Bug triage/2008-02-27/Transcript
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Agenda Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:
| [14:59] | Daedalus Young: | hi Bridie |
| [14:59] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I see |
| [14:59] | Jason Swain: | Hello Bridie |
| [14:59] | Squirrel Wood: | Vektor knows about it |
| [14:59] | Squirrel Wood: | so I think it'll be fixed within 24 |
| [14:59] | Aric Linden: | hi squirrel and jason |
| [15:00] | Squirrel Wood: | Hello ^^ |
| [15:00] | Squirrel Wood pokes Jason | |
| [15:00] | Torley Linden: | Friendly greetings! |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | Hello Daed, Jason, everyone! |
| [15:00] | Daedalus Young: | hi Torley |
| [15:00] | Jason Swain: | Hello Torlet |
| [15:00] | Aric Linden: | torley |
| [15:00] | Torley Linden: | Nice to see you all here already. |
| [15:00] | Aric Linden: | how is you? |
| [15:00] | WarKirby Magojiro waves | |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:00] | Torley Linden: | Me iz good thanx Aric, and you? |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | Squirrel what are we fixing in 24 hrs? |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | :) |
| [15:01] | WarKirby Magojiro: | A bug with llKey2Name in mono, it seems |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | ah |
| [15:01] | Jason Swain thinks it sounded like all the JIRA :P ^^ | |
| [15:01] | Squirrel Wood: | System.ArgumentException: Invalid sequence in conversion input Parameter name: string at (wrapper managed-to-native) LindenLab.SecondLife.Library:llKey2Name (LindenLab.SecondLife.Key) at LSL_a0aa88e8_2e98_6f44_ade3_6bcf4499437a.MyChannel () [0x00000] at LSL_a0aa88e8_2e98_6f44_ade3_6bcf4499437a.defaultstate_entry () [0x00000] at LSL_a0aa88e8_2e98_6f44_ade3_6bcf4499437adefaultstate_entryFrame.ResumeVoid () [0x00000] at LindenLab.SecondLife.UThread.UThread.Run () [0x00000] at LindenLab.SecondLife.Script.Run (ScriptEvent evt) [0x00000] |
| [15:01] | Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... | |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | yikes |
| [15:01] Connected | ||
| [15:01] | WarKirby Magojiro will relog into the RC viewer. Is currently in windlight | |
| [15:01] | Squirrel Wood: | Mono error messages tend to be long :p |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | Today's agenda... |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | Noted, Squirrel! |
| [15:02] | Squirrel Wood pokes Jason again :p | |
| [15:02] | Torley Linden: | *relogs in RC4* BRB! |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | I'll be sure to mention that to Periapse Linden |
| [15:02] | Jason Swain: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1467 |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | we'll wait for the reloggers... |
| [15:03] | Becky Pippen: | SVC-1467 reproduces for me too |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | jason, you want to discuss that today? can we wait til the end? |
| [15:03] | WarKirby Magojiro: | forgot I still have to download it. Will work with windlight for now |
| [15:03] | Jason Swain: | ok |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | Ty |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | Remind me if I forget, but I'll try to save time |
| [15:03] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Do we have an agenda for today ? |
| [15:03] | Squirrel Wood: | repros every single time |
| [15:03] | Squirrel Wood: | yes |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
| [15:03] | Squirrel Wood: | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
| [15:04] | Bridie Linden waits on Torley... | |
| [15:04] | Jason Swain: | missed an s there squirrel :P |
| [15:04] | Squirrel Wood: | no. works with http as well |
| [15:04] | Bridie Linden: | Well, let's get started... |
| [15:04] | Bridie Linden: | First up, VWR-4963[c] - Votes: 5 - Group archive freezes viewer |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | Can others repro this one? |
| [15:05] | WarKirby Magojiro checks | |
| [15:05] | Squirrel Wood: | erm... |
| [15:05] | Squirrel Wood: | do they use notices as data storage that they have so many? |
| [15:06] | Squirrel Wood: | I'd go crazy if I had notices pop up every minute or two |
| [15:06] | Daedalus Young: | some groups are very spammy with notices |
| [15:06] | Daedalus Young: | Art & Artist Network sends out a lot too |
| [15:06] | WarKirby Magojiro: | That group is entirely about notices |
| [15:06] | Aric Linden: | I'm not sure exactly how to avoid this problem in the code |
| [15:06] | Squirrel Wood: | they should learn to use notecards? and notecard givers? ^^ |
| [15:06] | WarKirby Magojiro: | gaaaah |
| [15:06] | Bridie Linden: | Fashion Consolidated sends a lot of notices |
| [15:07] | Aric Linden looks at Bridie | |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | It took a bit for the archive to populate but I didn't notice any freezes on my Mac... |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | ok, confirmed |
| [15:07] | Squirrel Wood: | avoid... mayhaps have the client precache notices? |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | mostly |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | (the group in the repro, Aric) |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | IT doesn't freeze, but rather |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | just slows down |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | a LOT |
| [15:07] | Torley Linden: | *tries this too* |
| [15:07] | Squirrel Wood: | on slow connections I would imagine it freezes while it waits |
| [15:07] | Torley Linden: | Whoa, big group. |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | It seems to be to do with the quantity of notices that are there |
| [15:07] | Aric Linden: | we can't hold all that data in cache |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | yes, very big |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Can't you just cache the top few items of the list, perhaps? |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden would guess this isn't unique to 1.19.0... | |
| [15:08] | Aric Linden: | there might be a way to move it to a webservice |
| [15:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and download new items as needed when the user scrolls |
| [15:08] | Squirrel Wood: | You limit the cache on the user pcs to 1.5gbyte.. plenty of room for a bunch of notices... |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | Hi Taryn, just on our first issue... |
| [15:08] | Torley Linden: | HOLY CRAP what a lot of notices! Yeah, I got the slowdown but not freeze... |
| [15:08] | Taryn London: | Hello all :) |
| [15:09] | Torley Linden: | I've seen this problem before 1.19 too. |
| [15:09] | Torley Linden: | Hey Taryn! |
| [15:09] | Squirrel Wood: | Hello ^^ |
| [15:09] | Taryn London: | Hi Torley :) |
| [15:09] | WarKirby Magojiro: | That group is entirely for members to recieve notices, mainly |
| [15:09] | Bridie Linden: | Aric, would you like to have someone in QA look @ previous viewers? |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden looks @ Aric | |
| [15:10] | Aric Linden: | sure |
| [15:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | As the charter mentions, it's designed to consolidate news for many groups, into one. to save group space |
| [15:10] | Aric Linden: | but I won't make it a high priority |
| [15:10] | Aric Linden was frozen for a sec | |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:10] | Squirrel Wood: | What about having notices expire after a certain time? |
| [15:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | they do, 30 days |
| [15:10] | Daedalus Young: | they do, don't they? |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden: | If others want to add comments, pls do |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden: | Ok, next up |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | this group just clearly sends hundreds in that time |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-4670[c] - Votes: 1 - Contacts List |
| [15:11] | Torley Linden: | It could be a limit of having them expire after a certain time OR a #, depending on which limit's reached first. Anyway... |
| [15:11] | Squirrel Wood: | I guess notes were never meant to be used that way... |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | A limited number would kill that group |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden: | We talked about 4670 last week... |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and you'd have 5000 angry people complaining |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden: | Bambers Linden had confirmed that current behavior was not new, but the issue was reopened... |
| [15:12] | WarKirby Magojiro: | confirmed in windlight too |
| [15:12] | Torley Linden: | Some other UI elements stay opaque too, like the tabs themselves. |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | hmm |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | "loses focus" to the chat line |
| [15:13] | Torley Linden: | I actually don't remember the names and other stuff going semi-transparent before. |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | so of course it does not go transparent |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | that's how I read this issue |
| [15:13] | Daedalus Young: | the names bit never went transparent afaik, just the whole block around it |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | only when the entire window loses focus it goes transparent |
| [15:14] | Torley Linden: | I remember an earlier Rx discussion about this, that part of the reason why everything doesn't go transparent is because with a single click, you can still regain focus and use it ? as to not be confused with actual grayed-out elements. |
| [15:14] | Daedalus Young: | last comment mentions official viewer doe turn transparent, which is what I'm on now |
| [15:14] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and does it? |
| [15:14] | Bridie Linden: | ?? |
| [15:14] | Daedalus Young: | and the names stay opaque while the surrounding changes to transparent |
| [15:14] | Squirrel Wood: | window turns transparent, lists stay opaque |
| [15:14] | Squirrel Wood: | to remain readable |
| [15:14] | Torley Linden: | I suspect unless this can be substantiated, this may be mistaken memory on the part of the reporter. |
| [15:15] | Bridie Linden: | Anyone want to attach a screen shot to the issue and re-resolve? |
| [15:15] | Daedalus Young: | just like Chat History turns transparent, but chat bar on it remains opaque |
| [15:15] | Aric Linden agrees with torley | |
| [15:15] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think it would be nice if it turned transparent, though, |
| [15:15] | Daedalus Young: | I can do screenshot with 1.18.5 and RC next to eachother |
| [15:15] | Bridie Linden: | That's be OSSM Daed! |
| [15:15] | Squirrel Wood: | if you don't want to see it, ctrl-t or close it? ^^ |
| [15:16] | Torley Linden: | Yes Squirrel. |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden lols | |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | Next up... |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5145[c] - Votes: 0 - Groups Missing (Say's you are in 0) Even if you join another in RC3 |
| [15:16] | Daedalus Young: | ok will do |
| [15:16] | Taryn London nods... seen that one. | |
| [15:16] | Taryn London: | jsut commented. |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | Daed gets a gold star today! |
| [15:17] | WarKirby Magojiro: | no problems with that here for me |
| [15:17] | Daedalus Young: | w00t! :D |
| [15:17] | Bridie Linden: | no Meghan today? |
| [15:17] | Torley Linden: | Meghan earlier emailed me to say she couldn't make it. |
| [15:17] | Daedalus Young: | oh, this looks like the other issue about groups missing |
| [15:17] | Taryn London: | She's not online :( |
| [15:18] | Bridie Linden: | "This isnt constant and it shows sometimes. " |
| [15:18] | Jason Swain: | I think I might also have that bug... I am in 25 groups but only 24 are listed in the groups (by communicate) |
| [15:18] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the tricky kind of issue : ( |
| [15:18] | Torley Linden: | I wonder if when it shows groups as "0", the Friends list also shows "(waiting)"? |
| [15:18] | Daedalus Young: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2633 |
| [15:18] | Torley Linden: | Jason, there's another bug out there I recall where less groups are shown than you're actually in. |
| [15:18] | Squirrel Wood: | could it be that SL was still fetching data after a cache clear? |
| [15:18] | Bridie Linden: | Not sure Torley |
| [15:19] | Torley Linden: | Thanks Daed, that's the one! |
| [15:19] | Torley Linden: | Rock on Daed. :) |
| [15:19] | Harleen Gretzky: | No, shows no groups at all, no ?s |
| [15:19] | Daedalus Young: | afaik, list does not show (waiting) and even mentions you are in 0 groups exactly |
| [15:19] | Jason Swain: | Ahh ok that would be it, thks Torley ^^ |
| [15:19] | Taryn London: | Torley, for me it wasn't. it was just 0 groups. |
| [15:19] | Taryn London: | I have a screenshot, i'll post it, one sec |
| [15:19] | Aric Linden: | I've seen this issue, but relog always fixes |
| [15:19] | Daedalus Young: | see my screenshot on 2633 |
| [15:19] | Torley Linden: | Hmmm Daed that VWR-2633 is fixed internally, but I'll followup and have a look... |
| [15:20] | Daedalus Young: | I hadn't seen it anymore, but maybe it's back with RC |
| [15:20] | Taryn London: | Yup, relog fixed it for me. |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | Want to link up the issues Torley? |
| [15:20] | Aric Linden smiles at Taryn | |
| [15:20] | Torley Linden: | Sure Bridie, sec. |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | Shall we leave 5145 open then? |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | No clear repro... |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | add a comment that relogging fixes it? |
| [15:21] | Taryn London: | http://flickr.com/photos/tarynlondon/2297233158/ Posted. :P |
| [15:21] | Torley Linden: | Yes, I'll leave a comment. Thanks Taryn. |
| [15:21] | Taryn London: | np :) |
| [15:21] | Bridie Linden: | Great, thx |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | Next, one from Gigs... |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5055[c] - Votes: 0 - Land search throttle makes it impossible to get through spam. |
| [15:22] | Taryn London: | Also: same chopped up avatar tag in pic issue as I've been seeing on WL, in that pic. |
| [15:22] | Squirrel Wood: | so true... |
| [15:22] | WarKirby Magojiro: | gah |
| [15:22] | Squirrel Wood: | alternate solution: checkbox [exclude 1L offers] |
| [15:22] | WarKirby Magojiro: | stupid multigadget >.< |
| [15:22] | Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype | |
| [15:22] | Torley Linden: | I know there was a recent bug where estate parcels were showing in the Mainland filter. |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | Kind of a feature request for min price.. |
| [15:22] | WarKirby Magojiro: | apologies for my MG bloking the urler |
| [15:23] | Torley Linden: | It's important to try to repro that first... |
| [15:23] | Aric Linden: | in a backhanded way |
| [15:23] | Torley Linden: | New Search doesn't do Land Sales yet, but I'd hope it would in the future. |
| [15:23] | WarKirby Magojiro: | how long is the throttle? |
| [15:23] | Squirrel Wood: | repro... open search => land sales => search |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | But it's true that all the 1L$ show up first... |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | Shall we pass along to Rx or the Search team? |
| [15:24] | Daedalus Young: | yes, I only got L$1 results now while scanning through, until hitting the search limit |
| [15:24] | Squirrel Wood: | tryin |
| [15:24] | Aric Linden: | Search |
| [15:24] | Squirrel Wood: | reverting sort order shows only a few auction parcels at the end and 1L ones |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | Will do! |
| [15:24] | Aric Linden: | I'd let stephany filter |
| [15:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | That really needs sorted |
| [15:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | a minimum price field would be good |
| [15:25] | Bridie Linden: | Moving smartly along... |
| [15:25] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-4992[c] - Votes: 0 - No button to stop quicktime stream in 1.19 UI |
| [15:25] | Aric Linden nods at WarKirby | |
| [15:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | though if you set to mainland only |
| [15:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | things improve drastically |
| [15:25] | Squirrel Wood: | limit the price people can put in... to something like 0.5L / sqm or something |
| [15:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the 1l thing is used to grab attention for island parcels |
| [15:26] | WarKirby Magojiro: | they can't do it on the mainland though, or a landbot would just grab their land for 1l |
| [15:26] | Torley Linden: | I remember Steve mentioning something related to VWR-4992, there definitely was a design discussion about it internally... |
| [15:26] | Squirrel Wood: | landbots grab most land anyway |
| [15:26] | Bridie Linden: | WarKirby, Squirrel, it'd be great if you added those comments |
| [15:26] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'll add a comment along those lines |
| [15:26] | Torley Linden: | the reasoning being if someone kept wanting to stop media playback, they'd disable it in the Preferences. And putting it on pause is useful for buffering on slower connections. |
| [15:26] | Bridie Linden: | What'd Steve say Torley? |
| [15:26] | Aric Linden: | there was a lot of back and forth about this during the parcel media testing |
| [15:27] | Bridie Linden: | Oh? |
| [15:27] | Aric Linden nods | |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | Part of the problem was the paradigm between the music URL and media URL... and resuming playback during live streams (as opposed to static files stored on a server). |
| [15:27] | Aric Linden: | but sadlly i don't remember the outcome |
| [15:27] | Aric Linden apologizes | |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | I'd encourage that if this is a contentious issue, more Residents should vote for it. |
| [15:27] | Squirrel Wood: | a stop button is definitely a must methinks. |
| [15:28] | Torley Linden: | And provide use cases for why it's handy. |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | Well, how 'bout I import and we can revisit internally.... |
| [15:28] | WarKirby Magojiro: | *votes& |
| [15:28] | Torley Linden: | =o) |
| [15:28] | Aric Linden: | I think it might revolve around problems with the mozilla browser |
| [15:28] | Squirrel Wood: | then again.. I have banned quicktime from my computer :p |
| [15:28] | Torley Linden: | Yes, sounds good to me. |
| [15:28] | Aric Linden: | that mozilla doesn't support this easily |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | Yes to Torley's suggestions too! |
| [15:28] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I stronly think that functionality is needed |
| [15:28] | Jason Swain: | *voted* |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden: | Thx all |
| [15:29] | WarKirby Magojiro: | It seemed to work fine before, though |
| [15:29] | WarKirby Magojiro: | what has changed? |
| [15:29] | Aric Linden: | wasn't mozilla before |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden: | Next, |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-4985[c] - Votes: 0 - xyText textures display improperly in 1.19.0 |
| [15:29] | Aric Linden: | iirc there's a callback issue with the implementation |
| [15:30] | Daedalus Young awaits bmp to load | |
| [15:30] | Squirrel Wood: | did you say BMP? Erk! |
| [15:30] | Torley Linden: | I wish we didn't accept BMPs and limited the uploads to PNGs and JPGs... *makes a note* |
| [15:30] | Daedalus Young: | unfortunately yes |
| [15:30] | Torley Linden: | I'll followup with Rob about that. |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden sighs | |
| [15:30] | Daedalus Young: | I'll convert to jpeg when they're in though |
| [15:30] | Squirrel Wood: | People will just rename their files to "convert" them Torley |
| [15:31] | Torley Linden: | Squirrel, true too. Sad that there's already a subtitle when filing an issue asking that BMPs not be used. |
| [15:31] | Bridie Linden sips her chai while BMP loads... | |
| [15:31] | Daedalus Young: | I think some people just don't know how to convert bmp screenshots to jpeg |
| [15:31] | Torley Linden: | Sounds like a good topic for a tutorial. |
| [15:31] | Taryn London goes to get dinner out of the oven while bmp loads :) | |
| [15:31] | Torley Linden: | ;) |
| [15:31] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I made an issue about that |
| [15:31] | Daedalus Young: | it does, Torley |
| [15:32] | Torley Linden: | *makes a note* |
| [15:32] | Squirrel Wood: | proper file conversion using IrfanView? ^^ |
| [15:32] | Daedalus Young: | for example |
| [15:32] | WarKirby Magojiro: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-404 |
| [15:32] | Squirrel Wood: | (it will warn you if the extension is wrong) |
| [15:32] | Torley Linden: | Aye... |
| [15:32] | Daedalus Young: | web-404: Not Found? :P |
| [15:32] | Squirrel Wood: | lol |
| [15:32] | WarKirby Magojiro: | : ) |
| [15:32] | Jason Swain: | Maybe SL needs to save screenshots to JPG for JIRA uploads to make the JIRA easier to access to all levels of technical knowledge users |
| [15:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I linked the issue about adding image type selection, too |
| [15:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the main reason everyone uploads bmp is because it's the only format SL saves in |
| [15:33] | Daedalus Young: | or at least PNG, to keep them lossless |
| [15:33] | Torley Linden: | Well Jason, what you can also do is... click "Attach screenshot" on a JIRA issue and paste in your clipboard, and that converts it. But I agree... didn't Gigs have an upcoming patch to save snapshots in other formats? |
| [15:33] | Torley Linden: | I remember this very clearly. |
| [15:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | if that patch could be implemented, I reckon we'd see a lot less bmps |
| [15:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | It's finished, I think |
| [15:33] | Torley Linden: | Ahhhh. |
| [15:33] | Torley Linden: | So much has happened! |
| [15:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I actually made an issue about THAT, too |
| [15:33] | Torley Linden: | Thanks WarKirby. |
| [15:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | patches that aren't applied yet |
| [15:34] | Jason Swain didn't know about that Torley, "thanks" | |
| [15:34] | Torley Linden: | =) |
| [15:34] | WarKirby Magojiro: | here's the image format one: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2491 |
| [15:34] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Gigs made another patch to control terraform strength, too |
| [15:34] | WarKirby Magojiro: | we're still waiting on that being put in the client >.> |
| [15:34] | Torley Linden: | Both of these look ready for implementation, they cleared Rx's queue. |
| [15:34] | Torley Linden: | They're assigned to internal triage right now. |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | the bmps have WL in the name... |
| [15:35] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the terraform one too ? |
| [15:35] | Squirrel Wood: | these screenshots are absolutely.... not getting the point across? |
| [15:35] | Aric Linden: | and they'll be looked at internally tomorrow |
| [15:35] | Torley Linden: | You know, hmmm from the date, I wonder if this bug was already fixed. |
| [15:35] | Torley Linden: | There were earlier WindLight texturing bugs, including a planar mapping one. |
| [15:35] | Squirrel Wood: | displaying "36" |
| [15:35] | Squirrel Wood: | Is there even a 36 there? |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | that's the bug Squirrel! |
| [15:36] | WarKirby Magojiro: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2331 The terraforming issue |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | Torley do you want to try this one later? |
| [15:36] | Torley Linden: | Yes Bridie, I'll followup on it. |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | on WL? |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | ty |
| [15:36] | Daedalus Young: | ahh, jpeg version added |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | If a 6 were a 9.... |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden: | Next up... |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-4694[c] - Votes: 0 - Popup buttons do not come and like when I get an IM or the stand up on certain items that normally give out a stand up botton. |
| [15:37] | Aric Linden: | Steps would be really nice for this one |
| [15:37] | Torley Linden: | Yeah, I'm inclined to ask for more clarification, Needs More Info. |
| [15:37] | WarKirby Magojiro: | o.0 |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden: | I was a bit confused too |
| [15:37] | Squirrel Wood: | I guess that's the no blinking issue ? |
| [15:37] | WarKirby Magojiro: | That title is a abit of a mouthful |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden: | I'll ask for more info |
| [15:38] | Torley Linden: | Thanks! |
| [15:38] | Taryn London: | It is :) |
| [15:38] | Squirrel Wood: | as in, button does not blink to notify |
| [15:38] | Squirrel Wood: | of new IMs |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | ? |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | maybe? |
| [15:38] | Daedalus Young: | should it blink? |
| [15:38] | Taryn London: | the tabs don't flash as noticably as before, I saw that much |
| [15:38] | Aric Linden: | yes |
| [15:39] | Taryn London: | but they are still flashing |
| [15:39] | Daedalus Young: | oh, I see |
| [15:39] | Aric Linden: | it's more subtle now in dazzle |
| [15:39] | Taryn London: | but the button never flashed... |
| [15:39] | Aric Linden: | but they still do |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | "no longer blink", https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4575 |
| [15:39] | Squirrel Wood: | hmm |
| [15:39] | Daedalus Young: | but the buttons still appear fine, which this issue says they don't |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | We're still open to having a "happier medium" for that which isn't annoying but not so subtle that it gets missed. |
| [15:39] | Squirrel Wood: | or could it be the thing where stand up / release keys were moved to the left side and appeared in different positions ? |
| [15:39] | Bridie Linden: | so is this mouthful a dupe? |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | this one is annoying |
| [15:40] | Aric Linden: | I'd ask |
| [15:40] | Torley Linden: | We should get more details to clarify VWR-4694. |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think the blinking needs to return |
| [15:40] | Aric Linden: | for clarification |
| [15:40] | Bridie Linden: | ok, I'll follwo up |
| [15:40] | Squirrel Wood: | Yes! I want bling on them buttons ^^ |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | It was actually removed in response to a jira which only got 3 votes, I think |
| [15:40] | Torley Linden: | Haha Squirrel, I want chrome rims on my windows! |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | whereas the jira to un-fix it has 94 votes |
| [15:40] | Aric Linden hands squirrel chromed walnuts | |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | maybe a configuration option ? |
| [15:40] | Squirrel Wood grins | |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | ha |
| [15:41] | Squirrel Wood: | yes. optional sounds good. |
| [15:41] | Torley Linden: | I'm leaning towards finding a better notification balance... |
| [15:41] | Torley Linden: | that would generally satisfy the majority. |
| [15:41] | Squirrel Wood: | [x] make my shiny chromed buttons do the bling |
| [15:41] | WarKirby Magojiro: | well |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | +1 |
| [15:41] | Torley Linden: | The problem is both tried approaches were too extreme. |
| [15:41] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'd say 94-3 is defintely a majority |
| [15:41] | WarKirby Magojiro: | it's not exactly dividing the community in two |
| [15:41] | Squirrel Wood: | nono. That would be 91 |
| [15:41] | Taryn London: | I like the semi-highlighted state :) |
| [15:41] | Torley Linden: | Definitely a lot more votes, but there was other discussion and reported problems we took into consideration. |
| [15:41] | Torley Linden: | There's a lot more context that wasn't on that PJIRA. |
| [15:42] | Taryn London: | Gives me more excuses to say "sorry, missed your IM" if I don't want to talk to someone :P |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden laughs | |
| [15:42] | Squirrel Wood: | make it optional? |
| [15:42] | WarKirby Magojiro: | in any case, I'm always in favor of options |
| [15:42] | Taryn London: | For sure :) Options are good. |
| [15:42] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I just love the sea of settings to play with that SL has |
| [15:42] | Squirrel Wood: | [x] little bling [x] more bling [x] ultra bling! |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden: | [X] spinners! |
| [15:42] | Torley Linden: | I like options when there isn't a clear win, but SL's Preferences are bewildering to novices, so hiding advanced stuff for newcomers, I appreciate. |
| [15:43] | Squirrel Wood: | [x] make me use my sunglasses |
| [15:43] | Jason Swain wonders if you will get bling warning messages if its too high | |
| [15:43] | WarKirby Magojiro: | yes, that too |
| [15:43] | Torley Linden: | LOL, BLINGBOX! |
| [15:43] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hiding advanced options is good |
| [15:43] | Taryn London: | [X] Neon Pink [X] Neon Green |
| [15:43] | Daedalus Young: | [x] both |
| [15:43] | Torley Linden: | I have both of those checked ALL THE TIME Taryn. :0 |
| [15:43] | Squirrel Wood: | [x] bling my bling |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | [x]light neon pink |
| [15:43] | Torley Linden: | Anyhoo, what's up next? |
| [15:43] | Taryn London: | hehe figures :P |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | Hooray for options! |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | Moving right along... |
| [15:43] | Squirrel Wood: | pixelated pie menu? |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5050[c] - Votes: 0 - Pixelated Pie Menu |
| [15:43] | Daedalus Young: | I think I've seen that |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden: | I couldn't be sure... |
| [15:44] | Daedalus Young: | thought -something- was different, but couldn't quite see what |
| [15:44] | Torley Linden: | I haven't seen this but I wonder if it's a Mac-only issue... ? |
| [15:44] | Aric Linden: | can't see it on my mac |
| [15:44] | WarKirby Magojiro: | why, so it is |
| [15:44] | Daedalus Young: | that's possible |
| [15:44] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I have it |
| [15:44] | Taryn London: | Could be - I've not seen it and I don't have a mac |
| [15:44] | WarKirby Magojiro: | windows xp |
| [15:44] | Squirrel Wood: | It may just not be filtered but rendered on top ? |
| [15:44] | Torley Linden: | Hmmm... odd! |
| [15:44] | Harleen Gretzky: | Dazzle only |
| [15:44] | fr43k Paine: | Greetings everyone :-) |
| [15:44] | WarKirby Magojiro: | The pie menu definitely looks more pixelated than usual |
| [15:44] | Daedalus Young: | hi |
| [15:44] | Aric Linden is on 1.19.0 (3) | |
| [15:44] | Torley Linden: | WarKirby, can you please attach a screenshot? |
| [15:44] | Taryn London: | Hi fr43k :) |
| [15:44] | Torley Linden: | *is curious* |
| [15:45] | WarKirby Magojiro is on windlight | |
| [15:45] | Daedalus Young: | I'd have to try this later too |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | Screenshot would be great |
| [15:45] | Daedalus Young: | can do |
| [15:45] | Harleen Gretzky: | I think it is in the rest of the RCs also but most prominet in Dazzle since the inside is also grey |
| [15:45] | Torley Linden: | Woohoo. |
| [15:45] | WarKirby Magojiro will attach one | |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden: | Gold sart for WarKirby! |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden: | :) |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden: | *star even |
| [15:46] | WarKirby Magojiro: | He gets a star and I only get a sart? |
| [15:46] | Daedalus Young: | lol |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden: | sarts are rarer |
| [15:46] | Taryn London: | You can trade sarts for $L, it's better. |
| [15:46] | Torley Linden: | Haha, reminds me of the Sart Farm in Tron Bonne, for whoever's played that. |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden is happy that the typo wasn't worse.. | |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | Silence. |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden hangs head | |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | Next up |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5113[c] - Votes: 0 - Chat tab does not default to most recent IM |
| [15:47] | Taryn London grins | |
| [15:47] | Squirrel Wood: | bug might happen when you have the participant list open... as the chat moves down a bit in that case.. can repro it in the history chat window |
| [15:48] | Squirrel Wood: | due to the text being reformatted |
| [15:48] | Torley Linden: | Thanks Harleen for checking out a lot of issues! I saw many comments of yours. |
| [15:48] | Harleen Gretzky: | yw :) |
| [15:48] | Bridie Linden: | Gold star/sart for Harleen, too! |
| [15:48] | WarKirby Magojiro posted a picture | |
| [15:49] | Taryn London cheers :) | |
| [15:49] | Bridie Linden: | I think there was an internal issue that Josh filed about scrolling text.. |
| [15:49] | Aric Linden thinks it should be sarts for all | |
| [15:49] | Bridie Linden: | Indeed! |
| [15:49] | Bridie Linden gives everyone gold sarts | |
| [15:49] | Taryn London: | Woot! |
| [15:49] | Torley Linden: | Hahah. And thus a legend was born... |
| [15:50] | Squirrel Wood demands golden acorns :p | |
| [15:50] | Aric Linden starts humming the bridie linden theme song | |
| [15:50] | Bridie Linden: | I'll follow up on this 5113 |
| [15:50] | Taryn London demands a new spot on our profiles to post our sarts. | |
| [15:50] | WarKirby Magojiro wonders what ths sounds like | |
| [15:50] | Bridie Linden lols | |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | A sart is born! |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden falls over | |
| [15:51] | Torley Linden: | =) |
| [15:51] | Squirrel Wood: | btw.. vwr-5096 is definitely a dupe even if the poster denies it. |
| [15:51] | Daedalus Young: | imagine the doctor telling you that after the birth of your son/daughter |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | I know Aric liked that one.. |
| [15:51] | Aric Linden: | Warkirby, imagine a cross between the cocteu twins, sigur ros and new skoolie hip hop |
| [15:51] | Torley Linden: | Squirrel, what's it a dupe of? |
| [15:51] | WarKirby Magojiro: | <.< |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5096[c] - Votes: 0 - Teleport resets volume in private voice call |
| [15:51] | Torley Linden: | Aric: That sounds pretty good! |
| [15:51] | Squirrel Wood: | voice chat volume resetting |
| [15:52] | Torley Linden: | I like Sigur Ros' song about hopping in puddles. It's so lush. |
| [15:52] | Aric Linden loves everything about sigur ros | |
| [15:52] | Bridie Linden thinks Torley is just trying to get in good w/Aric | |
| [15:52] | Taryn London chuckles | |
| [15:52] | Aric Linden: | listens to the new sigur ros 8 times a day |
| [15:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | sounds like the reporter is argueing the duplicate status |
| [15:53] | Torley Linden: | :D |
| [15:53] | Squirrel Wood: | my guess is it was closed as dupe before |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | No, I think the reporter filed a similar issue... |
| [15:53] | WarKirby Magojiro: | The next one looks troublesome |
| [15:53] | Harleen Gretzky: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2970 |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | let me look |
| [15:53] | Torley Linden: | Ahhh I see the history where Harleen resolved it as a dupe! |
| [15:53] | WarKirby Magojiro: | local lights extenfing too far |
| [15:54] | Taryn London: | *hugs* Hey Sime :) |
| [15:54] | Squirrel Wood: | local lights have a 10m radius... 20m diameter. |
| [15:54] | Simon Kline: | *hugs* |
| [15:54] | Bridie Linden: | This was the one we discussed last week VWR-4757 |
| [15:54] | Bridie Linden decline Moonlit Ocean Kimono picture from A group member named Kaiya Khondji. | |
| [15:54] | Harleen Gretzky: | was my guess but that was closed as a dupe https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2368 which I do thnk VWR-2970 is a dupe of VWR-2368 though |
| [15:55] | Jason Swain wonders if he might push SVC-1467 before the end | |
| [15:55] | Daedalus Young: | reporter could at least kept those issues as related |
| [15:55] | Torley Linden: | Yes. |
| [15:55] | Harleen Gretzky: | *do not think |
| [15:55] | Torley Linden: | I'll link them at least as related... |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | ty Torley |
| [15:55] | WarKirby Magojiro looks at SVC-1467 | |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | Yes, Jason! |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | Let's look @ that one |
| [15:55] | Jason Swain: | ^^ Thanks |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I never realised this was thought of as a bug |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | but the behaviour does seem inconsistent |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and it would make content creation a little smoother |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | But I must point out, the last comment is an utter lie |
| [15:56] | Squirrel Wood: | attachments get certain perms auto-granted.... common expected behavior |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'm using this extensively in my current project |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | yes, it is. The problem here is that it only applies to the root prims |
| [15:57] | WarKirby Magojiro: | child prims still require user confirmation |
| [15:57] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Is that intended behaviour? |
| [15:57] | Bridie Linden: | What's an example use? |
| [15:57] | Aric Linden: | afk |
| [15:57] | Squirrel Wood: | One use is ao scripts which remain running even in no-script zones |
| [15:58] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Right now, I have a modular hud system I'm working on |
| [15:58] | Squirrel Wood: | since they have keyboard focus |
| [15:58] | Harleen Gretzky: | Actually it is a dupe of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-424 |
| [15:58] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Each module is in it's own child prim, and requires control of the user's camera and animations |
| [15:58] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:58] | WarKirby Magojiro: | currently, they have to ask for this permission on initialisation, as they're not in the root |
| [15:58] | Jason Swain: | I found this bug when building a hud... to reduce sim lag I used serval prims and addressed inividual prims, but when in a no script zone its would be a nightmare to ask the user to accept permissions on each script |
| [15:59] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I consider the working in no script zones an exploit |
| [15:59] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and that's not really what this is for |
| [15:59] | Squirrel Wood: | Certain things like AOs and flight assists you want to keep working even in noscript zones |
| [15:59] | Jason Swain: | Still its an inconsistancy |
| [15:59] | WarKirby Magojiro: | The main thing at hand, is whether or not this behaviour is intentional |
| [16:00] | Squirrel Wood: | as having them not work sort of "breaks" your avatar |
| [16:00] | Jason Swain agrees with Squirrel | |
| [16:00] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Do any of the lindens here have an answer to that question ? |
| [16:00] | Bridie Linden: | Sounds worthy of an internal discussion |
| [16:00] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'd be all in favor of changing it |
| [16:00] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and it wouldn't break anything |
| [16:00] | WarKirby Magojiro: | just make lots of things work neater |
| [16:00] | Becky Pippen agrees enthusiastically | |
| [16:00] | Bridie Linden: | Some use cases added to comments might help your case :) |
| [16:01] | WarKirby Magojiro: | will do |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden: | Ty |
| [16:01] | Torley Linden: | I <3 use cases. |
| [16:01] | Taryn London: | afk |
| [16:01] | Squirrel Wood: | tiny avatar... |
| [16:01] | Squirrel Wood: | enter noscript zone... |
| [16:01] | Harleen Gretzky: | SVC-1467 is a dupe of SVC-424 though |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden: | I'm sorry I don't have more answers for you - but I"m sure Don and Steve will! |
| [16:01] | Squirrel Wood: | ao stops working... |
| [16:01] | Squirrel Wood: | you freak out... |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | so add comments to 424 instead? |
| [16:02] | Harleen Gretzky: | Which ever you pick to import 1467 has more votes |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | Let's keep 1467 then |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | It's past 4pm... |
| [16:02] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'm changing the issue title to be more clear too |
| [16:03] | Jason Swain: | \o/ Thanks ^^ |
| [16:03] | Bridie Linden: | Thanks all! |
| [16:03] | WarKirby Magojiro: | it's not isolated to the control permission |
| [16:03] | Squirrel Wood campaigns https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1134 for it needs more votes ^^ (Optional parcel/estate wide autoreturn of all items someone has rezzed when that person is banned from the parcel/estate.) XD | |
| [16:03] | Bridie Linden: | We really appreciate your time and help! |
| [16:03] | Torley Linden: | Yes thanks so much! It's been good. |
| [16:03] | Daedalus Young: | I'm glad to help out |
| [16:03] | Bridie Linden: | More gold sarts for all! |
| [16:03] | Squirrel Wood: | thanks for having us :) |
| [16:03] | Torley Linden: | We're all made of sarts! |
| [16:03] | Torley Linden: | ;) |
| [16:04] | Torley Linden: | Bye-bye for now... ^_^ |
| [16:04] | Daedalus Young: | all we are is sarts in the wind |
| [16:04] | Bridie Linden remembers to save transcript even | |