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Latest revision as of 11:36, 27 July 2011
Attendees List
- Chantall Congrejo (chantall.congrejo)
- Couldbe (couldbe)
- Dancer Greenfield (dancer.greenfield)
- Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
- Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)(User's Wiki Page)
- Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
- Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
- Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
- Kim Rongyu (kim.rongyu)
- Lara Boyle (lara.boyle)
- Nal (nal)
- Qie (qie)
- Ramona Criss (ramona.criss)
- Rogue Vondran (rogue.vondran)
- Silvanus (silvanus)
- SilvanusSilvanus translates (silvanussilvanus.translates)
- Silversurfer (silversurfer)
- Slarus Rajal-Palen (slarus.rajal-palen)
- Slaton Linden (slaton.linden)
- Vick Forcella (vick.forcella)(User's Wiki Page)
Transcript for Monday July 25, 2011
[11:05] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slarus...you are the only one admitted toi being new here so ytou must do the chat log...hahah (joke) |
[11:05] | Innula Zenovka | its a joke |
[11:05] | Silvanus | Silvanus translates: good morning noob ; )
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[11:05] | Slaton Linden | hello everyone. sorry I'm late. |
[11:05] | Innula Zenovka | that's what people say when folks complain their avatars have gone strange colours |
[11:05] | Slarus Rajal-Palen | *The number you have reached...Slarus, is a bot please make note of it *giggles* |
[11:05] | Silvanus | Hi Slaton, its monday ; ) |
[11:05] | Ginette Pinazzo | hello Slaton |
[11:05] | Innula Zenovka | Hi, Slaton |
[11:05] | Ginette Pinazzo | better late than never |
[11:05] | Lara Boyle | Hi there Slaton... good to meet you! |
[11:06] | Rogue Vondran | Hi Slaton |
[11:06] | Silversurfer | it is more me still in shock after the terror attack in my country on Friday |
[11:06] | Hypatia Meili | Hi Slaton |
[11:06] | Ginette Pinazzo | we have one or 2 new faces this tierm Slaton |
[11:06] | Silvanus | thats horrible Counter, I am sorry for your contry |
[11:06] | Silversurfer | it has been ... testing for the nation that's for sure. |
[11:07] | Rogue Vondran | Im so sorry to hear Counter, thoughts and prayers to you and your country |
[11:07] | Kim Rongyu | must have been, appaling thing to happen |
[11:07] | Slaton Linden | hello. any specific agenda items for today? Unfortunately I'm still awaiting an answer regarding vortex and zindra in general |
[11:07] | Nal | I empathize with you Silver. For a small country that is horrible. |
[11:07] | Hypatia Meili | yeah :) |
[11:07] | Ginette Pinazzo | we have an agedna Slaton....arent we still using it? |
[11:07] | Silversurfer | horrible for any country |
[11:07] | Ramona Criss | Hello ALL nice to see you here :) |
[11:07] | Ginette Pinazzo | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_User_Group |
[11:08] | Innula Zenovka | I sent Viale a question about getting the status of the Adult Content FAQ onto the agenda, Slaton.. i don't know if you've seen it? |
[11:08] | Slaton Linden | yes, Ginette we're still using it. I just didn't get any email to add to it |
[11:08] | Innula Zenovka | oh. well, i emailed viale.. clearly he didn't forward it to you |
[11:09] | Ginette Pinazzo | arent peoepl also supposed to add agenda items to the list on their own? or is that 'in addition' |
[11:09] | Slaton Linden | Innula, yes, but didn't have time to review. |
[11:09] | Innula Zenovka | so he did forward it? |
[11:09] | Silversurfer | I think we are kindoff awaiting word on the many proposals we have submitted Slaton |
[11:09] | Ginette Pinazzo | first itsm on agenda is welcoming committee...haha |
[11:10] | Slaton Linden | Innula, yes, and we're addressing it |
[11:10] | Slaton Linden | OK, unless anyone else wants to start, Ginette would you like to kick things off? |
[11:10] | Ginette Pinazzo | sure....my item is simply abt the meeti8ngs themselves....... |
[11:11] | Slaton Linden | OK |
[11:11] | Ginette Pinazzo | longh ahead, we had NO meeting process....things were circualr horur long conversations....... |
[11:11] | Evelynn Kidd | hop up on the counter, Slaton, so we can see you |
[11:11] | Ginette Pinazzo | then we agreed upon and adopted an agenda system , chairperson, etc..... |
[11:11] | Ginette Pinazzo | we had a real system...things got done.... |
[11:11] | Ginette Pinazzo | it was professional... |
[11:11] | Lara Boyle | you want to sit here Slaton? |
[11:11] | Lara Boyle | opps... sorry! |
[11:12] | Ginette Pinazzo | I want toi suggest, Slatoin, we move abck to that professional, organized system.......so we can get thiungs doen PLUS attarct more peopel to a stable situation |
[11:12] | Silvanus | agree |
[11:12] | Ginette Pinazzo | hour loong circuylar convos are not exactly what soem peoepl want to set aside tiem for duringa busy week |
[11:12] | Slaton Linden | yes, a specific agreed upon format would be helpful |
[11:13] | Ginette Pinazzo | I posted links on the agenda to soem material regarding the meeting format originally, plus sugegstions for improving as time goes on |
[11:13] | Innula Zenovka | i think we've been getting far more done in recent weeks, with Viale and Slaton than we've done for ages, myself |
[11:13] | Ginette Pinazzo | not sure where you get that impression Innula |
[11:13] | Silversurfer | agreed Innula |
[11:13] | Silversurfer | please proceed as headed Slaton |
[11:13] | Ginette Pinazzo | private emails are fine....but nothing helpls more than tarnsparency...and published material |
[11:13] | Silvanus | transparency ^^ |
[11:13] | Ginette Pinazzo | we cannot have any sense of progress unless its public as well....and gheld professionally |
[11:14] | Slarus Rajal-Palen | Slarus Rajal-Palen nods
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[11:14] | Slaton Linden | Ginette, do you want to discuss proposed meeting format? |
[11:14] | Silversurfer | what do you find unprofessional Ginette? |
[11:14] | Ginette Pinazzo | and bottom line: we need to attract new talent ....anyone who sees noi agenda will flee |
[11:14] | Ginette Pinazzo | no agenda = unprofessional |
[11:14] | Ginette Pinazzo | all material for discussion at these meetings shoudl also be available ina published public format |
[11:15] | Huntress Catteneo | I know I would like opportunity to see things submitted that we are meant to discuss beforehand |
[11:15] | Silvanus | or lets speak positive, let us do it more professional ; ) |
[11:15] | Ginette Pinazzo | in advance so peoepl can study and plan |
[11:15] | Silversurfer | yes, but there are meetings going on parallell |
[11:15] | Silversurfer | and you are part of a parallell hidden process |
[11:15] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton, the proposla is exactly the original proposal.......a Chair.....an Agenda whith apublished proposals....just like we were doing |
[11:15] | Silversurfer | so where is your professionalis? |
[11:16] | Silvanus | that has reasons and is necessary to be able tho huge amount of ideas and input, counter |
[11:16] | Ginette Pinazzo | priavet meetings and emails are fine IF also complimented by public and tarsnparent materail..it is the content and process of THESE meetings Im talking abt |
[11:16] | Silversurfer | right |
[11:16] | Silversurfer | particulalry when Ginette comes out of those meetings telling things are a done deal? |
[11:16] | Silvanus | you can use Open Space as a techniqaue Counter, but at the end you need a hirachrie again |
[11:17] | Silvanus | even when you brainstorm, counter |
[11:17] | Ginette Pinazzo | does the majority of peoepl here vagree we shoudl work our way back to the previous agenda-0driven format? |
[11:17] | Slaton Linden | OK, Ginette, then what are you propsing? Yes, some issues/ topics must be handled outside of these meetings |
[11:17] | Silversurfer | I say let LL set the agenda |
[11:17] | Kim Rongyu | I cfertainly do Gina |
[11:17] | Lara Boyle | <--new here... so I'm listening *grins* |
[11:17] | Silversurfer | this meeting is getting bigger than Zindra and we dont wnat to be bogged down again please |
[11:17] | Huntress Catteneo | counter you never sumit stuff for others here to see that I am aware, makes it hard to discuss in a useful way |
[11:18] | Silvanus | Counter you just gave the answer why external meetings are necessary too |
[11:18] | Silversurfer | join ZA and you will see it in this new process |
[11:18] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton......I anm advising for tTHESE meeti8ngs....isf peoepl want to discc anything at TOP of meeting, its must go on the publsihed agenda (wiki) |
[11:18] | Couldbe | so it can be deleted? sounds sensible |
[11:18] | Slaton Linden | In generaly, we're not going to set agenda. We're looking for ways to give you as a community the tools to manage |
[11:18] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton. I urge you read the URL I sent to explain the original process...which worked for many months' |
[11:18] | Huntress Catteneo | If stuff put on web saves time going over in the meetings |
[11:19] | Innula Zenovka | Slaton.. are we supposed to add stuff to the wiki page to get it discussed? Because I know, as Couldbe says, that stuff has been deleted |
[11:19] | Silvanus | yes Linden always showed that htey prefer the fredom of their residents... |
[11:19] | Couldbe | it didn't work well, paticularly when the same agenda items kept taking top spot and not leaving time for others to discuss things |
[11:19] | Ginette Pinazzo | if you want residents setting agenda...then the systenm we WEE using was perfect |
[11:19] | Silversurfer | if LL defines another process for submitting material than sending email, I am happy with that |
[11:19] | Silvanus | to regulate as less as necessary |
[11:19] | Innula Zenovka | which is why i sent Viale an email asking what the right way to put someone on the agenda was |
[11:19] | Silversurfer | this is what we were told to do now |
[11:19] | Slaton Linden | OK, Ginette. I'll read it. I agree that it's best to stick to a defined agenda and keep side conversations to a minimum otherwise nothing gets accomplished |
[11:20] | Ginette Pinazzo | the orioginal pprocess was perfect...just because some peoepl refusd ot ever add anything to the agebnda wiki is not our problem |
[11:20] | Couldbe | it wasn't perfect ginette |
[11:20] | Silversurfer | far from perfect |
[11:20] | Ginette Pinazzo | good, Slaton..you want to debrief with me after you readit Slaton, if there are questions? |
[11:20] | Silversurfer | it was more or less spamming from one person |
[11:20] | Ginette Pinazzo | it was closer to perfect than not |
[11:20] | Silvanus | nothing is, Couldbe... so we are working constructive on it, Couldthisbe? |
[11:20] | Couldbe | the agenda items were not prioritised and irrelevancies ended up taking up most of the meeting for no other reason than the person managed to post first on the list |
[11:20] | Ginette Pinazzo | counter...you cabn join the procews sor not...thats alkways uyp top you |
[11:20] | Slaton Linden | For agenda, email or directly adding to wiki is fine |
[11:20] | Hypatia Meili | and LL can always decline an agenda item or postpone |
[11:21] | Hypatia Meili | but we can add topics freely |
[11:21] | Hypatia Meili | seems to work |
[11:21] | Ginette Pinazzo | all I am saying is: meetings without such standard format are not profesional...most place sin the world |
[11:21] | Huntress Catteneo | I would just like to see stuff that is being submitted before meeting |
[11:21] | Slaton Linden | Couldbe, agree that agenda items need to be prioritized |
[11:21] | Silvanus | sure Hypatia, SL has a god and this god is calles Linden Labs ; ) |
[11:21] | Qie | Here's the underlying problem: Everyone here trusts a Linden to run this meeting, but Lindens don't want to run this meeting anymore. |
[11:21] | Ginette Pinazzo | I agree Hunt....thats standard most places |
[11:21] | Silversurfer | why don't we submit to the agenda, but let LL prioritize items for the final one. Then we might be able to cut through it |
[11:21] | Hypatia Meili | wel we could ad a deadline to submit |
[11:22] | Ginette Pinazzo | Qie...thats why a Chair is almways an integral part |
[11:22] | Qie | gee, now who might that be? |
[11:22] | Ginette Pinazzo | I dotnm know Qie....but your sarcasm is showing! |
[11:22] | Silversurfer | Cold it be Slaton? |
[11:22] | Slaton Linden | You all should probably vote on a Chairperson |
[11:22] | Slaton Linden | non-Linden |
[11:22] | Couldbe | It has to be a LL employee |
[11:23] | Silversurfer | I submit Slaton |
[11:23] | Silvanus | lol - |
[11:23] | Qie | I second the nomination. |
[11:23] | Couldbe | otherwise just cancel these meetings and put us out of our misery |
[11:23] | Slaton Linden | Why does it have to be a Linden? |
[11:23] | Silvanus | Silvanus feels remembered a year ago
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[11:23] | Couldbe | because it's your fucking meeting!! |
[11:23] | Silversurfer | because it is your meeting at the end of the day |
[11:23] | Silvanus | no slaton this discussion we had a year ago too, dont let them confuse you |
[11:23] | Silversurfer | and no favortism |
[11:23] | Ginette Pinazzo | I dotn want to hear obsecenities...this isnt high school |
[11:23] | Slaton Linden | Couldbe, that language will not be tolerated. Very unprofessional. |
[11:24] | Couldbe | so is this |
[11:24] | Nal | Is this an Office Hour meeting with an owner? Or a residents' group? It appears to be a Linde Office Hour from the listing in the wiki... |
[11:24] | Huntress Catteneo | *sigh* can we all drop the personal rubbish, we are all meant to be adult here acording to the rating, do we need to age verify some of you? |
[11:24] | Silversurfer | it is a Linden meeting instituted by Linden Lab |
[11:24] | Hypatia Meili | that renaming hs confused the matter |
[11:24] | Silversurfer | soe they should chair it |
[11:24] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton, my proposal today was only to 'slowly move thinsg back' tpowards a more professional setup as we had before..its doesnt have to move the earth today...we can do s,mall steps |
[11:24] | Innula Zenovka | Slaton, because there's only a couple of people other than Lindens who would be seen as anything like impartial.. and neither of them (being in their right minds) would want to do it |
[11:25] | Hypatia Meili | it seems tobe bothe , user group and office hours |
[11:25] | Silvanus | but when I observe LL right, LL just want to be informed, and is willingt to help out... the rest is up to us residents.... |
[11:25] | Huntress Catteneo | next subject I would say |
[11:25] | Silversurfer | ha! |
[11:25] | Silvanus | SL is a free world and LL has its intentionls about this topic (if I observe right) |
[11:25] | Ramona Criss | yes next coz we have only 30 min left |
[11:25] | Silversurfer | Sahall we repeat LL's golas for these meetings? |
[11:25] | Silversurfer | goals* |
[11:25] | Slaton Linden | OK, I think we can chair these meetings. Next topic? |
[11:26] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton.....thanks for agreeing to read that link ionformation...I hope we get progres son this soon |
[11:26] | Qie | excellent. |
[11:26] | Silversurfer | thansl Slaton ;-) |
[11:26] | Innula Zenovka | thank you, Slaton |
[11:26] | Silvanus | wow time goes fast today |
[11:27] | Ramona Criss | so what is next topic? |
[11:27] | Slaton Linden | anyone else want to approach another topic? |
[11:27] | Silvanus | Welcome Center |
[11:27] | Silversurfer | elect welcome committee for this meeting? |
[11:27] | Ginette Pinazzo | next topic on agenda is Wexleom center |
[11:28] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton....this is about Podyan and how it relates to otehr things (including Zindar Sim)..... |
[11:28] | Slaton Linden | Silversurfer, want to discuss welcome commitee? |
[11:28] | Silversurfer | no t at all ;-) |
[11:28] | Innula Zenovka | I would like to ask about the status of the Adult Content FAQ at some point, but am content to have it left until next week if that would be more convenient, Slaton |
[11:29] | Hypatia Meili | it is bit out of date isn't it |
[11:29] | Slaton Linden | Innula, I can provide you with an update on that after the meeting. Is that OK? |
[11:29] | Innula Zenovka | that would be great. thank you |
[11:29] | Lara Boyle | From what I can see the idea and suggestions for the Adult welcome centre make a lot of sense |
[11:30] | Slaton Linden | FAQ is being updated |
[11:30] | Hypatia Meili | good |
[11:30] | Silvanus | yes atopic for ADULT over all |
[11:30] | Nal | Slaton, is it possible to publish that info in the forum or some place so we all know what is up with AC FAQ? |
[11:30] | Lara Boyle | but a question I do have... is how would an Adult centre fit in with all the others...? |
[11:30] | Slaton Linden | Nal, I'll look into that and let you know |
[11:30] | Innula Zenovka | actually, i think it's wider than that .. most questions are to do with "is this ok on M land" rather than "is this ok on Adult land" |
[11:31] | Nal | Thx |
[11:31] | Slaton Linden | let's focus on welcome experience. |
[11:31] | Hypatia Meili | i think ther is a place for both |
[11:31] | Huntress Catteneo | yes I would say that way too Innula |
[11:31] | Hypatia Meili | an M entry way into adult & an adult strting point |
[11:32] | Hypatia Meili | so to speak |
[11:32] | Ginette Pinazzo | amazinly Hypoa..the next agenda topic deal with that directly |
[11:32] | Silversurfer | what welcome experience Zlaton? are you talking about Zindra sim now? |
[11:32] | Kim Rongyu | would it not be easier to make both Adult? |
[11:32] | Silversurfer | Slaton |
[11:32] | Lara Boyle | but how would that relate to the PG/G welcome zones?... I mean... how would then be directed to there? |
[11:32] | Slaton Linden | Silersurfer, yes? |
[11:33] | Silversurfer | ok, ZA have submitted a number of suggestions for the Zindra sim |
[11:33] | Huntress Catteneo | be nice to see |
[11:33] | Silversurfer | and I think we really need to agree what the purpose of that si im before we fill it with content |
[11:33] | Hypatia Meili | lets here ginetes idea then your counter |
[11:33] | Silversurfer | I understand there is a drive to fill the sim with human greeters |
[11:34] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton...cabn we styiuck to agenda and digress afterwards? |
[11:34] | Silvanus | well Counter the topic is as the name: Welcome |
[11:34] | Silversurfer | I understand there is a drive to fill the sim with human greeters? |
[11:34] | Huntress Catteneo | these meetings seem to still be very much two halves, not good for any processes |
[11:34] | Qie | So, there are a *bunch* of Adult infoHubs, some islands, some not. I agree that we need a Mature gateway to the Adult experience... I don't especially think it needs to be associated with Zindra at all. We also need a *Zindra* welcome area, Adult-rated, that serves the mainland continent directly. |
[11:34] | Silversurfer | the first question is who will man the sim 24/7 with greeters? |
[11:34] | Silvanus | Silvanus thinks that huntress got a key ; )
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[11:35] | Ginette Pinazzo | that is not any fiurst question,....we are not close to that........ |
[11:35] | Silversurfer | second question is, do you understand what happens to a sim when you give it a prominent place in DG? - it stalls because it gets full in minutes |
[11:35] | Silvanus | SIM-management can do this, Counter.... |
[11:36] | Ginette Pinazzo | there has been ZERO consensus that Zindar Sim will be such a aplce yet...ther are otehr topics first to deal with, so we dotn re-invent the wheel |
[11:36] | Hypatia Meili | counter are you prposing we simply have no welcomare because they get busy? |
[11:36] | Slaton Linden | So, currently the Zindra sim is acting as the gateway to adult because of it's priority is search. Do you all want to change that? |
[11:36] | Silversurfer | then the goal for the Zindra sim is not to fill that sim with agents, but to get them out to the remaining 342 sims on the continent as sooon as possible |
[11:36] | Ginette Pinazzo | (I think we overloaded Slaton) |
[11:36] | Silvanus | not me |
[11:36] | Ginette Pinazzo | no Slaton......thats backwards |
[11:37] | Qie | Slaton, that's a side issue, really. The problem isn't search priority for the gateway, but the availability of a Mature-rated gateway to Adult |
[11:37] | Silversurfer | we want to sue teh Zindra sim as the portal to this continent |
[11:37] | Silversurfer | use |
[11:37] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton: I am weary of metnioning the next agenda topic whoich addresses this......am i wasting my timje here? |
[11:37] | Ginette Pinazzo | who is 'we' countre..? that is not the wish of many others |
[11:37] | Silversurfer | and we dont think placing human helpers there is the right way of doing it |
[11:37] | Qie | I think we're confusing things here. This agenda item is about Podyan, no? |
[11:37] | Slaton Linden | Ginette, dive in w/ welcome agenda item |
[11:37] | Silversurfer | ZA has submitted this as a proposal |
[11:37] | Ginette Pinazzo | yes Qie..can we get to it? |
[11:37] | Hypatia Meili | lets her ginnetes prposal first |
[11:37] | Ginette Pinazzo | ok Slaton..... |
[11:37] | Silversurfer | you know the group of 250 residents? |
[11:38] | Silvanus | huan helpers are the right answer to increase the quality appearance |
[11:38] | Ginette Pinazzo | http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-welcome-center-how-to-do-it-right |
[11:38] | Hypatia Meili | then counter then we can discauss ? |
[11:38] | Huntress Catteneo | the place that disappeared was the key, do we know what happed there and if it will reappear? |
[11:38] | Ginette Pinazzo | this item exists for a reason |
[11:38] | Silvanus | its all about human here, Counter |
[11:38] | Silversurfer | it is all bout business here |
[11:38] | Qie | My only real hang-up about that is naming. I don't think it should have "Zindra" anywhere in its name. |
[11:38] | Ginette Pinazzo | Viale wanted soem complelong rezasons why Zindar Som shoudl not be a welcoem center...this linkmproviudes 3 solid reasons....AND explains why Podyan is the obvious better choice.... |
[11:38] | Silversurfer | that is why we got moved here by LL |
[11:38] | Silvanus | business is a part not more |
[11:39] | Silvanus | without the clients and customers you hae no business |
[11:39] | Silversurfer | exaclty |
[11:39] | Huntress Catteneo | wher is Podyan though?? |
[11:39] | Silversurfer | and stalling themm in the Zindra sim is not gonna help |
[11:39] | Qie | Zindra sim *might* be a welcome center for the Zindra continent, but that's for a different purpose than this agenda item is trying to address. |
[11:39] | Ginette Pinazzo | Podyan is Moderate..itrs in ocean...and it can be renamed something very specific and intuitive to guarabntee peoepl will go there first |
[11:39] | Ramona Criss | true Silvanus |
[11:39] | Silvanus | but you willnot be able to hypnotize and order ppl to buy and purchase |
[11:39] | Silvanus | first you have to care for them |
[11:39] | Silversurfer | they need to get sprayed out over the continent |
[11:39] | Ginette Pinazzo | I have been researching ab t the fate of Podyan...still in midst of that |
[11:40] | Ginette Pinazzo | but I see NO reason to reivnetn the wheel when we had/have the perfect welcoem center solutin already there |
[11:40] | Lara Boyle | I run an Adult Sim at a profit... and we've had no benefit of anything but ourselves for the last five years |
[11:40] | Silversurfer | yes, perfect - telling people who were age verified how to age verify |
[11:40] | Ginette Pinazzo | ajnd that can free up Zindar Sim to be soemthing a lot more dynamic than a welcoem center |
[11:40] | Rogue Vondran | People need to lead to water to make them drink, you will always need a watering hole, so to speak |
[11:40] | Silvanus | yes Lara, you are smart, but not all business owners on SL have such a great management-education |
[11:40] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton, have tyou read that matrial yet? (its bveen posted ANd emailed a whiler ago) |
[11:41] | Silversurfer | ditto to Slaton |
[11:41] | Silversurfer | we have submitted tons of suggestions, and you should be able to compile them for us for further discussion |
[11:41] | Silvanus | Silvanus agrees to Rogue
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[11:41] | Slaton Linden | yes, Ginette I've read it. Is everyone in agreement that Podyan should be the gateway/ welcome for adult? |
[11:42] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton.this iis one of the reasoins we wre so adamant abotu not wasting Zindra Sim as a mere welcoem center and making it soemthing really useful |
[11:42] | Ginette Pinazzo | U agree, Slaton..it meets all the conditions for a welcoem center |
[11:42] | Ginette Pinazzo | *I |
[11:43] | Slaton Linden | Ginette, this issue if more about search and discoverability. Do mot people not hear Zindra then search for it and end up there first? |
[11:43] | Ginette Pinazzo | thoughts from the crowd? (many quiet ones today!) |
[11:43] | Silversurfer | Slaton the ideal thing would be to place the Zindra sim in DG for Basic |
[11:43] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton..if you are talking inqworld search? via map or places? its a non-issue...a few Zindar thinsg will pop up....what you WANT is soewmtning specific...liek Zindar StartPoint, etc |
[11:43] | Silversurfer | but then it must have the capacity and seup to handle the traffic |
[11:43] | Silversurfer | and get people out to the remianing 342 sims |
[11:44] | Nal | The only well known adult area people know of, if they know one, is Zindra. But, I suspect most just search for their kink. |
[11:44] | Ginette Pinazzo | if you keep it 'Zindra' it wont help your discoverability...just add confision |
[11:44] | Slaton Linden | OK, Ginette that makes sense |
[11:44] | Ginette Pinazzo | call it Zindra GoHere First...hahah..you get desired results |
[11:44] | Huntress Catteneo | Zindra Central |
[11:44] | Qie | Well, but Slaton, if they hear about Zindra, they should go to the Zindra continent. Podyan probably needs some keywords around it to make it clear that it serves the whole Mature - Adult gateway. |
[11:44] | Silversurfer | why would you call it gohereefirst if it is a nice image in the Basic DG? |
[11:45] | Rogue Vondran | agree's Huntress |
[11:45] | Silversurfer | thi is not the command line Ginette |
[11:45] | Ginette Pinazzo | Podyan woudl obviously ber renamed Qie |
[11:45] | Innula Zenovka | is this about promoting Adult Content or that small subset of adult content to be found on Zindra? |
[11:45] | Huntress Catteneo | was joke counter |
[11:45] | Couldbe | why are we still banging on about the change of name? I thought it had been decided to keep it as Zindra |
[11:45] | Qie | see, but it *can't* be named "Zindra"-anything |
[11:45] | Ginette Pinazzo | its abt both Innula...the welcoem center at Podyan woudl cover it all |
[11:45] | Slaton Linden | Qie, yes, good point |
[11:45] | Huntress Catteneo | she gave exmaple |
[11:45] | Nal | Zindra Start - is very obvious for one searching on just Zindra. |
[11:45] | Vick Forcella | Hi all, and more :) |
[11:46] | Ginette Pinazzo | why not Qie...? you have 'Zindra' plus the descriptive term...you get best of both wordls |
[11:46] | Silversurfer | if you feed the newly minted Zindra in DG, they will immediately make the association |
[11:46] | Silversurfer | no need for any additional name |
[11:46] | Hypatia Meili | depends on which sim you ar talking about Qie |
[11:46] | Dancer Greenfield | A few weeks ago we agreed unanimously (in this meeting) to change the name... then the next week people came who had missed the meeting and brought the topic up again |
[11:46] | Qie | but Zindra is not all of the Adult content in SL |
[11:46] | Qie | the Mature-to-Adult gateway needs to be more general |
[11:46] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton..you have an ovcerriding issue too....for Marketing.....you cant brand the welcoem center juust Zindra...maerkting will hate you later.........a specific name will let you really promote it |
[11:47] | Qie | there may also be a good use for a Zindra-specific gateway, but that should be *on* the Zindra continent itself. |
[11:47] | Silversurfer | why dont you really rename it to adultfinder then? |
[11:47] | Silversurfer | cant be more direct than that |
[11:47] | Vick Forcella | Did I drop this URL before? http://vickforcella.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/a-vision-of-zindra/ |
[11:47] | Nal | Dancer, that is why the chair controls the meetngs and sticks to agenda. |
[11:47] | Rogue Vondran | I have to go, ty all for having me :) |
[11:47] | Ginette Pinazzo | ciao Rogue |
[11:47] | Silversurfer | Cheers Rough |
[11:47] | Kim Rongyu | byw :) |
[11:47] | Silversurfer | Rogue* |
[11:47] | Ginette Pinazzo | no reason to 'drop' the Zindar part...it can help brtanding......just add to it |
[11:47] | Slaton Linden | thanks, Rouge |
[11:48] | Qie | (To be honest, I think Arapaima was originally intended to do what Podyan is being asked to do now... out in the middle of the water, "Safe Infohub" etc... but it was rated Adult, so that proved to be backwards.) |
[11:48] | Ginette Pinazzo | Maybe Zindra Adult QuickStaret |
[11:48] | Silversurfer | Silversurfer thinks Ginette does not ahve a clue about branding
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[11:48] | Silversurfer | the branding you propose Ginette is like a Microsoft product |
[11:48] | Ginette Pinazzo | counter..I will nto tolerate your wild insults |
[11:48] | Silversurfer | comes in 7 different names on the package |
[11:48] | Silvanus | Counter your lanuage becomes destructive |
[11:48] | Huntress Catteneo | personal stuff again, knock it off |
[11:49] | Silversurfer | sorry, i shall not mention Microsoft any more |
[11:49] | Qie | lol. they posted record profits. such language, Counter. :p |
[11:49] | Huntress Catteneo | as the saying goes, can't say anything nice, don't say |
[11:49] | Ginette Pinazzo | insiults will scare away professional peoepl from this process too....we need to have that stopped |
[11:49] | Slaton Linden | let's keep it friendly as possible please. Professional would be good too |
[11:50] | Lara Boyle | well good people.... I was invited here - and came with good intentions. I have watched and listened - and frankly I see nothing that is productive and sadly, nothing that shows even a remote way of going forward... I offer my thanks for the invite... my respect to you Slaton. Perhaps when things go professional, we shall be invited back |
[11:50] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton....can we get action items on this topc? so we have soem sense of movement? |
[11:50] | Hypatia Meili | heckling just to heckle doe not help |
[11:50] | Silversurfer | Silversurfer happens to know quite a bit about branding having wirked in marketing for the 2 strongest brands there is
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[11:50] | Ginette Pinazzo | thansk Latex...and Im truly sorry |
[11:50] | Huntress Catteneo | It seems we need mediators for these two groups, it is getting rather tiring |
[11:51] | Silversurfer | it gets tiring because one party never wants to discuss on terms with the rest |
[11:51] | Slaton Linden | alrighty, back to welcome. In general, do people agree with Ginette's proposal? |
[11:51] | Lara Boyle | tis not your fault Ginette.... you deserve evey success - but with a meeting like this... it will never happen |
[11:51] | Silversurfer | no |
[11:51] | Ginette Pinazzo | I agree and its the positio9n of ZE too (we have our own secrte meetings..haha) |
[11:51] | Silvanus | See you Lara, thank you for your time |
[11:51] | Slaton Linden | noted Silversurfer |
[11:51] | Nal | Somewhat |
[11:51] | Silversurfer | ZE does not even have any process |
[11:51] | Silversurfer | I am mamber of it and no meetings at all |
[11:52] | Dancer Greenfield | Bye Lara, thanks for coming |
[11:52] | Couldbe | Thank you for your input Lara, I'm sure it has been noted.. do you have a professional script writer by any chance? |
[11:52] | Silversurfer | so who do you represent Ginette? You? |
[11:52] | Vick Forcella | I'm missing meetings lately |
[11:52] | Ginette Pinazzo | we meet twice a week and we even have our meetings machinimad..haha |
[11:52] | Lara Boyle | we have four Couldbe |
[11:52] | Vick Forcella | I have sort of a proposal too, did I mention http://vickforcella.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/a-vision-of-zindra/ (Vick is spamming) |
[11:52] | Nal | I've gotta run. Bye. |
[11:53] | Slaton Linden | Vick, I'll review |
[11:53] | Silvanus | bye Natales |
[11:53] | Slaton Linden | thanks |
[11:53] | Vick Forcella | ty Slanton |
[11:53] | Chantall Congrejo | it seems this is not a LL leading meeting and only personal feelings are spoken out, wat i miss is agenda and stick to it lead by a chairman that leads and dont forces his idees but look in al derections. |
[11:54] | Hypatia Meili | i do not get all this obstrutionism. the way to go is make proposals stop tearing down others idea |
[11:54] | Slarus Rajal-Palen | Be well all, thank you for the invite |
[11:54] | Huntress Catteneo | Well I was made to make a promise, so even though I can guess the answer.... |
[11:54] | Dancer Greenfield | Bye Slarus |
[11:54] | Hypatia Meili | let the sugestions them selves compoeete |
[11:54] | Silversurfer | and LL needs to compile the ideas for presentation and further discussion |
[11:54] | Huntress Catteneo | Is there any sign of any progress at all with Vortex? had griefer during speed build again is really ridiculous |
[11:54] | Ginette Pinazzo | take care Slarus |
[11:54] | Silvanus | Silvanus is missing a minimum of manners at this meetings
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[11:54] | Silversurfer | right now theat email address is a balck hole |
[11:54] | Slaton Linden | Huntress, I'll follow up with you |
[11:55] | Ginette Pinazzo | we have 5 monutes: do we have actio0n items going forward? |
[11:55] | Huntress Catteneo | the poor builders look at me and go 'do something' |
[11:55] | Evelynn Kidd | a voting machine would be a help |
[11:55] | Slaton Linden | Silversurfer, I just got added to the email which should help us respond |
[11:55] | Silversurfer | uit would help if there was suggestions to vote on |
[11:55] | Hypatia Meili | slaton ar we to only make email submsions or ad to agenda also? |
[11:55] | Silversurfer | great Slaton |
[11:56] | Silversurfer | so that means you have not seen any of ZA's proposals? |
[11:56] | Silversurfer | only Viale? |
[11:56] | Silvanus | voting makes only sense in SL when you have an IP dedection and even then it can be manipulated |
[11:56] | Slaton Linden | Hypatia, either way. I'm going to figure out a process for prioritizing the agenda items anyway. |
[11:56] | Slaton Linden | Silvanus, you read my mind ;) |
[11:56] | Silversurfer | that would be great Slaton |
[11:57] | Silversurfer | Ip addresses change troughout the day for anyone with a mobile rig |
[11:57] | Ginette Pinazzo | I advise anyone who wants to get things addressed., add to the wiki agenda too....to provide transparency |
[11:57] | Silversurfer | so it does not make sense to use those |
[11:58] | Silversurfer | I suggest LL adds to the agenda |
[11:58] | Hypatia Meili | well you can certinly get roguh idea of general concencus but a vote is not good to decide clos alternatives |
[11:58] | Silversurfer | after suubmission |
[11:58] | Silversurfer | and write locked, so it cant be tampered with |
[11:58] | Ginette Pinazzo | if LL want s' organic' you will continue to have resdeinst empowe4red to add to agenda, as lonmg a sits not absued |
[11:58] | Hypatia Meili | i sugest we can ad freely but LL can veto |
[11:58] | Silversurfer | it has been abused we all know that |
[11:58] | Slaton Linden | sounds reasonable Silversurfer. |
[11:59] | Hypatia Meili | and maybe lockit on friday |
[11:59] | Hypatia Meili | sono late addtions |
[11:59] | Hypatia Meili | then unlock after the meeting |
[11:59] | Ginette Pinazzo | Slaton..if you shut out agenda posting as an opytion, you are moving away from yoru stated mission to be organic......you will elinmiate even MORE involveemnt |
[11:59] | Qie | Perhaps the prioritized list should be hands-off to residents (we can see the history), even if items can be added to a separate section for Linden prioritization into the actual agenda. |
[11:59] | Silversurfer | since ZA has group meetings on Sundays we like to submit Monday morning European time |
[12:00] | Ginette Pinazzo | just allow peoepl to post on agedna...and LL can re-edit if necessary |
[12:00] | Hypatia Meili | withno time for anyone to review it as soimbody els objected(why i added thAT) |
[12:00] | Vick Forcella | In RL people die, what will be our legacy? |
[12:01] | Hypatia Meili | i rather nothave it locked but other said wan tome to review it |
[12:01] | Silversurfer | with time for LL to complie the submissions for the agenda Monday |
[12:01] | Ginette Pinazzo | we are taking work OFF of LL's hands by doing it the wiki way |
[12:01] | Ginette Pinazzo | this way Slaton can just shwo up and run down agenda in order...as in past |
[12:01] | Silversurfer | they gotta do some work for what we pay them? ;.)) |
[12:01] | Hypatia Meili | and LLseems to wan that more resident run. right? |
[12:01] | Ginette Pinazzo | its trhe most inclusive but organized solution |
[12:02] | Vick Forcella | Lately the Wiki is almost impossible to find btw |
[12:02] | Ginette Pinazzo | all you need is URL, Vick |
[12:03] | Slaton Linden | we'll need to prioritize. we're fine with that. we'll keep it open, but look for a way to review prior to meeting and confirm that people who added agree with agenda |
[12:03] | Vick Forcella | I know, I know. but from the main pages all points to the *new and improved* KB |
[12:03] | Hypatia Meili | why is that? ive found that withalot of parts of the SL offcial site. |
[12:03] | Hypatia Meili | seems hard to navigate latly |
[12:03] | Vick Forcella | We all can modify the wiki |
[12:03] | Hypatia Meili | unless yo doalreadyhave th url |
[12:03] | Ginette Pinazzo | ok Slaton...sounds liek soem sort of plan |
[12:03] | Silversurfer | and the email submission process Slaton? |
[12:04] | Slaton Linden | you can email and we'll add |
[12:04] | Silversurfer | is that dead now then? |
[12:04] | Silversurfer | ok, thanks |
[12:04] | Slaton Linden | no, email is fine |
[12:04] | Vick Forcella | for the agenda there should be no need for e-mail |
[12:04] | Ginette Pinazzo | just realzie: publically published material on that wiki shows transparency....closer to the mission of letting the community evolve its pown growtrh |
[12:04] | Hypatia Meili | can we ad or ned to eamil then? |
[12:04] | Slaton Linden | sorry if you've had issues with the email. Should be better moving fwd |
[12:04] | Hypatia Meili | only |
[12:04] | Ginette Pinazzo | slaton...we all have your email? |
[12:04] | Slaton Linden | add or email. either way |
[12:05] | Vick Forcella | community@lindenlab.com |
[12:05] | Silversurfer | sounds like a deal Slaton |
[12:05] | Silvanus | Silvanus fears Sthat Slaton gets spammed
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[12:05] | Hypatia Meili | i sugest people do both usualy |
[12:05] | Slaton Linden | yes, email community@lindenlab.com |
[12:05] | Ginette Pinazzo | great |
[12:05] | Huntress Catteneo | when posting there how do you say which linden? |
[12:05] | Slaton Linden | OK, I gotta run. |
[12:06] | Ginette Pinazzo | ciao |
[12:06] | Ramona Criss | •´¨*•.¸.♥ Bye Bye ♥.¸.•*¨`• |
[12:06] | Silvanus | ty Slaton : ) |
[12:06] | Vick Forcella | Gotta run to, have a girl to tie up |
[12:06] | Qie | thanks Slaton. |
[12:06] | Silvanus | tc and a nice week : ) |
[12:06] | Ramona Criss | •´¨*•.¸.♥ Bye Bye ♥.¸.•*¨`• |
[12:06] | Ramona Criss | Slaton |
[12:06] | Dancer Greenfield | Bye Slaton |
[12:06] | Hypatia Meili | comunity does that get from other comunities then? should we topic them "adult" ? |
[12:06] | Kim Rongyu | bye Slaton |
[12:06] | Hypatia Meili | bye slaton |
[12:06] | Vick Forcella | TC all! |
[12:06] | Innula Zenovka | thanks Slaton |
[12:06] | Ginette Pinazzo | I feel bad we just lost a very strong possible particopant )LatexGirl)...I hope we can develop a better process so that sort of thing doesnt ha[2011/07/25 ppen again |