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Agenda

Will there be any veiwer settings requirements to see materials? such as lighting and shadows on. ac14 Hutson
Materials.... When, where, and how can we test materials? Will materials be at the cost of texture faces? What Channel direction will normal maps use? Any thought of adding AO slot or Shadow Map slot? Will they be required option in uploader or option in edit object features panel? 3DOpifex Resident 11:02, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
We will see reflective materials like mirrors or realistic water? Voodoo Radek
Rigged Mesh Priorities for mesh deformer, to deform one another? Possible? Any thoughts of adding this? 3DOpifex Resident 12:05, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
I haven't been able to log in to the JIRA system for a week. Who would I contact to fix it? Ashasekayi Ra 12:16, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
How does the current deformer do its job? (how does it operate) 3DOpifex Resident 12:57, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

Meeting Notes

Attendees List

Transcript for Monday August 27, 2012

[12:00]	Nyx Linden	greetings all
[12:01]	v00 Ceres	hey Nyx
[12:01]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	I believe the reasoning was because UUID flipping is hell on the asset system
[12:01]	Rusalka Writer	Made it!
[12:01]	ac14 Hutson	hello.
[12:01]	Tiberious Neruda	woot... Nyx is here!
[12:01]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	Hello, Nyx.
[12:01]	Severus Slade (princeseverus.slade)	i always thought that prims are found on the server using UUID.. mesh proves me wrong there. how is it made?
[12:02]	Nyx Linden	the agenda is here, please feel free to add topics to the end as appropriate: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
[12:02]	Severus Slade (princeseverus.slade)	thank you nyx
[12:02]	Nyx Linden	shall we get started?
[12:02]	Kennylex Luckless	I has a question about PE. I did import a lion head that had around 17 000 vertex, at the size of 0.199 it was 1 PE but at size 0.200 it did jump to 14 PE. Is it so that (17 000 vertex * 14) at 0.199 brings no more lag than same (single) model that is just 0.001 larger?
[12:03]	Nyx Linden	first topic: Will there be any veiwer settings requirements to see materials? such as lighting and shadows on. ac14 Hutson
[12:03]	Tiberious Neruda	ooh... the big one
[12:03]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	hi everyone
[12:03]	Rusalka Writer	Aloha.
[12:04]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	for the time being: yes
[12:04]	Tiberious Neruda	/me sighs
[12:04]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	Lighting & Shadows will be required, however you can disable the shadows part by setting that setting to "None"
[12:04]	Rusalka Writer	Aloha.
[12:04]	Tiberious Neruda	why do we have to take that framerate hit?
[12:04]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	O.O really? One would have to turn that on in the project viewer for materials?
[12:04]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	(which will save users a bit of a performance hit)
[12:05]	Drongle McMahon	Kennylex ... it's probably the hidden switch of physics shape type.
[12:05]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	Because forward rendering cannot light up bumps very well.
[12:05]	ac14 Hutson	im sure most people here know that but i know alot of my customers who arent able or dont do that. theres no way to put it under basic sharders or whatever. i mean we have bumpmapping under that
[12:05]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	what Koli said more or less, the way lighting is handled on bump mapped objects without lighting and shadows enabled is incompatible with apply lighitng to a normal map
[12:06]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	however, it's worth stating that I'm only speaking about the first release here
[12:06]	ac14 Hutson	Is it possible the settings can be changed to enable "advanced lighting" but remove unlimited local light and projectors that can bog down computers
[12:06]	Tiberious Neruda	....Geenz... experience has shown that if it's not in the first release, we don't get it
[12:06]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	we'll see
[12:07]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	and Tiberious, we're talking about something that would be purely viewer-side here, there's no reason it can't be done as a separate contribution
[12:07]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	but that's a different story!
[12:07]	ac14 Hutson	I mean the more people that can see with with lower settings the better off it will be :p
[12:07]	Tiberious Neruda	with server-side parts necessary
[12:08]	Nyx Linden	materials definitely should not be enabled for everyone who is running basic shaders, but there is likely a decent middle ground between that and full lighting & shadows.
[12:08]	Tiberious Neruda	I do too for some stupid reason
[12:08]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	Strange.
[12:08]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	Tiberious: not really, per-pixel lighting can be implemented in the forward renderer without server-side changes, but it's an issue that requires additional thought
[12:09]	Tiberious Neruda	but the sim still needs to know what effects people should see
[12:09]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	as Nyx said, per-pixel lighting probably won't be enabled with basic shaders, but we'll see where things go
[12:10]	Tiberious Neruda	....I'm talking about possibly being able to use the extra texture slots for effects other than just normal/specular maps
[12:10]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	and the server is ignorant to what viewer-side settings you're using for rendering
[12:10]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	Tiberious, why would the server need to know what settings we are using? Do you mean to decide whether or not to download normals & Specular maps?
[12:10]	Nyx Linden	that's a completely separate question Tiberious
[12:11]	FatMasterFlash	HI EVERY1 =)
[12:11]	FatMasterFlash	IS THIS WATERHEAD =)
[12:11]	Rusalka Writer	This is a mesh group meeting.
[12:11]	FatMasterFlash	MESH? =)
[12:12]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Can someone post the agenda link?
[12:12]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	well that was fast!
[12:12]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
[12:12]	Tiberious Neruda	true... but I still think that if we don't get that ability in the first release, we'll never get it
[12:12]	Bazz Fazz (vir.linden)	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
[12:12]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Thank you :)
[12:13]	Nyx Linden	more to say that using "extra texture slots" as something other than normal/specular should be a different topic of discussion than which settings normal/specular maps will be enabled for :)
[12:13]	Bazz Fazz (vir.linden)	/ As the title doesn't really make clear, we talk about all types of content creation here, not just mesh
[12:13]	Rusalka Writer	Plus, ponies.
[12:14]	Nyx Linden	ok I think we've covered the first topic, moving on?
[12:14]	Nyx Linden	next topic: "Materials.... When, where, and how can we test materials? Will materials be at the cost of texture faces? What Channel direction will normal maps use? Any thought of adding AO slot or Shadow Map slot? Will they be required option in uploader or option in edit object features panel? 3DOpifex Resident 11:02, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
[12:14]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	multiple questions here!
[12:15]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	first question: when it's ready, on the beta grid, and with the appropriate project viewer when it's ready
[12:16]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	Is the ETA in weeks, months, or years?
[12:16]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	No ETA.
[12:16]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	:P
[12:16]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	second: currently you'll be able to have as many materials as there are selectable faces on a prim (or texture groups on a mesh)
[12:16]	Fabled Magic	Will there be channels?
[12:16]	Tiberious Neruda	sometime in early 2025, it sounds like
[12:16]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	"channels"?
[12:16]	Rusalka Writer	I hope that drives the right sort of behavior.
[12:16]	Fabled Magic	Texture channels, where you can put more than one texture on a single face- and blend them together
[12:17]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	no
[12:17]	Fabled Magic	For example you could blend in a normal map- ah ok
[12:18]	Tiberious Neruda	you mean a material for each face?
[12:18]	Tiberious Neruda	and this applies to normal prims too, right
[12:18]	Nyx Linden	think of it as adding normal & specular texture "slots" to each prim "face"
[12:18]	Tiberious Neruda	?
[12:18]	Fabled Magic	Perhaps we could have an option to use the SL water on a face?
[12:18]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	channel direction that normal maps will use, I assume you mean DirectX style or OpenGL style?
[12:18]	Nyx Linden	that's topic 3 Fabled, we'll get to that next
[12:19]	Fabled Magic	Oops, sorry, I didn't see it ^^
[12:19]	Tiberious Neruda	....I'm awaiting someone causing a crash by literally raining pennies... each with normal-mapped obverse/reverse
[12:19]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	(as in, positive Y or negative Y)
[12:20]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	R = tangent space X axis, G = tangent space Y axis, B = tangent space Z axis
[12:20]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	assume OpenGL style coordinates
[12:21]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	(which in 3D applications that allow the selection of coordinate systems, it's usually literally labeled "OpenGL Style"
[12:22]	Tiberious Neruda	...I think that's actually a rather legitimate question... what kind of performance impact will multiple normal-mapped objects have?
[12:22]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	next: no support for separate ambient occlusion or shadow maps in the first version (though I'd argue that'd be better of as a separate static lighting system entirely)
[12:22]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	under lighting and shadows, they won't have any additional performance impact than existing bumpy or shiny objects do
[12:23]	Tiberious Neruda	even with tons of them?
[12:23]	Nyx Linden	more texture data to download / hold in memory of course
[12:23]	Tiberious Neruda	I'm thinking a suitably complex one, repeated often enough
[12:23]	Rusalka Writer	Aw, c'mon, we can crash this sucker.
[12:23]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	right, aside from the additional texture data, there will be no additional performance impact than existing bumpy and shiny objects
[12:24]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	as for the last part of Opifex's question:
[12:24]	Voodoo Radek	That's sounds good
[12:24]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	textures will be uploaded separately, and applied to an object in-world as such
[12:25]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	yes
[12:25]	Drongle McMahon	Ordinary prims too, no?
[12:26]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	yes
[12:26]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	I was about to ask that :D
[12:26]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Just not clothing layers or avatar...yes?
[12:26]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	unfortunately, yes
[12:26]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	(for now, it's a rather complex issue)
[12:27]	Nyx Linden	avatars are special types of primitives :)
[12:27]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	ones that get rather special treatment as well!
[12:27]	Tiberious Neruda	avatars: the original rigged mesh
[12:27]	Rusalka Writer	No scales, then?
[12:28]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	however, rigged meshes will work with materials
[12:28]	Rusalka Writer	Ah.
[12:28]	Tiberious Neruda	right now, even bump doesn't work with them
[12:28]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Good to go ^^
[12:28]	Rusalka Writer	No problems.
[12:29]	Nyx Linden	next topic: "We will see reflective materials like mirrors or realistic water? Voodoo Radek"
[12:30]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	for now, no
[12:30]	Voodoo Radek	Ok
[12:30]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	a lot of it has to do with there's no trivial means to do reflections on objects
[12:30]	Nyx Linden	reflection is....expensive.
[12:30]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	indeed
[12:30]	Rusalka Writer	The mythic mirror.
[12:30]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	and things like screen space reflections are very limited
[12:31]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	and require a lot of filtering to smooth out the artifacts
[12:31]	Nyx Linden	and most places in SL aren't limited enough to do a portal or other indoor-centric system
[12:31]	ac14 Hutson	custom cubemap?
[12:31]	Nyx Linden	(much less preprocessing required)
[12:31]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	To note, water reflection is only rendered at 512x512 to reduce the performance penalty.
[12:31]	Severus Slade (princeseverus.slade)	/me likes portal systems
[12:32]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	I was thinking cube map as well.
[12:32]	LifeInBeta	I believe that no matter how many cosmetic improvements will be made to SL it doesn't help as long as SL is infamous for its griefer base, there is a recent wave of hacking, your I.P. address can be easily found out with an exploit of the voice software
[12:32]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	reflections and refractions are two of the really most costing in computer processing
[12:32]	LifeInBeta	Sims can easily be crashed
[12:32]	Voodoo Radek	We will be able to use the current water material at least?
[12:32]	Tiberious Neruda	speedything goesin, speedything comesout
[12:32]	Voodoo Radek	Would be nice in skyboxes
[12:32]	LifeInBeta	LL need to address security issues before anything such as reflections
[12:32]	Nyx Linden	no, there are a number of reasons why the water shaders cannot be used on arbitrary prims.
[12:32]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	O.o
[12:32]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	oh teh noes, my IP address!
[12:33]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	lol Geenz
[12:33]	Voodoo Radek	Alright, perfomance issues then
[12:33]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	Voodoo - that's the primary reason. Would just cost too much.
[12:33]	Voodoo Radek	I understand
[12:33]	LifeInBeta	LL should also be aware of that Welcome Areas / Telehubs such as Ahern, Violet, Waterhead are hot-spots for griefers
[12:33]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	LifeInBeta - wrong user group.
[12:33]	Ash Weststar (ash.qin)	Can't tell if LifeInBeta is trolling.
[12:33]	LifeInBeta	Yet to see a Linden drop by in those areas is a very rare thing
[12:34]	LifeInBeta	Perhaps they would rather just not see
[12:34]	Braydon Randt	perhaps we dont give a shyte
[12:34]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	/me thinks his trolling.
[12:34]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	there may be some limited ability to reflect nearby objects that are directly in view at some point, but there's no guarantee on that, would have to look at the overall performance and the quality
[12:34]	LifeInBeta	Braydon why are you answering in their name?
[12:34]	ac14 Hutson	But really has cubemap been considered at all for reflections?
[12:34]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	LifeInBeta: you should ask that in the respective Linden offce
[12:35]	Nyx Linden	we're focused mainly on content creation issues at this meeting, but please do feel free to report any issues of griefing or security issues in the appropriate channels (abuse reports, security project in jira, respectively)
[12:35]	LifeInBeta	What's the appropriate office?
[12:35]	Nyx Linden	next topic: "Rigged Mesh Priorities for mesh deformer, to deform one another? Possible? Any thoughts of adding this? 3DOpifex Resident 12:05, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
[12:35]	LifeInBeta	LL can't handle all reports, this is a fact.
[12:35]	World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)	I would like to know where that appropriate office is as well...or how many abuse reports for a copybotter does it take to get it banned
[12:35]	Braydon Randt	because ... ive been here since mainland was filled with gambelling , camping sex sex sex ..... SL is becomming facebook , and i honestly dont give a crap about griefers in what ever place , because you can get hacked shopping online , or facebook or just getitng your mail, the security holes arnt that big , and inr eality .... its such a small issue on a MASSIVE platform ..
[12:36]	Rusalka Writer	Yes.
[12:36]	Nyx Linden	could you explain what specifically you want to do with multiple deformers?
[12:37]	Voodoo Radek	Priorities for teh deformer? i though you were able to enable o disable it in each rigged mesh you upload
[12:38]	Typhaon Nishi	having one like a collision object?
[12:38]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	They talked about having an offset amount to handle that.
[12:38]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	The idea of layered deformation has been brought up. A shirt feforming a jacket.... Karl says that is beyond the scope of current work.
[12:38]	LifeInBeta	Alright, I'll try to figure out what the relevant office is on my own
[12:39]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	I don't think they planned to include it on the first release though.
[12:39]	Typhaon Nishi	yeah it would be nice to have some some of standard so that creations from different designers could fit in unison
[12:39]	LifeInBeta	Perhaps I'll have to look for "Linden" in the people search and find the Linden in charge of security issues and then be told to file an AR for which I don't find a category and which will not be read
[12:39]	Typhaon Nishi	so that one shirt from one place could fit over jeans from another
[12:39]	Typhaon Nishi	for example
[12:39]	Tiberious Neruda	...yeah. Is for sure trolling
[12:40]	LifeInBeta	Trolling?
[12:40]	Nyx Linden	its a bit different than the deformer topic, if you're talking about layering and giving priorities to the joint offsets themselves
[12:40]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	he is a newb, he doesn`t understand
[12:40]	LifeInBeta	Oh quit your whining the lot of you, you divert much more off topic by pointless responses to me
[12:40]	Nyx Linden	but an interesting topic!
[12:40]	Tiberious Neruda	oh... yes... joint offsetting does NOT play nice with itself
[12:40]	„Ñ®∆∏ÃµÃ°Œ∑ (xen.zelnik)	/me just mutes "Life"
[12:40]	LifeInBeta	Thanks for letting me know you muted me
[12:41]	LifeInBeta	Instead of silently doing it
[12:41]	Typhaon Nishi	I do lik ethe idea of a sort of offset
[12:41]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	LifeInBeta: sorry w can`t help you at the moment, we are in a meeting about Mesh making (importing 3D objects to Second Life) and we can`t get out of that topic now
[12:41]	Tiberious Neruda	there's serious issues with wearing multiple meshes with offsets
[12:42]	Tiberious Neruda	...you end up deformed until logout
[12:42]	Tiberious Neruda	(most noticable when you take off that mesh)
[12:43]	Nyx Linden	ahh ok, sorry misinterpreted the question :)
[12:43]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Offsets were already on the table but not in the scope of the original project Qarl took on.
[12:43]	Nyx Linden	so you're talking about clothing layering and the like?
[12:43]	Nyx Linden	yes layering of rigged mesh clothing
[12:44]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	we want gizmos, ppl, gizmos, yehay!
[12:44]	Tiberious Neruda	he is, yeah. what he's talking about is using the deformer to push the vertices of a 'lower' clothing layer in towards the 'bone' to avoid overlaps
[12:44]	Nyx Linden	no worries, the terminology is overloaded :)
[12:45]	Nyx Linden	yes, as a few others stated, its been a popular request, but is out of scope for the first iteration of the deformer work.
[12:45]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	gimme da lattices, gimme da lattices
[12:45]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	lol
[12:46]	Nyx Linden	would be nice to have, but technically very complex - would not happen for the initial round of work for the deformer work. Qarl and Oz would know latest on the status of that project.
[12:47]	Rusalka Writer	Picturing a nuclear war of customer complaint.
[12:47]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	that`s collision detection, again is a very costly processing thing
[12:47]	Rusalka Writer	Must stick to Garanimals.
[12:48]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	hooo boy
[12:48]	Braydon Randt	/me pulls out his brain , bounces it a few times cleans it on his lg .. and pops it back in " all these things on the table at the moment , we are running before we even have legs"
[12:48]	Nyx Linden	the viewer makes some use of multiple threads currently - extra threads are used for texture decoding and a couple other operations.
[12:48]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	lol, Braydon
[12:48]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	An offset amount you can set would be better than collision, performance-wise, I think.
[12:48]	Nyx Linden	one step at a time indeed Braydon :)
[12:49]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	The viewer generally uses only one for rendering and the like.
[12:49]	Nyx Linden	most of the heavy lifting is on the main thread, yes.
[12:50]	Tiberious Neruda	...so you're better off using one core for SL and the other for other things?
[12:50]	Rusalka Writer	My poor CPU is 89% idle. So am I.
[12:50]	Voodoo Radek	/me have the fx aswell
[12:50]	Nyx Linden	also Ashasekayi had a question: "I haven't been able to log in to the JIRA system for a week. Who would I contact to fix it? Ashasekayi Ra 12:16, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
[12:51]	Voodoo Radek	Oh! i had that problem with the JIRA.. somehow its seems resolved to me now
[12:51]	Nyx Linden	file a support ticket for that please - they will be able to take a look at your account and put everything back in order
[12:51]	ac14 Hutson	looks like the jira bug claimed another :/
[12:51]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Ok, thanks Nyx
[12:53]	Tiberious Neruda	o.o... that worked quite well
[12:53]	Tiberious Neruda	(I can run a YouTube window and SL without stutters after changing affinities)
[12:55]	Ash Weststar (ash.qin)	I am never google image searching 'deformed brains' again.
[12:56]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	LOL
[12:56]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	lol
[12:56]	„Ñ®∆∏ÃµÃ°Œ∑ (xen.zelnik)	eww lol
[12:56]	Voodoo Radek	hehe
[12:56]	Rusalka Writer	Good times.
[12:56]	Nyx Linden	any other topics for today or are we just about wrapped up?
[12:56]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	a cage deformer for the brain
[12:56]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	lol
[12:57]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	well, what`s up that airplanes are all crashing?
[12:57]	Rusalka Writer	Our deformities are driving Nyx away.
[12:57]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	SL Aviation group is in panic
[12:57]	Kennylex Luckless	The standard avatar mesh get a broken tummy, is that something that need to be fixed before mesh deformers?
[12:57]	Rusalka Writer	Crashing?
[12:57]	World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)	why should anyone bother with content creation if constant ar's of copybotting and extortion are going unheeded
[12:57]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	yes, crashing
[12:57]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	you fly a few sims and you crash
[12:57]	Rusalka Writer	Yeeey.
[12:57]	World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)	and what is the proper office for complaints
[12:58]	Voodoo Radek	Oh god
[12:58]	Rusalka Writer	Oh, Falcon...
[12:58]	Tiberious Neruda	oh look, LifeInBeta's back with his alt
[12:58]	Braydon Randt	/me tries to catch his brain escaping , so standing on its flesh self .. and holds it still " see ....... "
[12:58]	World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)	i am not an alt
[12:58]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	this pathfinder update was really nasty
[12:58]	Nyx Linden	next topic: "How does the current deformer do its job? (how does it operate) 3DOpifex Resident 12:57, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
[12:58]	World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)	and i waited till the end to ask
[12:58]	Boyd Doghouse	I always crashed them but I figured it was bad piloting
[12:58]	Tiberious Neruda	....very similar phrasing
[12:59]	„Ñ®∆∏ÃµÃ°Œ∑ (xen.zelnik)	lol boyd
[12:59]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	Boyd: fly over two sims and crash right after isn`t normal
[12:59]	Nyx Linden	the deformer is still under development, so there are still some hiccups, Qarl knows the internals of that system best, he is working with Oz Linden on the integration
[13:00]	Boyd Doghouse	I'll have to try it
[13:00]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	The code for one of the Deformer versions is up on Karl's site.
[13:00]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	Boyd: go to Hollywood airport and talk with people there
[13:00]	Drongle McMahon	Which will be first? Materials or deformer?
[13:00]	Nyx Linden	in a nutshell, you upload a piece of clothing that is sized correctly for a particular avatar build, and it tries to resize the clothing to match the shape of the avatar that you give it to.
[13:01]	Tiberious Neruda	materials, likely
[13:01]	Boyd Doghouse	I'm very curious to see how regular users adjust to the deformer
[13:01]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	Boyd: the place is in my profile pics, it`s the airport in SL with more movement
[13:02]	beanster Potato	3DOpifex: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-1716?
[13:02]	Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)	personally I'd hope that the deformer comes first :p
[13:02]	JIRA-helper	[#STORM-1716] Mesh Deformer for tailoring mesh clothing - Second Life Bug Tracker
[13:02]	Boyd Doghouse	I'll go by
[13:02]	Boyd Doghouse	I haven't been there in a while
[13:02]	Voodoo Radek	I think i am out of the time.. but which qwill be the final avatar that the deformer will use? The one you create when you click a new shape? i have ear contradictions lately
[13:03]	Nyx Linden	it should adjust to the avatar shape you are wearing at the time.
[13:03]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	3D... then the deformer takes the raw mesh and calc's a distance from the mesh to the Defualt Avatar at each vertex. It then uses the current avatar shape to figure new positions for each vertex in the mesh and applies that deformation.
[13:03]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	No it doesn;t #DO
[13:03]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	*3DO
[13:03]	Voodoo Radek	Yeah, but what model you should use to work in the thrid 3d program, lets say blender
[13:03]	Voodoo Radek	‚òÜ ->~~Partyyyyyyyyyy!!!!~~ <- ‚òÜ
[13:03]	Voodoo Radek	<<<~~ P.A.R.T.Y.A.L.A.R.M. ~~>>>
[13:03]	Voodoo Radek	‚òÜ ->~~Partyyyyyyyyyy!!!!~~ <- ‚òÜ
[13:03]	Voodoo Radek	<<<~~ P.A.R.T.Y.A.L.A.R.M. ~~>>>
[13:04]	Voodoo Radek	Oups
[13:04]	Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)	o_O
[13:04]	Voodoo Radek	Third party.. program
[13:04]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	It doesn't take other rigged mesh into account..at all.
[13:05]	Nyx Linden	doing it for a single piece of clothing is much easier than doing it for multiple layers :)
[13:05]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	YW, Karl is currently looking to see about using diferent begining avatars.... other than the default avatar shape. No word on how that is coming along.
[13:05]	Braydon Randt	i have an out there idea .... lets get it to resize first
[13:05]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	i think that the rigged mesh clothes deformer should deform only the clothes and keep the AV shape out of it
[13:05]	Voodoo Radek	Ok Nalates, thanks :]
[13:06]	Braydon Randt	i appreciate customers being able to resize and vary wardrobes , but .. * chuckles* ...
[13:06]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	It does only deform the clothing.
[13:06]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	and what would be the standard shape for creating clothes?Ruth?
[13:06]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Right now, it used the default female or default male.
[13:06]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	*uses
[13:06]	Typhaon Nishi	which ever shape(s) it is there should be some kind of standard
[13:07]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	i am imagining myself creating a brilliant outfit but fitting in a supermodel shape like ruth
[13:07]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	JR, Karl's last version of the deformer used the 'Default Shape' if you want way more details on that look at: http://blog.nalates.net/2012/05/20/second-life-mesh-clothes-blender-2-6-setup-2012-tutorial/
[13:07]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	that¬¥s bot good work that way in RL 3D having a shape like the one of ruth
[13:07]	Nyx Linden	alright, mind if we wrap up here for the week?
[13:07]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	things can`t come out elegant
[13:07]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	works for me
[13:07]	Tiberious Neruda	yay for -still- having fouled-up UVs thanks to all the extra chest geometry....
[13:08]	Voodoo Radek	Thank you so much Nyx, guys
[13:08]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Thanks for the meeting Nyx
[13:08]	Voodoo Radek	For answering me
[13:08]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	Thx Nyx
[13:08]	Nyx Linden	thanks for coming out everyone, see you next week!
[13:08]	Rusalka Writer	Aloha!
[13:08]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	i understood, Nal, i understood :(
[13:08]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	Thank you, Nyx.
[13:08]	jr (jr4201.kruyschek)	ty, Nyx
[13:08]	Kennylex Luckless	I need formulate question before

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+==Attendees List==
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+*<span id="ac14.hutson"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/ac14.hutson ac14 Hutson (ac14.hutson)]{{#ifexist: User:ac14 Hutson| ''[[User:ac14 Hutson|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="ash.qin"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/ash.qin Ash Weststar (ash.qin)]{{#ifexist: User:Ash Weststar| ''[[User:Ash Weststar|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="ashasekayi.ra"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/ashasekayi.ra Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]{{#ifexist: User:Asha| ''[[User:Asha|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="beanster.potato"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/beanster.potato beanster Potato (beanster.potato)]{{#ifexist: User:beanster Potato| ''[[User:beanster Potato|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="boyd.doghouse"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/boyd.doghouse Boyd Doghouse (boyd.doghouse)]{{#ifexist: User:Boyd Doghouse| ''[[User:Boyd Doghouse|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="braydon.randt"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/braydon.randt Braydon Randt (braydon.randt)]{{#ifexist: User:Braydon Randt| ''[[User:Braydon Randt|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="drongle.mcmahon"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/drongle.mcmahon Drongle McMahon (drongle.mcmahon)]{{#ifexist: User:Drongle McMahon| ''[[User:Drongle McMahon|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="fabled.magic"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/fabled.magic Fabled Magic (fabled.magic)]{{#ifexist: User:Fabled Magic| ''[[User:Fabled Magic|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="fatmasterflash"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/fatmasterflash FatMasterFlash (fatmasterflash)]{{#ifexist: User:FatMasterFlash| ''[[User:FatMasterFlash|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="geenz.spad"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/geenz.spad Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]{{#ifexist: User:Geenzian Scientist| ''[[User:Geenzian Scientist|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="jira-helper"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/jira-helper JIRA-helper (jira-helper)]{{#ifexist: User:JIRA-helper| ''[[User:JIRA-helper|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="jr4201.kruyschek"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/jr4201.kruyschek jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]{{#ifexist: User:jr| ''[[User:jr|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="kennylex.luckless"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/kennylex.luckless Kennylex Luckless (kennylex.luckless)]{{#ifexist: User:Kennylex Luckless| ''[[User:Kennylex Luckless|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="lifeinbeta"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/lifeinbeta LifeInBeta (lifeinbeta)]{{#ifexist: User:LifeInBeta| ''[[User:LifeInBeta|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="nalates.urriah"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/nalates.urriah Nal (nalates.urriah)]{{#ifexist: User:Nal| ''[[User:Nal|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="nyx.linden"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/nyx.linden Nyx Linden (nyx.linden)]{{#ifexist: User:Nyx Linden| ''[[User:Nyx Linden|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="princeseverus.slade"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/princeseverus.slade Severus Slade (princeseverus.slade)]{{#ifexist: User:Severus Slade| ''[[User:Severus Slade|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="rusalka.writer"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/rusalka.writer Rusalka Writer (rusalka.writer)]{{#ifexist: User:Rusalka Writer| ''[[User:Rusalka Writer|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="sahkolihaa.contepomi"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/sahkolihaa.contepomi Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]{{#ifexist: User:Koli Melune| ''[[User:Koli Melune|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="tiberious.neruda"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/tiberious.neruda Tiberious Neruda (tiberious.neruda)]{{#ifexist: User:Tiberious Neruda| ''[[User:Tiberious Neruda|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="typhaon.nishi"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/typhaon.nishi Typhaon Nishi (typhaon.nishi)]{{#ifexist: User:Typhaon Nishi| ''[[User:Typhaon Nishi|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="v00.ceres"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/v00.ceres v00 Ceres (v00.ceres)]{{#ifexist: User:v00 Ceres| ''[[User:v00 Ceres|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="vir.linden"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/vir.linden Bazz Fazz (vir.linden)]{{#ifexist: User:Bazz Fazz| ''[[User:Bazz Fazz|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="voodoo.radek"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/voodoo.radek Voodoo Radek (voodoo.radek)]{{#ifexist: User:Voodoo Radek| ''[[User:Voodoo Radek|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="world.undercroft"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/world.undercroft World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)]{{#ifexist: User:World Undercroft Sirnah| ''[[User:World Undercroft Sirnah|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="xen.zelnik"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/xen.zelnik „Ñ®&#8710;&#8719;ÃµÃ°Œ&#8721; (xen.zelnik)]{{#ifexist: User:„Ñ®&#8710;&#8719;ÃµÃ°Œ&#8721;| ''[[User:„Ñ®&#8710;&#8719;ÃµÃ°Œ&#8721;|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+*<span id="yuzuru.jewell"></span>[http://my.secondlife.com/yuzuru.jewell Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)]{{#ifexist: User:Yuzuru| ''[[User:Yuzuru|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
+</div></div>
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+<!-- START Transcript -->
+<div id='box'>
+==Transcript for Monday August 27, 2012==
+<div style='padding: 0.5em'>
+{| cellspacing="2px" border=0 style="color: #434849;"
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_0"></span>[[#msg_0|[12:00]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|greetings all
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_2"></span>[[#msg_2|[12:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="v00.ceres">[[#v00.ceres|v00 Ceres]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hey Nyx
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_3"></span>[[#msg_3|[12:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I believe the reasoning was because UUID flipping is hell on the asset system
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_4"></span>[[#msg_4|[12:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Made it!
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_5"></span>[[#msg_5|[12:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ac14.hutson">[[#ac14.hutson|ac14 Hutson]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hello.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_6"></span>[[#msg_6|[12:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|woot... Nyx is here!
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_7"></span>[[#msg_7|[12:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="yuzuru.jewell">[[#yuzuru.jewell|Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Hello, Nyx.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_8"></span>[[#msg_8|[12:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="princeseverus.slade">[[#princeseverus.slade|Severus Slade (princeseverus.slade)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i always thought that prims are found on the server using UUID.. mesh proves me wrong there. how is it made?
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_9"></span>[[#msg_9|[12:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|the agenda is here, please feel free to add topics to the end as appropriate: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_10"></span>[[#msg_10|[12:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="princeseverus.slade">[[#princeseverus.slade|Severus Slade (princeseverus.slade)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|thank you nyx
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_11"></span>[[#msg_11|[12:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|shall we get started?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_12"></span>[[#msg_12|[12:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="kennylex.luckless">[[#kennylex.luckless|Kennylex Luckless]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I has a question about PE. I did import a lion head that had around 17 000 vertex, at the size of 0.199 it was 1 PE but at size 0.200 it did jump to 14 PE. Is it so that (17 000 vertex * 14) at 0.199 brings no more lag than same (single) model that is just 0.001 larger?
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_13"></span>[[#msg_13|[12:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|first topic: Will there be any veiwer settings requirements to see materials? such as lighting and shadows on. ac14 Hutson
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_14"></span>[[#msg_14|[12:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ooh... the big one
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_15"></span>[[#msg_15|[12:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hi everyone
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_16"></span>[[#msg_16|[12:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Aloha.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_17"></span>[[#msg_17|[12:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|for the time being: yes
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_18"></span>[[#msg_18|[12:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/me sighs
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_19"></span>[[#msg_19|[12:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lighting & Shadows will be required, *however* you can disable the shadows part by setting that setting to "None"
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_20"></span>[[#msg_20|[12:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Aloha.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_21"></span>[[#msg_21|[12:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|why do we have to take that framerate hit?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_22"></span>[[#msg_22|[12:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|O.O really? One would have to turn that on in the project viewer for materials?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_23"></span>[[#msg_23|[12:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(which will save users a bit of a performance hit)
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_24"></span>[[#msg_24|[12:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="drongle.mcmahon">[[#drongle.mcmahon|Drongle McMahon]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Kennylex ... it's probably the hidden switch of physics shape type.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_25"></span>[[#msg_25|[12:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Because forward rendering cannot light up bumps very well.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_26"></span>[[#msg_26|[12:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ac14.hutson">[[#ac14.hutson|ac14 Hutson]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|im sure most people here know that but i know alot of my customers who arent able or dont do that. theres no way to put it under basic sharders or whatever. i mean we have bumpmapping under that
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_27"></span>[[#msg_27|[12:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|what Koli said more or less, the way lighting is handled on bump mapped objects without lighting and shadows enabled is incompatible with apply lighitng to a normal map
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_28"></span>[[#msg_28|[12:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|however, it's worth stating that I'm only speaking about the first release here
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_29"></span>[[#msg_29|[12:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ac14.hutson">[[#ac14.hutson|ac14 Hutson]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Is it possible the settings can be changed to enable "advanced lighting" but remove unlimited local light and projectors that can bog down computers
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_30"></span>[[#msg_30|[12:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|....Geenz... experience has shown that if it's not in the first release, we don't get it
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_31"></span>[[#msg_31|[12:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|we'll see
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_34"></span>[[#msg_34|[12:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and Tiberious, we're talking about something that would be purely viewer-side here, there's no reason it can't be done as a separate contribution
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_35"></span>[[#msg_35|[12:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|but that's a different story!
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_36"></span>[[#msg_36|[12:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ac14.hutson">[[#ac14.hutson|ac14 Hutson]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I mean the more people that can see with with lower settings the better off it will be :p
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_37"></span>[[#msg_37|[12:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|with server-side parts necessary
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_38"></span>[[#msg_38|[12:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|materials definitely should not be enabled for everyone who is running basic shaders, but there is likely a decent middle ground between that and full lighting & shadows.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_40"></span>[[#msg_40|[12:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I do too for some stupid reason
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_41"></span>[[#msg_41|[12:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Strange.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_42"></span>[[#msg_42|[12:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Tiberious: not really, per-pixel lighting can be implemented in the forward renderer without server-side changes, but it's an issue that requires additional thought
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_43"></span>[[#msg_43|[12:09]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|but the sim still needs to know what effects people should see
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_44"></span>[[#msg_44|[12:09]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|as Nyx said, per-pixel lighting probably won't be enabled with basic shaders, but we'll see where things go
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_45"></span>[[#msg_45|[12:10]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|....I'm talking about possibly being able to use the extra texture slots for effects other than just normal/specular maps
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_46"></span>[[#msg_46|[12:10]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and the server is ignorant to what viewer-side settings you're using for rendering
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_47"></span>[[#msg_47|[12:10]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Tiberious, why would the server need to know what settings we are using? Do you mean to decide whether or not to download normals & Specular maps?
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_48"></span>[[#msg_48|[12:10]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|that's a completely separate question Tiberious
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_49"></span>[[#msg_49|[12:11]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fatmasterflash">[[#fatmasterflash|FatMasterFlash]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|HI EVERY1 =)
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_50"></span>[[#msg_50|[12:11]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fatmasterflash">[[#fatmasterflash|FatMasterFlash]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|IS THIS WATERHEAD =)
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_51"></span>[[#msg_51|[12:11]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|This is a mesh group meeting.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_53"></span>[[#msg_53|[12:11]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fatmasterflash">[[#fatmasterflash|FatMasterFlash]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|MESH? =)
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_54"></span>[[#msg_54|[12:12]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Can someone post the agenda link?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_55"></span>[[#msg_55|[12:12]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|well that was fast!
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_56"></span>[[#msg_56|[12:12]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_57"></span>[[#msg_57|[12:12]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|true... but I still think that if we don't get that ability in the first release, we'll never get it
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_58"></span>[[#msg_58|[12:12]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="vir.linden">[[#vir.linden|Bazz Fazz (vir.linden)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_59"></span>[[#msg_59|[12:12]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thank you :)
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_61"></span>[[#msg_61|[12:13]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|more to say that using "extra texture slots" as something other than normal/specular should be a different topic of discussion than which settings normal/specular maps will be enabled for :)
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_62"></span>[[#msg_62|[12:13]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="vir.linden">[[#vir.linden|Bazz Fazz (vir.linden)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/ As the title doesn't really make clear, we talk about all types of content creation here, not just mesh
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_63"></span>[[#msg_63|[12:13]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Plus, ponies.
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_64"></span>[[#msg_64|[12:14]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ok I think we've covered the first topic, moving on?
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_65"></span>[[#msg_65|[12:14]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|next topic: "Materials.... When, where, and how can we test materials? Will materials be at the cost of texture faces? What Channel direction will normal maps use? Any thought of adding AO slot or Shadow Map slot? Will they be required option in uploader or option in edit object features panel? 3DOpifex Resident 11:02, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_66"></span>[[#msg_66|[12:14]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|multiple questions here!
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_67"></span>[[#msg_67|[12:15]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|first question: when it's ready, on the beta grid, and with the appropriate project viewer when it's ready
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_68"></span>[[#msg_68|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Is the ETA in weeks, months, or years?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_69"></span>[[#msg_69|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|No ETA.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_70"></span>[[#msg_70|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|:P
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_72"></span>[[#msg_72|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|second: currently you'll be able to have as many materials as there are selectable faces on a prim (or texture groups on a mesh)
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_73"></span>[[#msg_73|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fabled.magic">[[#fabled.magic|Fabled Magic]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Will there be channels?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_74"></span>[[#msg_74|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|sometime in early 2025, it sounds like
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_75"></span>[[#msg_75|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|"channels"?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_76"></span>[[#msg_76|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I hope that drives the right sort of behavior.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_77"></span>[[#msg_77|[12:16]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fabled.magic">[[#fabled.magic|Fabled Magic]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Texture channels, where you can put more than one texture on a single face- and blend them together
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_79"></span>[[#msg_79|[12:17]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|no
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_80"></span>[[#msg_80|[12:17]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fabled.magic">[[#fabled.magic|Fabled Magic]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|For example you could blend in a normal map- ah ok
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_82"></span>[[#msg_82|[12:18]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|you mean a material for each face?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_85"></span>[[#msg_85|[12:18]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and this applies to normal prims too, right
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_86"></span>[[#msg_86|[12:18]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|think of it as adding normal & specular texture "slots" to each prim "face"
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_87"></span>[[#msg_87|[12:18]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_88"></span>[[#msg_88|[12:18]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fabled.magic">[[#fabled.magic|Fabled Magic]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Perhaps we could have an option to use the SL water on a face?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_89"></span>[[#msg_89|[12:18]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|channel direction that normal maps will use, I assume you mean DirectX style or OpenGL style?
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_90"></span>[[#msg_90|[12:18]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|that's topic 3 Fabled, we'll get to that next
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_91"></span>[[#msg_91|[12:19]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="fabled.magic">[[#fabled.magic|Fabled Magic]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Oops, sorry, I didn't see it ^^
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_92"></span>[[#msg_92|[12:19]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|....I'm awaiting someone causing a crash by literally raining pennies... each with normal-mapped obverse/reverse
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_93"></span>[[#msg_93|[12:19]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(as in, positive Y or negative Y)
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_96"></span>[[#msg_96|[12:20]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|R = tangent space X axis, G = tangent space Y axis, B = tangent space Z axis
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_97"></span>[[#msg_97|[12:20]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|assume OpenGL style coordinates
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_99"></span>[[#msg_99|[12:21]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(which in 3D applications that allow the selection of coordinate systems, it's usually literally labeled "OpenGL Style"
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_100"></span>[[#msg_100|[12:22]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|...I think that's actually a rather legitimate question... what kind of performance impact will multiple normal-mapped objects have?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_101"></span>[[#msg_101|[12:22]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|next: no support for separate ambient occlusion or shadow maps in the first version (though I'd argue that'd be better of as a separate static lighting system entirely)
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_102"></span>[[#msg_102|[12:22]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|under lighting and shadows, they won't have any additional performance impact than existing bumpy or shiny objects do
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_103"></span>[[#msg_103|[12:23]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|even with tons of them?
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_104"></span>[[#msg_104|[12:23]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|more texture data to download / hold in memory of course
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_105"></span>[[#msg_105|[12:23]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I'm thinking a suitably complex one, repeated often enough
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_106"></span>[[#msg_106|[12:23]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Aw, c'mon, we can crash this sucker.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_107"></span>[[#msg_107|[12:23]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|right, aside from the additional texture data, there will be no additional performance impact than existing bumpy and shiny objects
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_108"></span>[[#msg_108|[12:24]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|as for the last part of Opifex's question:
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_110"></span>[[#msg_110|[12:24]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|That's sounds good
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_111"></span>[[#msg_111|[12:24]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|textures will be uploaded separately, and applied to an object in-world as such
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_114"></span>[[#msg_114|[12:25]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yes
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_116"></span>[[#msg_116|[12:25]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="drongle.mcmahon">[[#drongle.mcmahon|Drongle McMahon]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Ordinary prims too, no?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_117"></span>[[#msg_117|[12:26]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yes
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_118"></span>[[#msg_118|[12:26]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I was about to ask that :D
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_120"></span>[[#msg_120|[12:26]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Just not clothing layers or avatar...yes?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_121"></span>[[#msg_121|[12:26]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|unfortunately, yes
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_122"></span>[[#msg_122|[12:26]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(for now, it's a rather complex issue)
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_125"></span>[[#msg_125|[12:27]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|avatars are special types of primitives :)
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_126"></span>[[#msg_126|[12:27]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ones that get rather special treatment as well!
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_127"></span>[[#msg_127|[12:27]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|avatars: the original rigged mesh
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_128"></span>[[#msg_128|[12:27]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|No scales, then?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_129"></span>[[#msg_129|[12:28]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|however, rigged meshes will work with materials
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_130"></span>[[#msg_130|[12:28]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Ah.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_131"></span>[[#msg_131|[12:28]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|right now, even bump doesn't work with them
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_133"></span>[[#msg_133|[12:28]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Good to go ^^
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_134"></span>[[#msg_134|[12:28]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|No problems.
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_135"></span>[[#msg_135|[12:29]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|next topic: "We will see reflective materials like mirrors or realistic water? Voodoo Radek"
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_136"></span>[[#msg_136|[12:30]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|for now, no
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_137"></span>[[#msg_137|[12:30]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Ok
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_138"></span>[[#msg_138|[12:30]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|a lot of it has to do with there's no trivial means to do reflections on objects
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_139"></span>[[#msg_139|[12:30]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|reflection is....expensive.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_140"></span>[[#msg_140|[12:30]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|indeed
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_141"></span>[[#msg_141|[12:30]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|The mythic mirror.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_142"></span>[[#msg_142|[12:30]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and things like screen space reflections are very limited
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_143"></span>[[#msg_143|[12:31]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and require a lot of filtering to smooth out the artifacts
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_144"></span>[[#msg_144|[12:31]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and most places in SL aren't limited enough to do a portal or other indoor-centric system
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_145"></span>[[#msg_145|[12:31]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ac14.hutson">[[#ac14.hutson|ac14 Hutson]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|custom cubemap?
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_146"></span>[[#msg_146|[12:31]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(much less preprocessing required)
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_147"></span>[[#msg_147|[12:31]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|To note, water reflection is only rendered at 512x512 to reduce the performance penalty.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_148"></span>[[#msg_148|[12:31]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="princeseverus.slade">[[#princeseverus.slade|Severus Slade (princeseverus.slade)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/me likes portal systems
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_149"></span>[[#msg_149|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I was thinking cube map as well.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_150"></span>[[#msg_150|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I believe that no matter how many cosmetic improvements will be made to SL it doesn't help as long as SL is infamous for its griefer base, there is a recent wave of hacking, your I.P. address can be easily found out with an exploit of the voice software
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_151"></span>[[#msg_151|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|reflections and refractions are two of the really most costing in computer processing
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_152"></span>[[#msg_152|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Sims can easily be crashed
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_153"></span>[[#msg_153|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|We will be able to use the current water material at least?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_154"></span>[[#msg_154|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|speedything goesin, speedything comesout
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_155"></span>[[#msg_155|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Would be nice in skyboxes
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_156"></span>[[#msg_156|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|LL need to address security issues before anything such as reflections
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_157"></span>[[#msg_157|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|no, there are a number of reasons why the water shaders cannot be used on arbitrary prims.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_158"></span>[[#msg_158|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|O.o
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_159"></span>[[#msg_159|[12:32]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|oh teh noes, my IP address!
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_160"></span>[[#msg_160|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol Geenz
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_161"></span>[[#msg_161|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Alright, perfomance issues then
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_162"></span>[[#msg_162|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Voodoo - that's the primary reason. Would just cost too much.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_163"></span>[[#msg_163|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I understand
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_164"></span>[[#msg_164|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|LL should also be aware of that Welcome Areas / Telehubs such as Ahern, Violet, Waterhead are hot-spots for griefers
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_165"></span>[[#msg_165|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|LifeInBeta - wrong user group.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_166"></span>[[#msg_166|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ash.qin">[[#ash.qin|Ash Weststar (ash.qin)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Can't tell if LifeInBeta is trolling.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_167"></span>[[#msg_167|[12:33]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Yet to see a Linden drop by in those areas is a very rare thing
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_168"></span>[[#msg_168|[12:34]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Perhaps they would rather just not see
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_169"></span>[[#msg_169|[12:34]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="braydon.randt">[[#braydon.randt|Braydon Randt]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|perhaps we dont give a shyte
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_170"></span>[[#msg_170|[12:34]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/me thinks his trolling.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_171"></span>[[#msg_171|[12:34]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|there may be some *limited* ability to reflect nearby objects that are directly in view *at some point*, but there's no guarantee on that, would have to look at the overall performance and the quality
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_172"></span>[[#msg_172|[12:34]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Braydon why are you answering in their name?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_173"></span>[[#msg_173|[12:34]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ac14.hutson">[[#ac14.hutson|ac14 Hutson]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|But really has cubemap been considered at all for reflections?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_174"></span>[[#msg_174|[12:34]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|LifeInBeta: you should ask that in the respective Linden offce
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_175"></span>[[#msg_175|[12:35]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|we're focused mainly on content creation issues at this meeting, but please do feel free to report any issues of griefing or security issues in the appropriate channels (abuse reports, security project in jira, respectively)
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_176"></span>[[#msg_176|[12:35]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|What's the appropriate office?
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_177"></span>[[#msg_177|[12:35]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|next topic: "Rigged Mesh Priorities for mesh deformer, to deform one another? Possible? Any thoughts of adding this? 3DOpifex Resident 12:05, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_178"></span>[[#msg_178|[12:35]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|LL can't handle all reports, this is a fact.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_179"></span>[[#msg_179|[12:35]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="world.undercroft">[[#world.undercroft|World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I would like to know where that appropriate office is as well...or how many abuse reports for a copybotter does it take to get it banned
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_180"></span>[[#msg_180|[12:35]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="braydon.randt">[[#braydon.randt|Braydon Randt]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|because ... ive been here since mainland was filled with gambelling , camping sex sex sex ..... SL is becomming facebook , and i honestly dont give a crap about griefers in what ever place , because you can get hacked shopping online , or facebook or just getitng your mail, the security holes arnt that big , and inr eality .... its such a small issue on a MASSIVE platform ..
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_182"></span>[[#msg_182|[12:36]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Yes.
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_183"></span>[[#msg_183|[12:36]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|could you explain what specifically you want to do with multiple deformers?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_184"></span>[[#msg_184|[12:37]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Priorities for teh deformer? i though you were able to enable o disable it in each rigged mesh you upload
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_186"></span>[[#msg_186|[12:38]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="typhaon.nishi">[[#typhaon.nishi|Typhaon Nishi]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|having one like a collision object?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_188"></span>[[#msg_188|[12:38]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|They talked about having an offset amount to handle that.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_189"></span>[[#msg_189|[12:38]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|The idea of layered deformation has been brought up. A shirt feforming a jacket.... Karl says that is beyond the scope of current work.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_191"></span>[[#msg_191|[12:38]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Alright, I'll try to figure out what the relevant office is on my own
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_192"></span>[[#msg_192|[12:39]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I don't think they planned to include it on the first release though.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_193"></span>[[#msg_193|[12:39]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="typhaon.nishi">[[#typhaon.nishi|Typhaon Nishi]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yeah it would be nice to have some some of standard so that creations from different designers could fit in unison
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_195"></span>[[#msg_195|[12:39]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Perhaps I'll have to look for "Linden" in the people search and find the Linden in charge of security issues and then be told to file an AR for which I don't find a category and which will not be read
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_196"></span>[[#msg_196|[12:39]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="typhaon.nishi">[[#typhaon.nishi|Typhaon Nishi]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|so that one shirt from one place could fit over jeans from another
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_197"></span>[[#msg_197|[12:39]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="typhaon.nishi">[[#typhaon.nishi|Typhaon Nishi]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|for example
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_198"></span>[[#msg_198|[12:39]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|...yeah. Is for sure trolling
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_199"></span>[[#msg_199|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Trolling?
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_201"></span>[[#msg_201|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|its a bit different than the deformer topic, if you're talking about layering and giving priorities to the joint offsets themselves
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_202"></span>[[#msg_202|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|he is a newb, he doesn`t understand
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_203"></span>[[#msg_203|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Oh quit your whining the lot of you, you divert much more off topic by pointless responses to me
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_205"></span>[[#msg_205|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|but an interesting topic!
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_206"></span>[[#msg_206|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|oh... yes... joint offsetting does NOT play nice with itself
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_208"></span>[[#msg_208|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="xen.zelnik">[[#xen.zelnik|„Ñ®&#8710;&#8719;ÃµÃ°Œ&#8721; (xen.zelnik)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/me just mutes "Life"
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_209"></span>[[#msg_209|[12:40]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thanks for letting me know you muted me
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_211"></span>[[#msg_211|[12:41]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="lifeinbeta">[[#lifeinbeta|LifeInBeta]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Instead of silently doing it
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_212"></span>[[#msg_212|[12:41]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="typhaon.nishi">[[#typhaon.nishi|Typhaon Nishi]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I do lik ethe idea of a sort of offset
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_214"></span>[[#msg_214|[12:41]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|LifeInBeta: sorry w can`t help you at the moment, we are in a meeting about Mesh making (importing 3D objects to Second Life) and we can`t get out of that topic now
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_215"></span>[[#msg_215|[12:41]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|there's serious issues with wearing multiple meshes with offsets
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_216"></span>[[#msg_216|[12:42]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|...you end up deformed until logout
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_219"></span>[[#msg_219|[12:42]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(most noticable when you take off that mesh)
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_220"></span>[[#msg_220|[12:43]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ahh ok, sorry misinterpreted the question :)
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_222"></span>[[#msg_222|[12:43]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Offsets were already on the table but not in the scope of the original project Qarl took on.
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_223"></span>[[#msg_223|[12:43]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|so you're talking about clothing layering and the like?
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_225"></span>[[#msg_225|[12:43]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yes layering of rigged mesh clothing
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_227"></span>[[#msg_227|[12:44]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|we want gizmos, ppl, gizmos, yehay!
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_228"></span>[[#msg_228|[12:44]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|he is, yeah. what he's talking about is using the deformer to push the vertices of a 'lower' clothing layer in towards the 'bone' to avoid overlaps
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_229"></span>[[#msg_229|[12:44]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|no worries, the terminology is overloaded :)
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_232"></span>[[#msg_232|[12:45]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yes, as a few others stated, its been a popular request, but is out of scope for the first iteration of the deformer work.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_233"></span>[[#msg_233|[12:45]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|gimme da lattices, gimme da lattices
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_234"></span>[[#msg_234|[12:45]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_236"></span>[[#msg_236|[12:46]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|would be nice to have, but technically very complex - would not happen for the initial round of work for the deformer work. Qarl and Oz would know latest on the status of that project.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_237"></span>[[#msg_237|[12:47]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Picturing a nuclear war of customer complaint.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_238"></span>[[#msg_238|[12:47]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|that`s collision detection, again is a very costly processing thing
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_239"></span>[[#msg_239|[12:47]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Must stick to Garanimals.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_241"></span>[[#msg_241|[12:48]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hooo boy
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_242"></span>[[#msg_242|[12:48]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="braydon.randt">[[#braydon.randt|Braydon Randt]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/me pulls out his brain , bounces it a few times cleans it on his lg .. and pops it back in " all these things on the table at the moment , we are running before we even have legs"
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_243"></span>[[#msg_243|[12:48]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|the viewer makes some use of multiple threads currently - extra threads are used for texture decoding and a couple other operations.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_244"></span>[[#msg_244|[12:48]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol, Braydon
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_246"></span>[[#msg_246|[12:48]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|An offset amount you can set would be better than collision, performance-wise, I think.
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_247"></span>[[#msg_247|[12:48]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|one step at a time indeed Braydon :)
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_250"></span>[[#msg_250|[12:49]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|The viewer generally uses only one for rendering and the like.
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_251"></span>[[#msg_251|[12:49]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|most of the heavy lifting is on the main thread, yes.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_252"></span>[[#msg_252|[12:50]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|...so you're better off using one core for SL and the other for other things?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_254"></span>[[#msg_254|[12:50]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|My poor CPU is 89% idle. So am I.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_255"></span>[[#msg_255|[12:50]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/me have the fx aswell
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_256"></span>[[#msg_256|[12:50]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|also Ashasekayi had a question: "I haven't been able to log in to the JIRA system for a week. Who would I contact to fix it? Ashasekayi Ra 12:16, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_258"></span>[[#msg_258|[12:51]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Oh! i had that problem with the JIRA.. somehow its seems resolved to me now
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_259"></span>[[#msg_259|[12:51]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|file a support ticket for that please - they will be able to take a look at your account and put everything back in order
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_260"></span>[[#msg_260|[12:51]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ac14.hutson">[[#ac14.hutson|ac14 Hutson]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|looks like the jira bug claimed another :/
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_261"></span>[[#msg_261|[12:51]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Ok, thanks Nyx
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_263"></span>[[#msg_263|[12:53]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|o.o... that worked quite well
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_265"></span>[[#msg_265|[12:53]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(I can run a YouTube window and SL without stutters after changing affinities)
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_267"></span>[[#msg_267|[12:55]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ash.qin">[[#ash.qin|Ash Weststar (ash.qin)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I am never google image searching 'deformed brains' again.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_268"></span>[[#msg_268|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|LOL
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_269"></span>[[#msg_269|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_271"></span>[[#msg_271|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="xen.zelnik">[[#xen.zelnik|„Ñ®&#8710;&#8719;ÃµÃ°Œ&#8721; (xen.zelnik)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|eww lol
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_272"></span>[[#msg_272|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hehe
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_273"></span>[[#msg_273|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Good times.
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_274"></span>[[#msg_274|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|any other topics for today or are we just about wrapped up?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_275"></span>[[#msg_275|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|a cage deformer for the brain
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_276"></span>[[#msg_276|[12:56]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_277"></span>[[#msg_277|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|well, what`s up that airplanes are all crashing?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_278"></span>[[#msg_278|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Our deformities are driving Nyx away.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_279"></span>[[#msg_279|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|SL Aviation group is in panic
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_280"></span>[[#msg_280|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="kennylex.luckless">[[#kennylex.luckless|Kennylex Luckless]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|The standard avatar mesh get a broken tummy, is that something that need to be fixed before mesh deformers?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_281"></span>[[#msg_281|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Crashing?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_282"></span>[[#msg_282|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="world.undercroft">[[#world.undercroft|World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|why should anyone bother with content creation if constant ar's of copybotting and extortion are going unheeded
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_284"></span>[[#msg_284|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yes, crashing
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_285"></span>[[#msg_285|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|you fly a few sims and you crash
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_286"></span>[[#msg_286|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Yeeey.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_287"></span>[[#msg_287|[12:57]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="world.undercroft">[[#world.undercroft|World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and what is the proper office for complaints
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_288"></span>[[#msg_288|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Oh god
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_289"></span>[[#msg_289|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Oh, Falcon...
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_290"></span>[[#msg_290|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|oh look, LifeInBeta's back with his alt
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_291"></span>[[#msg_291|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="braydon.randt">[[#braydon.randt|Braydon Randt]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|/me tries to catch his brain escaping , so standing on its flesh self .. and holds it still " see ....... "
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_292"></span>[[#msg_292|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="world.undercroft">[[#world.undercroft|World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i am not an alt
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_293"></span>[[#msg_293|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|this pathfinder update was really nasty
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_294"></span>[[#msg_294|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|next topic: "How does the current deformer do its job? (how does it operate) 3DOpifex Resident 12:57, 27 August 2012 (PDT)"
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_295"></span>[[#msg_295|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="world.undercroft">[[#world.undercroft|World Undercroft Sirnah (world.undercroft)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and i waited till the end to ask
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_296"></span>[[#msg_296|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="boyd.doghouse">[[#boyd.doghouse|Boyd Doghouse]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I always crashed them but I figured it was bad piloting
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_297"></span>[[#msg_297|[12:58]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|....very similar phrasing
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_298"></span>[[#msg_298|[12:59]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="xen.zelnik">[[#xen.zelnik|„Ñ®&#8710;&#8719;ÃµÃ°Œ&#8721; (xen.zelnik)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol boyd
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_299"></span>[[#msg_299|[12:59]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Boyd: fly over two sims and crash right after isn`t normal
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_300"></span>[[#msg_300|[12:59]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|the deformer is still under development, so there are still some hiccups, Qarl knows the internals of that system best, he is working with Oz Linden on the integration
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_301"></span>[[#msg_301|[13:00]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="boyd.doghouse">[[#boyd.doghouse|Boyd Doghouse]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I'll have to try it
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_302"></span>[[#msg_302|[13:00]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|The code for one of the Deformer versions is up on Karl's site.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_303"></span>[[#msg_303|[13:00]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Boyd: go to Hollywood airport and talk with people there
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_304"></span>[[#msg_304|[13:00]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="drongle.mcmahon">[[#drongle.mcmahon|Drongle McMahon]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Which will be first? Materials or deformer?
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_305"></span>[[#msg_305|[13:00]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|in a nutshell, you upload a piece of clothing that is sized correctly for a particular avatar build, and it tries to resize the clothing to match the shape of the avatar that you give it to.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_306"></span>[[#msg_306|[13:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|materials, likely
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_307"></span>[[#msg_307|[13:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="boyd.doghouse">[[#boyd.doghouse|Boyd Doghouse]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I'm very curious to see how regular users adjust to the deformer
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_309"></span>[[#msg_309|[13:01]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Boyd: the place is in my profile pics, it`s the airport in SL with more movement
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_311"></span>[[#msg_311|[13:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="beanster.potato">[[#beanster.potato|beanster Potato]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|3DOpifex: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-1716?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_312"></span>[[#msg_312|[13:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="geenz.spad">[[#geenz.spad|Geenzian Scientist (geenz.spad)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|personally I'd hope that the deformer comes first :p
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_313"></span>[[#msg_313|[13:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jira-helper">[[#jira-helper|JIRA-helper]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|[#STORM-1716] Mesh Deformer for tailoring mesh clothing - Second Life Bug Tracker
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_314"></span>[[#msg_314|[13:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="boyd.doghouse">[[#boyd.doghouse|Boyd Doghouse]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I'll go by
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_315"></span>[[#msg_315|[13:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="boyd.doghouse">[[#boyd.doghouse|Boyd Doghouse]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I haven't been there in a while
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_316"></span>[[#msg_316|[13:02]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I think i am out of the time.. but which qwill be the final avatar that the deformer will use? The one you create when you click a new shape? i have ear contradictions lately
+|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_318"></span>[[#msg_318|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|it should adjust to the avatar shape you are wearing at the time.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_320"></span>[[#msg_320|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|3D... then the deformer takes the raw mesh and calc's a distance from the mesh to the Defualt Avatar at each vertex. It then uses the current avatar shape to figure new positions for each vertex in the mesh and applies that deformation.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_321"></span>[[#msg_321|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|No it doesn;t #DO
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_322"></span>[[#msg_322|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|*3DO
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_323"></span>[[#msg_323|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Yeah, but what model you should use to work in the thrid 3d program, lets say blender
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_324"></span>[[#msg_324|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|‚òÜ -&gt;~*~Partyyyyyyyyyy!!!!~*~ &lt;- ‚òÜ
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_325"></span>[[#msg_325|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|&lt;&lt;&lt;~*~* P.A.R.T.Y.A.L.A.R.M. *~*~&gt;&gt;&gt;
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_326"></span>[[#msg_326|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|‚òÜ -&gt;~*~Partyyyyyyyyyy!!!!~*~ &lt;- ‚òÜ
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_327"></span>[[#msg_327|[13:03]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|&lt;&lt;&lt;~*~* P.A.R.T.Y.A.L.A.R.M. *~*~&gt;&gt;&gt;
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_328"></span>[[#msg_328|[13:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Oups
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_329"></span>[[#msg_329|[13:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="sahkolihaa.contepomi">[[#sahkolihaa.contepomi|Koli Melune (sahkolihaa.contepomi)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|o_O
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_330"></span>[[#msg_330|[13:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Third party.. program
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_333"></span>[[#msg_333|[13:04]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|It doesn't take other rigged mesh into account..at all.
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_335"></span>[[#msg_335|[13:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|doing it for a single piece of clothing is much easier than doing it for multiple layers :)
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_337"></span>[[#msg_337|[13:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|YW, Karl is currently looking to see about using diferent begining avatars.... other than the default avatar shape. No word on how that is coming along.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_338"></span>[[#msg_338|[13:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="braydon.randt">[[#braydon.randt|Braydon Randt]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i have an out there idea .... lets get it to resize first
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_339"></span>[[#msg_339|[13:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i think that the rigged mesh clothes deformer should deform only the clothes and keep the AV shape out of it
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_340"></span>[[#msg_340|[13:05]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Ok Nalates, thanks :]
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_341"></span>[[#msg_341|[13:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="braydon.randt">[[#braydon.randt|Braydon Randt]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i appreciate customers being able to resize and vary wardrobes , but .. * chuckles* ...
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_342"></span>[[#msg_342|[13:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|It does only deform the clothing.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_343"></span>[[#msg_343|[13:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|and what would be the standard shape for creating clothes?Ruth?
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_344"></span>[[#msg_344|[13:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Right now, it used the default female or default male.
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_345"></span>[[#msg_345|[13:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|*uses
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_346"></span>[[#msg_346|[13:06]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="typhaon.nishi">[[#typhaon.nishi|Typhaon Nishi]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|which ever shape(s) it is there should be some kind of standard
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_348"></span>[[#msg_348|[13:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i am imagining myself creating a brilliant outfit but fitting in a supermodel shape like ruth
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_349"></span>[[#msg_349|[13:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|JR, Karl's last version of the deformer used the 'Default Shape' if you want way more details on that look at: http://blog.nalates.net/2012/05/20/second-life-mesh-clothes-blender-2-6-setup-2012-tutorial/
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_351"></span>[[#msg_351|[13:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|that¬¥s bot good work that way in RL 3D having a shape like the one of ruth
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_352"></span>[[#msg_352|[13:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|alright, mind if we wrap up here for the week?
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_353"></span>[[#msg_353|[13:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|things can`t come out elegant
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_354"></span>[[#msg_354|[13:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|works for me
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_355"></span>[[#msg_355|[13:07]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="tiberious.neruda">[[#tiberious.neruda|Tiberious Neruda]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yay for -still- having fouled-up UVs thanks to all the extra chest geometry....
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_356"></span>[[#msg_356|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thank you so much Nyx, guys
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_357"></span>[[#msg_357|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="ashasekayi.ra">[[#ashasekayi.ra|Asha (ashasekayi.ra)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thanks for the meeting Nyx
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_359"></span>[[#msg_359|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="voodoo.radek">[[#voodoo.radek|Voodoo Radek]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|For answering me
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_360"></span>[[#msg_360|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nalates.urriah">[[#nalates.urriah|Nal (nalates.urriah)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thx Nyx
+|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_361"></span>[[#msg_361|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="nyx.linden">[[#nyx.linden|Nyx Linden]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|thanks for coming out everyone, see you next week!
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_363"></span>[[#msg_363|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="rusalka.writer">[[#rusalka.writer|Rusalka Writer]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Aloha!
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_364"></span>[[#msg_364|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i understood, Nal, i understood :(
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_365"></span>[[#msg_365|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="yuzuru.jewell">[[#yuzuru.jewell|Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thank you, Nyx.
+|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_366"></span>[[#msg_366|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="jr4201.kruyschek">[[#jr4201.kruyschek|jr (jr4201.kruyschek)]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ty, Nyx
+|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|<span id="msg_367"></span>[[#msg_367|[13:08]]]
+|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|<span title="kennylex.luckless">[[#kennylex.luckless|Kennylex Luckless]]</span>
+|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I need formulate question before
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