin sick this month, oskar:)
* [15:59] [[User:Lestat Demain|Lestat Demain]]:  betcha not as crazy as mine :P
* [15:59] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]:  Does it have grow lites and irregation too?
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  no... everybody knows I didn't call in sick :-(
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  cuz I am so dedicated to each and every one of you
* [16:00] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]:  :)

Latest revision as of 21:04, 5 August 2010

This meeting was held on July 29th, 2010

Agenda

  • Discuss resolution of previous open items.
  • Updates
    • 1.40.4 is LIVE!!
      • Or it should be... how did it go?
    • 1.42.0 is on ADITI now
      • Did anyone notice?
      • enhanced region crossing code
      • some back end performance tools
      • some crash fixes
      • some havok 7 fixes
      • other random bug fixes
      • some security patches
    • I need help testing TCMalloc.
      • Who is interested and how can you get involved.
      • https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/TCMalloc_Beta
        • Opensource Obscure: I'm available for testing on Aditi but I'm not sure I can attend July 29's meeting. Can I be given instructions about testing?
  • Releases
  • Any other business

Resolved Items

Meeting Minutes

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for July 29th, 2010:

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