User:Zero Linden/Office Hours/2007 Oct 30

[12:25] Tree Kyomoon: hello Gareth and Zha :)
[12:26] Gareth Ellison: hey
[12:26] Gareth Ellison: didn't see you there Zha
[12:26] Gareth Ellison: heh
[12:26] Tree Kyomoon: have I missed much in the last week ?
[12:27] Zha Ewry: Hey. I snug in quietly, on my high heels.
[12:27] Gareth Ellison: hasn't been turning up to the office hours as much as i shoudl be
[12:27] Zha Ewry: *snuck
[12:27] Gareth Ellison: *should
[12:28] Tree Kyomoon: looks like no transcripts have gone up either :(
[12:28] Gareth Ellison: funny thing is what i have been doing is coding tons
[12:28] Tree Kyomoon: man leave for a weeek and everything goes to pot :)
[12:28] Gareth Ellison: got some nice packet encoding stuff to merge with streamlet
[12:29] Zha Ewry: Excellent. Gareth, are you on top of mulib, or alongside?
[12:29] Gareth Ellison: Zha: it's all built on top of mulib
[12:29] Zha Ewry: I thought so. Good.
[12:29] Zha Ewry: I am hoping to have a small mulib server up shortly to tinker with
[12:29] Gareth Ellison: streamlet gives a nice HTTP-based event queue system
[12:30] Zha Ewry: And.. I think that Which's dict example, is not idempotent, and I need to try and think about how to mod it so it becomes so.
[12:30] Gareth Ellison: need to finish off mudata and muauth too
[12:30] Saijanai Kuhn: stares at the missing textures of the chairs that aren't tehre
[12:30] Zha Ewry: Its idempoitent on read, but on put.. I think itviolates RESTs rules on idempotent
[12:30] Malburns Writer: Hi Tree
[12:31] Zha Ewry: Two sucessive putters don't find out they clashed, and that's a deep REST no-no.
[12:31] Tree Kyomoon: hello
[12:32] Malburns Writer: afk for quick nibbles
[12:32] Zha Ewry: giggles
[12:32] Zha Ewry: Good idea. Coffee, tho, for me
[12:34] Tree Kyomoon: coffee would be good
[12:35] Warthog Jun: oh wow a place to sit
[12:35] Tree Kyomoon: Mal I like your profile mini website
[12:36] Malburns Writer: Thanks Tree - still working on getting as much in as possible
[12:37] Warthog Jun: zoo keeper
[12:37] Malburns Writer: Yup - seting is rare here normally
[12:39] Tree Kyomoon: anyone know if you can communicate with SL from the mini profile web browser yet?
[12:40] Malburns Writer: you can partly i think - SL messenger loads into it
[12:41] Rob Adelaide: I don't even know what the mini-profile web browser is
[12:41] Malburns Writer: prob most web-based SL services
[12:41] Malburns Writer: display area is pain though
[12:41] Tree Kyomoon: yes it seems trivial to make that box expand...
[12:41] Rob Adelaide: oh, there it is
[12:41] Malburns Writer: your webpage in profile
[12:42] Malburns Writer: you can design to size and there are ways to incorporate tabs
[12:42] Saijanai Kuhn: something called SLeek was just mentioned. A chat only client?
[12:42] Rob Adelaide: your profile in webpage rather?
[12:42] Rob Adelaide: sleek is pretty nifty
[12:42] Rob Adelaide: i used to use it to chat with peeps I was collaborating with on projects while at work without a computer that would run SL
[12:42] Malburns Writer: not sure i used SLeek - seem to recall name though
[12:42] Malburns Writer: Hi Wyn
[12:42] Rob Adelaide: it was one of the products of LibSecondLIfe
[12:43] Rob Adelaide: only text-only client I ever got to work
[12:43] Tree Kyomoon: hey there wyn
[12:43] Zha Ewry: Heya Wyn
[12:43] Rob Adelaide: waves at all the newcomers
[12:43] Catherine Pfeffer: Thanks Rob.
[12:43] Wyn Galbraith: Hello
[12:43] Rob Adelaide: is Zero dropping in or are we just borrowing his office?
[12:44] Catherine Pfeffer: can someone remove the male sex behind me ?
[12:44] Kooky Jetaime: uhm
[12:44] Zha Ewry: Zero's office hours in about 15 minutes
[12:44] Malburns Writer: yes - we are eraly
[12:44] Rob Adelaide: where catherine?
[12:45] Tree Kyomoon: GIgs!
[12:45] Gigs Taggart: you all are here early
[12:45] Gigs Taggart: hi tree
[12:46] Tree Kyomoon: :)
[12:46] Kooky Jetaime: hi Gigs
[12:46] Gigs Taggart: hi
[12:46] Kooky Jetaime: I'm early but very.... unhappy.. reinstalling windows :/
[12:46] Gigs Taggart: I've got to leave half way through :(
[12:46] Saijanai Kuhn: Rob, my Japanese is horrid. What does Showakusai mean?
[12:47] Seg Baphomet: HAY GUYS
[12:47] Rob Adelaide: Asteroid
[12:47] Saijanai Kuhn: ah, kool
[12:47] Rob Adelaide: "Showakusei"
[12:47] Seg Baphomet: I hear this is where the cool kids hang out.
[12:47] Saijanai Kuhn: kusei, thnks
[12:47] Saijanai Kuhn: only the geey ones
[12:47] Rob Adelaide: I don't stink, thanks very much :P
[12:47] Gareth Ellison: was that a giant fedora logo i just saw?
[12:47] Tree Kyomoon: whats with all the "f"s?
[12:48] Gareth Ellison: who's got the fedora particles?
[12:48] Seg Baphomet: They're freedom bubbles.
[12:48] Gareth Ellison: that f looks like the fedora core logo
[12:48] Rob Adelaide: blatant linux promotion?
[12:48] Tree Kyomoon: "f" this, "f" that
[12:48] Wyn Galbraith: It one of the meetings that will never be visited by Prokofy.
[12:48] Kooky Jetaime: haha
[12:48] Kooky Jetaime: freedom bubbles
[12:48] Kooky Jetaime: that are half-infinities
[12:48] Zha Ewry: Actually, Prok came by once, ages ago.
[12:48] Zha Ewry: Zero.. was... IMpressive
[12:48] Gareth Ellison: Zha: hmm?
[12:48] Seg Baphomet: Freedom, in bubble form.
[12:48] Saijanai Kuhn: wishes he was there
[12:48] Kooky Jetaime: Seg - Fedora saved my ass over the past few days
[12:49] Gareth Ellison: Fedora rocks
[12:49] Gareth Ellison: i'm running it right now
[12:49] Gareth Ellison: the KDE menu button is that exact logo
[12:49] Seg Baphomet: I still demand an answer to my Time Cube question!
[12:49] Rob Adelaide: oh no seg, you contributed to the evil that is CSI:NY?
[12:49] Kooky Jetaime: time cube?
[12:49] Seg Baphomet: CITIZENS DEMAND ANSWERS!
[12:49] Rob Adelaide: haha
[12:49] Kooky Jetaime: huh?
[12:49] Wyn Galbraith: Still it's a almost Prokofy free zone.
[12:50] Chosen Raymaker: d
[12:50] Rob Adelaide: Don't Taze Me Bro!
[12:50] LindseyWorth Voom: hahahahaha DONT TAZE ME BRO
[12:50] Morgaine Dinova: Oh dear, never good to TP to a place and the first line you hear mentions Prok
[12:50] Rob Adelaide: makes a mental note to create a Tazer in SL
[12:50] LindseyWorth Voom: "OMG THEY ARE HANDING ME OVER THO THE GOVERNMENT"
[12:50] Seg Baphomet: The future architecture of Second Life must properly employ nature's harmonious 4-day time cube.
[12:51] Zha Ewry: LOL
[12:51] Wyn Galbraith: was delighting in a meeting that wouldn't have that issue, Morgaine ;)
[12:51] Rob Adelaide: I think they should craft SL as a moebius loop so you can never reach the end... o.o
[12:51] Wyn Galbraith: Ring world.
[12:51] Rob Adelaide: ya know, that or a globe
[12:51] Zha Ewry: The good news it that it was mostly abouth w Zero chesed Prok into silence elegently
[12:51] Tree Kyomoon: I agree Rob
[12:51] Wyn Galbraith: I would have loved to have seen that.
[12:52] Tree Kyomoon: My coffee maker has moebius drip
[12:52] Rob Adelaide: I want to be able to TP to places using the same interface as the Wii Weather Channel and News Channel if you know them...
[12:52] Wyn Galbraith: LOL TRee!
[12:52] Kooky Jetaime: gosh, they so need an SP3 version of XP.. get rid of "Msn explorer"
[12:52] Rob Adelaide: ?
[12:52] Rob Adelaide: last I heard you don't have to use MSNE
[12:52] Seg Baphomet: I seem to be lagging hardcore.
[12:52] Kooky Jetaime: yea but its still a default install :)
[12:53] Kooky Jetaime: sim is running great so its all you SEg
[12:53] Rob Adelaide: become a power user - default uninstall it :P
[12:53] Tree Kyomoon: if a kid never shut up you could say they were giving you moebius lip
[12:53] Rob Adelaide: hahaha
[12:53] Wyn Galbraith: PUnny Tree
[12:53] Rob Adelaide: I don't know if that's possible given the current lip-continuum
[12:53] Tree Kyomoon: hey did you all hear that dark matter doesnt exist?
[12:54] Rob Adelaide: now I'm curious, how do you spell continuum?
[12:54] Rob Adelaide: is that right?
[12:54] Tree Kyomoon: it was in the news today
[12:54] LindseyWorth Voom: NO, gEORGE bUSH is STIL ALIVE
[12:54] LindseyWorth Voom: DARK MATTER
[12:54] Wyn Galbraith: Well dark matter is hard to see at night
[12:54] Rob Adelaide: lol
[12:54] Chosen Raymaker: dark matter doesnt exist? what is the stuff then?
[12:54] Tree Kyomoon: they say that gravity doesnt behave as we think it does
[12:54] Rob Adelaide: I have dark matter inside my lightbulb - when I flip the switch off the containment field drops and it sucks in all the light.
[12:54] LindseyWorth Voom: even nothing is something
[12:55] Morgaine Dinova: Dark Matter is just gaffer tape. Any engineer knows what holds the universe together.
[12:55] Dimitrio Lewis: gravity is very misunderstood
[12:55] Gigs Taggart: dark matter is actually an extension of Michael Moore's ass
[12:55] Tree Kyomoon: hah
[12:55] Wyn Galbraith: LOL Gigs.
[12:55] Rob Adelaide: lol @ gigs
[12:55] LindseyWorth Voom: michael moore is great
[12:55] LindseyWorth Voom: very smart
[12:55] Rob Adelaide: he's a friend of mine
[12:55] Seg Baphomet: OH NOHS
[12:55] Rob Adelaide: weird dude
[12:55] Wyn Galbraith: Gravity wins.
[12:55] Rob Adelaide: I am in a continually losing battle with gravity.
[12:55] LindseyWorth Voom: SICKO was a great movie
[12:55] Seg Baphomet: People take Moore too seriously.
[12:56] Wyn Galbraith: We watch all the Michael Moore stuff, haven't seen SICKO yet though.
[12:56] Tree Kyomoon: I fell in with Gravity at a young age...
[12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: if they LET themselves take him too seriously
[12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: its what he says, the facts, that i pay attention to
[12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: not him as a man
[12:56] Catherine Pfeffer: Moore has just understood that the European development model is the correct one.
[12:56] Aymeric Yalin: Script run-time error
[12:56] Aymeric Yalin: Stack-Heap Collision
[12:56] Wyn Galbraith: fell for Gravity even now.
[12:56] Tree Kyomoon: it always visits in the fall
[12:56] Seg Baphomet: He's a satirist.
[12:56] Rob Adelaide: I think he's a politicist
[12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: i learned how the other models operate though
[12:56] Wyn Galbraith: Moore is great for pointing out things we should be considering.
[12:56] LindseyWorth Voom: what he says is factual though so why a politicist
[12:57] Rob Adelaide: because he's into politics?
[12:57] Seg Baphomet: Meh. The british dude said it best.
[12:57] Basil Wijaya: Hi everybody
[12:57] Wyn Galbraith: He does expose the facts, and where are the electric cars?
[12:57] Seg Baphomet: If there's money to bomb people, there's money to heal them.
[12:57] Tree Kyomoon: factie: a particle of truthiness
[12:57] Catherine Pfeffer: Hi basil.
[12:57] LindseyWorth Voom: well he is still making more money thatn you and wil always be more successful
[12:57] Kooky Jetaime: 40 peeps
[12:57] LindseyWorth Voom: truthiness to power
[12:57] Kooky Jetaime: Zero better show up
[12:57] Wyn Galbraith: Zero won't be able to get in!
[12:57] Kooky Jetaime: truthiness hehe
[12:58] Wyn Galbraith: We should have a display here so he can pipe himself in
[12:58] LindseyWorth Voom: COLBERT '08
[12:58] Kooky Jetaime: Wyn - great thing about being a linden.... they can always get in :)
[12:58] Tree Kyomoon: zero is more popular than Jesus
[12:58] Saijanai Kuhn: LOL will need an invite to his own office
[12:58] Kooky Jetaime: Lindsey - oh boy.. don't even go there
[12:58] Unmitigated Gall: whose jesus?
[12:58] Seg Baphomet: Oh that reminds me I have Americone Dream in the freezer.
[12:58] Wyn Galbraith: No politics.
[12:58] Basil Wijaya: hehe
[12:58] Rob Adelaide: I want to address why the damn viewer can't release chunks of page file I'm no longer using, so my page file ends up at 2GB by the end of my SL session
[12:58] Seg Baphomet: Healthy breakfast!
[12:58] LindseyWorth Voom: IM NOT WITH YOU
[12:58] LindseyWorth Voom: waste of time
[12:58] Wyn Galbraith: Or religion
[12:59] LindseyWorth Voom: i dont like fiction
[12:59] Basil Wijaya: me neitherr
[12:59] Kooky Jetaime: Lindsey - they were saying, if Colbert actually gets elected or on a primary, Comedy Central is gonna be in some serious legal trouble.
[12:59] Gareth Ellison: any sign of Zero yet?
[12:59] LindseyWorth Voom: i heard
[12:59] Saijanai Kuhn: reminds all geek-oriented people that AW Groupies is the in-world discussion group for the design of SL "2.0" and 3.0
[12:59] Rob Adelaide: why would they be in trouble? advertising?
[12:59] LindseyWorth Voom: they have to be careful about everything he does.
[12:59] Saijanai Kuhn: IM me or Zha Ewry for an invite to the group
[12:59] Seg Baphomet: Why?
[13:00] Squirrel Wood: Page files in general should be set to a fixed size to prevent fragmentation
[13:00] Seg Baphomet: LESS POLITICS, MORE CAKE!
[13:00] Morgaine Dinova: I thought invites required writing something minimally technical on the wiki first :-)))
[13:00] Squirrel Wood: the cake is a lie!
[13:00] LindseyWorth Voom: smoke bongs
[13:00] Rob Adelaide: no, variable page files keep SL from crashing when it goes to 998MB
[13:00] Basil Wijaya: ah
[13:00] Eddy Stryker: the cake is not a lie
[13:00] Eddy Stryker: there is proof
[13:00] Gareth Ellison: Zero is online
[13:00] Seg Baphomet: At the end of the meeting, you will be baked, and there will be cake.
[13:00] Rob Adelaide: I don't know where the hell all that data comes from....I dont' think the textures are worth a gig
[13:00] LindseyWorth Voom: hehe
[13:01] Unmitigated Gall: poor avatars on the sim border
[13:01] Basil Wijaya: he
[13:01] Unmitigated Gall: zero cant get in
[13:01] Rob Adelaide: we full?
[13:01] Gareth Ellison: heh
[13:01] Unmitigated Gall: i think so
[13:01] Rob Adelaide: I think zero can go wherever he wants, no?
[13:01] Gareth Ellison: height of irony
[13:01] Catherine Pfeffer: i've been working on memory leaks recently
[13:01] Morgaine Dinova: Hey, we knew cake was involved long before Portal. HHGG's Total Perspective Vortex was extrapolated from a slice of fairy cake :-)
[13:01] Seg Baphomet: Memory usage is rather high, post voice.
[13:01] Unmitigated Gall: well i see 4 avatars at sim border trying to get in
[13:01] Catherine Pfeffer: there's a couple of bugs that are already addressed but it requires LL integrated them :-(
[13:01] Gareth Ellison: he should be able to get in by entering god mode
[13:02] Rob Adelaide: I don't understand why SL of all things uses twice the RAM of my Quake 4
[13:02] Rob Adelaide: it sure shouldn't
[13:02] Groove Market: cheer
[13:02] Squirrel Wood: Textures.
[13:02] Squirrel Wood: the sheer amount of textures it has to render
[13:02] Seg Baphomet: Has anyone compiled the viewer with -Wpadded yet? ;P
[13:02] Rob Adelaide: there can't be 2 gigs of textures that SL needs at all times, no?
[13:02] Chosen Raymaker: welcome 0
[13:02] Pixel Gausman: rob: tessellation of prims cached
[13:02] Rob Adelaide: huh?
[13:02] Squirrel Wood: compared to a typical quake map you have like ten times the textures in SL
[13:03] Unmitigated Gall: hmm... sim is set to 41 peeps
[13:03] Eddy Stryker: you also have huge textures in SL
[13:03] Nite Zelmanov: Yeah, the irony is that amateur content is what makes things so heavy
[13:03] Squirrel Wood: and an uncompressed 1024x1024 texture takes up quite some space
[13:03] Nite Zelmanov: If it was all pro and nice looking it would also run better
[13:03] Rob Adelaide: that doesn't make much sense...but I understand the huge texture issue - SL should drop the ones it doesn't need at the moment though, to save my poor PC
[13:03] Pixel Gausman: SL has to tessellate Prims, quake uses triangle based formats.
[13:03] Zero Linden: yikes
[13:03] Unmitigated Gall: WOOH OOO
[13:03] Rob Adelaide: I don't know what you mean by that Pixel
[13:03] Nite Zelmanov: Zero is in the build
[13:03] Saijanai Kuhn: something wrong, Zero?
[13:03] Wyn Galbraith: Finally!
[13:03] Seg Baphomet: SL is designed to handle LOD dynamically.
[13:03] Rob Adelaide: 'lo?
[13:03] Saijanai Kuhn: Blnk, blink
[13:04] Seg Baphomet: It just isn't doing it as well as it should.
[13:04] Gareth Ellison: hey, Zero is here
[13:04] LindseyWorth Voom: who is Zero?? and who cares
[13:04] Unmitigated Gall: hehe,,u got them lined up at sim border trying to get in zero
[13:04] Rob Adelaide: Sup Rob
[13:04] Squirrel Wood: lod - level of detail
[13:04] Rob Adelaide: (Other rob)
[13:04] Morgaine Dinova: Zero: thanks for the use case for region scalability :-)
[13:04] Zero Linden: I'm Zero - and I care, 'cause this is my office hours!
[13:04] Unmitigated Gall: lmao
[13:04] Zero Linden: okay - let's see - is the pooley stage available?
[13:04] Saijanai Kuhn: Welcome Zero LInden
[13:05] LindseyWorth Voom: hmm ok
[13:05] Dzonatas Sol: thise place is good
[13:05] Unmitigated Gall: other peeps want to hear
[13:05] Zero Linden: I see over 10 people waiting to get in
[13:05] Catherine Pfeffer: The pooley stage would indeed be more adequate
[13:05] Saijanai Kuhn: Is Dr Dobbs open?
[13:05] Unmitigated Gall: yes
[13:05] Zha Ewry: Wow. Full sim and then some
[13:05] Seg Baphomet: Is there something big for today?
[13:05] Rob Adelaide: "The Future of SL" brought to you by Zero and CO
[13:05] Dzonatas Sol: A move would be against the agenda
[13:05] Unmitigated Gall: or the ibm 4 corner auditorium
[13:05] Basil Wijaya: want a seat Zero?
[13:06] Rob Adelaide: I'll give up me seat too
[13:06] Dnali Anabuki: folks, Zero can just make a seat...
[13:06] Morgaine Dinova: The floor works fine. It's a bit damp, but it'll do :-)
[13:06] Zha Ewry: Or raise the sim limit
[13:06] Basil Wijaya: your right
[13:06] Basil Wijaya: hehe
[13:06] Malburns Writer: Dang - awlays crash here
[13:06] Unmitigated Gall: no.yes..raise sim limit
[13:06] Kooky Jetaime: We can do Pooley Stage too
[13:07] Zero Linden: hold on
[13:07] Kooky Jetaime: But Zero, definatly need to get a bigger venue :)
[13:07] Squirrel Wood: To proviide more space for other people the sim will reboot in 3, 2, 1, ... ^^
[13:07] Rob Adelaide: heh
[13:07] Kooky Jetaime: hahaha Squirrel
[13:07] Rob Adelaide: gah, don't build :P
[13:07] Morgaine Dinova: Hehe Squirrel
[13:07] Seg Baphomet: Raise limit, turn off physics. :)
[13:07] Wyn Galbraith: Time for Zero to have his own sim.
[13:07] Dzonatas Sol: If we moves to a larger area for more avi's , then it might slow down others... remember SL4B
[13:08] Zha Ewry: watch everyone fall through the floor
[13:08] Morgaine Dinova: SL4B was "interesting". I'd never seen 3D at 0.001 FPS before.
[13:08] Unmitigated Gall: shouts: hang on guys.. making room or moving location!!!
[13:08] Seg Baphomet: SL4B?
[13:08] Mae Whitfield: shouts: Wooo! Thank you!
[13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: sl 4th bd
[13:09] Morgaine Dinova: SL's 4th birthday celebration
[13:09] Dzonatas Sol: SL4B... even Philip Linden couldn't log in
[13:09] Rob Adelaide: heh, it was impassible
[13:09] Unmitigated Gall: yes..they want in, big crowd now
[13:09] Seg Baphomet: Oh yeah.
[13:09] Zero Linden: shouts: Pooley Stage! Go!
[13:09] Gareth Ellison: i can't even see Zero's avatar
[13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: zero is here? ;-)
[13:09] Gareth Ellison: someone send me a TP to pooley
[13:09] Catherine Pfeffer: ok... let's go to pooley
[13:09] Zero Linden: shouts: Pooley Stage - Go!
[13:09] Unmitigated Gall: ibm has amazing sim.. just sitting empty.. 4 sim corners
[13:09] Pixel Gausman: tp
[13:09] Morgaine Dinova: We need a group like AWG but for client scalability.
[13:09] Pixel Gausman: ?
[13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: s;ir;
[13:09] Saijanai Kuhn: slurl?
[13:09] Unmitigated Gall: shouts: POOLEY STAGE!!
[13:10] Morgaine Dinova: SLURL pls
[13:10] Unmitigated Gall: shouts: go to pooley stage,.,,meeting there
[13:10] Dzonatas Sol: puts forths a shameless plug: Leopard Already [adapted
[13:12] Butch Dae: Where is everyone going?
[13:12] Warthog Jun: they changed location
[13:13] Butch Dae: Where?
[13:13] Rob Linden: Pooley Stage
[13:13] Unmasked Shepherd: and it's already full
[13:13] Rex Cronon: hi everybody. what is going on?
[13:13] Warthog Jun: that tears it
[13:15] Burhop Piccard: Rob, got a slurl?
[13:15] Tricky Reifsnider: hi everybody
[13:15] Burhop Piccard: slurl anyone?
[13:15] Goldie Katsu: ahh Off to pooley I guess
[13:16] Goldie Katsu: [1]
[2007/10/30 13:14] Zero Linden: I'm giving everyone another 2 min.
[2007/10/30 13:14] Dzonatas Sol: puts forths a shameless plug: Leopard Already [adapted
[2007/10/30 13:14] Zero Linden: thenI'm starting
[2007/10/30 13:14] Gareth Ellison: Zero: down to business in 2!
[2007/10/30 13:14] JenzZa: Misfit: four what ?
[2007/10/30 13:14] JenzZa: Misfit: lol
[2007/10/30 13:15] Try moving: closer. Can't sit on object because
it is not in the same region as you.
[2007/10/30 13:15] Squirrel Wood: Yay for business!
[2007/10/30 13:15] Morgaine Dinova: Kooky: and that's the problem. Sim straddling is nonsense that comes when you statically map land area to computing resource. Bad infrastructure design.
[2007/10/30 13:15] Kaity Ferraris: hello
[2007/10/30 13:15] IM: Fizz: Okame: still some issues getting in, but if you sit fast, your okay
[2007/10/30 13:15] Try moving: closer. Can't sit on object because
it is not in the same region as you.
[2007/10/30 13:15] JenzZa: Misfit can't enter this region because
the server is full.
[2007/10/30 13:15] [[User:--: [BUG|--: [BUG]]:
[2007/10/30 13:15] No Freenote: hello everyone
[2007/10/30 13:15] Rob Adelaide: stop spouting computer nonsense and let Zero tell us what's up
[2007/10/30 13:15] Rex Cronon: hi everybody
[2007/10/30 13:15] [[User:--: [BUG|--: [BUG]]:
[2007/10/30 13:15] Gareth Ellison: funny, these office hours are a perfect use case for a new grid arch
[2007/10/30 13:15] JenzZa: Misfit: holy catfish
[2007/10/30 13:15] Rob Adelaide: sooner you settle, sooner we get this laggy mess done with
[2007/10/30 13:16] Rob Adelaide: sorry, lapsed into parent mode there
[2007/10/30 13:16] Unmitigated Gall: NOTICE: JenzZa is not lawyer....
[2007/10/30 13:16] Kaity Ferraris: no
[2007/10/30 13:16] JenzZa: Misfit: UG !!
[2007/10/30 13:16] JenzZa: Misfit: lol
[2007/10/30 13:16] Gareth Ellison: Zero: i hope you're physically in the data centre with a laptop plugged into the sim with an ethernet crossover to cope with this sanely
[2007/10/30 13:16] Wyn Galbraith: got a new card now needs more memory.
[2007/10/30 13:16] Morgaine Dinova: Yep, we're providing ourselves with a nice use case for region scalability.
[2007/10/30 13:16] Try moving: closer. Can't sit on object because
it is not in the same region as you.
[2007/10/30 13:16] Fizz Okame: hey jenz, just sit down fast, and you wont be thrown out of the sim
[2007/10/30 13:16] JenzZa: Misfit: **** heres a surprise *** Unmitigate Gall is a funny guy !
[2007/10/30 13:16] Zero Linden: actually I'm in the MV location, connected over a DSL line shared with 8 other people who are almost all in SL too!
[2007/10/30 13:16] Gareth Ellison: ow
[2007/10/30 13:16] Rob Adelaide: funny enough, my pagefile from SL has actually gone DOWN since I moved to Pooley
[2007/10/30 13:17] Rob Adelaide: so my computer isn't going to start on fire
[2007/10/30 13:17] Zero Linden: Acutally, the worst part is the name bubbles all jittering
[2007/10/30 13:17] Gareth Ellison: i'm seeing less lag here too :)
[2007/10/30 13:17] Gareth Ellison: turn off name bubbles :)
[2007/10/30 13:17] JenzZa: Misfit: I DID IT !
[2007/10/30 13:17] Rob Adelaide: CTRL+ALT+F1 Zero my buddeh
[2007/10/30 13:17] JenzZa: Misfit: OMG
[2007/10/30 13:17] Gareth Ellison: i went into wireframe before to cope
[2007/10/30 13:17] Zero Linden: shouts: OKAY
[2007/10/30 13:17] Gareth Ellison: err, down to business now?
[2007/10/30 13:17] JenzZa: Misfit: Basil ! may I use your head for a TV screen ?
[2007/10/30 13:17] Basil Wijaya: people diminish your graphics draw distance
[2007/10/30 13:17] Zero Linden: So - this is a bit more of a turn out than I expected
[2007/10/30 13:17] Morgaine Dinova: Hit us with it Zero :-)
[2007/10/30 13:17] Dzonatas Sol: shouts: (last shout out) /me puts forths a shameless plug: Leopard Already [adapted
[2007/10/30 13:18] Basil Wijaya: hehe
[2007/10/30 13:18] Zero Linden: Glad you all care
[2007/10/30 13:18] Basil Wijaya: I got it this morning
[2007/10/30 13:18] Seg Baphomet: STOP SPAMMING
[2007/10/30 13:18] Incredible Tomorrow: Hey saij
[2007/10/30 13:18] Morgaine Dinova: FFS Dzon
[2007/10/30 13:18] Gareth Ellison: Zero: agenda for today?
[2007/10/30 13:18] Unmasked Shepherd: don't be nervous, Zero ::snickers::
[2007/10/30 13:18] Zero Linden: Okay - Everyone - Quiet
[2007/10/30 13:18] Zero Linden: Some ground rules
[2007/10/30 13:18] Fizz Okame: we hate spam, spam BAD.... :(
[2007/10/30 13:18] JenzZa: Misfit: i turned my draw all the way down ..and now Zero is a stick figurine
[2007/10/30 13:19] Rob Adelaide: (I think he just looks like that anyway)
[2007/10/30 13:19] JenzZa: Misfit: ( oh !)
[2007/10/30 13:19] Zero Linden: 1) This is my office hours, and it is public - everything said goes in the transcript on the wiki
[2007/10/30 13:19] Zero Linden: 2) Kill the normal background chatter
[2007/10/30 13:19] Fizz Okame: Zero, you seriously need more food...
[2007/10/30 13:19] Zero Linden: really - all of it
[2007/10/30 13:19] Zero Linden: With this many people, we won't get anywhere if there is the normal chatter
[2007/10/30 13:20] IM: gromike: Borrelly: this is not a metaversed pb i't's a linden lag pb, put some dev on it before someone understand there is a real market
[2007/10/30 13:20] Wyn Galbraith: Hush Zero wants abnormal chatter.
[2007/10/30 13:20] Morgaine Dinova: It's still a dialogue though, not a monologue
[2007/10/30 13:20] Zero Linden: Whew
[2007/10/30 13:20] Rex Cronon: this "dialogue" might get quite hard to read if everybody starts talking at the same time:((
[2007/10/30 13:20] Wyn Galbraith: Zero's wearing a suit!
[2007/10/30 13:20] Zero Linden: Yes - Morgaine - I didn't say don't talk, I said don't chatter
[2007/10/30 13:21] [[User:--: [BUG|--: [BUG]]:
[2007/10/30 13:21] Zero Linden: Now - I do have a bit of a monologue to start so - well, listen' up
[2007/10/30 13:21] IM: Unmitigated: Gall: mmmmmm.. getting charcoal going.... ribeyes for supper....
[2007/10/30 13:21] Zero Linden: Now, there have been some really good questions raised about the scope and extent of the AWG,
[2007/10/30 13:22] Zero Linden: And about how it is going to go about its business
[2007/10/30 13:22] Zigomar Abruzzo: starting or not ??????<
[2007/10/30 13:22] Zero Linden: And some outside events have caused even more stir
[2007/10/30 13:22] IM: Mo: Hax throws popcorn and turns back around
[2007/10/30 13:22] IM: Mo: Hax: ;)
[2007/10/30 13:23] Zero Linden: Lastly, there has been some amount of, er, animosity in the wiki editing
[2007/10/30 13:23] IM: Mo: Hax: i'm much better now
[2007/10/30 13:23] Zero Linden: So - my goal here is to clear some of this up
[2007/10/30 13:23] IM: Mo: Hax: congrats on success of rendezvous, heard about on metaversed
[2007/10/30 13:23] Zero Linden: First off - I take a fair bit of blame
[2007/10/30 13:23] Zero Linden: The timing of the first AWG meeting was really bad for me
[2007/10/30 13:24] [[User:--: [BUG|--: [BUG]]:
[2007/10/30 13:24] X-F: All: Go
[2007/10/30 13:24] Rob Adelaide: oh goody
[2007/10/30 13:24] JenzZa: Misfit: argh
[2007/10/30 13:24] Zero Linden: right after I gave 4 public appearances - two of them big talks out of town
[2007/10/30 13:24] Nite Zelmanov: CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-= push it
[2007/10/30 13:24] Zero Linden: kill the particles
[2007/10/30 13:24] Morgaine Dinova: A griefer?
[2007/10/30 13:24] Unmitigated Gall: just ignore them.. they go away
[2007/10/30 13:24] Rex Cronon: shouts: turn the DS off
[2007/10/30 13:24] Zero Linden: contol-alt-shift-minus
[2007/10/30 13:25] Morgaine Dinova: That was pretty stupid, whoever it was
[2007/10/30 13:25] Zero Linden: which doesn't work in my viewer ... dang
[2007/10/30 13:25] Zero Linden: anyhow
[2007/10/30 13:25] Incredible Tomorrow: wtf?
[2007/10/30 13:25] JenzZa: Misfit: mine either
[2007/10/30 13:25] JenzZa: Misfit: LOL
[2007/10/30 13:25] Jessica Qin: ctrl-alt-shift-=
[2007/10/30 13:25] Rob Adelaide: try ctrl+alt+shift+= zero
[2007/10/30 13:25] Zero Linden: So - I've been a bit absent
[2007/10/30 13:25] Zero Linden: in anyevent
[2007/10/30 13:25] JenzZa: Misfit: go into PREFS
[2007/10/30 13:25] Saijanai Kuhn: worked
[2007/10/30 13:25] No Freenote: it's obviously a public service announcement.
[2007/10/30 13:25] JenzZa: Misfit: and put paritcal count on ZERO
[2007/10/30 13:25] JenzZa: Misfit: tadah
[2007/10/30 13:26] Tracey Sassoon: lindsey please
[2007/10/30 13:26] [[User:--: [BUG|--: [BUG]]:
[2007/10/30 13:26] JenzZa: Misfit: not in kansas anymore <--- repeat
[2007/10/30 13:26] Zero Linden: stop IMing me with who it is -
[2007/10/30 13:26] Unmitigated Gall: wow.. good call Jenzza... even if you have never passed the bar
[2007/10/30 13:26] Zero Linden: turn off your particles
[2007/10/30 13:26] Vicero Lambert: Hi all sorry I'm late
[2007/10/30 13:26] Zero Linden: I'll deal with them later
[2007/10/30 13:27] Gareth Ellison: Zero - can we be told what subjects have been the target of this animosity on the wiki?
[2007/10/30 13:27] Zero Linden: but really - if it is you - kill the damn particles
[13:23] Vicero Lambert: sorry I'm late
[13:34] Zero Linden: and now have a place to publically send everyone who wants to be involved with that
[13:35] Zero Linden: Which is here: [2]
[13:35] Bob Bunderfeld: So, can you say, since a lot of the people on the Blog Comments think the release meant IBM was coming to the Technical Aid of Second Life, if IBM is helping with Second Life or not?
[13:36] Zero Linden: The press release makes that pretty clear.
[13:36] Zero Linden: If you are asking if there is some underside - swooping in of IBM engineers at the Linden Lab HQs: no, there isn't
[13:36] Burhop Piccard: Zero - how do we know where to get involved [3] or in AWG?
[13:36] Rob Adelaide: Can you specify what IBM is doing to improve grid operation, if anything, seperate from this interop thing?
[13:36] Seg Baphomet: You seem to be defining "Technical Aid" as "Throw more hardware at it"
[13:37] Rob Adelaide: to rephrase, are they helping with PERFORMANCE?
[13:37] Gareth Ellison: if i could comment on that - the AWG stuff will naturally lead to vastly improved performance
[13:37] Fizz Okame: multiverse and google working together are going to put sl out of business if there isnt serious development happening at Linden and IBM. Its a real concern
[13:37] Dnali Anabuki: shouts: This is exciting...thanks Zero
[13:38] Bob Bunderfeld: The Press Release, read at IBM, speaks quite differently about what they are doing, then what was posted on the Linden Blog. This is what have people wondering what, if anything, IBM is doing to help Linden lab with Second Life.
[13:39] Dnali Anabuki: shouts: Google is not going to set up a competitor with SL
[13:39] Dnali Anabuki: shouts: they will make it possible for avatars to enter the maps
[13:39] Dnali Anabuki: shouts: not the same thing IMHO
[13:39] Gareth Ellison: Dnali: that is going to be a massive competitor to SL
[13:39] Morgaine Dinova: Bob: I don't see how either IBM's or LL's press statements could be interpreted to mean that. They're pretty clear. They're about futures.
[13:39] Fizz Okame: google buys everything it sees to put places like sl out of business! dont fool yourself! Linden should partner with Google, too
[13:39] Zero Linden: Stop - I'm not going to talk about Google or any other external group that is roumored about
[13:40] Goldie Katsu: is hoping Zero gets to finish what he wanted to say initially including information on the AWG's role before I have to leave at 2SLT
[13:40] Gareth Ellison: yeah, let Zero finish off people
[13:40] Zigomar Abruzzo: is this a question period or what ? can't we just listen ?
[13:40] Zero Linden: Now - There is that industry group forming - it has no clear goals yet - they are still forming them
[13:40] Zero Linden: If you want to be part of that - go to that wiki and get involved
[13:41] JenzZa Misfit: GAH
[13:41] Basil Wijaya: I'll go
[13:41] Basil Wijaya: Continue Zero
[13:41] Tillie Ariantho: It's that griefer LindsayWorth Voom again.
[13:41] Dale Innis: ooo a house!
[13:41] Zero Linden: fie
[13:41] Tillie Ariantho: Can someone ban her, finally?
[13:41] Zero Linden: okay
[13:42] Zero Linden: Now AWG
[13:42] Basil Wijaya: Dont let griefers take your time
[13:42] Gareth Ellison: Zero: so, am i correct that the AWG is seperate from this new industry group?
[13:42] Zero Linden: My vie of the AWG has not changed - but I realize that it may not have been well communicated in the past
[13:42] Zigomar Abruzzo: shouts: stop questionning and listen !
[13:42] Zero Linden: So - I'mhere to try to clear it all up and get it on the right footing
[13:43] Zero Linden: The AWG is on the one hand a much less ambitious effort - and on the other - the biggest thign that could happen to SL
[13:43] Zero Linden: It is less ambitious in that it is tackling only one view of what an Internet wide metaverse
[13:44] Zero Linden: which is: Take SL and make it work with 60 million regions.... most run by non LL entities
[13:44] Zero Linden: On the other hand - it is a much more concrete objective than say other groups may be contempalating at this time
[13:45] Zero Linden: Now - here's the way to think about this
[13:46] Zero Linden: I want the AWG to help LL get the current protocol set of SL into a form that can be opened up and interoperate with efforts like OpenSim and LibSL
[13:47] Gareth Ellison: Zero: is not interoperability much easier than scalability? why are both being treated as one project?
[13:47] Rob Adelaide: As an effort to improve this interoperation, will any of the sim sourcecode be released?
[13:47] Zero Linden: Tao - I've pointed you to the wiki of one group - it is as much online as they've said - and having been in the only two other meetings they had - believe me that is what they have right now
[13:47] Gareth Ellison: there are numerous ways to open up the current grid to opensim servers for example
[13:48] Zero Linden: Well - these terms interoperability and scalability are really way too wide to be useul and I've come to see
[13:48] Zero Linden: that they are a source of much of the problems
[13:48] Morgaine Dinova: Gareth: because if interop people don't design for scalability, it won't be scalable, and vice versa.
[13:48] Zero Linden: Interoprability can mean a zillion things
[13:48] Zero Linden: I won't go into the possible meanings
[13:48] Zero Linden: instead I will tell you what it means for AWG
[13:49] Gareth Ellison: Morgaine: one can open up the current grid to opensim right now while still working constantly on scalability aspects, but let's argue that one later
[13:49] Zero Linden: It means making a second life that can have regions run outside of LL, with separate impelemntations
[13:49] Zero Linden: and it menas having agent domains that are run outside of LL, with separate implemetnations
[13:49] Zero Linden: That's it
[13:49] Rob Adelaide: for the less tech-savvy among us what is an agent domain - like an asset server?
[13:50] Zero Linden: While other kinds of interoperability may fall out for free -
[13:50] Gareth Ellison: Zero: does this mean questions of per-region scalability are moot points?
[13:50] Zero Linden: (Rob - read the wiki)
[13:50] Gareth Ellison: i.e how many clients per simulator etc
[13:50] Zero Linden: Gareth - yes, to a point
[13:50] Zero Linden: So - scalability
[13:50] Zero Linden: this can also mean way way too man y things
[13:50] Gareth Ellison: if one can have essentially infinite regions but a finite number of clients per region then would that be the goals of the AWG satisfied?
[13:50] Zero Linden: What it means with respect to AWG is
[13:51] Zero Linden: The grid itself must scale to the number of agents, regions and on-line that I've outlined
[13:52] Gareth Ellison: that is an easy task
[13:52] Gareth Ellison: if per-region scalability is just an issue of hardware resources then i'd call it trivial
[13:52] Saijanai Kuhn: shouts: reading material: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Architecture_Working_Group_Glossary#Agent
[13:52] Morgaine Dinova: No, it doesn't mean that, because the protocols that underpin scalable third-party grids have to be able to scale to large regions, even if Linden's regions don't want to support that. We are working on protocols for a supergrid, not just LL's design choices, which are a subset.
[13:52] Gareth Ellison: it's just a matter of making each grid component load-balanceable and redundant
[13:52] Zero Linden: Now - there is one other aspect that relates to both interoperability and scaling that is where I think people are getting hung up
[13:53] Zero Linden: We want to be sure that the protocols are supportive of both alternative implementations and future extension
[13:53] Gareth Ellison: so the protocol need not make a specific region size mandatory
[13:53] Zero Linden: But that will have to be within reason - where reason is defined as we are going to implement this in the next year
[13:53] Morgaine Dinova: Scalability of regions has nothing to do with hardware, it's a design issue.
[13:54] Zero Linden: So
[13:54] Zero Linden: To attack the hard nut
[13:54] Zero Linden: I don't think that the protocols we are likely to develop in the next six months will support, say 20k agents in a single region
[13:55] Gareth Ellison: ok, so each region can be a simulator or group of simulators of arbitary size and the protocol does not care how many users that simulator supports
[13:55] Zero Linden: That is because supporting that requires a major new structure of protocol and I'm pretty sure we don't know what that is at this point
[13:55] Gareth Ellison: then put a nice scalable grid services backend on it and you're ready to rock
[13:55] Gareth Ellison: Zero: i'll ask you a question - is DNS scalable?
[13:55] Catherine Pfeffer: I read the wiki and did not get a clear view of what an agents domain was.
[13:56] Zero Linden: Right now, the protocols for handling agents could, perhaps handle 200 or so.... but beyond that we need some major new concepts of how to handle agents in a close space
[13:56] Gareth Ellison: i.e the number of .com domains we can get - is that on the same level as you want for the future of SL?
[13:56] Zero Linden: So - AWG isn't going to do that out of the starting gate
[13:56] Rhubarb Rabeni: sa
[13:57] Vicero Lambert: a dns can have multible zones. for example server1.zone1.lindenlab.com
[13:57] Gareth Ellison: Zero: DNS? good analogy in terms of raw numbers?
[13:57] Zero Linden: Lastly - while I did put in backend details in the slides for teh AWG - it got us too bogged down in them
[13:57] Morgaine Dinova: You can't put a scalable access mechanism like REST services onto the front of a non-scalable back end and call the whole thing scalable. It's only as scalable as the least scalable link in the chain.
[13:58] Gigs Taggart: Zero: will we see some leadership to eject people who don't agree with this vision of the AWG?
[13:58] Gigs Taggart: People that persistantly sidetrack the AWG
[13:58] Zero Linden: Each group contemplating a back end should look out for their impelemtnation stragtegy
[13:59] Vicero Lambert: wounders why people are brining up google and IBM when this is reguarding to AWG?!?!?!?!?
[13:59] Zero Linden: and ensure that the protocol supports what they are planning
[13:59] Seg Baphomet: Seems to me, detaching asset download from the sims would be relatively low hanging fruit.
[13:59] Zero Linden: We have one backnd implemetnation design and will work to ensure that it works with that
[14:00] Vicero Lambert: lol
[14:00] Basil Wijaya: maybe mute
[14:00] Gareth Ellison: i'm going to have to go offline here - can someone stick the transcripts on the wiki and i'll be pestering you Zero later
[14:01] Zero Linden: Okay - now
[14:01] Zero Linden: as for AWG moving forward
[14:01] Gareth Ellison: perhaps i'll just idle actually..
[14:01] Tree Kyomoon: Im going to try to post the transcript today
[14:01] Morgaine Dinova: Not just works, but works and scales. That's the expressed motivation for the AWG after all.
[14:01] Zero Linden: While I think that it is good that people are thinking very forward about things like alternate ideas of geometry and
[14:01] Zero Linden: interesting constructions of assets
[14:02] Zero Linden: we aren't really here to wholesale resdesign SL
[14:02] Wolt Amat: Have overall social goals been defined for a multiple grip world?
[14:02] Wolt Amat: grid*
[14:02] Zero Linden: So - I'm going to ask that those conversations be placed in a different space
[14:02] Seg Baphomet: Don't fall prey to Second System effect. :)
[14:03] Zero Linden: but that those people, having those discussions keep abreast of the actual designs in the AWG
[14:03] Zero Linden: and chime in when you think we are closing a door that won't be re-openable in the future
[14:03] Zero Linden: when someone is actually ready to implement those forward ideas
[14:03] Wolt Amat: Zero, is there a shared requirements document for the AWG?
[14:03] Tree Kyomoon: who will take ownership of that Zero?
[14:04] Zero Linden: Ownership of "that"? which that
[14:04] Basil Wijaya: heh
[14:04] Nite Zelmanov: I think that is a very good distinction. We aren't redesigning SL, but trying to get the current SL to the interop and scale goals that zero identified
[14:04] Zero Linden: I'm going to take ownership of triaging what is in and what is out of scope of the AWG
[14:04] Tree Kyomoon: that is, how does one expect 1000 people to manage themselves in an organized fashion?
[14:04] JenzZa Misfit: eek
[14:04] Zero Linden: which I realize looks like a unilateral decision by, well, me
[14:04] Wolt Amat: Like any other standards body.
[14:04] Zero Linden: but - er - it is
[14:04] Saijanai Kuhn: has always suggest ed that AW Groupies pages be seen as discussion pages, while the AWG space be reserved for the "official" stuff
[14:04] Zero Linden: :-)
[14:04] Rex Cronon: isn't the protocol going to be open?
[14:05] Tree Kyomoon: I think that is positive Zero. Do you want to appoint some assistants officially?
[14:05] Tree Kyomoon: and assign specific management tasks?
[14:05] Zero Linden: Open doesn't mean that everyone can add anything they want to it at any moment
[14:05] Zha Ewry: Zero, in terms of allowing alternative implementations, at the protocol level. how do you avoid people who want to host alternatiev content from lfowing it over the prottocols?
[14:05] Zero Linden: Right - at this stage - our goal is to get to interoperable implementations of the SL grid
[14:06] Zero Linden: So - open, I want and need your input and your hard work - but we need to be able to limit scope
[14:06] Wolt Amat: Zero, you may need to put together a shared requirements document first, so everyone has a shared view of scoipe and goals.
[14:06] Zero Linden: limit scope to actually getting stuff done
[14:06] Zero Linden: in the near term
[14:07] Zero Linden: So
[14:07] Zero Linden: with that
[14:07] Saijanai Kuhn: most in the AW Groupies agree that the prototols should be designed for extensibility, if I read our views right
[14:07] Zero Linden: I will be doing some pretty serious wiki editing in the next week
[14:07] Wolt Amat: You may want to limit scope of the effort of implementation, but not the scope of goal definition.
[14:07] Vicero Lambert: :)
[14:07] Morgaine Dinova: If there are non-negociable, non-community elements, they should go on a non-wiki page. Locking pages on a wiki sets a very bad precedent for a community project.
[14:07] Vicero Lambert: awsome :) ty rob and zero
[14:07] Vicero Lambert: ty liana
[14:07] Zero Linden: I will be moving stuff that I think is out of scope or better elsewhere to elsewhere
[14:08] Tree Kyomoon: excellent!
[14:08] Zero Linden: That all said then -
[14:08] Zero Linden: we are rather over time
[14:08] Vicero Lambert: agrees
[14:08] Zero Linden: and I'm late for another public appearance
[14:08] Rob Adelaide: the wiki is cool! by everyones, thanks zero, rob
[14:08] Gareth Ellison: my plan to go offline failed......
[14:08] Morgaine Dinova: Rob: a community tool, and a very good one
[14:08] Burhop Piccard: So.... what about adapting what is there to the more clear goals that you have provided today?
[14:08] Gareth Ellison: it's nice to see a more focused set of goals Zero
[14:09] Vicero Lambert: Seeya all gona head out need to get some lunch
[14:09] Zero Linden: Tao - I do
[14:09] Zero Linden: I put a moratorium on them for all of Dec. and Jan.!
[14:09] Morgaine Dinova: Hehe
[14:09] Tree Kyomoon: if someone could pass me the conversation between 13:09 and 13:26 here at pooley I would greatly appreciate it
[14:10] Tree Kyomoon: I was unable to teleport
[14:10] Zero Linden: okay then - later all
[14:10] Burhop Piccard: Rob - no, I read I was going to be "triaged" :-(
[14:10] Rex Cronon: bye zero
[14:10] Morgaine Dinova: Tree: I'm sorry that the region implementation is non-scalable
[14:10] Jason Swain: shouts: See you Zero, Thanks
[14:10] Basil Wijaya: Tks Zero
[14:10] Mae Whitfield: Thanks Zero!
[14:10] Frans Charming: waves zero goodbye
[14:10] Tree Kyomoon: thanks Zero!
[14:10] Dnali Anabuki: shouts: thks Zero
[14:11] Mo Hax: keep up the great work zero and gang
[14:11] Saijanai Kuhn: shouts: laters Zero
[14:11] Sean Linden: chat is used because it's more easily logged
[14:11] Basil Wijaya: Things are moving fast
[14:11] Sean Linden: hard to post audio on a wiki
[14:11] Gareth Ellison: hey Sean
[14:11] Harleen Gretzky: bye Zero, Rob, Sean and Liana
[14:12] Dirk Talamasca: Voice to text..
[14:12] Saijanai Kuhn: a reminder to all that the inworld discussion group for teh AWG is AW Groupies
[14:12] Saijanai Kuhn: shouts: a reminder to all that the inworld discussion group for teh AWG is AW Groupies
[14:12] Sean Linden: tao: sure I'll get right on that ;-)
[14:12] Tracey Sassoon: how do we join ?
[14:12] Gareth Ellison: i'll TP out now
[14:12] Saijanai Kuhn: shouts: IM me or Zha Ewry for an invite
[14:12] Tracey Sassoon: thanks
[14:13] Gareth Ellison: someone drop an IM in the AW Groupies when transcripts are up
[14:13] Tree Kyomoon: I can invite you too

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