User:Zero Linden/Office Hours/2007 Oct 30

• [12:25] Tree: Kyomoon: hello Gareth and Zha :)
• [12:26] Gareth Ellison: hey
• [12:26] Gareth Ellison: didn't see you there Zha
• [12:26] Gareth Ellison: heh
• [12:26] Tree: Kyomoon: have I missed much in the last week ?
• [12:27] Zha Ewry: Hey. I snug in quietly, on my high heels.
• [12:27] Gareth Ellison: hasn't been turning up to the office hours as much as i shoudl be
• [12:27] Zha Ewry: *snuck
• [12:27] Gareth Ellison: *should
• [12:28] Tree: Kyomoon: looks like no transcripts have gone up either :(
• [12:28] Gareth Ellison: funny thing is what i have been doing is coding tons
• [12:28] Tree: Kyomoon: man leave for a weeek and everything goes to pot :)
• [12:28] Gareth Ellison: got some nice packet encoding stuff to merge with streamlet
• [12:29] Zha Ewry: Excellent. Gareth, are you on top of mulib, or alongside?
• [12:29] Gareth Ellison: Zha: it's all built on top of mulib
• [12:29] Zha Ewry: I thought so. Good.
• [12:29] Zha Ewry: I am hoping to have a small mulib server up shortly to tinker with
• [12:29] Gareth Ellison: streamlet gives a nice HTTP-based event queue system
• [12:30] Zha Ewry: And.. I think that Which's dict example, is not idempotent, and I need to try and think about how to mod it so it becomes so.
• [12:30] Gareth Ellison: need to finish off mudata and muauth too
• [12:30] Saijanai Kuhn: stares at the missing textures of the chairs that aren't tehre
• [12:30] Zha Ewry: Its idempoitent on read, but on put.. I think itviolates RESTs rules on idempotent
• [12:30] Malburns Writer: Hi Tree
• [12:31] Zha Ewry: Two sucessive putters don't find out they clashed, and that's a deep REST no-no.
• [12:31] Tree: Kyomoon: hello
• [12:32] Malburns Writer: afk for quick nibbles
• [12:32] Zha Ewry: giggles
• [12:32] Zha Ewry: Good idea. Coffee, tho, for me
• [12:34] Tree: Kyomoon: coffee would be good
• [12:35] Warthog Jun: oh wow a place to sit
• [12:35] Tree: Kyomoon: Mal I like your profile mini website
• [12:36] Malburns Writer: Thanks Tree - still working on getting as much in as possible
• [12:37] Warthog Jun: zoo keeper
• [12:37] Malburns Writer: Yup - seting is rare here normally
• [12:39] Tree: Kyomoon: anyone know if you can communicate with SL from the mini profile web browser yet?
• [12:40] Malburns Writer: you can partly i think - SL messenger loads into it
• [12:41] Rob Adelaide: I don't even know what the mini-profile web browser is
• [12:41] Malburns Writer: prob most web-based SL services
• [12:41] Malburns Writer: display area is pain though
• [12:41] Tree: Kyomoon: yes it seems trivial to make that box expand...
• [12:41] Rob Adelaide: oh, there it is
• [12:41] Malburns Writer: your webpage in profile
• [12:42] Malburns Writer: you can design to size and there are ways to incorporate tabs
• [12:42] Saijanai Kuhn: something called SLeek was just mentioned. A chat only client?
• [12:42] Rob Adelaide: your profile in webpage rather?
• [12:42] Rob Adelaide: sleek is pretty nifty
• [12:42] Rob Adelaide: i used to use it to chat with peeps I was collaborating with on projects while at work without a computer that would run SL
• [12:42] Malburns Writer: not sure i used SLeek - seem to recall name though
• [12:42] Malburns Writer: Hi Wyn
• [12:42] Rob Adelaide: it was one of the products of LibSecondLIfe
• [12:43] Rob Adelaide: only text-only client I ever got to work
• [12:43] Tree: Kyomoon: hey there wyn
• [12:43] Zha Ewry: Heya Wyn
• [12:43] Rob Adelaide: waves at all the newcomers
• [12:43] Catherine Pfeffer: Thanks Rob.
• [12:43] Wyn Galbraith: Hello
• [12:43] Rob Adelaide: is Zero dropping in or are we just borrowing his office?
• [12:44] Catherine Pfeffer: can someone remove the male sex behind me ?
• [12:44] Kooky Jetaime: uhm
• [12:44] Zha Ewry: Zero's office hours in about 15 minutes
• [12:44] Malburns Writer: yes - we are eraly
• [12:44] Rob Adelaide: where catherine?
• [12:45] Tree: Kyomoon: GIgs!
• [12:45] Gigs Taggart: you all are here early
• [12:45] Gigs Taggart: hi tree
• [12:46] Tree: Kyomoon: :)
• [12:46] Kooky Jetaime: hi Gigs
• [12:46] Gigs Taggart: hi
• [12:46] Kooky Jetaime: I'm early but very.... unhappy.. reinstalling windows :/
• [12:46] Gigs Taggart: I've got to leave half way through :(
• [12:46] Saijanai Kuhn: Rob, my Japanese is horrid. What does Showakusai mean?
• [12:47] Seg Baphomet: HAY GUYS
• [12:47] Rob Adelaide: Asteroid
• [12:47] Saijanai Kuhn: ah, kool
• [12:47] Rob Adelaide: "Showakusei"
• [12:47] Seg Baphomet: I hear this is where the cool kids hang out.
• [12:47] Saijanai Kuhn: kusei, thnks
• [12:47] Saijanai Kuhn: only the geey ones
• [12:47] Rob Adelaide: I don't stink, thanks very much :P
• [12:47] Gareth Ellison: was that a giant fedora logo i just saw?
• [12:47] Tree: Kyomoon: whats with all the "f"s?
• [12:48] Gareth Ellison: who's got the fedora particles?
• [12:48] Seg Baphomet: They're freedom bubbles.
• [12:48] Gareth Ellison: that f looks like the fedora core logo
• [12:48] Rob Adelaide: blatant linux promotion?
• [12:48] Tree: Kyomoon: "f" this, "f" that
• [12:48] Wyn Galbraith: It one of the meetings that will never be visited by Prokofy.
• [12:48] Kooky Jetaime: haha
• [12:48] Kooky Jetaime: freedom bubbles
• [12:48] Kooky Jetaime: that are half-infinities
• [12:48] Zha Ewry: Actually, Prok came by once, ages ago.
• [12:48] Zha Ewry: Zero.. was... IMpressive
• [12:48] Gareth Ellison: Zha: hmm?
• [12:48] Seg Baphomet: Freedom, in bubble form.
• [12:48] Saijanai Kuhn: wishes he was there
• [12:48] Kooky Jetaime: Seg - Fedora saved my ass over the past few days
• [12:49] Gareth Ellison: Fedora rocks
• [12:49] Gareth Ellison: i'm running it right now
• [12:49] Gareth Ellison: the KDE menu button is that exact logo
• [12:49] Seg Baphomet: I still demand an answer to my Time Cube question!
• [12:49] Rob Adelaide: oh no seg, you contributed to the evil that is CSI:NY?
• [12:49] Kooky Jetaime: time cube?
• [12:49] Seg Baphomet: CITIZENS DEMAND ANSWERS!
• [12:49] Rob Adelaide: haha
• [12:49] Kooky Jetaime: huh?
• [12:49] Wyn Galbraith: Still it's a almost Prokofy free zone.
• [12:50] Chosen Raymaker: d
• [12:50] Rob Adelaide: Don't Taze Me Bro!
• [12:50] LindseyWorth Voom: hahahahaha DONT TAZE ME BRO
• [12:50] Morgaine Dinova: Oh dear, never good to TP to a place and the first line you hear mentions Prok
• [12:50] Rob Adelaide: makes a mental note to create a Tazer in SL
• [12:50] LindseyWorth Voom: "OMG THEY ARE HANDING ME OVER THO THE GOVERNMENT"
• [12:50] Seg Baphomet: The future architecture of Second Life must properly employ nature's harmonious 4-day time cube.
• [12:51] Zha Ewry: LOL
• [12:51] Wyn Galbraith: was delighting in a meeting that wouldn't have that issue, Morgaine ;)
• [12:51] Rob Adelaide: I think they should craft SL as a moebius loop so you can never reach the end... o.o
• [12:51] Wyn Galbraith: Ring world.
• [12:51] Rob Adelaide: ya know, that or a globe
• [12:51] Zha Ewry: The good news it that it was mostly abouth w Zero chesed Prok into silence elegently
• [12:51] Tree: Kyomoon: I agree Rob
• [12:51] Wyn Galbraith: I would have loved to have seen that.
• [12:52] Tree: Kyomoon: My coffee maker has moebius drip
• [12:52] Rob Adelaide: I want to be able to TP to places using the same interface as the Wii Weather Channel and News Channel if you know them...
• [12:52] Wyn Galbraith: LOL TRee!
• [12:52] Kooky Jetaime: gosh, they so need an SP3 version of XP.. get rid of "Msn explorer"
• [12:52] Rob Adelaide:  ?
• [12:52] Rob Adelaide: last I heard you don't have to use MSNE
• [12:52] Seg Baphomet: I seem to be lagging hardcore.
• [12:52] Kooky Jetaime: yea but its still a default install :)
• [12:53] Kooky Jetaime: sim is running great so its all you SEg
• [12:53] Rob Adelaide: become a power user - default uninstall it :P
• [12:53] Tree: Kyomoon: if a kid never shut up you could say they were giving you moebius lip
• [12:53] Rob Adelaide: hahaha
• [12:53] Wyn Galbraith: PUnny Tree
• [12:53] Rob Adelaide: I don't know if that's possible given the current lip-continuum
• [12:53] Tree: Kyomoon: hey did you all hear that dark matter doesnt exist?
• [12:54] Rob Adelaide: now I'm curious, how do you spell continuum?
• [12:54] Rob Adelaide: is that right?
• [12:54] Tree: Kyomoon: it was in the news today
• [12:54] LindseyWorth Voom: NO, gEORGE bUSH is STIL ALIVE
• [12:54] LindseyWorth Voom: DARK MATTER
• [12:54] Wyn Galbraith: Well dark matter is hard to see at night
• [12:54] Rob Adelaide: lol
• [12:54] Chosen Raymaker: dark matter doesnt exist? what is the stuff then?
• [12:54] Tree: Kyomoon: they say that gravity doesnt behave as we think it does
• [12:54] Rob Adelaide: I have dark matter inside my lightbulb - when I flip the switch off the containment field drops and it sucks in all the light.
• [12:54] LindseyWorth Voom: even nothing is something
• [12:55] Morgaine Dinova: Dark Matter is just gaffer tape. Any engineer knows what holds the universe together.
• [12:55] Dimitrio Lewis: gravity is very misunderstood
• [12:55] Gigs Taggart: dark matter is actually an extension of Michael Moore's ass
• [12:55] Tree: Kyomoon: hah
• [12:55] Wyn Galbraith: LOL Gigs.
• [12:55] Rob Adelaide: lol @ gigs
• [12:55] LindseyWorth Voom: michael moore is great
• [12:55] LindseyWorth Voom: very smart
• [12:55] Rob Adelaide: he's a friend of mine
• [12:55] Seg Baphomet: OH NOHS
• [12:55] Rob Adelaide: weird dude
• [12:55] Wyn Galbraith: Gravity wins.
• [12:55] Rob Adelaide: I am in a continually losing battle with gravity.
• [12:55] LindseyWorth Voom: SICKO was a great movie
• [12:55] Seg Baphomet: People take Moore too seriously.
• [12:56] Wyn Galbraith: We watch all the Michael Moore stuff, haven't seen SICKO yet though.
• [12:56] Tree: Kyomoon: I fell in with Gravity at a young age...
• [12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: if they LET themselves take him too seriously
• [12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: its what he says, the facts, that i pay attention to
• [12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: not him as a man
• [12:56] Catherine Pfeffer: Moore has just understood that the European development model is the correct one.
• [12:56] Aymeric Yalin: Script run-time error
• [12:56] Aymeric Yalin: Stack-Heap Collision
• [12:56] Wyn Galbraith: fell for Gravity even now.
• [12:56] Tree: Kyomoon: it always visits in the fall
• [12:56] Seg Baphomet: He's a satirist.
• [12:56] Rob Adelaide: I think he's a politicist
• [12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: i learned how the other models operate though
• [12:56] Wyn Galbraith: Moore is great for pointing out things we should be considering.
• [12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: what he says is factual though so why a politicist
• [12:57] Rob Adelaide: because he's into politics?
• [12:57] Seg Baphomet: Meh. The british dude said it best.
• [12:57] Basil Wijaya: Hi everybody
• [12:57] Wyn Galbraith: He does expose the facts, and where are the electric cars?
• [12:57] Seg Baphomet: If there's money to bomb people, there's money to heal them.
• [12:57] Tree: Kyomoon: factie: a particle of truthiness
• [12:57] Catherine Pfeffer: Hi basil.
• [12:57] LindseyWorth Voom: well he is still making more money thatn you and wil always be more successful
• [12:57] Kooky Jetaime: 40 peeps
• [12:57] LindseyWorth Voom: truthiness to power
• [12:57] Kooky Jetaime: Zero better show up
• [12:57] Wyn Galbraith: Zero won't be able to get in!
• [12:57] Kooky Jetaime: truthiness hehe
• [12:58] Wyn Galbraith: We should have a display here so he can pipe himself in
• [12:58] LindseyWorth Voom: COLBERT '08
• [12:58] Kooky Jetaime: Wyn - great thing about being a linden.... they can always get in :)
• [12:58] Tree: Kyomoon: zero is more popular than Jesus
• [12:58] Saijanai Kuhn: LOL will need an invite to his own office
• [12:58] Kooky Jetaime: Lindsey - oh boy.. don't even go there
• [12:58] Unmitigated Gall: whose jesus?
• [12:58] Seg Baphomet: Oh that reminds me I have Americone Dream in the freezer.
• [12:58] Wyn Galbraith: No politics.
• [12:58] Basil Wijaya: hehe
• [12:58] Rob Adelaide: I want to address why the damn viewer can't release chunks of page file I'm no longer using, so my page file ends up at 2GB by the end of my SL session
• [12:58] Seg Baphomet: Healthy breakfast!
• [12:58] LindseyWorth Voom: IM NOT WITH YOU
• [12:58] LindseyWorth Voom: waste of time
• [12:58] Wyn Galbraith: Or religion
• [12:59] LindseyWorth Voom: i dont like fiction
• [12:59] Basil Wijaya: me neitherr
• [12:59] Kooky Jetaime: Lindsey - they were saying, if Colbert actually gets elected or on a primary, Comedy Central is gonna be in some serious legal trouble.
• [12:59] Gareth Ellison: any sign of Zero yet?
• [12:59] LindseyWorth Voom: i heard
• [12:59] Saijanai Kuhn: reminds all geek-oriented people that AW Groupies is the in-world discussion group for the design of SL "2.0" and 3.0
• [12:59] Rob Adelaide: why would they be in trouble? advertising?
• [12:59] LindseyWorth Voom: they have to be careful about everything he does.
• [12:59] Saijanai Kuhn: IM me or Zha Ewry for an invite to the group
• [12:59] Seg Baphomet: Why?
• [13:00] Squirrel Wood: Page files in general should be set to a fixed size to prevent fragmentation
• [13:00] Seg Baphomet: LESS POLITICS, MORE CAKE!
• [13:00] Morgaine Dinova: I thought invites required writing something minimally technical on the wiki first :-)))
• [13:00] Squirrel Wood: the cake is a lie!
• [13:00] LindseyWorth Voom: smoke bongs
• [13:00] Rob Adelaide: no, variable page files keep SL from crashing when it goes to 998MB
• [13:00] Basil Wijaya: ah
• [13:00] Eddy Stryker: the cake is not a lie
• [13:00] Eddy Stryker: there is proof
• [13:00] Gareth Ellison: Zero is online
• [13:00] Seg Baphomet: At the end of the meeting, you will be baked, and there will be cake.
• [13:00] Rob Adelaide: I don't know where the hell all that data comes from....I dont' think the textures are worth a gig
• [13:00] LindseyWorth Voom: hehe
• [13:01] Unmitigated Gall: poor avatars on the sim border
• [13:01] Basil Wijaya: he
• [13:01] Unmitigated Gall: zero cant get in
• [13:01] Rob Adelaide: we full?
• [13:01] Gareth Ellison: heh
• [13:01] Unmitigated Gall: i think so
• [13:01] Rob Adelaide: I think zero can go wherever he wants, no?
• [13:01] Gareth Ellison: height of irony
• [13:01] Catherine Pfeffer: i've been working on memory leaks recently
• [13:01] Morgaine Dinova: Hey, we knew cake was involved long before Portal. HHGG's Total Perspective Vortex was extrapolated from a slice of fairy cake :-)
• [13:01] Seg Baphomet: Memory usage is rather high, post voice.
• [13:01] Unmitigated Gall: well i see 4 avatars at sim border trying to get in
• [13:01] Catherine Pfeffer: there's a couple of bugs that are already addressed but it requires LL integrated them :-(
• [13:01] Gareth Ellison: he should be able to get in by entering god mode
• [13:02] Rob Adelaide: I don't understand why SL of all things uses twice the RAM of my Quake 4
• [13:02] Rob Adelaide: it sure shouldn't
• [13:02] Groove Market: cheer
• [13:02] Squirrel Wood: Textures.
• [13:02] Squirrel Wood: the sheer amount of textures it has to render
• [13:02] Seg Baphomet: Has anyone compiled the viewer with -Wpadded yet? ;P
• [13:02] Rob Adelaide: there can't be 2 gigs of textures that SL needs at all times, no?
• [13:02] Chosen Raymaker: welcome 0
• [13:02] Pixel Gausman: rob: tessellation of prims cached
• [13:02] Rob Adelaide: huh?
• [13:02] Squirrel Wood: compared to a typical quake map you have like ten times the textures in SL
• [13:03] Unmitigated Gall: hmm... sim is set to 41 peeps
• [13:03] Eddy Stryker: you also have huge textures in SL
• [13:03] Nite Zelmanov: Yeah, the irony is that amateur content is what makes things so heavy
• [13:03] Squirrel Wood: and an uncompressed 1024x1024 texture takes up quite some space
• [13:03] Nite Zelmanov: If it was all pro and nice looking it would also run better
• [13:03] Rob Adelaide: that doesn't make much sense...but I understand the huge texture issue - SL should drop the ones it doesn't need at the moment though, to save my poor PC
• [13:03] Pixel Gausman: SL has to tessellate Prims, quake uses triangle based formats.
• [13:03] Zero Linden: yikes
• [13:03] Unmitigated Gall: WOOH OOO
• [13:03] Rob Adelaide: I don't know what you mean by that Pixel
• [13:03] Nite Zelmanov: Zero is in the build
• [13:03] Saijanai Kuhn: something wrong, Zero?
• [13:03] Wyn Galbraith: Finally!
• [13:03] Seg Baphomet: SL is designed to handle LOD dynamically.
• [13:03] Rob Adelaide: 'lo?
• [13:03] Saijanai Kuhn: Blnk, blink
• [13:04] Seg Baphomet: It just isn't doing it as well as it should.
• [13:04] Gareth Ellison: hey, Zero is here
• [13:04] LindseyWorth Voom: who is Zero?? and who cares
• [13:04] Unmitigated Gall: hehe,,u got them lined up at sim border trying to get in zero
• [13:04] Rob Adelaide: Sup Rob
• [13:04] Squirrel Wood: lod - level of detail
• [13:04] Rob Adelaide: (Other rob)
• [13:04] Morgaine Dinova: Zero: thanks for the use case for region scalability :-)
• [13:04] Zero Linden: I'm Zero - and I care, 'cause this is my office hours!
• [13:04] Unmitigated Gall: lmao
• [13:04] Zero Linden: okay - let's see - is the pooley stage available?
• [13:04] Saijanai Kuhn: Welcome Zero LInden
• [13:05] LindseyWorth Voom: hmm ok
• [13:05] Dzonatas Sol: thise place is good
• [13:05] Unmitigated Gall: other peeps want to hear
• [13:05] Zero Linden: I see over 10 people waiting to get in
• [13:05] Catherine Pfeffer: The pooley stage would indeed be more adequate
• [13:05] Saijanai Kuhn: Is Dr Dobbs open?
• [13:05] Unmitigated Gall: yes
• [13:05] Zha Ewry: Wow. Full sim and then some
• [13:05] Seg Baphomet: Is there something big for today?
• [13:05] Rob Adelaide: "The Future of SL" brought to you by Zero and CO
• [13:05] Dzonatas Sol: A move would be against the agenda
• [13:05] Unmitigated Gall: or the ibm 4 corner auditorium
• [13:05] Basil Wijaya: want a seat Zero?
• [13:06] Rob Adelaide: I'll give up me seat too
• [13:06] Dnali Anabuki: folks, Zero can just make a seat...
• [13:06] Morgaine Dinova: The floor works fine. It's a bit damp, but it'll do :-)
• [13:06] Zha Ewry: Or raise the sim limit
• [13:06] Basil Wijaya: your right
• [13:06] Basil Wijaya: hehe
• [13:06] Malburns Writer: Dang - awlays crash here
• [13:06] Unmitigated Gall: no.yes..raise sim limit
• [13:06] Kooky Jetaime: We can do Pooley Stage too
• [13:07] Zero Linden: hold on
• [13:07] Kooky Jetaime: But Zero, definatly need to get a bigger venue :)
• [13:07] Squirrel Wood: To proviide more space for other people the sim will reboot in 3, 2, 1, ... ^^
• [13:07] Rob Adelaide: heh
• [13:07] Kooky Jetaime: hahaha Squirrel
• [13:07] Rob Adelaide: gah, don't build :P
• [13:07] Morgaine Dinova: Hehe Squirrel
• [13:07] Seg Baphomet: Raise limit, turn off physics. :)
• [13:07] Wyn Galbraith: Time for Zero to have his own sim.
• [13:07] Dzonatas Sol: If we moves to a larger area for more avi's , then it might slow down others... remember SL4B
• [13:08] Zha Ewry: watch everyone fall through the floor
• [13:08] Morgaine Dinova: SL4B was "interesting". I'd never seen 3D at 0.001 FPS before.
• [13:08] Unmitigated Gall: shouts: hang on guys.. making room or moving location!!!
• [13:08] Seg Baphomet: SL4B?
• [13:08] Mae Whitfield: shouts: Wooo! Thank you!
• [13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: sl 4th bd
• [13:09] Morgaine Dinova: SL's 4th birthday celebration
• [13:09] Dzonatas Sol: SL4B... even Philip Linden couldn't log in
• [13:09] Rob Adelaide: heh, it was impassible
• [13:09] Unmitigated Gall: yes..they want in, big crowd now
• [13:09] Seg Baphomet: Oh yeah.
• [13:09] Zero Linden: shouts: Pooley Stage! Go!
• [13:09] Gareth Ellison: i can't even see Zero's avatar
• [13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: zero is here? ;-)
• [13:09] Gareth Ellison: someone send me a TP to pooley
• [13:09] Catherine Pfeffer: ok... let's go to pooley
• [13:09] Zero Linden: shouts: Pooley Stage - Go!
• [13:09] Unmitigated Gall: ibm has amazing sim.. just sitting empty.. 4 sim corners
• [13:09] Pixel Gausman: tp
• [13:09] Morgaine Dinova: We need a group like AWG but for client scalability.
• [13:09] Pixel Gausman:  ?
• [13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: s;ir;
• [13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: slurl?
• [13:09] Unmitigated Gall: shouts: POOLEY STAGE!!
• [13:10] Morgaine Dinova: SLURL pls
• [13:10] Unmitigated Gall: shouts: go to pooley stage,.,,meeting there
• [13:10] Dzonatas Sol: puts forths a shameless plug: Leopard Already [adapted
• [13:12] Butch Dae: Where is everyone going?
• [13:12] Warthog Jun: they changed location
• [13:13] Butch Dae: Where?
• [13:13] Rob Linden: Pooley Stage
• [13:13] Unmasked Shepherd: and it's already full
• [13:13] Rex Cronon: hi everybody. what is going on?
• [13:13] Warthog Jun: that tears it
• [13:15] Burhop Piccard: Rob, got a slurl?
• [13:15] Tricky Reifsnider: hi everybody
• [13:15] Burhop Piccard: slurl anyone?
• [13:15] Goldie Katsu: ahh Off to pooley I guess
• [13:16] Goldie Katsu: [1]