User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2008-05-29

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:02]	Benjamin Linden:	hi folks
[15:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	hey Ben!
[15:02]	Kippie Friedkin:	Hi Ben
[15:02]	Benjamin Linden:	wow malbers, you've changed
[15:03]	Malbers Linden:	just trying out an av i picked up a couple hours ago
[15:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	Steampunk for the win
[15:03]	Malbers Linden:	I'll be my jelly-licious self in no time
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	ok I guess I need to set up this project thingy
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	oh jeeze it's huge
[15:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hey Stephany :)
[15:03]	Kippie Friedkin:	Yeah...sorry :\
[15:03]	haon Arado:	lol
[15:03]	haon Arado:	hey steph and tnk
[15:04]	haon Arado:	tink*
[15:04]	Jacek Antonelli:	We can put it on the roof, lol
[15:04]	Tinker Toll:	Hey all!
[15:04]	Stephany Linden:	/ hi everyone
[15:04]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hi Tinker!
[15:04]	haon Arado:	hey benjamin; u came when i was getting a drink :)
[15:04]	Phlojo Gears:	hello
[15:04]	Kippie Friedkin:	Hi Stephany
[15:05]	Roof Doors:	Phlojo Gears is at the door.
[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	Hi Haon
[15:05]	Jacek Antonelli:	Wow, cool gear, Tinker! <3 utility belts
[15:05]	Tinker Toll:	:-) Thanks!!
[15:05]	Tinker Toll:	me too!
[15:06]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cool...It looks like I can control that screen from my HUD too
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	oh good
[15:06]	Phlojo Gears:	right on
[15:06]	Kippie Friedkin:	hehe..thought that might help :)
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	is this an ok position for everyone?
[15:07]	Phlojo Gears:	looks good to me
[15:07]	Malbers Linden:	cool
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	has anyone seen squirrel lately?
[15:07]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hmm, no :(
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	hmm
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	ok well let's get started!
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	Kippie did you want to walk through these for the residents?
[15:08]	Kippie Friedkin:	I'd be happy to!
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	Mudflap, there's room on the couch next to me
[15:08]	Kippie Friedkin:	Thanks for coming everyone. As you may have heard, we're going to review the progress on the Landmarks & Navigation project today.
[15:09]	Mudflap Mighty:	Thanks Ben
[15:09]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yay :)
[15:09]	Kippie Friedkin:	The team has been working on wireframes and designs for the proposed enhancements.
[15:10]	Kippie Friedkin:	We've been receiving some very helpful feedback from members of sl-dev....and we wanted to show some updated revisions today and get some feedback as well.
[15:10]	Kippie Friedkin:	With that, I'll turn this over to Phlojo.
[15:10]	Jacek Antonelli:	cool
[15:10]	Kippie Friedkin:	He's the design lead on our project and will walk us through the wireframes and designs
[15:10]	Kippie Friedkin:	Take it away, Phlo! :)
[15:11]	Phlojo Gears:	Hello everyone, i'm not the fastest typist in the world and not the best speller either
[15:11]	Phlojo Gears:	with that being said... here I go
[15:11]	Malbers Linden:	so, you are like the rest of us -- perfect
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	heh
[15:11]	Phlojo Gears:	first we are going to take a look at the wireframe docs for the landmark management
[15:12]	Phlojo Gears:	there are two solutions that we put together
[15:12]	Phlojo Gears:	Solution 1 is for a Unified Floaters scenario
[15:12]	Phlojo Gears:	and Solution 2 - for a Seprated floaters
[15:12]	Phlojo Gears:	so let's go through solution 1
[15:12]	Phlojo Gears:	if we can go to the next page
[15:12]	Phlojo Gears:	here we go
[15:13]	Phlojo Gears:	so here we are calling out the Landmarks main menu
[15:13]	Phlojo Gears:	which will be located in the main menu area
[15:13]	Phlojo Gears:	clicking on a landmark listed there will immediatedly atempt a telport
[15:14]	Phlojo Gears:	as far as creating a landmark, the Create Landmark menu item would be selected
[15:14]	Phlojo Gears:	labeled 2 in thsi pdf page
[15:14]	Phlojo Gears:	that wil bring up the Create Landmark floater
[15:14]	Jacek Antonelli nods
[15:15]	Phlojo Gears:	this floater not only shows up when Create Landmark is selected from the main nav
[15:15]	Phlojo Gears:	but also anytime a Landmark is recieved, from another resident let's say
[15:15]	Jacek Antonelli:	neat :)
[15:16]	Phlojo Gears:	that way this floater beccomes the 'gateway' in the create landmark user flow
[15:16]	Phlojo Gears:	as u can see on this massive projector screen...
[15:16]	Phlojo Gears:	there are a number of editable fields
[15:16]	Phlojo Gears:	such as: Name of the landmark
[15:16]	Phlojo Gears:	and the Notes
[15:17]	Phlojo Gears:	we are also including a Description area
[15:17]	Ellla McMahon:	I apologize ... sorry for bring in front of your screen :(
[15:17]	Kippie Friedkin:	No worries, Ella :)
[15:17]	Phlojo Gears:	which is not editable and it is set by the land owner
[15:17]	haon Arado:	no worries :) u weren't blocking it
[15:17]	Ellla McMahon:	:)
[15:18]	Kippie Friedkin:	This is big enough it can probably seen a few regions over ;)
[15:18]	haon Arado:	haha
[15:18]	Ellla McMahon:	LOL
[15:18]	Phlojo Gears:	this flaoter will give the user the ability to create this landmark at the root level of the landmarks folder structure
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	lol Kippie
[15:18]	Phlojo Gears:	or select a specific folder
[15:18]	Phlojo Gears:	vai the "create in" pull down
[15:19]	Phlojo Gears:	additionaly, the user will have the ability to create a new folder
[15:19]	Phlojo Gears:	and that is represented by the schematic/flow which are highlited by the fancy red arrows
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	Phlojo, remind me to ask a question about the receive landmarks work flow
[15:19]	Phlojo Gears:	will
[15:20]	Phlojo Gears:	wil do
[15:20]	Phlojo Gears:	i am not sure if u guys have seen an earlier itteration of this floater
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	nope
[15:20]	Phlojo Gears:	but we did our best to clean it up and organize it better
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	Good stuff there :)
[15:21]	Phlojo Gears:	further more, we are going to explor the posibility of combining the description and notes into a tabbed solution
[15:21]	Phlojo Gears:	to save even more realestate
[15:21]	Phlojo Gears:	any questions on this page?
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli shakes her head, no.
[15:22]	Phlojo Gears:	awsome, everyone is happy :)
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	lol sweet
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	ship it!
[15:22]	Phlojo Gears:	on to the next page then
[15:22]	Jacek Antonelli:	hahaha
[15:22]	Kippie Friedkin:	yay!
[15:22]	Kippie Friedkin:	lol
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	actually before we move on
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	should we talk about the receive landmarks sequence?
[15:22]	Phlojo Gears:	this page accounts for how the Manage landmarks floater is being acessed
[15:22]	Kippie Friedkin:	Yes, good idea
[15:22]	Phlojo Gears:	ok, yeah, let's do that
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	can you describe how you imagined that working?
[15:23]	Phlojo Gears:	yes
[15:24]	Phlojo Gears:	in a nuttshel after a resident accepts a landmark, this flaoter will pop up
[15:24]	Phlojo Gears:	if they do nothing other then click save, the recieved landmark will be by default placed n a Received Landmarks folder
[15:24]	Phlojo Gears:	but they do have the opportuniyt of placing it elsewhere via the Create in pull down
[15:25]	Phlojo Gears:	and the New folder workflow
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	what if they hit cancel?
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	is it already in their inventory at that point?
[15:25]	haon Arado:	is it possible to have a drag and drop option from the landmark pulldown
[15:26]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'd expect it to go to trash, I think? If I recall correctly, that's what happens when you decline inventory offers now
[15:26]	Phlojo Gears:	if they accepted the landmark, and they hit cancel... it should probably go to trash
[15:26]	Kippie Friedkin:	Hi Adam
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	well what Phlojo is describing is you would have already hit Accept
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	then this window appears
[15:26]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oh. Hm.
[15:26]	Kippie Friedkin:	Right..that's the only way this floater would appear.
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	so then the question is, what does OK and Cancel do
[15:26]	Phlojo Gears:	and then if u hit cancel, it could still be moved to trash
[15:27]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah. Sort of a "Hmm, I guess I don't really want this after all" sort of deal?
[15:27]	Phlojo Gears:	right
[15:27]	Kippie Friedkin:	Hmmm
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	right, which we sort of do with Notecards
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	there are a couple of settings in Preferences you guys should explore
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	under Popups
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	that determine if the accepted content displays immediately or not
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	or auto-accepts
[15:28]	Phlojo Gears:	ok
[15:28]	Jacek Antonelli:	One thing, while I'm thinking of it -- the floater is pretty big right now, and I probably wouldn't need to edit every single landmark I get...
[15:28]	Jacek Antonelli:	so what if there's a smaller version, where you can just change the name and the folder it goes in, but then you can click a "More >>" button to expand it and enter more
[15:29]	Phlojo Gears:	that is an interesting idea
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	one thing I'd thought about is if there would be a way to select the folder in the blue pop-up notice
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	so as part of saying "accept" you also set the folder
[15:29]	Kippie Friedkin:	Would that bypass the Create Landmark floater?
[15:29]	Kippie Friedkin:	and just go straight to the folder you select in the notify window?
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	then if you wanted to turn off the "auto view" option you wouldn't need to see the create landmark folder
[15:30]	Kippie Friedkin:	Got it.
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure how feasible/desirable that is
[15:30]	Phlojo Gears:	for consistency purposes, i wold incline towards guiding the users towards this floater
[15:30]	Phlojo Gears:	any time a new landmark is to be added to their landmarks/inventory
[15:31]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'm hesitant. The blue notify window is.. well, it's not for doing that, hehe. That would seem a bit out of place
[15:31]	haon Arado:	the create landmark floater would work fine for excepting a new landmark it is being creating into your inventory or menu and it gives you customization no need to make it more complicated
[15:31]	Stephany Linden:	/ good point haon
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	ok sounds good
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm convinced!
[15:32]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:32]	Phlojo Gears:	:)
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	the only thing that's a little strange...
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	is that someone "gives" you a landmark
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	but then you get a "create landmark" window
[15:32]	Phlojo Gears:	we bounced arond the idea of naming this window Add landmark
[15:32]	Jacek Antonelli:	Ah, yeah
[15:32]	Phlojo Gears:	so maybe that is a better name
[15:33]	Phlojo Gears:	that answer both situations
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	ok
[15:33]	haon Arado:	its been given to u but since its copied it is still going to be created into your folder
[15:33]	Jacek Antonelli:	Good solution
[15:33]	haon Arado:	i also like the add landmark more
[15:33]	Phlojo Gears:	is Ben convinced ? :) on "add landmark"
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	Or even "Edit Landmark". Hrmm... does this floater come up when you edit the landmark later?
[15:34]	Phlojo Gears:	a similar one does
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	yes Add Landmark is fine
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	ok
[15:34]	Phlojo Gears:	a few pages down
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	Got it :)
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	ok thanks for walking us through that
[15:34]	Phlojo Gears:	np
[15:35]	Phlojo Gears:	shall i continue?
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	yes, please :)
[15:35]	Phlojo Gears:	right under the Create Landmark (now Add Landmark) menu item
[15:35]	Phlojo Gears:	the user will be very pleased to see a menu entry for Manage Landmarks
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:36]	Phlojo Gears:	or so we hope :)
[15:36]	Phlojo Gears:	which takes us to the next page of the pdf
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	Manage landmarks sounds good to me... goodness knows my landmarks could use some management!
[15:36]	Phlojo Gears:	alright
[15:37]	Phlojo Gears:	as u can probably notice, the area to the right
[15:37]	Phlojo Gears:	is very similar to the Add Landmakr floater
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	Aha
[15:37]	Phlojo Gears:	the only exception being the Crate in pull down
[15:37]	Phlojo Gears:	to the left
[15:37]	Phlojo Gears:	the folder list
[15:37]	Phlojo Gears:	with landamarks is also visible
[15:38]	Phlojo Gears:	so by double clicking on a landmark, a telport happens
[15:38]	Phlojo Gears:	single clicking would load the details of that landmakr into the grayed out area
[15:38]	Phlojo Gears:	now here is something that I would love some feedback on...
[15:39]	Phlojo Gears:	internally, we are a little thorn between:
[15:39]	Phlojo Gears:	1. showing the right area as a grayed out area, before a landmark is selected - this would happen when the floater is first opened up
[15:39]	Phlojo Gears:	and
[15:39]	Phlojo Gears:	2. potentially showing the first landmark in the list as preloaded
[15:39]	Phlojo Gears:	or the last landmark visited
[15:40]	haon Arado:	it would make the teleport to last location button less used
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli:	I think I'd expect it to be grayed out / nothing selected the first time I open it each SL session, but have it remember the last landmark I had selected, when opening it later that session
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	which button, Haon?
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	I agree Jacek
[15:41]	Phlojo Gears:	Jacek, i like that idea
[15:41]	haon Arado:	acquired last teleport
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	where is that button Haon?
[15:41]	Phlojo Gears:	that way only once, ever, is this form ever grayed
[15:42]	haon Arado:	bottom left
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	well probably only once per session
[15:42]	Phlojo Gears:	yeah, that is probably more accurate
[15:42]	Kippie Friedkin:	I like that a lot
[15:42]	haon Arado:	if the landmark editor opened your last location that button would not have a use
[15:42]	Phlojo Gears:	how about displaying the last landmark recieved as preselected?
[15:43]	haon Arado:	make it an opition?
[15:43]	Phlojo Gears:	yeah
[15:43]	Phlojo Gears:	could work
[15:43]	haon Arado:	i like that idea
[15:44]	Phlojo Gears:	lets move on to the next pdf page
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	mmm
[15:44]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hrmm. Selecting it would be handy if I'm going to be editing it right away. But if I've just edited / filed it, does it need to be selected? *thinks*
[15:44]	Phlojo Gears:	shows the same floater
[15:44]	Phlojo Gears:	not grayed out
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not a big fan of the auto select idea
[15:44]	haon Arado:	landmark editor leave blank or acquire previous landmark on initalzation
[15:45]	Kippie Friedkin:	It seems like it will never be what anyway
[15:45]	Kippie Friedkin:	what you want, rather
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	right
[15:45]	Phlojo Gears:	Ben, I am not a huge fan either, but i keep being overuled... everyone else does
[15:45]	Phlojo Gears:	i dont typcally like it when a computer is trying to be smarter then me, and "anticipate" my next move
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	right
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli:	Inventory selects the last item you received... but inventory is kinda different, because when you receive an item / clothes, often you want to rez it or try it on right away, and you can only do that by finding it in inventory (which can be tedious)
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	let's get to the second option
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	the split windows
[15:46]	Phlojo Gears:	ok
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	so we can get some feedback on that
[15:46]	Phlojo Gears:	second pdf doc Kippie
[15:46]	Phlojo Gears:	page 5
[15:46]	Phlojo Gears:	the first pages are identical to the other pdf
[15:47]	Kippie Friedkin:	on my way there
[15:47]	Phlojo Gears:	but this is where the solution differs
[15:47]	Phlojo Gears:	so in this instance
[15:47]	Phlojo Gears:	the folder floater
[15:47]	Phlojo Gears:	is separated from the edit landmark area
[15:47]	Phlojo Gears:	and in this scenario
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	aha
[15:48]	Phlojo Gears:	multiple landmarks can be opened at the same time
[15:48]	haon Arado:	that seems to make more sense
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	yes, this way seems better
[15:48]	Phlojo Gears:	mutiple edit landmark floaters tat is
[15:48]	Phlojo Gears:	one thing to keep in mind tho
[15:48]	Phlojo Gears:	is that a single click
[15:48]	Phlojo Gears:	to load the landmark details
[15:48]	Phlojo Gears:	will not work anymore
[15:49]	Phlojo Gears:	as that would result in many, many edit landmark windows being opened by mistake
[15:49]	Phlojo Gears:	so we included a little edit icon next to each landmark
[15:49]	Phlojo Gears:	and we are also exploring the idea of having and edit button
[15:49]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hmm. I was thinking that double clicking would edit the landmark, not teleport
[15:49]	haon Arado:	double click is already used to teleport
[15:49]	Phlojo Gears:	in between new folder and delete
[15:50]	haon Arado:	or u could have right click
[15:50]	Phlojo Gears:	as opposed to an edit icon next to each landmark
[15:50]	haon Arado:	lil drop down menu
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, I guess Right Click > Edit would be good
[15:50]	Phlojo Gears:	right click will exist
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	and consistent with the inventory
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'm not a fan of the edit button :\
[15:50]	Phlojo Gears:	but it needs to be a little more discoverable, so we're looking for a more obvious way
[15:50]	Phlojo Gears:	for the novice users etc
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	hrmm
[15:51]	Phlojo Gears:	do u favor a little edit icon next to each landmark vs an edit button at the bottom?
[15:51]	haon Arado:	no
[15:51]	Jacek Antonelli:	I was just going to say, an edit button down next to the Delete one, hehe
[15:51]	haon Arado:	to easy to click by mistake
[15:52]	haon Arado:	both of them
[15:52]	Jacek Antonelli:	Having a button next to every landmark would be quite busy o_O
[15:52]	Phlojo Gears:	yes
[15:52]	Phlojo Gears:	that is true
[15:52]	Malbers Linden:	one button on the bottom is very standard rich UI design whereas an icon next to each entry is very Web-ish
[15:52]	Phlojo Gears:	but it wold allow one click access to the landmark details
[15:52]	Phlojo Gears:	one shared edit button at the bottom
[15:52]	Phlojo Gears:	rsults in a cleaner ui
[15:53]	Phlojo Gears:	but requires 2 clicks for each landmark to be opened
[15:53]	Phlojo Gears:	so there are pros and cons
[15:53]	Jacek Antonelli:	I don't think 2 clicks is a problem
[15:53]	Phlojo Gears:	for both
[15:53]	Malbers Linden:	as always
[15:53]	Malbers Linden:	tradeoffs
[15:53]	Phlojo Gears:	:) fair enough
[15:54]	Jacek Antonelli:	I mean... I have trouble imagining a situation where I would need really fast access to tons of landmark details
[15:54]	Kippie Friedkin:	Good point.
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	that's good feedback Jacek
[15:54]	Phlojo Gears:	yeah
[15:54]	Malbers Linden:	yeah -- the more common use case is to TP not to edit details
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	is there some high-level detail that would give you more context?
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	like the region/parcel name?
[15:54]	Phlojo Gears:	so, with that being said - edit button probably is it
[15:55]	Phlojo Gears:	Show on Map icon does that
[15:55]	haon Arado:	having it as a right click i think is very novice friendly and it would eliminate either edit buttons
[15:55]	Benjamin Linden:	right-click menus are hard for some users, Haon
[15:55]	Phlojo Gears:	i think... re Show on Map
[15:55]	Jacek Antonelli:	I think the edit button is good to have... if only to appease the Mac users ;) *grin*
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	less discoverable
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	right and bad for mac users
[15:56]	Kippie Friedkin:	lol...hey now
[15:56]	Tinker Toll:	guys, this page has not yet rezzed for me, can erybody else see it ok?
[15:56]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:56]	haon Arado:	:D good point jacek
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, I can see it Tinker
[15:56]	Phlojo Gears:	same here
[15:56]	Adam Marker feels .... slightly appeased
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	maybe try zooming in on it?
[15:56]	Phlojo Gears:	maybe u need a mac :P
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	An "Edit" button isn't that expensive, anyway. In terms of real estate
[15:57]	Phlojo Gears:	that is true
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	Okay, shall we move along? Almost out of time :O
[15:57]	Phlojo Gears:	yes
[15:57]	haon Arado:	yup
[15:57]	Phlojo Gears:	next pdf page please
[15:57]	Phlojo Gears:	just for one sec
[15:58]	Phlojo Gears:	u will see, on the next page, the right click menu
[15:58]	Phlojo Gears:	and also, the above mentioned "Show on Map" and "Copy SLURL" icons
[15:59]	haon Arado:	i like the idea of having the edit but plus the right click
[15:59]	haon Arado:	button*
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	(A small comment... the one-letter buttons, like E, m, s... I was confused what they meant, so I'm hoping they're just stand-ins for the full text description)
[15:59]	Phlojo Gears:	yeah, they are
[15:59]	Kippie Friedkin:	Yes, they will most likely be icons.
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	they will be icons
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	cool
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	sounds good
[16:00]	Phlojo Gears:	and they will be repositioned to fit next to the area info
[16:00]	Phlojo Gears:	and traffic
[16:00]	Phlojo Gears:	not next to the editable name text field
[16:00]	Jacek Antonelli:	great
[16:00]	Jacek Antonelli:	The right-click menu looks good, as well
[16:01]	Jacek Antonelli:	Copy SLURL +1 :D
[16:01]	Kippie Friedkin:	;-)
[16:01]	Phlojo Gears:	shall we stop here, continue the wireframe discussions, or move on to the nav bar designs?
[16:01]	Phlojo Gears:	i am fine either way
[16:01]	haon Arado:	me too
[16:01]	Benjamin Linden:	I actually need to run but please continue. If someone would send me the transcript I'd appreciate it.
[16:01]	Kippie Friedkin:	Sure thing.
[16:01]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks Kippie!
[16:01]	Kippie Friedkin:	I'm fine to continue as well.
[16:02]	Kippie Friedkin:	a pleasure, Ben :)
[16:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	yes, let's continue :D
[16:02]	Phlojo Gears:	ok
[16:02]	Phlojo Gears:	before we do so
[16:02]	Malbers Linden:	i gotta run too. talk next week.
[16:02]	Phlojo Gears:	can I get a vote from everyone as to which solution is preffered?
[16:02]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cya Malbers!
[16:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	Take care, Ben and Malbers!
[16:02]	Phlojo Gears:	Unified, or Separated ?
[16:02]	haon Arado:	seperated floaters
[16:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	I like the separated floaters
[16:02]	Tinker Toll:	separated
[16:02]	Phlojo Gears:	take care Ben
[16:03]	Phlojo Gears:	and Malbers
[16:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	Uses less space in the common case
[16:03]	Jacek Antonelli:	and allows multiple editing, as well :D
[16:03]	Phlojo Gears:	anyone for unfied?
[16:03]	haon Arado:	way more practical
[16:03]	Phlojo Gears:	not trying to push unified, just curious
[16:03]	haon Arado:	doesn't look like it :)
[16:04]	Phlojo Gears:	:) that is true
[16:04]	Phlojo Gears:	let's have a look at the nav bar designs
[16:04]	Kippie Friedkin:	cool
[16:04]	Phlojo Gears:	can we load those Kippie?
[16:04]	Kippie Friedkin:	You got it, Phlo
[16:04]	Phlojo Gears:	danke
[16:04]	haon Arado:	ooo kool
[16:05]	Phlojo Gears:	we have two general directions
[16:05]	Phlojo Gears:	and a few variations for each
[16:05]	Phlojo Gears:	one is centered nav
[16:05]	Phlojo Gears:	the other accounts for a left justified nav
[16:05]	Phlojo Gears:	by default, in both situations the nav bar is colapsable
[16:05]	haon Arado:	can we see the one that would be on the left
[16:05]	Phlojo Gears:	so on the screen u see the centered colapsed
[16:06]	Phlojo Gears:	next slide please
[16:06]	Phlojo Gears:	haon, we'll get there in 2 slides or so
[16:06]	haon Arado:	kool :)
[16:06]	Phlojo Gears:	so now here is the centered in a boxier treatment
[16:06]	Phlojo Gears:	and next page please
[16:06]	Phlojo Gears:	the same desgn style with rounded corners
[16:07]	Phlojo Gears:	we already know that we are going to simplify the history pulldown
[16:07]	Phlojo Gears:	so that it isn't so visually heavy
[16:07]	Phlojo Gears:	and more along the lines of a standard pull down
[16:07]	Phlojo Gears:	ex: Gesture pull-up menu
[16:07]	Jacek Antonelli:	cool
[16:07]	Phlojo Gears:	next slide
[16:08]	Kippie Friedkin:	yes, sir!
[16:08]	Phlojo Gears:	:)
[16:08]	Phlojo Gears:	here we have the left justified
[16:08]	Phlojo Gears:	in the inactive mode
[16:08]	Phlojo Gears:	and (next slide)
[16:08]	Phlojo Gears:	the active/visible mode
[16:09]	Phlojo Gears:	as u noticed, the functionality on these is similar
[16:09]	Phlojo Gears:	and we have a back button
[16:09]	Phlojo Gears:	forward button
[16:09]	Phlojo Gears:	a unified history pulldown
[16:09]	Phlojo Gears:	which shows the current location as highlited
[16:09]	Phlojo Gears:	and the back and/or forward locations above and bellow
[16:09]	haon Arado:	awsome
[16:10]	haon Arado:	i like the centred idea just for the sake of symetry
[16:10]	Phlojo Gears:	this simplifies the ui, so that we dont need to have 1 pull down for each button
[16:10]	Phlojo Gears:	next
[16:10]	Phlojo Gears:	we have a few design variations
[16:10]	Phlojo Gears:	on the left and centered
[16:11]	Phlojo Gears:	these next designs, are even closer to the Dazzle look and feel
[16:11]	Phlojo Gears:	next slide
[16:11]	Phlojo Gears:	(this is the left with rounded corners)
[16:11]	Phlojo Gears:	next slide please
[16:12]	Kippie Friedkin:	apologies...a little laggy over here at the moment
[16:12]	Phlojo Gears:	np :)
[16:12]	Phlojo Gears:	same functionality, different design treatment
[16:12]	Phlojo Gears:	and 2 slides dow, we have this same design in a left justified format
[16:12]	Phlojo Gears:	down*
[16:13]	Phlojo Gears:	so, first i am curious as to which is prefered, centered or left ?
[16:13]	Kippie Friedkin:	one sec, sorry...something's acting a little funky
[16:14]	Phlojo Gears:	left vs center?
[16:14]	Phlojo Gears:	anyone?
[16:14]	haon Arado:	center
[16:14]	Tinker Toll:	center
[16:14]	haon Arado:	again for symetry
[16:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	Centered is good -- it creates a spatial relationship with the location on the top menu bar
[16:14]	Phlojo Gears:	ok
[16:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	I really like that theme, too. :D
[16:15]	Phlojo Gears:	which one?
[16:15]	Jacek Antonelli:	The darker blue with silver buttons
[16:15]	Phlojo Gears:	the first progressive one
[16:15]	Phlojo Gears:	or the Dazzeled one?
[16:15]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah. It doesn't fit with Dazzle at all, but... well, I'd rather Dazzle change to fit this one, lol
[16:15]	Phlojo Gears:	as in, round buttons or little square-ish buttons?
[16:15]	Jacek Antonelli:	Rounded ones
[16:15]	Phlojo Gears:	ok
[16:15]	Phlojo Gears:	it draws insiparation from Dazzle
[16:15]	Phlojo Gears:	somewhat
[16:16]	Phlojo Gears:	as far as clor palete
[16:16]	Jacek Antonelli:	And the bigger buttons are nice, too
[16:16]	Phlojo Gears:	and we are going to do another variation on it, to make the buttons be a little more Dazzle like
[16:16]	Phlojo Gears:	replicate the same gloss/reflection treatment
[16:16]	Jacek Antonelli:	Alright, if you must... ^_^; *not such a fan of the Dazzle treatment*
[16:17]	Phlojo Gears:	not that I want to speak for Ben, but he also liked the round buttons treatment
[16:17]	Phlojo Gears:	but in a left justified position
[16:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	The left-justified one is acceptable, but I'd prefer the centered one, slightly
[16:18]	Phlojo Gears:	alright... any other comments, ideas...
[16:18]	haon Arado:	me too with rounded buttons
[16:18]	Phlojo Gears:	words of wisdom :) insirational quotes ? :)
[16:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[16:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	Keep your ears dry and your nose clean?
[16:18]	Phlojo Gears:	:)
[16:19]	Phlojo Gears:	looks like this is it for today
[16:19]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cool.
[16:19]	Phlojo Gears:	please feel free to share any other ideas or opinions u have via sl-dev
[16:19]	Kippie Friedkin:	Thank you everyone for your feedback and thoughts!
[16:19]	Jacek Antonelli:	Great stuff :D
[16:19]	haon Arado:	i have one
[16:19]	Phlojo Gears:	we're all on that list (so far just reading)
[16:19]	Kippie Friedkin:	As always, feel free to drop me an IM if you have questions or ideas.
[16:20]	Kippie Friedkin:	We'll be posting these designs to the JIRA project and again on sl-dev.
[16:20]	Stephany Linden:	NAV-28
[16:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	Great, Kippie
[16:20]	haon Arado:	i would like to see the height editors spectrum inceased
[16:21]	Phlojo Gears:	is this in regards to the nav?
[16:21]	Phlojo Gears:	i gues i'm not following
[16:21]	haon Arado:	no srry
[16:21]	Phlojo Gears:	or mabe we are done with the nav and landmarks
[16:21]	Phlojo Gears:	alright... gotcha
[16:21]	Phlojo Gears:	well' i got to jet too, but we'llm be in touch
[16:21]	Phlojo Gears:	via sl-dev, jira and all the other means
[16:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	It's looking good, and it's great to see the progress and revisions :D
[16:21]	Phlojo Gears:	have a nice day guys and gals
[16:21]	Kippie Friedkin:	Thanks for a great run-through Phlo!
[16:22]	Kippie Friedkin:	Talk to ya tomorrow!
[16:22]	Phlojo Gears:	peace out!
[16:22]	Jacek Antonelli:	Thanks, Phlo, Kippie, and all!
[16:22]	haon Arado:	is there a group i can join which has linden meeting notifications and what they are about
[16:22]	Kippie Friedkin:	I don't know of a group..but there is a google public calendar which is pretty useful
[16:23]	haon Arado:	i will check that out ty
[16:23]	Jacek Antonelli:	/noanim crossleg
[16:23]	Kippie Friedkin:	lemme see if I can get you a link
[16:23]	haon Arado:	that would be a great help
[16:24]	Tinker Toll:	Tillie Ariantho has made a calendar on Google
[16:24]	Tinker Toll:	http://www.google.com/calendar/render?gsessionid=dteu4d5DSxIRuVr-rAc_6w
[16:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	Alright, I'm gonna head out. Take care, all!
[16:25]	haon Arado:	l8ter jacek
[16:25]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cya jacek!
[16:25]	Tinker Toll:	Bye all!
[16:25]	Kippie Friedkin:	Thanks for all your input!
[16:25]	Kippie Friedkin:	If you go here: http://www.google.com/calendar/render?mode=gallery&cat=POPULAR
[16:26]	haon Arado:	yah l8ter everyone
[16:26]	Kippie Friedkin:	and do a search for Linden Lab Public Events there's a great office hours public cal
[16:26]	Stephany Linden:	/ I have the transcript ben - heading to the wiki now - bye!
[16:26]	Kippie Friedkin:	alrighty, cya haon..have a good one :)
[16:26]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cya Stephany
[16:26]	Stephany Linden:	bye kippie!
[16:27]	Kippie Friedkin:	Guess that's about it for me too.
[16:27]	Kippie Friedkin:	Lemme get rid of my giant projector screen :)
[16:27]	Kippie Friedkin:	Heh..can't do it. I'll have to leave that for you, Ben :)
[16:27]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cheers for now!