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This meeting was held on September 08th, 2011
Agenda
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for September 08th, 2011:
- [14:59] Jacky Scharf: Gooooood evening ladies and gentlemen. ㋡
- [14:59] Oskar Linden: hi everyone
- [14:59] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:00] Fancy Greeter: Coyot Linden has arrived!
- [15:00] Homeless: hi Oskar
- [15:00] Fancy Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived!
- [15:00] Oskar Linden: we'll wait a bit and let people rez
- [15:01] Motor Loon: so... all day eh? °͜°
- [15:01] Nalates Urriah: small crowd...
- [15:01] WolfPup Lowenhar: thx just got here my self and still loading
- [15:01] Oskar Linden: how was everyone's week?
- [15:01] Homeless: should be loaded by next thursday
- [15:01] Lares Carter: very busy week :/
- [15:01] Talia Malaspina: Holy farking shiite! Hello
- [15:01] Motor Loon: ey Maestro... could you give me a footrub since you're in here anyway?
- [15:01] Nalates Urriah: Hot in SoCal
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: Seattle finally got summer
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: it's been nice
- [15:02] Jacky ScharfJacky Scharf .oO( Coyot wants to swim away? He needs water? )
- [15:02] Nalates Urriah: It rained and then got hot. Ugh! Not SoCal weather
- [15:02] Motor LoonMotor Loon remembers "summer" from vacations to countries NOT Denmark...
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: ahh summer
- [15:03] Motor Loon: worst summer in over 40 years here °͜°
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: i need to get my car finished soon so I can start cruising
- [15:03] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: Seattle office had ice cream today
- [15:03] Nalates Urriah: yum
- [15:03] Motor Loon: what flavor?
- [15:03] WolfPup Lowenhar: lucky folks there in Seattle
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: vanilla bean dipped in chocolate
- [15:04] Motor Loon: mmmmh....
- [15:04] Motor LoonMotor Loon drools a little...
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: alright
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: let's get this party started
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
- [15:04] Rex Cronon: greetings
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: there is the agenda
- [15:04] Coyot Linden: In soviet union, party finds you
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: I had hoped to have a special linden guest today
- [15:05] Motor Loon: pretty big agenda... we'll be here a while
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: well I mean of course all lindens are special
- [15:05] Nalates Urriah: :) right
- [15:05] Coyot Linden: "special"
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: but a new linden you have not met yet
- [15:05] Motor Loon: shortbus will be here in 5
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: he had a meeting he couldn't get out of
- [15:05] Latif Khalifa: falcon is pretty "special" :P
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: so next week we'll have Gez Linden here
- [15:05] Nalates Urriah: He knew he was gona get hazed
- [15:05] Motor Loon: cool name
- [15:06] Rex Cronon: geez?
- [15:06] Homeless: all Lindens are special but some are more special than others?
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: he's just gonna talk about some cool new things we're working on
- [15:06] Rex Cronon: oh gez
- [15:06] Motor Loon: hehe
- [15:06] Motor Loon: we'll have fun with that name
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: he's a sharp guy. I like his projects
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: but that's all I can say
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: ;-)
- [15:06] Nalates Urriah: Is his middle name 'these'
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: and now that I have fueled your curiosity I will evade further questions and jump into the agenda
- [15:07] Oskar Linden: thankfully this week has been fairly tame
- [15:07] Motor Loon: soo.. next week = early xmas presents?
- [15:07] Coyot Linden: It is only Sept. for heaven's sake
- [15:07] Oskar Linden: we've had so many crazy weeks this year it's nice when we can have a week when things just seem to go the way they're supposed to
- [15:07] Motor Loon: never too early for presents
- [15:07] Oskar Linden: right coyot?
- [15:07] Coyot Linden: RIGHT
- [15:07] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: sometimes this place feels like NASA Mission Control
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: and every week is a moon landing
- [15:08] Motor Loon: True that
- [15:08] TankMaster Finesmith: wouldnt that be something... weekly moon landings...
- [15:08] Coyot Linden: Grand Central. Next deploy leaving the station at noon.
- [15:08] Homeless: and no Apollo 13's
- [15:08] Motor Loon: sometimes the rockets even explode on liftoff °͜°
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: the velocity is great for SL, but managing it is quite a process
- [15:09] Oskar Linden: The BlueSteel code got promoted this week
- [15:09] Coyot Linden: Sometimes you're the windshield...
- [15:09] Oskar Linden: this was a lot of the prim and parcel rezzing fixes
- [15:09] Homeless: Morris should be made into a lunar landscape
- [15:10] Oskar Linden: maestro do you have any details on the changes now that they've shipped and are live
- [15:11] Maestro Linden: Yep, so the promoted bluesteel code had a sim crasher caused by a nasty LSL script that the compiler would hang on
- [15:11] Homeless: and replace the moon with the earth in the sky
- [15:11] Maestro Linden: also there were fixes to several longstanding issues with object entry rules, particularly around region boundaries
- [15:11] Motor Loon: thats a good one to fix, thank you °͜°
- [15:12] Maestro Linden: for example, it was possible to rez an object across a region boundary using a script, even if parcels on both sides disallowed object entry and object rez
- [15:12] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey Tank Master
- [15:12] TankMaster Finesmith: howdy
- [15:12] Nalates Urriah: Was that the Meeroos problem?
- [15:12] Maestro Linden: yep
- [15:12] Maestro Linden: are you familiar with ATM skimmers?
- [15:12] Nalates Urriah: Yes
- [15:13] Maestro Linden: fake card readers that get attached to RL ATMs
- [15:13] Motor Loon: ooh yes... damn clever criminals
- [15:13] Maestro Linden: it was like that with some popular vendors, such as meeroo food vendors
- [15:13] Latif Khalifa: yeah i found those fake transparent vendors on my sim too
- [15:13] Maestro Linden: transparent objects would enter vendors' parcels and try to trick people to give money to them
- [15:13] Flip Idlemind: Someone mentioned (and I've seen) that vehicles (that you're sitting on) can no longer move onto parcels without enough prims to support them. Is that a still-unresolved bug, or expected behavior now?
- [15:13] Maestro Linden: with the fixes, it'll be harder to get those items in a parcel if object entry and build are disabled
- [15:14] Maestro Linden: that's a bug, FLIP
- [15:14] Motor Loon: That should be in the works atleast Flip
- [15:14] Maestro Linden: the vehicle should be ok as long as the avatar sits on it
- [15:14] Homeless: would autoreturn get rid of those objects?
- [15:14] Motor Loon: I was asking about that last week I think it was
- [15:14] Maestro Linden: it should only be returned once the last passenger stands up
- [15:14] Latif Khalifa: well you can still sit on the fake vender and edit move it over into a parcel
- [15:14] Motor Loon: highly annoying bug btw
- [15:15] Latif Khalifa: so if one parcel on the sim is rez, all parcels on the sims are rez
- [15:15] Maestro Linden: that's also fixed in certain cases, Latif
- [15:15] Motor Loon: autoreturn can also sort those cases real easy
- [15:16] Oskar Linden: we did not have a new code candidate ready for BlueSteel
- [15:16] Oskar Linden: so BlueSteel matches trunk
- [15:16] Latif Khalifa: I always had the problem with that. I want my store to be rez with autoreturn so people can unpack, but if I do that then can rez there, sit, and move anywhere else
- [15:16] Jacky Scharf: What's the full name of these vendors?
- [15:17] Maestro Linden: I imagine they take on unlimited kinds of names
- [15:17] Motor Loon: they'd name them like your vendors jacky
- [15:17] Jacky Scharf: Damned.
- [15:17] Motor Loon: when was the "edit freezes physical objects" fix in for deploys?
- [15:17] Jacky Scharf: Ok, thx.
- [15:17] Maestro Linden: ah, that's in the pipeline as well, Motor. that branch might see RC next week.
- [15:17] Motor Loon: thats a God fix too
- [15:17] Motor Loon: I luv' it
- [15:17] Motor Loon: I luv' Lindens
- [15:17] Latif Khalifa: yeah
- [15:18] Rex Cronon: u could have your vendors change name randomly:)
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: a god fix?
- [15:18] Maestro Linden: so that branch also has some other stuff..
- [15:18] Maestro Linden: meshy parameters will be scriptable
- [15:18] Motor Loon: Looking forward to that
- [15:18] Motor Loon: yaay
- [15:18] Talia Malaspina: Wheeeeeee!!
- [15:18] Maestro Linden: like the physics material properties (gravity etc) for an object,
- [15:18] Motor Loon: more than just the "shape" ?
- [15:18] Motor Loon: ah
- [15:18] Motor Loon: goodie
- [15:19] Oskar Linden: that's cool
- [15:19] Maestro Linden: and also a new prim params flag, PRIM_PHYSICS_SHAPE_TYPE
- [15:19] Motor Loon: thats the ubercool one
- [15:19] Motor Loon: I need that one for my big boat project °͜°
- [15:19] Maestro Linden: which, as it turns out, isn't really any worse than llSetPos() on a child prim in linkset, or setting PRIM_TYPE
- [15:19] Maestro Linden: also there's a new function, llGetMassMKS()
- [15:19] Maestro Linden: which returns the mass in kg
- [15:20] Motor Loon: oh... nice
- [15:20] Maestro Linden: we decided that llGetMass() really returns in units of 100kg
- [15:20] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden wants PRIM_PHYSICS_RELATIVISTIC
- [15:20] Maestro Linden: so llGetMassMKS() is basically just a scaled version of llGetMass() =P
- [15:20] Oskar Linden: nice
- [15:20] Maestro Linden: hm let's see, there's also supposed to be a fix for SVC-6955
- [15:20] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-6955] Attempt to rez object failed, item is not returned, missing from database https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6955
- [15:20] Latif Khalifa: PRIM_PHYSICS_DISABLE_PE? :p
- [15:21] Maestro Linden: and SVC-7169
- [15:21] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7169] Folders are Texture Category Folders https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7169
- [15:21] Motor Loon: haha
- [15:21] Homeless: I'm looking forward to PRIM_PHYSICS_LIQUID
- [15:21] Maestro Linden: and SCR-53
- [15:21] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-53] llSensorRepeat not triggering no_sensor unless a sensor event handler is present https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-53
- [15:21] Motor Loon: You guys have been busy °͜°
- [15:21] Latif Khalifa: SVC-7169 is really nasty I hope it gets promoted the next week
- [15:21] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7169] Folders are Texture Category Folders https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7169
- [15:21] Maestro Linden: oh and, llCastRay() is enabled there
- [15:21] Oskar Linden: cast ray
- [15:22] Maestro Linden: (not to be confused with llCastrate())
- [15:22] Oskar Linden: o.O
- [15:22] Motor Loon: lol
- [15:22] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
- [15:22] Coyot Linden: See this is why I make those jokes
- [15:22] Talia Malaspina: Noooo!
- [15:22] Coyot Linden: Cause if I don't someone else will. :P
- [15:22] ATechwolf FoxclawATechwolf Foxclaw hides
- [15:22] Rex Cronon: if u make lazers with it...
- [15:22] Maestro Linden: ok, so that's one project
- [15:22] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Me like balls.
- [15:22] Oskar Linden: set AVATAR_GENDER 0;
- [15:23] Maestro Linden: another project is some "mesh maint-server", which has some mesh bugfixes
- [15:23] Nalates Urriah: CastRay is enabled where?
- [15:23] Motor LoonMotor Loon almost wanna do grouphugs for all the fixes there
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: we can group hug
- [15:23] Motor Loon: yaay
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: can we all fit in that tub?
- [15:23] Talia Malaspina: What's worse, plywood balls or a cardboard box?
- [15:23] Maestro Linden: which ahs a fix for SVC-7201, SVC-7231 ..
- [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7201] receiving messages from Ozimal bunnies about not being allowed on my sim https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7231
- [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7231] Vehicles can no longer enter parcels with not enough prims to support the vehicle even when *not* crossing a sim boundry https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7231
- [15:24] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:24] Maestro Linden: hmm and some other misc. changes
- [15:24] Motor Loon: ah yes, 7231 that was the one
- [15:24] Flip Idlemind: Aha, that's the one was talking about
- [15:24] Maestro Linden: a lot of it's related to parcel resource bugs
- [15:24] Coyot Linden: It's just part and parcel of what we do.
- [15:25] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:26] Maestro Linden: Hm, that's about all we have
- [15:26] Motor Loon: do we have aditi sandboxes with water anywhere btw?
- [15:26] Rex Cronon: rausch has some water
- [15:26] Maestro Linden: Maybe you can rez boats near Murray?
- [15:26] Motor Loon: okies
- [15:26] Maestro Linden: or in that kapor/rosedale lake
- [15:26] Maestro Linden: Mnemosyne looks aquatic
- [15:27] Motor Loon: neat
- [15:27] Oskar Linden: we can make a water sandbox I guess
- [15:27] Motor Loon: mabye just half water would be excellent
- [15:27] Coyot Linden: The top half?
- [15:27] Rex Cronon: put a big lake at sandbox weapons testing:)
- [15:27] Motor Loon: yeah °͜°
- [15:27] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
- [15:28] Oskar Linden: there we go
- [15:28] Coyot Linden: tsunami!!!!!
- [15:28] Motor Loon: dont have to be deeper than the bottom
- [15:28] Talia Malaspina: Noooo!
- [15:28] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden is glad he is on higher ground
- [15:28] Homeless: just like Venice!
- [15:28] Motor Loon: just ... with less piss in the water
- [15:28] Coyot Linden: except not as smelly ;)
- [15:28] Motor Loon: °͜°
- [15:28] Latif Khalifa: true that lol
- [15:29] Rex Cronon: need a motorboat?
- [15:29] Homeless: could make the water cloudy and green
- [15:29] Oskar Linden: who has a boat we can finish this meeting in
- [15:29] Motor Loon: I have my mesh boat .. not quite finished though
- [15:29] Coyot Linden: The whole world is a boat sailing through space.
- [15:30] Talia Malaspina: Mesh boat...doesn't sound entirely sea worthy.
- [15:30] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:30] Homeless: I'm also a boatless resident
- [15:30] Coyot Linden: haha
- [15:30] Motor LoonMotor Loon points impatiently to the agenda while jumping up and down trying to hold his breath...
- [15:30] Oskar Linden: hah
- [15:30] Oskar Linden shouts: I'm CAPTAIN
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: no one wants on the boat huh?
- [15:31] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
- [15:31] Motor Loon: well, I didnt put a beer cooler on it yet... probably why
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: anyways
- [15:31] Grid Crash Protection Box: Flip Idlemind, you are no longer protected from the vagaries of the Grid - beware!
- [15:31] ATechwolf Foxclaw: What boat? All I see are some prims.
- [15:32] Motor Loon: shame on you
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: i see a huge boat
- [15:32] Talia Malaspina: We're gonna need a bigger boat.
- [15:32] Rex Cronon: mesh?
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: it is a mesh boat
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: it's a nice one
- [15:32] TankMaster Finesmith: not much of a boat if you fall throat hte consol
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: ther ereally isn't too much to announce this week
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: no new projects on the RC's
- [15:33] Flip Idlemind: Not even the super secret stuff?
- [15:34] Lares Carter: is there a changelog available for the 240something server for magnum?
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: next week
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: maybe
- [15:34] Flip Idlemind: You know if there's nothing else to talk about, you automatically have to reveal secret projects
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: hmm
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: ok
- [15:34] Latif Khalifa: promote LeTigre next week :D That inv-folder-as-system-folder is really bugging me ;)
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: we've got this new ********** project
- [15:34] Motor Loon: sounds secret °͜°
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: it will take your ******** and ******** the ******** when you ********
- [15:35] Motor LoonMotor Loon starts up the enigma decoder
- [15:35] Maestro Linden: actually, there is 1 thing that isn't secret in that secret project
- [15:35] Oskar Linden: it's amazing to see a ********** really ************ and **********
- [15:35] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:35] Maestro Linden: llGenerateKey(), which generates a random UUID
- [15:35] Coyot Linden: Damn. I totally read that as llGenerateKelly()
- [15:35] Latif Khalifa: lol
- [15:36] Motor Loon: either very usefull
- [15:36] Motor LoonMotor Loon grins
- [15:36] Talia Malaspina: Only if Kelly knows how to clean my bathroom.
- [15:36] Latif Khalifa: llCloneLinden(string firstName) :P
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: what params would it take?
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: it would have a sleep time of 8 hours though
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: hah
- [15:36] Latif Khalifa: lol
- [15:36] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
- [15:37] TankMaster Finesmith: only 8?
- [15:37] Flip Idlemind: Oh speaking of first names, what about getting someone's key by their name, like llRequestAgentKey() or something
- [15:37] Flip Idlemind: Im sure Im not the first person to propose it, but I was just reminded of it
- [15:37] Talia Malaspina: Yes, please, that would be very handy sometimes.
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: llRequestAgentKey(key)
- [15:37] Motor Loon: haha
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: that could work
- [15:38] Motor Loon: sounds tricky to implement °͜°
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: alright. well as far as the agenda goes I am out of updates
- [15:38] Talia Malaspina: There are third-party web sites that provide the service now, but their data is incomplete, and using them depends on THEIR continued existance.
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: if you want to hound coyot or maestro with questions feel free
- [15:38] Motor Loon: oh oh oh
- [15:38] Motor Loon: mesh pivots?
- [15:38] Motor Loon: no?
- [15:38] Motor Loon: yes?
- [15:38] Motor Loon: no?
- [15:39] Maestro Linden: maybe later?
- [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: maybe
- [15:39] Motor Loon: sighs
- [15:39] Motor Loon: aww
- [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: perhaps
- [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: if they fell like it
- [15:39] Motor Loon: I think yes
- [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: and have time
- [15:39] Motor Loon: yes is good
- [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: :D
- [15:39] Flip Idlemind: As long as it's picky about requiring your full name I don't see it being much harder than llRequestAgentData(their_key, DATA_NAME)
- [15:39] Coyot Linden: time is finite, work is not
- [15:39] Motor Loon: I'll trade with sparkleponys
- [15:39] Flip Idlemind: But I may not see everything
- [15:39] Oskar Linden: next week I'll be wearing my pony avatar
- [15:40] Coyot Linden: pwny
- [15:40] Motor Loon: I'll bring carrots and promose to pet you then
- [15:40] Flip Idlemind: Viewer 2
- [15:40] Motor Loon: ...in a very manly almost non sexual way ofcourse
- [15:40] Rex Cronon: we already have a page with our key. u could make a nother page with our name, and have one point to the other:)
- [15:40] Oskar Linden: thanks motor
- [15:40] Motor Loon: yw
- [15:41] Flip Idlemind: Who loves how my whole av is Viewer 2-colored
- [15:41] Motor Loon: "So, we got mesh - do you Linden have a sense of how it's being used yet, or too early for that still? Are you happy with it?"
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: it's a little too early
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: but I have seen some good uses
- [15:41] TankMaster Finesmith: v2 has colors? i thought it was just shades of gray :P
- [15:41] Coyot Linden: Rubber ducks
- [15:41] Motor Loon: haven't seen SUPER many products on marketplace yet
- [15:41] Motor Loon: but lots of viewer still dont support it ofcourse
- [15:42] Motor Loon: viewers
- [15:42] Flip Idlemind: I picked up the freebie Mesh Kitty av from the MOTD and I ♥ it...only problem is most people can't see me correctly in it T_T
- [15:42] TankMaster Finesmith: Firestorm is mesh capable now, that should help some
- [15:42] Flip Idlemind: Firestorm
- [15:42] Maestro Linden: I got a mesh suit
- [15:42] Flip Idlemind: Now I'm Firestorm-colored :D
- [15:42] Maestro Linden: which looks a lot better than the suit i'm wearing now
- [15:42] Motor Loon: Firestorm does now... just not uploads yet
- [15:43] Flip Idlemind: Blame the Havok corporation for that
- [15:43] Talia Malaspina: Is the FS upload shortcomming a technical or legal issue?
- [15:43] Opensource Obscure: wrt mesh-capable viewers , Kirstens is no more. project freezed-closed for now.
- [15:43] Motor Loon: Kirstens support it all... just saw today its being discontinued though ;-(
- [15:43] Oskar Linden: this is a nice boat motor
- [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: licencing issue
- [15:43] Talia Malaspina: ok
- [15:43] Motor Loon: Thank you Oskar
- [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: the lib LL uses is closed sorce
- [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: theres work being done on an open source version, but its not ready yet
- [15:44] Talia Malaspina: NIfty. Thank you.
- [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: kirstian's is using the leaked LL lib
- [15:44] Motor Loon: I had really been whining ALOT about mesh and espicially the PE accounting... but now... after playing with it on a big project for a weeks time... I kinda have changed my views on it
- [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: thats why his can upload
- [15:44] Flip Idlemind: I'm, like...thinking more clearly than usual right now...we should have all the meetings on a boat
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: why is that motor?
- [15:44] Latif Khalifa: You can get v1 ui viewers with mesh too now. Astra/Singularity adn Cool VL Viewer
- [15:44] Motor Loon: why I was whining or why I changed my mind?
- [15:44] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: yes
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:44] Motor Loon: hehe
- [15:44] Flip Idlemind: Singularity
- [15:44] Flip Idlemind: Now I'm Singularity-colored
- [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: singularity doesn't yet support mesh
- [15:45] Motor Loon: Was whining because it seems everything got to be way high PE compared to doing things with sculpties
- [15:45] posJump: Hello, Avatar!
- [15:45] Avatar: Hello, posJump!
- [15:45] Motor Loon: Changed my mind, because it really IS possible to get it to a decent level even with the new accounting... its all a tradeoff though ofcourse
- [15:45] Latif Khalifa: PE will be the reason mesh ins't used much for rezzed objects
- [15:45] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:46] Motor Loon: There are minus's and plus's
- [15:46] Flip Idlemind: Kurt30 Tester sure likes to make an entrance...over and over <.<
- [15:46] Motor Loon: I took this whole boat... scaled it way down... ended up with a 7 PE object or so... totally amazing
- [15:46] Oskar Linden: he's indecisive
- [15:46] Latif Khalifa: Motor 1:1 scale to PE ratio simpkly kills mesh
- [15:46] Maestro Linden: there are some pretty good looking mesh vehicles out there, which aren't all that high in PE
- [15:46] TankMaster Finesmith: probbaly on v3 with a nvidia card and crashing :P
- [15:46] Latif Khalifa: for anything that is bigger than a chair
- [15:46] Motor Loon: the LODs is really the killer
- [15:46] Flip Idlemind: Hah, "crashing"? What's that?
- [15:46] Motor Loon: for high PE's
- [15:46] posJump 0: Hello, Avatar!
- [15:46] Avatar: Hello, posJump 0!
- [15:47] Motor Loon: You want good LOD, you pay the price
- [15:47] Motor Loon: Problem with that
- [15:47] Motor Loon: is
- [15:47] Latif Khalifa: you don't pay the price. you go back to prims and sculpts, and mesh doesn't get used
- [15:47] Motor Loon: creators might start to not care about people with lowend systems
- [15:47] Motor Loon: Had those thoughts myself
- [15:48] Oskar Linden: yeah you get that already
- [15:48] Oskar Linden: it's a hard balance though
- [15:48] Motor Loon: yep
- [15:48] TankMaster Finesmith: nice jeep, maestro
- [15:48] Motor Loon: Been going back and forth at lot to figure out what kind of min. system my products should require
- [15:49] Motor Loon: because supporting 1990 hardware with mesh objects... does make them too high PE
- [15:49] Flip Idlemind: Idk if anyone's aware but I make puzzle cubes...big ones
- [15:49] Oskar Linden: orly?
- [15:49] Flip Idlemind: However I'm limited to how big because of how many prims you can link
- [15:49] Latif Khalifa: one really sad thing about PE is that it encourages inefficient content and physics
- [15:49] Flip Idlemind: I was really hoping I could, somehow, make a mesh-cube with .5 PE
- [15:49] Flip Idlemind: Which I did, BUT
- [15:49] Motor Loon: it could go pretty damn big though eh?
- [15:49] Flip Idlemind: If it's scripted
- [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Apparently the minimum PE is the actual number of prims
- [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Made me sad
- [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Oh well
- [15:50] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:50] Flip Idlemind: scramble
- [15:50] Motor Loon: neat
- [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Biggest I have is 7x7x7
- [15:50] Latif KhalifaLatif Khalifa blames falkon for "brilliant" idea of linking PE and scale 1:1
- [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Beyond that it's too many prims to link
- [15:50] Motor Loon: that sounds odd though... 7x7x7.... with 64m linking rules?
- [15:51] Latif Khalifa: i would like to know which other linden came up with equally brilliant "streaming cost" for prims. i bet it's runtai
- [15:51] Latif Khalifa: those tw really need adult supervision ;)
- [15:51] Opensource Obscure: (( not related but .. I can reproduce SVC-5271 here - those interested may try on Agni and comment))
- [15:51] Flip Idlemind: 7x7x7 cube is 219 prims :O
- [15:51] Oskar Linden: ok latif I get the idea
- [15:51] Motor Loon: aah you also have more cubes then
- [15:52] Latif Khalifa: oskar, i know, but with head-in-sand mode it might be difficult to hear, so repeating is needed :P
- [15:52] Oskar Linden: we've got 98 more minutes. anything else you guys want to discuss
- [15:52] Motor Loon: I thought you just meant making the same one bigger °͜°
- [15:52] Oskar Linden: oops
- [15:52] Oskar Linden: 8
- [15:52] Oskar Linden: hah
- [15:52] Oskar Linden: not 98
- [15:52] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
- [15:52] Lares Carter: are there any problems with Magnum you know about, Oskar?
- [15:53] Oskar Linden: not that I know of
- [15:53] Oskar Linden: why?
- [15:53] Motor Loon: Is it totally out of the question that PE accounting will be made less tough down the road?
- [15:53] Talia Malaspina: Was this a scheduled meeting? I happened in here by chance.
- [15:53] Lares Carter: SkyBeam, which is on Magnum was behaving really weird, failing TPs from there and neighbouring regions not showing up.
- [15:53] Flip Idlemind: Thursdays at 3pm SLT
- [15:53] Talia Malaspina: Thank you! :)
- [15:54] Maestro Linden: hm those sound like they might be netowrk issues..
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: thanks for stopping by talia
- [15:54] Flip Idlemind: So, I mentioned this last week, and admittedly it fits the "nice to have" priority, but out of curiosity can anyone think of a reason why this wouldn't be a good idea:
- [15:54] Flip Idlemind: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7244
- [15:54] Talia Malaspina: Thanks for letting me listen in. :)
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: sure
- [15:54] Motor Loon: That would be nice Flip
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: you're welcome anytime
- [15:55] Flip Idlemind: I want it, selfishly, for my restart countdown thingy that I put in my viewer
- [15:55] TankMaster Finesmith: would it be possible to block entry to a region with say less than a minuet to restart?
- [15:55] Flip Idlemind: But I think it would benefit others too
- [15:55] TankMaster Finesmith: aside from estate owners
- [15:55] Motor Loon: Actually now that you've heard the secret password Talia, you are a member of the club and must attend every time °͜°
- [15:55] Latif Khalifa: region should just disable teleport in in the last 30 seconds anyway :P
- [15:55] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
- [15:55] Motor Loon: hehe
- [15:56] Talia Malaspina: Then I want to know the secret handshake too! heehe
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: disabling tp out too?
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:56] TankMaster Finesmith: hehe
- [15:56] Motor Loon: Thats not until the 3rd visit Talia
- [15:56] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, perhaps tp out with a small payment :P
- [15:56] TankMaster Finesmith: no, just TP them to the corn field
- [15:56] Talia Malaspina: heehe!
- [15:56] Talia Malaspina: ok
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: monetize restarts!
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: latif is thinking like a linden
- [15:56] Motor Loon: haha
- [15:56] Motor Loon: not bad at all
- [15:56] Flip Idlemind: Viewer 2
- [15:56] TankMaster Finesmith: premium only users can TP out :D
- [15:56] Homeless: eject everyone to an infohub when 5 sec left
- [15:56] Latif Khalifa: monetizing is good.
- [15:56] Motor Loon: whole new kind of "camping"
- [15:57] Rex Cronon: u lindens must be contagious:)
- [15:57] Latif Khalifa: PE isn't monetizing, is just silly
- [15:57] Motor Loon: well, we adapt... we always do
- [15:57] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
- [15:57] Motor Loon: might cry a little first though
- [15:57] Motor Loon: ;-)=
- [15:58] Talia Malaspina: Is there an official "How to make mesh outfits/avatars" tutorial, or do we need to just skim the web for the generosity of smart users?
- [15:58] Latif Khalifa: But I really want to switch big linksents to new physics. No need to collide 30 prims, 3 would do fine. But then my PE doubles, and if you can make any sense of that you're much smarter than me
- [15:59] Latif Khalifa: you reduce the sim load, make content more efficient, and get penalized
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: alright everyone. thanks for coming out today
- [15:59] Talia Malaspina: Thank you! :)
- [15:59] Opensource Obscure: bye everybody
- [15:59] Motor Loon: yeah, if you link regular prims & sculpties with mesh you do
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: I hope to have a guest linden next week
- [15:59] Rex Cronon: tc oskar
- [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: thx for coming, oskar, maesreo, cuote
- [15:59] Coyot Linden: yw
- [15:59] Rex Cronon: tc everybody
- [15:59] Motor Loon: okies... back to work
- [15:59] Motor Loon: tc all
- [15:59] Maestro Linden: thanks for coming!
- [15:59] Latif Khalifa: have fun peeps
- [15:59] Motor Loon: groooouphuuug
- [15:59] Lares Carter: thanks for the meeting
- [15:59] Rex Cronon: have a nice day all
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: have a good weekend and I'll see ya around
- [15:59] Coyot Linden: You know, Guest would be an ossm linden name
- [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: coyot*
- [16:00] Flip Idlemind: Oh, I do have a last minute question. I'm in a certain group and, anytime I send a notice, I get spammed with messages that say "Unable to IM across parent estates"
- [16:00] Talia Malaspina: Bring enough guest lindens for the entire class!
- [16:00] Latif Khalifa: and promote Le Tigre the next week :D
- [16:00] Flip Idlemind: Any idea why? (Unless you're all on your way out)
- [16:00] Motor Loon: hold ya breath... derezzing the boat - dont like to litter °͜°
- [16:00] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina holds breath
- [16:00] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
- [16:00] Maestro Linden: Hm, there's probably a group member who's limited to a private estate..
- [16:00] Talia Malaspina: Noooo!
- [16:00] Talia Malaspina: OoOo BAx boots are waterproof??
- [16:00] [aR] Mesh Expedition Station Wagon (Safari) v1.0.7: You aren't the owner.
- [16:00] Maestro Linden: which normally can't happen, because they wouldn't be able to join the group then
- [16:01] Flip Idlemind: Sounds like a reasonable theory
- [16:01] Flip Idlemind: What I think is, people joined it before the whole merge thing
- [16:01] Oskar Linden: *waves*
- [16:01] TankMaster Finesmith: c-ya oskar