User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2007-07-13

6 AM

Torley Linden: Hello everyone! Good to see you here!!
Laetizia Coronet: yeah let's see if I can stick t out here this time around :)
Simon Kline: hi Torley :D
McCabe Maxsted: i really want to make more products though now, it's so much fun
Lyndsey Forager: cool bat!
Laetizia Coronet: hi Torley!
McCabe Maxsted: ahoy torley!
Torley Linden: Yipes, gotta wait for everything to rez in!
Hazelee Haller: good morning, Torley
Torley Linden: So that's the spare chair!
Angsty Rossini: Hey Torley
Angsty Rossini: Spare cushio up here :)
Torley Linden: Glad to see you all here already! =D
Torley Linden: Hehehe
Torley Linden: I was like "wahaaaaaa"
Tinsel Silvera: good morning!
McCabe Maxsted: we're the early birds and youre our worm :)
Angsty Rossini: good evening :)
Laetizia Coronet: Torley if I can stay here, we ca delete last weeks issue :)
Torley Linden: Good morning! Depending on which part of the world you are in.
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Torley Linden: Hahahahaha.
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Which one?
Torley Linden: I don't have a worm avatar yet, BTW. Many creatures, not yet a worm.
Laetizia Coronet: that where I crashed and couldn't enter Grasmere
Torley Linden: And Sylver Bu made my av -- she's on Teen Grid, what a talent.
Torley Linden: Oh Laetizia, okay, yeah we can close that out... glad you could make it in again.
Lyndsey Forager: if you were a work - you could cut yourself in half and work and play at the same time
Lyndsey Forager: *work
Laetizia Coronet: lots of talent in TSL! Iridium wears one, and BLue...
Lyndsey Forager: worm
McCabe Maxsted: hahaha
McCabe Maxsted: that would rock
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Gangus Carter, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
McCabe Maxsted: two heads better than one
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Lyndsey Forager: so true
Buster Sword: releasing controls
Torley Linden: Yes, I'd like to know more about TSL talent but haven't had much of a chance to really explore there, let alone the "Main Grid"...
Torley Linden: I'm currently running an early internal WindLight viewer...
Torley Linden: It looks really pretty here I must say.
Laetizia Coronet: hm.. perks of being a Linden is to have access to TSL
McCabe Maxsted: oooh
Tinsel Silvera: good entrance!
McCabe Maxsted nudges you for source
Gangus Carter: lol
Torley Linden: Oooooh.
Laetizia Coronet: yeah, drop on by :)
Angsty Rossini: Do they play nicer on the Teen Grid than we do here?
Torley Linden: Hahaha McCabe well I believe it's in the source repository actually, if you know how to build your own viewer...
Torley Linden: Angsty: In some respects, I think there is more of a wide-eyed curiosity, but that comes with youth...
McCabe Maxsted: oh cool; I'll build one later, curious to see how the sky's fixed
Torley Linden: I certainly have known of griefing on TG...
Tinsel Silvera: i would think the TG griefing would be more in fun than malicious
McCabe Maxsted: how do you grief on the tg? Angry posts to myspace?
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Hazelee Haller: lol
Tinsel Silvera: good one
Torley Linden: Hahah... well you can still shoot and cage....
Angsty Rossini: hee
Laetizia Coronet: you can throw temper tantrums ;)
Torley Linden: Sometimes those who haven't read the Community Standards don't know what is griefing...
Hazelee Haller: :)
Tinsel Silvera: i read that they can't take all their clothes off - is that true?
McCabe Maxsted: hehe
Torley Linden: Yes, effectively so, Tinsel -- no Mature material there, must be PG.
Tinsel Silvera: ah
Angsty Rossini: permanent underwear :)
Tinsel Silvera: so they grief out of frustration {:o)
Lyndsey Forager: i suppose they can make clothes with 100% alpha
Hazelee Haller: They must be dying to get over here just to see what they look like. :)
Laetizia Coronet: That is a bit odd if you ask me
Lyndsey Forager: if they really wanted to
McCabe Maxsted: or nudie clothes
Torley Linden: Yeah, there are always workarounds and loopholes, but when those are spotted, they'd still get in trouble.
Laetizia Coronet: yeah when I was new I had nipples underwear ;)
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Hazelee Haller: lol
Lyndsey Forager: do they get sent to their room?
McCabe Maxsted: hahaha
Laetizia Coronet: lol
Tinsel Silvera: i believe we are now officially derailed
Laetizia Coronet: stand in the corner with a dunce hat
Hazelee Haller: yees.
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Torley Linden: Haha, well, it's an interesting balance, isn't it... people grow up and you want to help them develop into adulthood, yet curiosity is such a driving importance of your youthful experiences...
Torley Linden: I laughed so hard at Secondfest awhile back... some of the hats there looked like dunce hats.
Hazelee Haller: in the meantime, they wait and create.
Torley Linden: And people were dancing... I couldn't help but say "dancing dunces"!
Torley Linden: I didn't mean that in a bad way of course.
Lyndsey Forager: lol
McCabe Maxsted: hahaha
Simon Kline: lol
Tinsel Silvera: apparently one 15 year old has been very productive with her time
Laetizia Coronet: lol do you have a Flickr shot of that?
Torley Linden: I know some teens who eventually graduated to MG have brought their whole portfolios with them... to have successful jobs here...
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Uh, one... sec...
McCabe Maxsted: very cool
Laetizia Coronet: oh no never mind, don't bother
Torley Linden: Tell me that doesn't look like a dunce hat or what -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/688151998/
Lexa Pro: mornin', kids.
Tinsel Silvera: hello lexa
Lyndsey Forager: i was at the PETA thing yesterday - some woodbury university peeps were trying to cause touble
Torley Linden: Mornin'!
McCabe Maxsted wishes there'd been a Tg when he was a teen
Daedalus Young: they were exactly like these: http://www.chrisnash.net/images/records/psb_cyfh.jpg
Tinsel Silvera: me too mccabe
Torley Linden: Woodbury University is closed?
Tinsel Silvera: yes
Lyndsey Forager: they were wearing tags that said that
Tinsel Silvera: don't you read the blogs torley?
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Pavig Lok, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Hazelee Haller: lol
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Pavig Lok, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Tinsel Silvera: it was blogged about many many many times
Laetizia Coronet: He does, and responds too
Torley Linden: Sadly I don't read *all* the blogs... I do read some...
Tinsel Silvera: i know {:o)
Torley Linden: the news I read is mainly in my areas of specialty.
Tinsel Silvera: i just read what feeds into planet.worldofsl
Daedalus Young: I can't even read all the blogs
Torley Linden: I'm not in Governance/Abuse so I don't really know much about that.
McCabe Maxsted: i thought it was a quasi university place, from what i read on sli
Torley Linden: It sure sounds like one of those "Only in Second Life" things.
Lyndsey Forager: lol, the signs were funny at the PETA even - "kepp fur on the furries"
Tinsel Silvera: lol
McCabe Maxsted: HAHA
Tinsel Silvera: amen
Hazelee Haller: :)
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... DAODE Loon, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Laetizia Coronet: yeah that's a dunce hat alright :)
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... DAODE Loon, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
McCabe Maxsted: "I yiff for peta"
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... DAODE Loon, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Torley Linden: Long... tall... cone...
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Torley Linden: McCabe: Now there's a collision of cultures!
Torley Linden: "Spay and neuter..." uh...
McCabe Maxsted: an entire subclass of activism!
Torley Linden: HAHAHA.
Tinsel Silvera: i know
Lyndsey Forager: ha ha ha
Torley Linden: It's just so interesting seeing like, urban hip-hop types talk to university professors and such on here.
Tinsel Silvera: pam anderson is coming inworld for the next peta demonstration
Torley Linden: I always like hearing about unique blends like that and learning more.
Lyndsey Forager: really?
Tinsel Silvera: yes
Torley Linden: Pam Anderson will have an avatar that looks like her too?
Laetizia Coronet: Tinsel, she won't stand out amidst the usual avatars
Hazelee Haller: now we have everyone's attention
McCabe Maxsted: it's fascinated! I discovered a friend of mine was a 60 year old design professor
Tinsel Silvera: apparently and it will be nude bed=hind a banner
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Pavig Lok, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Torley Linden: She'll be pleased to know she's had many forerunners... who can help her out. :o)
Lyndsey Forager: she will not have the biggest chest in sl - lol
Tinsel Silvera: behind that is
McCabe Maxsted: and he went around wearing a "spank my monkey" shirt
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: We gotta show her the sculptie stores, right? ;)
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Pavig Lok, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Laetizia Coronet: I do have a slow Baywatch run for her if she wants :D
Lyndsey Forager: ha - so true!
Tinsel Silvera: in SL she will be just one of many beautiful women
Tinsel Silvera: laetizia lol
McCabe Maxsted: haha
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Haha, and there's a lot of David Hasselhoff textures I think.
Hazelee Haller: true tinsel
Lyndsey Forager: the baywatch run is so funny
Lyndsey Forager: i love the slow mo
DAODE Loon: hello ebveryone
Torley Linden: Oh how the tides have turned... Pam Anderson, I wonder if she picked an av unlike her RL self... what would it be like...
Tinsel Silvera: hello haode
Laetizia Coronet: ugh, Haselhoff
Tinsel Silvera: daode
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Chase Marellan, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Chase Marellan, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Hazelee Haller: hello daode
Lexa Pro: wow, a 'hoff avatar would be pretty sweet. i must go shopping.
McCabe Maxsted: have you seen hasselhoff's music vid?
Torley Linden: I like the Baywatch run and the Bionic Man jump.
Torley Linden: Put them together and you may have something fantastic.
Laetizia Coronet: Maybe she comes as a furry
Tinsel Silvera: bionic man
Lyndsey Forager: brilliant
Torley Linden: I've seen Hasselhoff's "Hooked on a Feeling". INCREDIBLE RUSH OF HILARITY.
McCabe Maxsted: I KNOW!
Tinsel Silvera: actaully mccabe can do that jump now
Lexa Pro: ooga-chaka
Simon Kline: hehehe yes!
Laetizia Coronet: Tor we could download that bionic man sound
Tinsel Silvera: yes
Tinsel Silvera: we need that sound in here
Torley Linden: Ch-ch-ch-ch-chhhhhhhhh!
Torley Linden: *slam dunk*
McCabe Maxsted: haha so true
Tinsel Silvera: very good torley
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Tinsel Silvera: hello pavig
Torley Linden: Again glad to see you all here and welcome to my Office Hour... =D
Lyndsey Forager: i will didg out a red swimsuit
Pavig Lok: hello peoples
McCabe Maxsted: can someone send me the baywatch run?
Tinsel Silvera: hey chase
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Laetizia Coronet: right, to go with that building thing with those glowing balls ccoming from your hands
Chase Marellan: Hey, all
Torley Linden: And just to let you guys know, in case you miss a week and want to catch up or whatever, I'm posting transcripts...
Torley Linden: @ https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden
McCabe Maxsted: oh, coolness
DAODE Loon: sorry i didnt bring anything watermelon related torley
Lyndsey Forager: really? excellent
Tinsel Silvera: cool
Daedalus Young: yes, I noticed
McCabe Maxsted: transcripts are a great idea
Torley Linden: No worries DAODE! Nice to have you here.
Torley Linden: Yeah, I know some other Lindens have been doing it, and it's useful to keep a tally of "Hey what was that cool link?"
DAODE Loon: thnx
McCabe Maxsted: i read benjamin's
Torley Linden: As always if you have cool places you've been inworld lately, please send me landmarks... I love exploring.
Torley Linden: It's been great helping Benjamin with his UI Bug Triages...
Daedalus Young: that was fun
Pavig Lok: er yer can come to sim i just finished kinda if you want to look
Hazelee Haller: will do
McCabe Maxsted: thanks lae!
Daedalus Young: gives you a good feeling of progress being made
DAODE Loon gave you The LOLO PET SHOP (main store).
Laetizia Coronet: np McCabe :)
Torley Linden: Right on *gets landmarks*
McCabe Maxsted: I really want LL to hold a UI creation contest
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: How so McCabe?
McCabe Maxsted: so it'll give people incentive to come up with something other than the communicate window
Torley Linden: Pavig: The big house you've been working on, Greenies?
Pavig Lok gave you Greenies Home Rezzable PREVIEW (sim pav has been working on).
McCabe Maxsted: like a winamp skin for sl
Pavig Lok: yups
Torley Linden: Right on, Pavig, that is such a fun place to be -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/790249340/
McCabe Maxsted: oh, that place is fun!
Torley Linden: McCabe: By the way, do you recommend any UI mockup tools?
Pavig Lok: heee thanks :P not finished yet but it gettin there
McCabe Maxsted: I've been using photoshop strictly out of habit
Torley Linden: There was a related topic I was thinking of... Residents who want to attach pictures of UI mockups to Issue Tracker issues, but don't know how to make them...
Lyndsey Forager: I was wondering if anyone had ideas on what i could get a young guy for his 24th Birthday - he is a dj in sl - any suggestions?
Tinsel Silvera: hello jurin
Torley Linden: Ahhh. I know we have a new User Experience Designer, Erica, and she's made some really cool Photoshop mockups.
Jurin Juran: hey
Hazelee Haller: lol
Laetizia Coronet: Lyndsay, he has his own show? I could make him a custom shirt or jacket
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: Hm... that's a good question... what kinda music does he DJ?
Tinsel Silvera: hello scope
Lyndsey Forager: wow, yes
Torley Linden: Heyhey!
Scope Cleaver: Hello Tinsel
McCabe Maxsted: get him rocket boots :)
Tinsel Silvera: hello phil
Lyndsey Forager: he is very dancy - electronica and uk indie
Laetizia Coronet: always glad to push my own business :D
Lexa Pro: he's hired.
Lexa Pro: =)
Tinsel Silvera: hey deathlok
Torley Linden: Hmmm Lyndsey, does he already have a nice pair of prim headphones?
Pavig Lok: oooOOooo has anyone noticed the supercolorful interface issue yet?
Deathlok Mills: hi
Tinsel Silvera: how are you today?
Lyndsey Forager: i dont think so - thats a good idea
Deathlok Mills: dood you
Tinsel Silvera: good same
McCabe Maxsted: does erica hold office hours? I emailed benjamin about doing some opensource ui's but haven't heard back. Would love to talk to her
Deathlok Mills: dont see you yet
Torley Linden: There's this one particular model that's hard to create, the Sony MDJ-700, but done in prims, it looks amazing. I've seen two Residents make inspired versions of it over time... the first was Ezequal Torgeson... the seocnd I do not know.
McCabe Maxsted: haha
Tinsel Silvera: i am in front of you sitting
Lyndsey Forager: cool
McCabe Maxsted: a friend of ine bought that irl because of the one in sl, torley!
Deathlok Mills: o
Torley Linden: McCabe: Great question, she doesn't yet. Neither does Gillian (another new UI expert), but they eventually will I believe. IMing them and letting them know your interest may help too.
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Torley Linden: McCabe: Really? HAWT. :D
Deathlok Mills: i see you now
McCabe Maxsted: :) thanks
Torley Linden: I have real MDJ-700s... but that is cool.
Laetizia Coronet: Torley, you don't own rights to the name Torgeson, do you?
Torley Linden: Laetizia: No I don't. haha.
Torley Linden: I am an ex-Torgeson for anyone who knows my history...
Torley Linden: I used to be Torley Torgeson, aka T2
Lyndsey Forager: lol, t2
Torley Linden: That was before I started working at Linden Lab.
Laetizia Coronet: good, I am making a race truck with phoney sposoring
Torley Linden: Haha Laetizia, I wanna see that, you're doing all the decals and stuff?
Laetizia Coronet: one is Torgeson Performance in Watermelon colors
Laetizia Coronet: yep
Tinsel Silvera: cool
Lyndsey Forager: there cant be many folks that have changed their name on sl
Laetizia Coronet: another one is Rosedale Interim Management hehehe
Torley Linden: Hahahah I like the sound of that Laetizia -- that's great.
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: Yes, very few comparatively speaking.
Deathlok Mills: well i g2g so bye
Torley Linden: I have often found myself falling into odd situations.
Tinsel Silvera: bye
Torley Linden: Bye Deathlok, thanks for coming!
Hazelee Haller: bye deathlok
Lyndsey Forager: it would be nice if partners could change their surname
McCabe Maxsted: take care!
Chase Marellan: bye
DAODE Loon: bye
Tinsel Silvera: i agree lyndsey
Chase Marellan: Lyndsey: I'll second that
Gangus Carter: im finally not wearing my evil avatar lol
McCabe Maxsted: i wonder if you can get around banlists if you change your name
Laetizia Coronet: it would be nce if people could change name anyway
Torley Linden: Yeah, that's been something wanted for a long time.
Chase Marellan: by the time I convinced my wife to sign up, Marellan was off the list.
Torley Linden: "Name changes" are one of those big floating clouds... that we never forget about.
Tinsel Silvera: can we buy names now?
Chase Marellan: Why's it so difficult?
Hazelee Haller: yes, we all have wishes for names that are now gone
Laetizia Coronet: In Italy people keep their own last name when married - a sig of emancipation if you ask me
McCabe Maxsted: i'm pretty sure there was a blogpost about buying new names
Tinsel Silvera: i saw that as well
Hazelee Haller: yes, can we buy a name that is gone
Tinsel Silvera: but it was in the works so to speak
Lyndsey Forager: a girl i work with was the last person in her family with aird as a surname - her husband took her surname
Chase Marellan: Hazelee: do you have info on that?
Laetizia Coronet: and businesses can buy names like MillionsOfUs
Chase Marellan: Oh, you said "can we" not "we can".
Chase Marellan: sorry. :)
Torley Linden: Hazelee, I don't recall us making that offer.
Hazelee Haller: no, I don't. I wish I did -- just read something in the blogs
Torley Linden: Oh, pardon, I misread too!
Torley Linden: :X
Tinsel Silvera: i read in the blogs as well
Hazelee Haller: maybe I mistyped
McCabe Maxsted: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-195
Tinsel Silvera: so once a name is retired it is gone forever torley?
Pavig Lok: i like that ou can't choose your name - it a bit dehumanizing being called "pavig <insert corporation here>"
Chase Marellan: No, we just misread. :)
McCabe Maxsted: for those who want to vote :)
Torley Linden: A long time ago we did have meetings inworld to ask for suggestions with this.
Hazelee Haller: :)
Torley Linden: Yes Tinsel, that's correct.
Tinsel Silvera: ah
Torley Linden: Names are kinda like beanie babies that way.
McCabe Maxsted: how long does it take for new names to come into use?
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Laetizia Coronet: Pavig in protest I'd pick the first ame "Drone" :)
Tinsel Silvera: can i quote you on that? {:o)
McCabe Maxsted: i've noticed a lot of the same last name lately
Hazelee Haller: I am not sure I want to be a beanie baby. :)
Pavig Lok: heh
Tinsel Silvera: that would be a great opening line for my blog today
McCabe Maxsted: haha
Lexa Pro: a friend of mine just had a heck of a time finding a common female name for her account.
Lexa Pro: took us about an hour to find something that worked, easily.
Laetizia Coronet: strange
Pavig Lok: i like it.. it give an indication of vintage, like if you meet someone with a surname you often know their age give or take
Daedalus Young: for last name changes on partnership, vote for it at https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-195
Laetizia Coronet: yes I like that too, a Coronet is late 2006
Lexa Pro: might be time to roll out new last names.
Lyndsey Forager: i dont see many foragers now
Chase Marellan: Thanks, Daedalus
Daedalus Young: yw
Tinsel Silvera: question - can you change your last name if the one you want has not yet been retired?
McCabe Maxsted: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-382
Hazelee Haller: I would love to see a whole new list of names come on board
McCabe Maxsted: also don't forget ts one
Torley Linden: Tinsel: No, unfortunately generally not...
Tinsel Silvera: okay
Chase Marellan: You can't change your name unless you get a job with Linden.
Torley Linden: It's an intriguing history...
Torley Linden: because last names used to be retired after, say, 150 uses.
Hazelee Haller: Ok. I want to get a job with Linden. :)
Tinsel Silvera: just asking since all this is going back and forth
Torley Linden: Now, it's in the high thousands, because we get so many new registrants a day entering Second Life.
Simon Kline: how do the surnames get selected?
Tinsel Silvera: Linden name is forever! {:o)
Laetizia Coronet: ah
McCabe Maxsted: google search simon? haha
Torley Linden: Simon: There used to be internal Linden suggestions... and then a new list would be put up. It was an office game, "Hey everyone, let's have a theme and pick some names!"
Laetizia Coronet: that explains the Ohs and the Loons ev erywhere
Simon Kline: hahahah cool
Torley Linden: Nowadays they come up in themes still I think...
Torley Linden: but too many Lindens to poll. We have something like 200+ employees now.
Tinsel Silvera: it is intersting the last names and the sim names
Laetizia Coronet: Torley get some international avis to raid their phone books for names
Torley Linden: A funny name for an alt would be "Tooney Loons"...
Tinsel Silvera: wow - LL is growing fast
Simon Kline: if you guys ever need suggestions we could come up with some here i'm sure
Tinsel Silvera: lol
McCabe Maxsted: hahaha
Torley Linden: Haha OMG someone took tooney Loon.
McCabe Maxsted: that's awesome!
Lyndsey Forager: i have notice there are lots of regions with names of tiny scottish places - i cant remember them offhand
Laetizia Coronet: I know an LZ Loon - straight Vietnam reference
Tinsel Silvera: it is hard to come up with first names
Torley Linden: Yeah -- I think we need a better system, because there would be no end of shortage of last names, that's for sure.
Tinsel Silvera: there are so many picking so fast
Torley Linden: Regions also have themes...
Pavig Lok: you might enjoy proust tinsel. he got a whole chapter just about the names of train stations :P
Tinsel Silvera: like the caledon regions
Torley Linden: Some of the weirder-named regions came about because of Jack's interest in sci-fi.
McCabe Maxsted: my fav name i've seen in sl was Sexin Graves
Laetizia Coronet: lol
Tinsel Silvera: i will check that out pavig
Tinsel Silvera: oh i like that
Laetizia Coronet: thsat's gross
Lexa Pro: my favorite, to date, has been "johnson colossus"
Simon Kline: i love the surnames that's been used i'm finding relations i never knew i had
Hazelee Haller: gross but unique
Laetizia Coronet: I know a Humble Showboat :)
Daedalus Young: PleaseWakeMeUp Idler is a good one
Chase Marellan: I'd be interested to see if any last names disappear entirely when you kill off the never-been-logged accounts.
Tinsel Silvera: some of the people you meet and it is hard not to laugh at the names
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Hazelee Haller: Daed that is a good one
McCabe Maxsted: hahaha
Lyndsey Forager: do accounts that have been long time abandoned get deleted?
DAODE Loon gave you SWAT HQ, Mega Resort (206, 95, 23).
Hazelee Haller: Yes, what happens when people go away -- will their names ever come up?
Torley Linden: Oh great thanks for the landmark DAODE.
Laetizia Coronet: maybe I should have picked Coroner Coronet
Torley Linden: Hazelee: When an account is closed, you mean?
Tinsel Silvera: maybe recylcle the dead account names
Torley Linden: And it depends...
Torley Linden: OK, say for example, someone owns land, but doesn't pay for it...
Torley Linden: And they never log in...
Hazelee Haller: Yes, they may have had a name that I really wanted --
Daedalus Young: I always thought Lolizia would fit you better, Laetizia :P
Lexa Pro: livejournal is doing that now, releasing long-dead account names.
Torley Linden: So they get marked as Delinquent, and then their account is disabled, so no, they won't show up in Search.
Randal Kline: reused names will have a big effect on creations
Laetizia Coronet: yes some of those griefer alts hog the cool names
Torley Linden: But we don't recycle or reuse names.
Tinsel Silvera: i read that LL was purging the dead accounts
Tinsel Silvera: i know laetizia
Torley Linden: We haven't begun a purge yet that I know of, but I know there's been internal discussion about it...
Chase Marellan: There's been external talk abut it too.
Torley Linden: May free up some load.
Tinsel Silvera: i wuld think it would
Chase Marellan: I think it was on the economic statistics page
Pavig Lok: it would be horrible to end up with the name of an ex griefer alt still on banlinks and such
Torley Linden: Especially concerns of people who ask, "All these accounts are taking up space and doing nothing, really."
Torley Linden: Ahh.
McCabe Maxsted: i really hope you don't recycle names. There are some people's names i don't want to ever see agian
Lexa Pro: but yeah, if the people who used to use the names created objects that are still in-world, that'd be a database issue, wouldn't it?
Tinsel Silvera: that would be bad pavig
Lyndsey Forager: its a huge number - over 8 million resis now
Laetizia Coronet: Do you consider meanigs of names in different languages? For example, a famous Dutch detective (fiction) is called De Cock
Tinsel Silvera: wow
Chase Marellan: But wait a minute, isn't everything actually stored by UUID internally?
Hazelee Haller: :)
Torley Linden: Yeah, it feels kinda weird, I mean, if you reused someone's name and got their inventory and essentially reincarnated them... that'd be kinda FREAKY
Hazelee Haller: I see your point.
McCabe Maxsted: haha, total zombie moment
Laetizia Coronet: and I even found a Dutchman named Prick in Wikipedia
Chase Marellan: I mean you're not really storing things on banlists and object owners by name, are you?
Torley Linden: Laetizia: As we get more international Lindens we become more aware of that. We also historically know any last name with "Lind" in it is problematic re: Linden impersoantors. :p
Angsty Rossini: bad karma to re-use someone else's name/identity
Torley Linden: Chase: Well, my name got changed, but my avatar ID stays the same.
Lexa Pro: actually, i was talking to a friend about this recently...not sure what the policy is on this, officially, but has anyone asked to will their SL account to someone else?
Lyndsey Forager: ive been caught out by the "lindemans"
Chase Marellan: So it shouldn't affect banlists, etc.
Pavig Lok: lindmans are worrisome
Tinsel Silvera: like when that young man got killed recently
Hazelee Haller: Good point Lexa
Tinsel Silvera: his mom is in here now
Laetizia Coronet: Lyndsey, common Dutch/Flemish name, brand name too
Welcome Mat: Hello and YAYZERAMA... Aprikat Wildcat, welcome to Watermelinden Land in the Linden Village!
Torley Linden: Lexa: Excellent question. While rare, I think we do have something in the ToS about that -- and when I was asked that last, our policy is to show you are indeed stated in the will, and fax those legal documents to us, so we can let you properly inherit the account.
Tinsel Silvera: that is good to know
McCabe Maxsted: cool
Tinsel Silvera: and a good policy to have
Torley Linden: It is certainly something that will become more common as Second Life and online worlds become more ubiquitous.
Hazelee Haller: I'm glad to know an account can continue if the family wishes it
Tinsel Silvera: i agree
DAODE Loon: np
Tinsel Silvera: i want to outlive my keyboardist
Lyndsey Forager: i like when people make funny name - i have a friend called getsome oh
Torley Linden: And an avatar can mean so much to someone... it's not just the "stuff" but the whole human experience.
Lexa Pro: awesome. now, to figure out who gets to play the 2nd lexa. this is like dr. who.
Chase Marellan: Especially since there's potentally US$ involved.
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: Hahaha...
Chase Marellan: Lexa: ahahaha
Torley Linden: Lexa: Ahh regenerations!
Hazelee Haller: I agree -- families get attached to avatars.
McCabe Maxsted: hahaha lexa
Torley Linden: For the record, the Dr. Who theme is one of my FAVES.
McCabe Maxsted was named after dr. who irl
Tinsel Silvera: mine as well
Chase Marellan: That would be a cool animation
Tinsel Silvera: big who fan
Lyndsey Forager: Ohh ew ohhhhh
Torley Linden: "This avatar has been in the family for 300 years"... reminds me of an Isaac Asimov novel.
Hazelee Haller: I'm a big Dr. Who fan myself
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Tinsel Silvera: i just bought a tardis the other day
Lexa Pro has a dr who pinball machine replica now.
McCabe Maxsted: i have a dalek av!
Chase Marellan: Torley: now THAT would be cool.
Tinsel Silvera: cool mccabe
Lyndsey Forager: dr who rawks
Lexa Pro: and a tardis, one of the many that've been made in-world.
Laetizia Coronet: Dr Who scared little Laetizia
Tinsel Silvera: i am still learning to fly mine
Lexa Pro: yeah, i've got daleks, too.
Chase Marellan: The key is to make a tardis that's bigger on the inside than the outside. :)
Tinsel Silvera: my fav doctor was tom baker
Hazelee Haller: I think there are a lot of Dr. Who fans in here.
Hazelee Haller: Tinsel, that was my favorite too
Lyndsey Forager: i was amazed by the end of series 3 dr who - the face of bo revelation was amazing
Laetizia Coronet: my fav doctors were Flying DOctors lol
Chase Marellan: I'm a peter davison fan myself.
DAODE Loon: silvester macoy is mine
McCabe Maxsted: don't tlel me, i haven't seen the new series all the way thorugh yet
Lexa Pro: the new show's worked wonders for that. i'm one of those philistines who never watched the older series, but i love the new stuff.
Tinsel Silvera: of course the latest one is good as well
Pavig Lok: i still likes tom baker.. (cause my telly not work :( )
Lexa Pro: i keep meaning to start on the older series, though.
Lyndsey Forager: david tennant is very yummy
McCabe Maxsted: haha
Laetizia Coronet: or Dr Dre of course
McCabe Maxsted: have you seen teh tom baker impersonater prank calls?
Daedalus Young: Dokter Bernard
Tinsel Silvera: no
Laetizia Coronet: baaaah Daedalus! lol
Tinsel Silvera: on bbc?
Daedalus Young: lol
Chase Marellan: He's got a fantastic voice.
Chase Marellan: My wife still swoons over it.
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Laetizia Coronet: zit gelijk in mijn hoofd... hum
Torley Linden: Wow!
Lyndsey Forager: tom baker was so funny in monarch of the glen - i went on set there , the castle is called ardverikie house
Torley Linden: Lots of Who talk. :D
Tinsel Silvera: yes he was
Tinsel Silvera: good show btw
Torley Linden: I really like Tom Baker's scarf. It's a gem.
Lexa Pro: tinsel: did you get the random teleporter tardis?
Torley Linden: I've seen some nice TARDISes in here in my time...
Torley Linden: and some Daleks as well.
Lexa Pro: those are a lot of fun.
Tinsel Silvera: i need to add that to mine
Hazelee Haller: the Daleks still scare me.
Laetizia Coronet: all I ever saw was a Bender
Lyndsey Forager: i see bbc caneda are part of the production in the modern dr who
Lexa Pro: highly recommended if you like to explore.
McCabe Maxsted: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18572304-Dr-Who-The-Doctor-calls
Tinsel Silvera: cool
Tinsel Silvera: got it
Angsty Rossini: I LOVED the Bender Avatar!!
Pavig Lok: hehe when i was young and reckless we released some daleks at a friends place on a private estate
Lexa Pro: lemme dig up a link.
Shlomi Brando: Hi all
Lyndsey Forager: hiys shlomi
Tinsel Silvera: i have some daleks but they stay in my inventory
Tinsel Silvera: hello
Chase Marellan: Not to interrupt the Who talk, but the talk of the TARDIS reminded me: is there any way to build, say, a room that keeps conversations from being heard outside of it?
Lyndsey Forager: ohh, that would be cool
Laetizia Coronet: yeah, make 21m thick walls....
Angsty Rossini: A Coner of Silence??
Pavig Lok: and the neighbors got angry so we grabbed em all back.. but one went for the ocean and spent the next 2 weeks swimming around the island between return parcels saying "exterminate" before they caught it
Tinsel Silvera: that wuld be nice
Tinsel Silvera: or once that cameras can't be moved into
Chase Marellan: Angsty: exactly
Randal Kline: someone asked this "Can anyone confirm whether it's possible to pay the initial island cost, plus a year's worth of fees, all in one go? " anyone?
Torley Linden: We did have some internal discussions before...
Laetizia Coronet: but yes I have been thinking of that too
McCabe Maxsted: Exterminate!
Tinsel Silvera: cool
Lyndsey Forager: ha ha
Tinsel Silvera: *chills*
Laetizia Coronet: also shop walls that don't show the floating text of the competition nextdoor
Lyndsey Forager: great sound
Torley Linden: about using space UNDER THE GROUND to be quiet. But with the current physics model and such, my understanding is that it's difficult to block cameras from going into somewhere...
Hazelee Haller: that voice gives me thje chills
Tinsel Silvera: ah
Torley Linden: I suppose an alternate way to approach this would be better group IM (easier to get into, more reliable, easier to create "chat groups" of people on the fly...)
Tinsel Silvera: i know your camera can only go so far into the ground and then it wraps back around
McCabe Maxsted: i would love to have a basement house, like askybox
Chase Marellan: I'd settle for group IM that works...
McCabe Maxsted: you can disable that in the client settings tinsel
Tinsel Silvera: therer is a house in here with a basement
Torley Linden: Tinsel: There are ways to trick that too, tho, I think that may be reinforced just on the viewer-side... (not sure)... so someone with a modified viewer might circumvent this.
Tinsel Silvera: ah
Torley Linden: Or as McCabe said.
Hazelee Haller: I've seen a house with a basement in here
Torley Linden: It's a double-edged sword because...
Torley Linden: camera flexibility is terribly important for building.
Lexa Pro: tardis random teleport thingy: http://slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=288080
Torley Linden: Client menu > Disable Camera Constrants.
Tinsel Silvera: yes it is
Tinsel Silvera: thanks lexa
Lexa Pro: highly recommended if you like exploring.
McCabe Maxsted: ooh awesome lea
Torley Linden: Oooh! *checks out Tardis*
Tinsel Silvera: cool
McCabe Maxsted: or ctrl-alt-c
McCabe Maxsted: if you want to use a shortcut
Torley Linden: I want to get a scarf like Tom Baker, that's for sure.
Tinsel Silvera: you need a watermelon scarf torley
Torley Linden: Hahahaha.
Hazelee Haller: will look good on you Torley
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Lyndsey Forager: and a big black hat
Tinsel Silvera: yes
Torley Linden: Hahahah I do have a watermelon TARDIS somewhere!
Laetizia Coronet: You'll never get rid of that watermeln theme
Tinsel Silvera: no way
McCabe Maxsted: hahah, omg, a friend was going to knit me one irl. I nearly learned how to knit myself to make it
Tinsel Silvera: i want a copy please
Lyndsey Forager: torley - do you like other kinds of melon too?
DAODE Loon: what is it about water melones you love so much torley
Torley Linden: Not really, just watermelon. I'm kinda particular that way. :D
McCabe Maxsted: why do you like watermelon torley?
Torley Linden: DAODE: Many things, color, taste, smell, the fact they make great helmets...
Lyndsey Forager: not even a nice juicy galia on a hot day?
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Torley Linden: My Dad used to tell me stories of Chinese Robin Hoods...
Laetizia Coronet: Every time I enter the supermarket I am reminded of Torley... kinda odd :)
Torley Linden: who'd rob watermelon trucks...
Torley Linden: and give them to the poor.
Hazelee Haller: they make great helmets?
Torley Linden: To feed them, since watermelon can feed so many.
Torley Linden: I was joking (somewhat) about the Helmets thing...
Torley Linden: but they're fun to carve.
Lyndsey Forager: awww, thats cool
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Hazelee Haller: lol
McCabe Maxsted: that's awesome!
McCabe Maxsted: hehe
Tinsel Silvera: question torley - is it true that prim liter drags on the sims performance?
Laetizia Coronet: of course Tinsel
Torley Linden: Tinsel: Can you please give more details about what type of litter this is?
Tinsel Silvera: just wanted to make sure
Torley Linden: For example, if you drop a bunch of physical cubes... or heavily scripted ones... then yes, that does affect server-side performance.
Tinsel Silvera: a lot of crap being put out
Laetizia Coronet: extra prims is extra stuff to render for the viewer is't it?
McCabe Maxsted: more prims = more lag, general rule
Torley Linden: But if it's mainly complex geometry, then that's viewer-side (on your end), and you can hide those prims and speed up...
Tinsel Silvera: so many areas are getting littered til they are full
Torley Linden: Sometimes I temporarily do Ctrl-Alt-Shift-9 to hide objects inworld
Laetizia Coronet: plus it ruins photo ops, the Lindens do need to clean up more!
Torley Linden: Tru dat about the Photo Ops.
Torley Linden: Well, there's another trick too...
Lyndsey Forager: i would love the ad farms to go - they make pretty places orrible
Tinsel Silvera: well it is more on abandoned properties that have not yet been reclaimed
McCabe Maxsted shudders at the ad farms
Torley Linden: Client menu > Rendering > Hide Selected, then drag over a bunch of prims to hide them temporarily.
Torley Linden: I wish we had a way to make that more persistent...
Torley Linden: Eyesores make you very sad.
Lexa Pro: i've had to make a huge monolith on the front of my property, surrounding an ad tower.
Tinsel Silvera: and you can do this to objects put out by others?
Laetizia Coronet: visit my Flickr for a shot of Grasmere (yes) with two freebie yachts... been here for a least a month and they show up on the map now too
Torley Linden: Tinsel: Yes but it only works for as long as they're selected.
Tinsel Silvera: ah
McCabe Maxsted: why not ban an object from being rendered? like muting but for visibility?
Torley Linden: Oh gosh, Laetizia, are those on a Linden parcel?
Lexa Pro: granted, it's cool looking, but it's 16 rather pointless prims i'm using the box in an ad tower.
Tinsel Silvera: so good for photos and such then - glad to know that
Laetizia Coronet: yes Torley AFAIK close to Blue's chair back here
Lexa Pro: guy who owned the land in front of me busted it up into 16s.
Torley Linden: McCabe -- Dale Glass, Cube Linden, and some others have a lot to say about that, I think... there are side-effect problems I believe.
Tinsel Silvera: i may have sent you a landmark on those torley
Torley Linden: I've been asking some Lindens to turn on autoreturn.
Tinsel Silvera: i remember seeing them
Lexa Pro: i got rid of all but 64 sq. m.
Hazelee Haller: We can't clean up other places in SL, but would like to see this area always kept clean.
Lexa Pro: and there's only ads on the one 16, but it's still annoying.
Laetizia Coronet: they are moored at that large flower, not exactly sure on whose land they are
Lexa Pro: thankfully, no one can or will ever see their ads without really looking. =)
Tinsel Silvera: i alwasy click on the objects to see if they are linden owned or not before i act
McCabe Maxsted: hehe
Torley Linden: Yes, I agree... hmmm okay Laetizia if you have a SLURL just so I can make sure, I can check them out...
Torley Linden: It's nice to keep things tidy, even in a digital world!
Lyndsey Forager: do you think it will be long beofre peole are connecting their own open souce servers to sl? - would the have to pay tier?
Tinsel Silvera: yes i agree torley
McCabe Maxsted: is autoreturn not enabled by default?
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: That is still likely far off. I don't have any new info on open-sourcing the server...
McCabe Maxsted: because that might help
Daedalus Young: I once found a lot of watermelon colored spheres at the bottom of a lake
Laetizia Coronet: Torley, I don't have a SLURL but it's due north of here in this very sim
Tinsel Silvera: but at the same time we can't bombard you with all the areas needing cleaned
DAODE Loon: torley i watched you clip on youtube and couldnt fing the magic beanstalk
Lexa Pro: god, dreamhost is going to hate us when SL server is open-sourced.
Daedalus Young: all physical too
Lexa Pro: =)
Torley Linden: McCabe: No it isn't, sadly! Altho when we setup new Linden VIllage parcels (Pathfinder mainly does that I reckon), we should.
Torley Linden: Lexa: Haha, what do you envision coming?
Torley Linden: DAODE: Ah! That's in the middle of Welsh!
Torley Linden: You can't miss it.
Torley Linden: Or go to Search > Places and look for "beanstalk"
Torley Linden: It's like, the only match in there.
Chase Marellan: When land is abandoned, is it available for anybody to claim?
Tinsel Silvera: i have an eye on a couple of places that are abandoned but not available yet
DAODE Loon: thnx
Hazelee Haller: Me. too.
Chase Marellan: How does that work?
Torley Linden: A long time ago, land abandoned used to go Public...
Torley Linden: so ANYONE could snatch it...
Lexa Pro: well, eventually, because people are not going to easily be able to set up and host their own estates, companies like dreamhost and whatnot are going to have to pick up the slack. i think i've heard daniel talking about you guys eventually being just another hosting provider or something to that effect once server's open-sourced.
Laetizia Coronet: From the map: Grasmere 112, 198
Torley Linden: Nowadays tho, if it's owned by Governor Linden, it's far more likely to be reauctioned off.
Torley Linden: Thanks Laetizia *makes a note to check it out soon*
Tinsel Silvera: so reclaimed land goes to governor linden?
Lexa Pro: i'm paraphrasing there, but the way it looks, if server does get open-sourced, that's a whole new market for these companies to explore and beinfuriated by. =)
Torley Linden: Lexa: Ah, I understand better what you're saying -- and we are seeing motion towards that sort of area. You know how now when you join SL, you get a choice of different Orientation experiences?
Laetizia Coronet: let's hope one day he gets reclaimed land with a hair and skin shop on it :P
Torley Linden: We're broadening it up that way...
Tinsel Silvera: so i just need to wait and watch the auctions?
Torley Linden: Tinsel: Generally, yes. The Governor will reclaim abandoned and delinquent land...
Tinsel Silvera: cool
Hazelee Haller: When land is abandoned, what happens to objext on the land? Does owner still retain.
Torley Linden: Hazelee: When we're reauctioning it, then it all gets returned.
Tinsel Silvera: can we petition LL to reclaim a land sooner rather than later (i.e., it's an eyesore right now)
Hazelee Haller: I see. I was looking at object on newly abandoned land.
Torley Linden: Tinsel: We used to do that, but now, so much land to keep track of, so unfortunately I don't think that's so effective.
Tinsel Silvera: that was my thought as well hazelee
Tinsel Silvera: ah
Laetizia Coronet: heheh cool avi Phil!
Lexa Pro: if it's being paid for, i don't imagine there's much LL can do unless there are serious TOS violations going on.
Phli Foxchase: ^^
Torley Linden: Yeah, before Guy and Nova Linden used to keep track of the Second Life Land Management forum, when the world was much smaller, like, a few hundred, or even low thousands of regions... but now, holy moly.
Chase Marellan: How many regions are there now?
Tinsel Silvera: it would be a full time job for several to do
Torley Linden: Awhile ago we did contact old Lifetime accounts who hadn't been inworld, and asked if they were planning on revisiting Second Life, and if not, if they wanted our help to sell their land...
Lexa Pro: and i don't think ugly porn spam banners are a tos violation.
Lyndsey Forager: sl must take up a huge amout of physical space now?
Chase Marellan: And here's a stupid question: does sim = region?
Torley Linden: We only got like, 1 actual response that followed through I think.
Pavig Lok: is it possible to ask the lindens to return objects when owners "prim out" onto linden public land (like train lines and roadways)?
Tinsel Silvera: i think the web said like 8800 or so now
Laetizia Coronet: Phli, you could do a Lag-o logo on there ;)
Hazelee Haller: a lag-o-logo --- good one.
Torley Linden: Pavig: Linden public land should have autoreturn on, I know in many places it's not... I'd suggest sending a support ticket about stuff like that nowadays, if there's a particular obstruction, e.g., if a big prim is derailing a Linden train.
Angsty Rossini: Speaking of roads, are we EVER going to be able to ride or drive vehicles on them?
Laetizia Coronet: Linden train... there's one that ends ejecting you because the line is discontinued
Tinsel Silvera: i have driven on them - it can be done
Laetizia Coronet: yes! ROads with build on!
Pavig Lok: that's the usual case, the owners (usually adfarmers it seems) link to a master prim on thier own land and shift prims onto neightboing lotts
Tinsel Silvera: yes
Daedalus Young: I have driven on the roads too
Laetizia Coronet: there are rez areas but not too many
Torley Linden: Angsty: If you mean smoother experience (which I would like too) and not falling halfway into the roads, then Havok 4 (physics system upgrade) is supposed to ameliorate that.
Chase Marellan: If you turn build on, you won't be able to drive on it because it'll get clutted up.
Laetizia Coronet: I am going to take that truck and drve it across SL
Torley Linden: Pavig: Parcel encroachment sucks, and yes, doing something like that would be a violation of the Community Standards...
Tinsel Silvera: i just drive until it quits and put the car in invetory and fly the rest of the way
Laetizia Coronet: Chase you can do 5 min autoreturn
Daedalus Young: build on and auto return at 5 minutes
Angsty Rossini: I mean - I've oly been to 1 sim where I was able to ride a moped ON the road
Daedalus Young: surely it won't litter up then
Chase Marellan: true
Angsty Rossini: all the other roads are no-go :(
Lexa Pro would like adjustable weight on physical objects.
Angsty Rossini: 9like - what's the point?)
Torley Linden: Holy crap we have like 12,500 regions including internal ones...
Chase Marellan: wow!
Daedalus Young: you need to find buildable land nearby a road now
Laetizia Coronet: Angsty try the Pontiacx sims, they are great for driving, and the Nissan islads too
Lyndsey Forager: thats huge
Lexa Pro: there's a pet project of mine that's on hold until that happens.
DAODE Loon: ive been to lots of areas to drive on roads
Torley Linden: I was just looking at our stats. Hehe.
Tinsel Silvera: that is a lot of regions
Torley Linden: Yeah, some of these big car companies coming into Second Life...
Torley Linden: Mercedes too...
Pavig Lok: ack my horriblest vehicular tradgedy is always running into one of those eat your vehicle parcels (usually protecting a skybox way over the banline anyways)
Lyndsey Forager: lol, is al a massive wearehouse>?
Torley Linden: Toyota has their Scion City as well...
Lexa Pro: and the roads would be used in it.
Chase Marellan: What's the difference between a sim and a region? Or ar they the same?
Torley Linden: We have big rooms to house our servers, yes.
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Laetizia Coronet: ban lines should stay clear of roads, definitely
Torley Linden: Awhile ago, I asked "How big?" but no picture could be taken -- security reasons.
Lexa Pro: hahahaha, all i think of every time i hear the name scion is that frisky dingo episode.
Angsty Rossini: bleh - don't want a "commercial" experience :) Will have to look harder for driveable roads :)
Lyndsey Forager: ooops - im not after secure info - lol
Laetizia Coronet: Angsty, Pontiac is not very in-your-face, looks like a normal region
Torley Linden: Chase: Good question, they are used interchangeably, but the problem (and what is confusing) is a "sim" is also technically used to refer to the processes running regions (basically a 256x256 m square of land on the Grid map)... so you can have many regions on one sim, so to speak.
Tinsel Silvera: you know torley you could show us and then just erase our memories
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Hazelee Haller: lol
Torley Linden: A lot of people use "sim" somewhat inaccurately but it's not a big deal...
Torley Linden: "sim" short for "simulator"...
Lyndsey Forager: if he told us he would have to kill us
Pavig Lok: roads be tricky to find. i saw a new lindy laying a road other day right thru the corner of four sims ><
Tinsel Silvera: i see sim, region and island all used as the same
Lexa Pro: yeah, motorati's not awful, parkade and fairgrounds are both decent enough places to hang out there.
Tinsel Silvera: it gets confusing when people are talking
Chase Marellan: torley: Interesting, because we have a parcel, and if you look at the "about land" tab, the "Simulator prim usage" is identical to the parcel numbers. So I was wondering if our parcel was esentially the whole sim.
Laetizia Coronet: and they sell great cars, non-Pontiac ones too
Torley Linden: Tinsel: Yeah, we are moving away from "Island" and using "Estate"... at least that's what I understand from Concierge.
Chase Marellan: And if it is, does that mean we can get 50 people in it, regardless of the rest of the region?
Tinsel Silvera: estate sounds better than island
Torley Linden: Chase: How big is that parcel? :)
Chase Marellan: I'm only asking because we're having a charity art show for RFL on the 22nd and I'm worried about filling up.
Torley Linden: Estate sounds kinda classy.
Lyndsey Forager: it does
Chase Marellan: Torley: I think it's about 6000m, but I'll have to look.
Torley Linden: And yes, in About Land > Objects where it says "Simulator primitive usage", that's only referring to the current region the parcel is in.
Laetizia Coronet: Estate sounds cool but what if you run a slum like Philly?
Lyndsey Forager: how many people can a region hold?
Torley Linden: Even Lindens use region/sim interchangeably at times.
Lexa Pro: someone made a philly sim?
Lexa Pro: landmark!
Laetizia Coronet: Lexa, Topgol
Pavig Lok: if yer own it it's an estate, even if it run down :P
McCabe Maxsted: random question, torley: will you be enforcing zoning for the new continent, so as to keep residential and commercial seperate?
Lexa Pro goes to get cheesesteaks
Tinsel Silvera: Myg blogs baout toopgol all the time
Laetizia Coronet: hang on I do have an LM
Chase Marellan: Torley: 6144.
Lexa Pro: w0000
Lexa Pro: love that town.
Torley Linden: A region can hold up to 100 people...
Torley Linden: Or, avatars, specifically.
Torley Linden: But, I think that can be circumvented on the backend (tho it'd be VERY slow).
Laetizia Coronet: there you go Lexa, greeat community too
Chase Marellan: It's up to 100? Cool!
Torley Linden: McCabe: And no, alas, I don't have anything to do with zoning aside from appreciating what people have created...
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Torley Linden: I'd say insofar as zoning, some of the Resident-run estates have done that successfully. The mainland is more organic and chaotic.
Lexa Pro: awesome, laetizia, thanks.
Torley Linden: Most regions on the mainland are set to 40-avatar limit.
Chase Marellan: So I'm just a little confused. That's 100 people for... our parcel? The region? Some other weird geographic shape?
Laetizia Coronet: but Lexa, pack yo piece... its dangerous out there ;)
Torley Linden: The ones that aren't, are usually incorrectly set.
Chase Marellan: Oh, ok.
Tinsel Silvera: i noticed on the current map that more sims have been moved around
Torley Linden: Chase: that's 100 people for a square on the map. :)
Chase Marellan: Got it.
Lexa Pro has slowly been trying to get his mainland sim to become more neighborhood-like.
Torley Linden: That's the easy way to remember it, a region = named square on the map.
Chase Marellan: But they're set to 40?
Chase Marellan: Sorry, it's early here. :)
Torley Linden: So Grasmere, this is a region. And yes, Grasmere is currently set to 40. That's a good balance (currently).
Lexa Pro: it's a very slow process, and will eventually involve me buying up most of it, but i kinda like the mainland.
McCabe Maxsted: that's a complaint i see often "such and such club next door ruined my land" or they can't get into their land because the 40 av limit was reached
Torley Linden: Hehe Lexa. :D
Torley Linden: McCabe: Yup, I certainly resonate with that. :\
Randal Kline: is 100 an estimated number?
Laetizia Coronet: yeah Topgol has an issue with a worthless laggy camping establishment
Torley Linden: It's a tough thing, on one hand, you give people creative freedom, but sometimes, you don't like what ends up next to you and you don't have an easier way to hide it or ignore it if you don't care about it.
Torley Linden: Randal: 100 is an exact integer.
Chase Marellan: So the 100 number doesn't matter on the mainland, it's 40, right?
Laetizia Coronet: lots of scripts, ugliness and lag
Torley Linden: Chase: Right. On the mainland, it's 40.
Lyndsey Forager: the casino bedite my photography shop has closed down - its not a pretty fiels with horses :)
Torley Linden: On Estates, if you own an estate... you can choose to set it higher or lower if you want.
Chase Marellan: Torley: can that be lifted for special events?
Laetizia Coronet: good for you Lyndsey!
Chase Marellan: That's good to know
Torley Linden: Chase: generally, unfortunately not, because then we'd be flooded with requests, and neighbors also tend to complain.
Chase Marellan: Torley: gotcha, thanks.
Torley Linden: You're welcome. :)
Chase Marellan: We'll just have to shunt people over to another property if it gets full, then. Thansk for the clarification!
Torley Linden: Yeah, or -- there's the other approach of, if your parcel is near the corner of a region...
McCabe Maxsted: chase, the electric sheep do a lot of simulcasting
McCabe Maxsted: perhaps you could hold it in two sims at once?
Torley Linden: and you buy adjacent land in another region... some people have "4-corner events" to host more people.
Torley Linden: It's hard to acquire that land and region crossing between them can be jerky, tho.
Laetizia Coronet: like Pooley
Torley Linden: But one example of Lindens doing it is... the stage in Pooley.
Torley Linden: YAH!
Chase Marellan: McCabe -- I don't think it's that big, and we don't have a budget, but tunanks.
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Chase Marellan: thanks, I mena. :)
Lexa Pro: yeah, looking into that, but sim crossing can be rough sometimes, especially when it gets busy.
Chase Marellan: Torley: I heard that, yes. Not an option here.
Laetizia Coronet: i see someone being stuck in the 4 corners at Pooley a lot
Tinsel Silvera: the galaxy ship that covers three sims does not cross easy from one to the next
Torley Linden: A long time ago, we used to have Stage 4 that did this too, near Ahern-Morris in the "classic" Welcome Area, which Lime now more closely resembles.
Lexa Pro: i'm finally right up to the border in innamincka with heck.
Chase Marellan: And actually, we'd love to have to worry about having too many people at a charity event. :)
Lyndsey Forager: or the ahern welcome area
McCabe Maxsted: hehe :)
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Yeah at Town Halls and such it can get pretty lagged out, 120 avatars...
Tinsel Silvera: it was laggy at the birthday bash but worth it
Torley Linden: However, as computer tech advances, we'll be able to scale things up. it's like those early fighting games where you could just put 2 people on the screen, and now you can have masses, swarms of things flying at you...
Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
Laetizia Coronet: missed all that
Lexa Pro: the picture i took at the last town hall was great, you couldn't see the next sim and 40% of the avs were greyed out.
McCabe Maxsted: i uset ctrl-alt-shift-4 a lot to disable avs; a tip for laggy areas
Laetizia Coronet: disable avs?
McCabe Maxsted: yup
McCabe Maxsted: so they're not rendered
Chase Marellan: What does that mean?
Chase Marellan: Oh
Hazelee Haller: you can do that to someone
Lexa Pro: ha, we're all gone!
Torley Linden: Yeah, SL4B is a great example of that -- it was very laggy last year too, but the spirit of being connected and excited holds us together. Even with technical probs, if you have good friends here, things feel easier.
Laetizia Coronet: so you are one of those people pushing everyone around then? ;)
Torley Linden: McCabe: Great tip, I use that too.
Tinsel Silvera: i will use it in the future - thanks.
Torley Linden: In short, yes, hiding objects results in less geometry (math) for your computer to crunch... and it'll go faster.
Torley Linden: If you check Fast Timers, aka Ctrl-Shift-9...
Torley Linden: Then you can see how it changes before/after.
Laetizia Coronet: but it makes for a lonely experience...
Hazelee Haller: I'll check that out
Hazelee Haller: :)
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Yeah, that is the whole point of avatars, having a visible presence inworld, not being disembodied...
Laetizia Coronet: right
Lyndsey Forager: the world beore the days of colour
Torley Linden: And if Fast Timers looks like a confusing Star Trek experience to you, then I wrote some help up too -- http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Debug_Help
McCabe Maxsted: hehehe
Laetizia Coronet: now I finally know what it is - I used to have to relog to make those graphs disappear
Laetizia Coronet: it would help to make a little 'close' tip for those screens
Torley Linden: YES IT TOTALLY WOULD. Oh gosh...
Tinsel Silvera: yes
Torley Linden: And another thing, that's a bug...
Torley Linden: You shouldn't even be able to enable those if Client menu is not visible.
Torley Linden: We have new Resis sometimes touching many keys on the keyboard...
McCabe Maxsted: there's always one thing that lags the most, and i'm trying to remember the component
Laetizia Coronet: Client menu?
Torley Linden: And they bring up those bars, and they get scared.
Torley Linden: Laetizia, yeah.
McCabe Maxsted: renderpool
McCabe Maxsted: that's it
Laetizia Coronet: yes I have phat phingers like that lol
Daedalus Young: yes, and my cat once claimed ownership of a parcel that way
Tinsel Silvera: lol
Hazelee Haller: lol
Lyndsey Forager: omg
Laetizia Coronet: lol Dae
Torley Linden: McCabe: That sounds generally normal, but if RenderPool suddenly takes 1,000 ms or something, that is excessive and disproportionate.
Chase Marellan: As long as your cat pays the teir
Lexa Pro: whoa!
Laetizia Coronet: must be a furry parcel then
Torley Linden: As long as the bars are scrolling along at a reasonably rapid rate, you're fine. Each bar = frame per second.
Lyndsey Forager: lol, so funny
Lexa Pro: soundexchange are backing off on the webcasting deadline!
McCabe Maxsted: ah okay, i was wondering what i should expect from it
Torley Linden: Yup, the key thing is *feel*... if things feel smooth, then you're fine.
Tinsel Silvera: ah
Torley Linden: But if things are slow and there is an obvious discrepancy in Fast Timers, then you very likely have a problem.
Lexa Pro: your letters and calls to congress, and suspicious packages outside their offices have made a difference! =)
Torley Linden: LOL Lexa.
Tinsel Silvera: lol
McCabe Maxsted: hehe
Wolfie Rankin: Hi all
Tinsel Silvera: hello
Torley Linden: Hiya Wolfie!
Wolfie Rankin: still rezzing
Hazelee Haller: Hi Wolfie
Lyndsey Forager: lol, last night i was cursing sl - i downloaded a new verion of the client and came out an hour later - then when i logged back in i havd to download ANOTHER verion - lol
McCabe Maxsted: ahoy there!
Wolfie Rankin: I'm in bed with the laptop and electric blanket
Lexa Pro: so i guess we've preserved our ability to hear buckcherry's "crazy bitch" in every. single. club. we set foot in. =)
Torley Linden: Ahhh nice to see you. Alas, I am sad to say that I must go for now, this being the end of my morning (my time) office hour, but I will be back here at 2 PM PDT for another. I'd like to thank all of you for coming and chatting it up with me!
Laetizia Coronet: lol Wolfie TMI!
Lexa Pro: sorry, big moment, didn't mean to burst in with that. =)
Tinsel Silvera: thanks for the visit torley
Torley Linden: Haha, it's so cool how connected we can be... wi-fi still trips me out!
McCabe Maxsted: aw okay; time flew torley, thanks for your time!
Daedalus Young: thanks Torley
Torley Linden: Thank YOU for the visitation!!
Hazelee Haller: Thank you, Torley. I always learn when I am here.
Laetizia Coronet: thanks for your time Torley
Lexa Pro: take 'er easy, torley.
Randal Kline: B-bye!!! :D
Lyndsey Forager: have a nice morning torley!
Torley Linden: You're most graciously welcome. =D Take care each and all of ya! *waves and smiles*