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| [7:58] | Free Radar HUD v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets | |
| [7:58] | Radar HUD v1.1: Type /3help for a summary of the commands. | |
| [7:58] | Jenika's Glasses - Oval Frame w/Clip-Ons: Say '/1 menu' or touch the glasses to open the control panel. | |
| [7:58] | MineSweeper v2.1j: | secondlife:///app/teleport/Longfellow/194/55/26 |
| Arcadia Jonson won L$12 with a score of 123 | ||
| [7:58] | ZHAO-Outrider Male Poses (right click and select wear): 2282 bytes free | |
| [7:59] | Gellan Glenelg: | hi CG |
| [7:59] | HALEY Salomon: | hiya |
| [8:00] | Tegg Bode: | Hi CG |
| [8:00] | CG Linden: | Good morning :) |
| [8:00] | Ozzy Wozniak: | hi :) |
| [8:00] | Erinyse Planer: | morning cg |
| [8:00] | Erinyse Planer: | pop quiz which person usually here is my alt? |
| [8:00] | HALEY Salomon: | o0 |
| [8:01] | Tegg Bode: | Me ? :) |
| [8:01] | CG Linden: | Not me :) I know my alt :) |
| [8:01] | Erinyse Planer pffts at tegg. I only play females | |
| [8:01] | Earadriede Callisto: | lol |
| [8:01] | Tegg Bode: | Some of my alts have alts I don't know about ;) |
| [8:01] | HALEY Salomon: | ok funny |
| [8:01] | Erinyse Planer giggles | |
| [8:02] | Bri Gufler: | Hi everyone |
| [8:02] | Gellan Glenelg: | hi bri |
| [8:02] | Erinyse Planer: | give ya a hint. shes usually a pin in your butt cg :P |
| [8:02] | Erinyse Planer: | hey bri |
| [8:02] | Erinyse Planer: | *pain |
| [8:02] | Gellan Glenelg: | oh - that could be one of hundreds ;P |
| [8:03] | CG Linden is collecting notes | |
| [8:03] | CG Linden: | Hi Lam |
| [8:03] | Lamorna Proctor: | Morning, CG |
| [8:03] | Lamorna Proctor: | morning everyone |
| [8:03] | CG Linden: | /dev/dull, cute one... |
| [8:03] | Lamorna Proctor: | or afternoon, evening... |
| [8:03] | Erinyse Planer: | morning lam |
| [8:03] | Bri Gufler: | heheh |
| [8:03] | CG Linden: | I often typo it, and call if /dev/bull :) |
| [8:03] | Erinyse Planer: | give ya another hint cg |
| [8:03] | Erinyse Planer: | /mew |
| [8:03] | Erinyse Planer mews | |
| [8:04] | CG Linden: | (-; |
| [8:05] | Erinyse Planer: | heh if that dont work well I think my name is listed in the app that got my other char into battery st. :P |
| [8:05] | CG Linden: | Ok, let's see.... |
| [8:06] | CG Linden: | This week, no rolling restart |
| [8:06] | CG Linden: | simulators are safe for now |
| [8:06] | Tegg Bode: | Hmm so whats on your plate this week CG? |
| [8:06] | Erinyse Planer: | *pouts* no fix yet for collissions then? |
| [8:06] | CG Linden: | for me it's a short week |
| [8:06] | Gellan Glenelg: | no meeting on 4th, I assume? |
| [8:06] | CG Linden: | well, we'll deploy next week's rolling restart on the beta^h^h^h^hpreview grid (aditi) |
| [8:07] | CG Linden: | nope, I'll be sleepong in that day :) |
| [8:07] | Erinyse Planer makes plans to go sit fireworks off outside cg's house *giggles evilly* | |
| [8:08] | CG Linden: | One problem is that our lead physics guy is on vacation, so all bugs havingto do with physics will take a while to get fixed |
| [8:08] | CG Linden: | including Lam's favorite critter |
| [8:08] | Lamorna Proctor: | does that include the fix i need for chess, etc? |
| [8:08] | Lamorna Proctor: | :( |
| [8:09] | CG Linden: | sorry, but tat guy's been working 12h days ever since I got to LindenLab |
| [8:09] | Lamorna Proctor: | i'm getting increasing flak from customers |
| [8:09] | Close Range: | Arcadia Jonson [36m] |
| [8:09] | Erinyse Planer pouts "the rp sim owners and the weopons makers are getting really hurt by the collision issue | |
| [8:09] | Erinyse Planer: | especially byu the idiots that buy weopons then complain they dont work even when shown the jira that explains why they dont work *sighs* |
| [8:10] | CG Linden: | well, it looks like the following ones will be fixed next week, though: |
| [8:10] | CG Linden: | SVC-2485: Phantom Objects Collide with Virtual Prims in 1.22.2 |
| [8:10] | CG Linden: | SVC-2484: llVolumeDetect() Fails to detect some avatars |
| [8:11] | CG Linden: | are those the collision bugs you were refering to? |
| [8:11] | Tegg Bode: | Hmm that could be trouble by the sounds of things, well, it will get fixed eventually I guess |
| [8:12] | HALEY Salomon: | that jumping bug ,, seems to be back the one ,, we just fly up for no reason . |
| [8:12] | Battery Street Irregulars whispers: Thanks for your interest in the Battery Street Irregulars. We'll be contacting you soon! | |
| [8:12] | HALEY Salomon: | Is tat on the list to be fixed |
| [8:12] | Erinyse Planer: | thats two of the issues yes |
| [8:13] | CG Linden: | Don't think so... I showed it to Andrew (our physics guy) before he left |
| [8:13] | CG Linden: | Hi Nite... |
| [8:13] | CG Linden: | and he kind of went "oh no, not that again" :) |
| [8:13] | HALEY Salomon: | ops |
| [8:14] | CG Linden: | this week, we're continuing to tweak the web services |
| [8:15] | CG Linden: | unfortunately, they are proving to be a new generator of failure points |
| [8:15] | CG Linden: | this Sunday they were the cause of disruptions |
| [8:15] | CG Linden: | mainly due to a "spiral of doom" type effect |
| [8:15] | Erinyse Planer: | that doesnt sound good |
| [8:16] | CG Linden: | were a heavy weight request triggers a lot of secondary requests, which backs up other requests and increases the load, which .... |
| [8:16] | CG Linden: | there are also some design issues that weren't quite thought through .... |
| [8:17] | Erinyse Planer: | so what does this mean? |
| [8:17] | Erinyse Planer: | that theres going to be another redesign? |
| [8:17] | Tegg Bode: | Yep that's life I suppose, have to break a few eggs occasionally |
| [8:18] | CG Linden: | it mainly means that the replacement of all database calls with web services will take a little while... |
| [8:19] | CG Linden: | on the other hand, they do provide a nice framework, and this week we are deploying a preliminary code set which will eventually permit escrow-type transactions |
| [8:19] | Lamorna Proctor pricks up her ears | |
| [8:19] | CG Linden: | this will eventually allow objects to detect whether transactions succeeded.... |
| [8:19] | Lamorna Proctor: | :) |
| [8:19] | CG Linden: | but the emphasis is on eventuallu |
| [8:20] | Erinyse Planer: | meaning still probably months away ... we understand |
| [8:20] | CG Linden: | as far as I'm concerned, it is -way- beyond my horizon |
| [8:20] | CG Linden: | but eh, we got some of our best people working on it |
| [8:20] | Lamorna Proctor: | It's not just L$ transactions we need that for, we also need confirmation that inventory offers have been accepted |
| [8:21] | CG Linden: | yes, the idea is that you collect all parts of a "bargain" and only proceed of all parts are present. |
| [8:21] | CG Linden: | if |
| [8:21] | Lamorna Proctor: | good |
| [8:22] | Erinyse Planer: | cg anyword on if SVC-2511 is going to be addressed at all next week? |
| [8:24] | CG Linden: | Looking |
| [8:25] | CG Linden: | If you think PJIRA is slow, you should see how slow our internal Jira is :) |
| [8:26] | HALEY Salomon: | CG ,, that sliding into the room animation is great did u make it ?? |
| [8:26] | CG Linden: | well, I guess it will come up eventually :) |
| [8:26] | Erinyse Planer: | nto worried about slowness "*Shrugs** but... worried about the fact ive seen three weopons makers out of business 4 others strugling, and 3 rp sim sets on the verge of clsoing |
| [8:26] | CG Linden: | No, I didn't make it |
| [8:26] | HALEY Salomon: | landmark please ?? |
| [8:27] | CG Linden: | Outrider animations it was |
| [8:27] | HALEY Salomon: | okes |
| [8:28] | CG Linden: | so, it doesn't look like that one's going to be in 1.23 (next week's sim rollout) |
| [8:28] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 1. e2-e4 | |
| [8:28] | CG Linden: | but it's certainly being worked on, but as I said, Andrew's on vacation... |
| [8:28] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 1. ... e7-e5 | |
| [8:28] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 2. Ng1-f3 | |
| [8:28] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 2. ... Nb8-c6 | |
| [8:28] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 3. Bf1-c4 | |
| [8:28] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 3. ... Bf8-c5 | |
| [8:28] | CG Linden: | viewer.... |
| [8:28] | Erinyse Planer: | what would it take to make this one jump higher in the priorities? |
| [8:28] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 4. b2-b4 | |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 4. ... Bc5xb4 | |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 5. c2-c3 | |
| [8:29] | CG Linden: | there will be an RC12 this week with a very small number of fixes |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 5. ... Bb4-a5 | |
| [8:29] | Tegg Bode: | I noticed the that here and there I still find the "sim is running different server code" message , shouldn't the whole grid be the same now? |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 6. d2-d4 | |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 6. ... e5xd4 | |
| [8:29] | CG Linden: | we're looking at getting the "classic" skin out next week |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 7. Nf3xd4 | |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 7. ... Nc6xd4 | |
| [8:29] | CG Linden: | Tegg, which sim? |
| [8:29] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 8. Qd1xd4 | |
| [8:30] | CG Linden: | indeed, they should be running the same |
| [8:30] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 8. ... Ng8-f6 | |
| [8:30] | HALEY Salomon: | it is weird,,, that so many people care what color blue,, it is .. |
| [8:30] | Tegg Bode: | Andrac occassionaly, but perhaps it was during rollouts last week? |
| [8:30] | Lamorna Proctor personally likes the current RC viewer and doesn't understand the fuss | |
| [8:30] | Erinyse Planer: | haley its cause the ligheter blue is too low contrast AND a seizure trigger for some epileptics |
| [8:31] | CG Linden: | our rollouts now take about 3 days |
| [8:31] | Lamorna Proctor: | oh? |
| [8:31] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 9. Bc1-g5 | |
| [8:31] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Castling kingside is possible | |
| [8:31] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 9. ... O-O | |
| [8:31] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Castling kingside is possible | |
| [8:31] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 10. O-O | |
| [8:31] | Tegg Bode: | Yes I think Dazzle is a tad bright, but I use it anyway and funny enough , I've had bad headaches over the last 2 months too |
| [8:32] | Lea Vendetta: | The colors Dazzle uses can be a trigger for people with certain types of migraines |
| [8:32] | CG Linden: | so, let me see what's in it this week... |
| [8:32] | Lamorna Proctor stands corrected | |
| [8:33] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 10. ... Qd8-e7 | |
| [8:33] | CG Linden: | Hi Mr not Sai :) |
| [8:33] | Tegg Bode: | Yeah well turned out after a MRI, I have high blood pressure an a sunus infection causing the headaches |
| [8:33] | CG Linden: | and welcome to the FIC :) |
| [8:33] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 11. e4-e5 | |
| [8:33] | Lea Vendetta: | ugh thats sucks |
| [8:33] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 11. ... c7-c5 | |
| [8:34] | Tegg Bode: | FIC? |
| [8:34] | Gellan Glenelg: | Feted Inner Core |
| [8:34] | Lamorna Proctor: | we are all FIC people |
| [8:34] | Trinity Coulter: | fancy way of saying teacher's pets, with the teacher in this case being the Lindens |
| [8:34] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 12. Qd4-e3 | |
| [8:34] | CG Linden: | nono, but Saijanai is official now :) |
| [8:34] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 12. ... Nf6-g4 | |
| [8:34] | Tegg Bode: | Ah I'm FOC sitting out here with the FMC's inbetwen |
| [8:35] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 13. Qe3-f4 | |
| [8:35] | Erinyse Planer: | hahaha tegg |
| [8:35] | CG Linden: | VWR-7178: 'Upload a snapshot' can no longer take full screen will be fixed... |
| [8:35] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 13. ... Qe7xe5 | |
| [8:35] | Gellan Glenelg: | :) |
| [8:35] | HALEY Salomon: | ooo thanks |
| [8:35] | Erinyse Planer: | YAY so they are changing that back? |
| [8:35] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 14. Qf4xg4 | |
| [8:35] | Erinyse Planer does happy dance | |
| [8:35] | CG Linden: | and another PPC crash |
| [8:35] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 14. ... d7-d6 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: The player to move must resign or offer a draw before restarting the game | |
| [8:36] | CG Linden: | and we're disabling the watchdog |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Game over. Complete game was as follows: | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: White: A N Other - Black: A N Other | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Linden Village - Aric Linden, Longfellow, 2008-07-01 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 1. e2-e4 e7-e5 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 3. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 4. b2-b4 Bc5xb4 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 5. c2-c3 Bb4-a5 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 6. d2-d4 e5xd4 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 7. Nf3xd4 Nc6xd4 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 8. Qd1xd4 Ng8-f6 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 9. Bc1-g5 O-O | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 10. O-O Qd8-e7 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 11. e4-e5 c7-c5 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 12. Qd4-e3 Nf6-g4 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 13. Qe3-f4 Qe7xe5 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 14. Qf4xg4 d7-d6 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 15. 0-1 | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Setting up a new game | |
| [8:36] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Ready to play | |
| [8:36] | Erinyse Planer casts a hex of pleausre upon the lindens that changed the snapshot bakc to allow fullscreens again, then casts a hex of urgancy upon andrew to get him to fix 2511 when he gets back *nodnod* | |
| [8:36] | CG Linden: | We hope we can get the final rc out next week or the week after |
| [8:37] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 1, White to play | |
| [8:37] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:37] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 1. e2-e4 | |
| [8:37] | Saijanai Kuhn: | You speak japanaese, CG? |
| [8:37] | CG Linden: | we're a bit under pressure because mono will be out server side |
| [8:37] | Saijanai Kuhn: | eek |
| [8:37] | CG Linden: | and we need to merge the viewer side changes |
| [8:37] | CG Linden: | skoshi, yukuri hanashitara, wakarimasu |
| [8:38] | Erinyse Planer: | will battery street becoem active after rc12 or 13 (whichever) goes live? |
| [8:38] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Game over. Complete game was as follows: | |
| [8:38] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: White: A N Other - Black: A N Other | |
| [8:38] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: Linden Village - Aric Linden, Longfellow, 2008-07-01 | |
| [8:38] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2: 1. e2-e4 1/2-1/2 | |
| [8:38] | Saijanai Kuhn: | thot the RC would have the user interface, but that server-side would be a week r two after that |
| [8:38] | Saijanai Kuhn: | re: mono |
| [8:38] | Nite Zelmanov: | What sort of timeline on that mono pressure? |
| [8:38] | Erinyse Planer: | its other way around saijanai |
| [8:38] | Saijanai Kuhn: | s'koshi yo tambien, dude |
| [8:38] | CG Linden: | well, we thought so to, but the merge turned out to be a little bit ore complex than anticipated, and we didn't want to pollute 1.20 |
| [8:39] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Setting up a new game | |
| [8:39] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Ready to play | |
| [8:39] | Close Range: | Freddy Jetcity [22m] |
| [8:39] | CG Linden: | this being said, w may still do it that way if the mono team can produce a diff that the viewer team can understand and integrate easily :) |
| [8:39] | Erinyse Planer cant wait for mono. hopes taht it will help on script caused lag | |
| [8:40] | White Player's Seat: Freddy Jetcity is playing White | |
| [8:40] | Saijanai Kuhn: | Erinyse did you check your laggy scripts in beta? |
| [8:40] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 1. e2-e4 | |
| [8:41] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 1. ... e7-e5 | |
| [8:41] | CG Linden: | so mono is scheduled to come out in4 weeks |
| [8:41] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 2. Qd1-h5 | |
| [8:41] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move | |
| [8:41] | Lamorna Proctor: | woohoo |
| [8:41] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 2, Black to play | |
| [8:41] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:41] | CG Linden: | next week 1.23 |
| [8:41] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 2. ... a7-a6 | |
| [8:41] | CG Linden: | one week pause |
| [8:41] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 3. Ng1-f3 | |
| [8:41] | CG Linden: | then 1.24 = mono |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 3, Black to play | |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:42] | CG Linden: | Hi Kahlan :) |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 3. ... b7-b6 | |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 4. Nf3-g5 | |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 4. ... a6-a5 | |
| [8:42] | Kahlan Writer: | hi |
| [8:42] | Nite Zelmanov had better get his ass to the beta grid ;) | |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move | |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move | |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move | |
| [8:42] | CG Linden: | after that, I actually have no clue what the next big thing is going to be |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 5. Qh5xf7+ | |
| [8:42] | Tegg Bode: | / |
| [8:42] | Erinyse Planer: | not my scripts lol its scripts in general. |
| [8:42] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check | |
| [8:42] | Tegg Bode: | So less RC viewers then? |
| [8:43] | Lamorna Proctor: | i've tested many of my most complex scripts on the beta grid, and they converted with no trouble at all |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check | |
| [8:43] | CG Linden: | viewer side, work will continue... |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:43] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check | |
| [8:44] | Erinyse Planer: | any word yet on when the battery street program gets operational? |
| [8:44] | Erinyse Planer cant wait to get to break things nightly | |
| [8:44] | CG Linden: | BSI - you -may- get email this week |
| [8:45] | CG Linden: | due to the reskinning ("undazzle"), the viewer side's been a tad busy |
| [8:45] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:45] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:45] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move | |
| [8:45] | CG Linden: | but I actually think that a lot of work is going to be happening viewer side, it is definitely where the attention is focussed now |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: You must move out of check | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | Erinyse Planer nods "i bet, but i still think its the right decision | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 5, Black to play | |
| [8:46] | Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square | |
| [8:46] | CG Linden: | so when I said I don't know what's up after mono, it may well be that we'll only do bug fixes server side for a while and concentrate more effort on the viewer and related items |
| [8:47] | CG Linden: | "new User experience" is the main thing "M" is looking at ... |
| [8:47] | Sheet Spotter hopes CG gets to sneak in a summer vacation. :-) | |
| [8:48] | CG Linden: | and as we all know, the current new user experience is not exactly, well, frankly, it sucks |
| [8:48] | Erinyse Planer: | careful cg that much honesty might get you in trouble lol |
| [8:48] | Erinyse Planer: | hahaha |
| [8:48] | Erinyse Planer hugs | |
| [8:48] | Lamorna Proctor: | what kind of things are you thinking of doing to improve it? |
| [8:49] | CG Linden: | well, the new avis are one little thing we did |
| [8:49] | Tegg Bode: | Hmm we need to get them into the sex sim easier :) |
| [8:49] | CG Linden: | but mainly trying to streamline the registration process |
| [8:49] | CG Linden: | and of course the OIs... |
| [8:50] | CG Linden: | I don't think you'll find anyone who actually likes the current setup |
| [8:50] | Lamorna Proctor: | my only concern is that in making the UI easier for noobs you don't make life more difficult for experienced residents |
| [8:50] | Nite Zelmanov: | Some of the privately implemented regportal orientations have been really good |
| [8:50] | CG Linden: | yes, and there is a big effort to keep those going... |
| [8:51] | CG Linden: | but interetingly enough, retention rates from those are not significantly different than from ours |
| [8:51] | Erinyse Planer: | theres a couple of lindens frankly that all by themselves have hurt user expereince too cg |
| [8:51] | CG Linden: | the asian community gateways do slightly better than us, the european ones actually do worse |
| [8:51] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I think the issue s if people log in during peak hours, their experience is going to suck, period due to the brekage of the network |
| [8:52] | CG Linden: | These are really tough problems.... |
| [8:52] | Tegg Bode: | Yeah, I don't think new people realise how easiy it is to create things here and how many options are available, they are just shown to walk, fly, tp and wear clothes |
| [8:52] | Saijanai Kuhn: | max concurrency overwhelms the system and everything goes south |
| [8:53] | HALEY Salomon: | I do not think the problem is the hard learning curve I think it's that stuff just doesn't work and the new people think its them |
| [8:53] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I know you guys have started login freezes and that helps, but then people just can't login which is alkso a problem :-( |
| [8:53] | CG Linden: | yep, that's where the whole dataservice effort is going, to make that more scalable |
| [8:53] | HALEY Salomon: | at least the new people in my class,, |
| [8:54] | Tegg Bode: | Yes unfortunately peak times are when the maximum number of real users want to be logged in but can't. |
| [8:54] | CG Linden: | One of the reasons we want agent domains is also so we can use them ourselves to partition the user table.... |
| [8:54] | Saijanai Kuhn: | hopefuly, as the new Agent DOmain/ Region domain gets implemented, a lot of issues will naturally correct themselves |
| [8:54] | Erinyse Planer: | allot of premium acocunts get ticked off too caus ethey think they should be able to login durring restrictions. theres really not allot of incentive to get premiums atm |
| [8:55] | CG Linden: | we actually can do that, but you should have seen the backlash when we tried it :) |
| [8:55] | Saijanai Kuhn: | CG, so you can distribute which server is handling x number of agents at any moment? |
| [8:55] | HALEY Salomon: | the backlash from all the people who rent.. their sims ,, two nonpaying members ??? |
| [8:55] | CG Linden: | not at the moment, no... everything still goes to one central database |
| [8:55] | Tegg Bode: | Yeah I think perhaps they would be better logging out any accounts that have been online for 24 hours |
| [8:55] | Saijanai Kuhn: | well, I meant with Agent Domain |
| [8:56] | CG Linden: | that would be the idea, yes |
| [8:56] | Tegg Bode: | maybe 12 hours might be better |
| [8:56] | HALEY Salomon: | noooo ,, I am o for 12 hours |
| [8:56] | Lamorna Proctor: | there are a lot of bot accounts that would be affected by that |
| [8:56] | HALEY Salomon: | and I ay concierge,, for the privilege |
| [8:56] | Shawna Montgomery: | me too |
| [8:56] | CG Linden: | in some ways, there already is a natural evoplution to "agent domains", we actually already have half of an agent domain.... |
| [8:56] | Saijanai Kuhn: | yeah, I understand the fornt end ideas, but you guys do what you like on the backend, so we have to guess what it will mean |
| [8:56] | CG Linden: | it's called the inventory db server :) |
| [8:57] | Tegg Bode: | The only problem is alot of bot accounts would hammer the grid with auto relogs straight away too |
| [8:57] | Sheet Spotter: | Bot accounts would automatically log on again. :-( |
| [8:57] | Lamorna Proctor: | yes |
| [8:57] | Erinyse Planer: | there shoudl be a way to dsiable bto acocunts period |
| [8:57] | CG Linden: | and one of the things we are doing is moving agent specific data from the central db to the inventory dbs |
| [8:57] | Erinyse Planer: | *disable bot accounts |
| [8:57] | Saijanai Kuhn: | Kelly and I were talking about an official bot avatar type to make the server programming easier. Something about the itnerest list |
| [8:58] | Tegg Bode: | maybe prevent relogging for 4 hours on accounts online for 24 hours? |
| [8:58] | CG Linden: | well, let me know if you find a way to autodetect bots :) |
| [8:58] | Lamorna Proctor: | well, if there were a way in script to do things like invite people into groups, that would reduce the need for bots |
| [8:58] | Sheet Spotter: | There are a few reliable ways to detect a bot. :-) |
| [8:58] | CG Linden: | please tell :) |
| [8:58] | Saijanai Kuhn: | well, no, this would be officially logging in as a bot. No 3D info ever sent out |
| [8:59] | CG Linden: | and besides, some bots do useful stuff |
| [8:59] | Saijanai Kuhn: | so it would reduce the server load. Useful for store bots, NPCs and monsters in RPG sims |
| [8:59] | Lamorna Proctor: | yes, but the group thing would be a useful addition to script |
| [8:59] | CG Linden: | and as Saijanai points out, it would actually be helpful if we had a mode for bots... |
| [8:59] | Saijanai Kuhn: | and wouldn't count against the normal avatar count on a sim |
| [8:59] | Tegg Bode: | well whether they are a bot or not if they have been online for 24 hours, and haven't moved in last hour or so, there's good chance there's no person at the keyboard, which is a s good as a bot IMO |
| [9:00] | CG Linden: | yeah, but those people don't really create problems either |
| [9:00] | Gellan Glenelg: | not moved in the last hour? The bots I see are constantly tping in /out |
| [9:00] | CG Linden: | the ones that do create problems are those that do stuff |
| [9:00] | CG Linden: | especially the ones that try to harvest data |
| [9:01] | Saijanai Kuhn: | ironically, the first of those was Dale Glass's map bot |
| [9:01] | Erinyse Planer: | like the one that leads peopel to a page that has the fake login to sl, then takes over their acocunt and uses it to spam others? |
| [9:01] | Tegg Bode: | Well if they have ben online for daysor weeks they are probably bots too. Trouble is sorting good bots from bad, some have legitimate uses, like group invite bots |
| [9:01] | Saijanai Kuhn: | and as long as it was just one, I don't think anyone minded. |
| [9:01] | Erinyse Planer: | but you dont need a bto to do group invites |
| [9:02] | Erinyse Planer: | theres plenty of scritps that do so without bots |
| [9:02] | Lamorna Proctor: | if an object is owned by a group, it should be possible to implement a LL API call to invite to and eject from a group |
| [9:02] | Lamorna Proctor: | maybe someone has already PJIRAed that |
| [9:02] | Lamorna Proctor will check | |
| [9:02] | Erinyse Planer: | its already possible |
| [9:03] | Saijanai Kuhn: | with the new pyogp scripted bots, there will be a LOT of new uses for bots. Hopefully we'll have it sorted out by the time they become useful to people |
| [9:03] | Gellan Glenelg: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-273 (Allow Scripts To Send Group Invitations) |
| [9:03] | Lamorna Proctor: | How Erinyse? I'm not awar of a way to do it? |
| [9:03] | Lamorna Proctor: | *aware |
| [9:03] | Tegg Bode: | We really need verification, connecting all accounts to a RL person, then LL will know who is running over 5 accounts and have the otion to do domething |
| [9:04] | Trinity Coulter: | why |
| [9:04] | Lamorna Proctor: | Having multiple accounts is not in itself a bad thing |
| [9:04] | Saijanai Kuhn: | the new login model is supposed to tie everything to one account, but that doesn't keep you from having 2 or more accoutns anyway |
| [9:04] | Lamorna Proctor: | There are many legitimate uses for alts |
| [9:05] | HALEY Salomon: | but the rule is five |
| [9:05] | Saijanai Kuhn: | sure, but eventually, there should be a way to share inventory between alts on the same acount |
| [9:05] | Erinyse Planer: | i have three and two friends have ones that they sometimes log in from where i am. why would i wnat LL to dsiable me for haivng multiple accounts? |
| [9:05] | Lamorna Proctor: | As a designer and scripter, I need to test things as an alt, to check permissions, etc. |
| [9:05] | Shawna Montgomery: | why did they stop charging the fee for extra accounts? |
| [9:06] | Gellan Glenelg: | yes, I have/need alts... but can you give a legitimate reason for having 100 alts? |
| [9:06] | HALEY Salomon: | none |
| [9:06] | Erinyse Planer: | if i cant have more then five accounts ild probably stop playing ll |
| [9:06] | CG Linden: | I don't know for sure, but my guess is that policing alts and recovering the fee isjust too much trouble |
| [9:06] | Erinyse Planer: | *sl |
| [9:06] | Saijanai Kuhn: | lol talk to enus. I think he has 300+ |
| [9:06] | Lamorna Proctor: | i'd forget all their names :) |
| [9:06] | Sheet Spotter: | 100 alts means you always have someone to talk to! :-) |
| [9:06] | CG Linden: | well, QA is different |
| [9:06] | Lamorna Proctor: | let alone their passwords |
| [9:06] | Tegg Bode: | No but once you start getting over 5 or 6 it's a bit needless and trouble is at moment anyone eligable for hotmail can creat 4 or 5 accounts for each disposable email. So any kid can create accounts too |
| [9:06] | Saijanai Kuhn: | tesert1 tester2 tester3... |
| [9:07] | Erinyse Planer: | now i WOULD pay like an extra $5 or $10 a year for at least two alts and tie them to my main to get the extra support and land owning ability that coems with premium |
| [9:07] | Lamorna Proctor: | i wouldn't be seen dead with some of my alts ;) |
| [9:08] | HALEY Salomon: | not me ,,,mine are gorgeous |
| [9:08] | Tegg Bode: | Yes that is a bit silly that my legally created alts don't have access to same support as my paying main account |
| [9:08] | Saijanai Kuhn: | all my alts are ruthed usually. They log in stand around, spam groups that never get the messages I try to send... |
| [9:08] | Erinyse Planer: | i dotn thionk its smart or practical to say "you cant have more then five acocutns" |
| [9:08] | HALEY Salomon: | I agree |
| [9:09] | Tegg Bode: | There is LL just have to make sure every person playing is verified in some way. |
| [9:09] | Lamorna Proctor: | it's certainly not policed, and as CG says it's far too difficult to do it on a continuous basis |
| [9:10] | Lamorna Proctor: | IP addresses change, MAC addresses change when someone buys a new computer |
| [9:10] | Tegg Bode: | The gate is open and but horses are still running through it, we shoult close it at some point |
| [9:10] | 01 Hifeng: | if verification - not by credit card, because not everyone is willing to show his/her credit card's number to random companies -_- |
| [9:10] | CG Linden: | well, we are 10 minutes over, and i need to get to work... |
| [9:10] | Lamorna Proctor: | ok, thanks CG |
| [9:10] | HALEY Salomon: | thank you this was fun and informative |
| [9:10] | Gellan Glenelg: | thanks CG |
| [9:10] | Saijanai Kuhn: | thanks CG |
| [9:10] | Tegg Bode: | You are at work :) |
| [9:11] | Bri Gufler: | Thanks for having us CG |
| [9:11] | Sheet Spotter: | Thank you for this hour (and ten minutes) CG! :-) |
| [9:11] | Saijanai Kuhn: | BTW, if anyone is ageek under the skin, the AW Groupies meeting starts in 20 minutes. IM me for a group invite |
| [9:11] | Tegg Bode: | Yep thx :) |
| [9:11] | CG Linden: | your welcome... |
| [9:11] | Lamorna Proctor: | what's that all about, Saijanai? |
| [9:11] | CG Linden: | /m remembers to save chatlog |
| [9:11] | Earadriede Callisto: | thanks CG |