User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2008-01-10

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	Huzzah! Here's the man of the (office) hour :D
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	hi folks!
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	happy new year!
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	:-)
[15:03]	Kooky Jetaime:	HAHAHHA
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Hoppy Nude Deer to you too :)
[15:03]	Disconnected from in-world Voice Chat
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Or Hippy Gnu Ear :p
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	did everyone enjoy their holidays?
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood:	holidays? what's that?
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood:	Oh wait... that's the time when I get not paid ;)
[15:04]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood:	Did you have a dazzling holiday Benjamin?
[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	I did!
[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	in fact, we're so close with Dazzle I can hardly stand it!
[15:05]	Juigidy Waechter:	???
[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	the goal is to have a first look out the first week of February
[15:05]	Jacek Antonelli:	wooo
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	it's come a long way!
[15:06]	Squirrel Wood:	Yay!
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	since the last preview update
[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli:	ooh boy, I'm looking forward to it :D
[15:06]	aliceinwire Bleac:	hello everyone
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	we're in code now so I can't do anymore preview file updates
[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli:	*waves to alice*
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	hi aliceinwire :-)
[15:06]	aliceinwire Bleac:	:D
[15:06]	aliceinwire Bleac:	^_^
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	so Jacek, before I forget
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	I haven't forgotten about posting that list of technical requirements
[15:07]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:07]	aliceinwire Bleac:	i have install xml blueprint
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	did I send you a list last time?
[15:07]	aliceinwire Bleac:	for modify xml of SL
[15:07]	Jacek Antonelli:	yes, in a notecard, thanks :)
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	ok
[15:07]	aliceinwire Bleac:	file but i have some problem iwth it
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	there's one thing that I thought I'd toss out that would be really great to have someone in open source work on
[15:08]	Jacek Antonelli perks up
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	you know the login progress screen you see when you first login
[15:08]	Squirrel Wood:	I hope you decide to bundle dazzle with the windlight firstlook :)
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	we need someone to expose that to XML so we can define the layout in XUI
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	and make it attractive/readable
[15:08]	Squirrel Wood:	the one that takes an eternity and a half to show up when it decides to show up at all? ^^
[15:09]	aliceinwire Bleac:	what i have to do benjamin ?
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, the one with the giant progress bar down the middle
[15:09]	Jacek Antonelli:	The blue progress bar that fills up, and displays "Logging in..." "Precaching..." and the MOTD?
[15:09]	Jacek Antonelli:	'kay
[15:09]	SignpostMarv Martin thinks the whole XUI spec is butt ugly
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	haha yeah, tell me about it signpostmarv
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm in XUI a lot and it's very hard to work with
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	fortunately there's an internal dev team working to clean that up
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood:	You should make that blue bar rainbow colored and have it say WHOOOOOOSH! more often ;)
[15:10]	Jacek Antonelli:	lol
[15:10]	SignpostMarv Martin:	XUI is XML, yet it looks like HTML 3
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood:	last time I saw that one was april 1st 2007
[15:11]	SignpostMarv Martin:	I'd really prefer that XUI were stripped back to barebones XML, and was styled with CSS
[15:11]	Jacek Antonelli:	yeah, XUI is *not* fun to edit
[15:11]	SignpostMarv Martin finds an example
[15:11]	aliceinwire Bleac:	i like xui
[15:11]	SignpostMarv Martin:	it'd also help if it used XHTML elements
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	so anyway Jacek, I just thought I'd throw that out there as something to work on
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	Richard Linden said it would be fairly trivial to do
[15:12]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'll see if I can set aside some time for it
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	cool :-)
[15:13]	SignpostMarv Martin:	the combo_box element
[15:13]	SignpostMarv Martin:	wouldn't it make more sense to use <select> & <option> ?
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	see now you guys are getting all technical
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	:-)
[15:13]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:14]	SignpostMarv Martin:	people would find it easiser to edit XUI if it used familiar elements
[15:14]	SignpostMarv Martin:	from floater_snapshot.xml:
[15:14]	SignpostMarv Martin:	<text bottom_delta="-20" follows="top|left" height="15" left="10" name="type_label2" width="195"> What size image do you need? </text>
[15:14]	SignpostMarv Martin:	butt ugliness
[15:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oh, there was one question I just thought of -- are the width/height/left/top etc. attributes necessary for XUI anymore? I'm thinking in particular of the menus
[15:15]	aliceinwire Bleac:	sorry if i don't reply fast
[15:15]	aliceinwire Bleac:	i'm translating the language of the viewer
[15:15]	SignpostMarv Martin:	What size image do you need?
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	what do you mean Jacek?
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood:	Is there a klingon version of thr client yet? ^^
[15:16]	Jacek Antonelli:	*finds an example*
[15:16]	aliceinwire Bleac:	mmm
[15:16]	aliceinwire Bleac:	there is no in italian
[15:16]	Jacek Antonelli:	<menu_item_separator bottom="-370" enabled="true" height="8" hidden="false" label="-----------" left="0" mouse_opaque="true" name="separator7" width="153" />
[15:17]	SignpostMarv Martin:	hidden="false" ?
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure what you're asking, Jacek
[15:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	if we cut out the bottom="", height="", left="", and width=""... would it still work?
[15:17]	SignpostMarv Martin:	isn't that a bit redundant ?
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	oh yes
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	that should work
[15:17]	SignpostMarv Martin:	shouldn't hidden default to true ?
[15:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	Every item in the menu has those attributes too. It adds up to a big wall of text >_<
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	the problem is that when everything got converted to XUI they ran a script that output all the defaults into the markup files
[15:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	ahh
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	so you can't tell what's a default and what is actually needed
[15:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	lovely
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	yeah
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	:-(
[15:19]	Jacek Antonelli:	Well, I guess I could try removing them, and if everything breaks put some of them back. *grin*
[15:19]	SignpostMarv Martin:	there's mention on the wiki that XUI is being re-written
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	that's what I usually do :-)
[15:19]	Jacek Antonelli poses as postergirl for "Search/Replace Regexp.... for a cleaner future!!"
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	I think "re-written" might be overstating it
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	they are doing work on it
[15:20]	SignpostMarv Martin:	to "clean it up"
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	right
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	Cool. What sorts of things are they doing, do you know?
[15:20]	SignpostMarv Martin:	are they going to make it so it can be styled with CSS ? :-P
[15:21]	Camber Front Door: Christi Peccable is at the door.
[15:21]	Squirrel Wood:	technically it should be relatively easy to write a converter tool that strips off all the "default" values on the tags
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	Malbers spotted! *bweeee-ooo alarm sound*
[15:21]	Camber Front Door: Christi Peccable is at the door.
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	:)
[15:21]	Benjamin Linden:	no CSS styling sadly :-(
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	but there are eventually plans to do CSS-type things, with templates and whatnot
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	to be honest, I haven't been following the project that closely
[15:22]	Malbers Linden:	yes, my jellyfish is very scary.
[15:22]	SignpostMarv Martin:	another thing that bugs me,
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	I asked Steve Linden about it today and he said they weren't quite to the point where they wanted usability feedback on the API/markup
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Malbers
[15:22]	SignpostMarv Martin:	was there a reason why XUL wasn't used ?
[15:22]	aliceinwire Bleac:	hello malbers :)
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	those decisions pre-date me SignpostMarv
[15:23]	Jacek Antonelli:	Malbers: Oh! Is a jellyfish? I thought it was a cloud or wintery trees. Oops!
[15:23]	Jacek Antonelli:	I approve of jellyfish, though!
[15:23]	Kooky Jetaime:	Always thought Ghost
[15:23]	SignpostMarv Martin:	it's like, "hey, we're going to invent our our XML-UI language despite the existence of one that's broadly deployed"
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	malbers there's room on the couch by me if you want to sit down
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	although I might pop your tender membranes
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	:-)
[15:24]	SignpostMarv Martin:	it seems more feasible now with llmozlib
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood:	Hello Malbers :)
[15:24]	Jacek Antonelli:	Apparently everyone in the UI department is some sort of fantastic sea creature
[15:24]	Malbers Linden:	it' is required
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:24]	Malbers Linden:	howdy all.
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not a sea creature am I Jacek?
[15:24]	Malbers Linden:	sorry to be a distraction
[15:24]	Malbers Linden:	what about CSS and XML?
[15:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	I dunno, you could be, Ben!
[15:25]	Squirrel Wood:	I'm a sea creature too. I live within a sea of green. Atop the tallest trees :)
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	SignpostMarv was asking if the next version of XUI would be CSS-styleable
[15:25]	SignpostMarv Martin:	XUI looks like an attempt to reinvent the wheel, only the wheel came out square shaped
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	Perhaps it was designed that way, to fit in with the rest of the reinvented wheels. *evil grin*
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, we do seem to have a "roll your own" mentality here
[15:26]	Squirrel Wood:	Well, it improved from triangular shape to square shape ^^
[15:26]	SignpostMarv Martin:	one thing I find interesting,
[15:26]	SignpostMarv Martin:	is it's hypothetically possible to write SL as a Firefox extension
[15:26]	SignpostMarv Martin:	browser plugins can render 3D content within the browser window
[15:26]	SignpostMarv Martin:	^Shockwave, WildTangent
[15:27]	Jacek Antonelli:	Next we get pentagon, then hexagon... with enough iterations, we eventually approach roundness. :D
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	I would love to see that Signpost!
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	why don't you write it? :-)
[15:27]	SignpostMarv Martin:	I don't do that kind of development :-P
[15:27]	SignpostMarv Martin:	I reinvent LL's broken web API wheels
[15:28]	Jacek Antonelli:	All the memory consumption of Firefox, now with the crashes of SL! Two great tastes that taste great together.
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	FYI, Signpost, that word is spelled "tendency"
[15:28]	SignpostMarv Martin:	hrm ?
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	in your floating text
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	"signpostmarv has a tendency to multitask"
[15:28]	SignpostMarv Martin:	Firefox has built-in spell check support
[15:29]	SignpostMarv Martin:	:-P
[15:29]	SignpostMarv Martin:	there's another thing
[15:29]	Jacek Antonelli:	lol
[15:29]	Jacek Antonelli:	So what sort of things are they doing on XUI these days, Ben?
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	long-term I would love to see a light-weight browser plugin
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	like I said, Jacek, I don't have many details on that project
[15:29]	Jacek Antonelli:	ah, I guess I missed that
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	right now it's mostly deep code work
[15:30]	Jacek Antonelli:	'kay
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	the interesting stuff is just getting started
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	the stuff that will enable true "skinning"
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	making the UI more data-driven
[15:30]	Jacek Antonelli:	Cool beans :)
[15:31]	SignpostMarv Martin:	slimline XUI with JS and CSS support :-P
[15:31]	Jacek Antonelli:	Do it now! Or he'll shoot me! :O
[15:31]	SignpostMarv Martin:	MUHAHAHAA
[15:32]	Jacek Antonelli:	o_O
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	whoa, nice gun
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	that thing is sweet!
[15:32]	SignpostMarv Martin:	gimme CSS + JS or the jelly fish gets it :-P
[15:32]	Jacek Antonelli:	lol
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	HAHAHHA
[15:33]	Malbers Linden:	yeah, getting a little hot over here.
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	oh my god, that's hilarious
[15:33]	Jacek Antonelli:	Only in SL, right?
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	good thing I'm safe up in Seattle
[15:33]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli tests Marv for a pulse
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:35]	SignpostMarv Martin grumbles about this typing lag thing
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	so let's see, what else can we ask these folks Malbers?
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	I already updated them on dazzle
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	I guess I'd like to know how new search is working for everyone?
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	any opinions? suggestions?
[15:36]	Malbers Linden:	people getting better search results?
[15:36]	Sougent Harrop:	Option to open map instead of jsut a teleport buttone that takes you off.
[15:36]	SignpostMarv Martin:	I'm loving it for scraping data :-P
[15:36]	SignpostMarv Martin:	though it could be better
[15:36]	aliceinwire Bleac:	for me yes
[15:37]	Benjamin Linden:	Sougent, are you referring to Landmarks?
[15:37]	Sougent Harrop:	When yu search and get a hit on a place that has a teleport button, your only option is tot teleport
[15:37]	Benjamin Linden:	oh there's no "show on map" button
[15:37]	Sougent Harrop:	Sometimes I search for future travel
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	That's a good idea
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	Add the Show on Map
[15:38]	Sougent Harrop:	Also, perhaps a way to set a beacon to the individual items like in a store, it gives the coordinates but it'd be nice to click on that and get a beacon showing where it's at
[15:38]	SignpostMarv Martin notices the parcel isn't searchable
[15:39]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hrmm. Is there a way to search specifically for "things"? Objects?
[15:39]	Sougent Harrop:	What else, tehre was another thing that bugged me
[15:39]	Sougent Harrop:	With peoples profiles
[15:39]	SignpostMarv Martin:	there is no object option
[15:39]	SignpostMarv Martin:	nothing stopping me from scraping it and making one though :-P
[15:39]	Jacek Antonelli:	That would be another nice addition
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli:	There's People... there's Places... but no Things :D
[15:40]	Benjamin Linden:	good point
[15:40]	Sougent Harrop:	Oh, I Think it was taht you click on peoples picks and can't go to them because they are private or something, but if you bring up their profiel you can.
[15:41]	Sougent Harrop:	Yet the links are clicable
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	I think that has to do with how people are setting their privacy settings
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	I'll find out for sure
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	after the meeting
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	has All search supplanted your need to use the other search tabs?
[15:42]	Squirrel Wood:	no
[15:42]	Jacek Antonelli:	I have to admit that I rarely use the All search... maybe just force of habit?
[15:42]	Sougent Harrop:	Sometimes it's nice to focus ones search
[15:42]	SignpostMarv Martin:	I use the google search appliance via firefox
[15:42]	Sougent Harrop:	Though if all tabs used it, would be ok
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood:	usually for zero day griefer accounts the all search is ineffective
[15:43]	SignpostMarv Martin:	http://secondlife.com/app/search/search_proxy.php?q=Linden%20site:world.secondlife.com/resident/
[15:43]	Sougent Harrop:	And yes, perhaps it's just tha tI'm used to the tabs rather than using the category dropdown
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	ah interesting point, Squirrel
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	because they haven't been indexed yet?
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood:	yep
[15:44]	SignpostMarv Martin:	does LL generate sitemap.xml files for the world.secondlife.com domain ?
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	wow nice job hijacking the viewer search, Signpost :-)
[15:45]	SignpostMarv Martin:	http://svc.sl.net.marvulous.co.uk/resident/Blue%20Linden/mentioned/
[15:45]	Sougent Harrop:	Also, with profiles and groups, the current search gives you the whole deal in the results, no need to click a button to view full profile.
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	Sougent, there's room on the couch next to me if you'd like to move closer
[15:45]	SignpostMarv Martin:	^cross referenced picks :-P
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	I don't know the answer to your question Signpost
[15:46]	Jacek Antonelli:	I think Marv is just showing off ;P
[15:46]	SignpostMarv Martin:	:-3
[15:46]	SignpostMarv Martin:	if LL generated the sitemaps and poked them in google's direction via the webmaster tools, peeps could use google itself to search SL
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	My habitual tendency is to open up the specific tab of the search window that I want to find... e.g. if I'm looking for a person, I search the People tab.
[15:47]	SignpostMarv Martin:	e.g. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Linden%20site%3Aworld.secondlife.com/resident/
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	Jacek, you should try using all and see how that works for you
[15:47]	SignpostMarv Martin:	Governor Linden is the top result :-P
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	interesting, Signpost!
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'll try. Hard to derail a year and a half of habit, hehehe
[15:48]	Benjamin Linden:	haha yeah I know
[15:48]	Sougent Harrop:	Well, when I know I'm searching for people or groups, I used the old search on purpose becuase I prefe that the usable profile comes up in the results
[15:49]	Benjamin Linden:	as opposed to the web profile, Sougent?
[15:49]	Benjamin Linden:	what do you mean by "usable"?
[15:49]	Sougent Harrop:	Well yes, on the all search I have to click on the button to bring up the profile
[15:49]	Benjamin Linden:	what functionality are you usually looking for?
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	Ah. Stuff like IMing or TPing
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	That's one common time I use Search People -- if someone says I should IM person XYZ
[15:50]	Sougent Harrop:	Do a search for a group, when you select one you get the whole profiel screen that can be used
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	and they aren't on my friend's list
[15:51]	Sougent Harrop:	Same with people, you get the profile, you don't have to bring it up
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	I see
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	yeah it's an interesting problem in the UI right now
[15:52]	SignpostMarv Martin fetches something
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	because we show the same UI even if you can't edit anything
[15:52]	SignpostMarv Martin:	secondlife:///app/agent/825c069e-8a98-4bfc-ae3b-0b6616207ca6/about
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	so like we show the entire Groups UI even if you're not in that group
[15:52]	Sougent Harrop:	In the old search the usabillity factor with the results is better with profiles for people and groups
[15:53]	SignpostMarv Martin:	^Plastic Duck's profile
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	because of the direct link?
[15:53]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oh -- there is one time that I consistently use the All tab. That's if I'm searching for a specific product.
[15:53]	Jacek Antonelli:	Say I want to buy a Flying Fizz (the boat). So I search for Flying Fizz, to see where they are for sale
[15:53]	Sougent Harrop:	Yes....I could search for harrop say, and then click each one and see the profile to the right......right down the list.
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, I liked that aspect of the old search as well
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	I would like us to do something like that, maybe with AJAX
[15:55]	Sougent Harrop:	And if I select the picks tab, for example, I can look at the picks for each result I click on
[15:55]	Benjamin Linden:	signpost, what does it mean on this page you linked when it says "Reviews mentioning such-and-such"?
[15:55]	Benjamin Linden:	good point Sougent
[15:56]	SignpostMarv Martin:	Benjamin: I cross-referenced "picks" and looked for picks mentioning the Resident in question
[15:56]	Sougent Harrop:	Or another example is the Land Sales tab, can you duplicate that searchability with the all search? Then sort by price or area.
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	but what is the transcript beneath it?
[15:57]	SignpostMarv Martin:	those would be the picks
[15:58]	Sougent Harrop:	The functionality of the existing search tabs, with the exception of the old all tab, is pretty good.
[15:58]	SignpostMarv Martin:	look in the relevent in-world profiles
[15:58]	Sougent Harrop:	Just would be nice if the search on keywords was better
[15:58]	Benjamin Linden:	no, like on your page that says "Reviews mentioning SignpostMarv" it says:
[15:58]	Benjamin Linden:	[16:06] Blue Linden: I haven't even been in this session @_@ [16:06] Chase Rutherford: hehe [16:06] SignpostMarv Martin: tis from the aforementioned bug
[15:58]	Sougent Harrop:	But the results and laayout work, at least for me
[15:58]	Benjamin Linden:	looks like chat transcripts?
[15:59]	SignpostMarv Martin:	yes.....
[15:59]	SignpostMarv Martin:	look at my picks
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	People put chat transcripts in their picks sometimes
[15:59]	SignpostMarv Martin:	in my in-world profile
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	oh you can do that?
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	interesting
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	what purpose does that serve?
[16:01]	SignpostMarv Martin:	what purpose does what serve ?
[16:01]	Benjamin Linden:	putting chat transcripts in picks
[16:01]	Jacek Antonelli:	Save funny quotes ^_^
[16:01]	Kooky Jetaime:	Which is against the TOS I believer...or is it CS.
[16:01]	Kooky Jetaime:	heh
[16:01]	SignpostMarv Martin:	only if you don't have consent
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	one thing that I find bad about the search is the keyword abuse that is going on
[16:01]	Kooky Jetaime:	How many people do you ask before you do it? :)
[16:02]	Benjamin Linden:	in All search?
[16:02]	SignpostMarv Martin:	one advantage of the cross-referencing i'm doing is that you'd be able to see who's made comments about you so you could have them removed more easily
[16:02]	Benjamin Linden:	interesting
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	oops we're out of time folks!
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	gotta run
[16:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	Take care Ben!
[16:03]	Squirrel Wood:	eeep
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for coming
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	see you next week!
[16:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	*waves*
[16:03]	aliceinwire Bleac:	see ya benjamion