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Revision as of 13:10, 5 March 2009 by Which Linden (talk | contribs) (New page: * [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: Hey O Potted One * [11:05] Which Linden: Hi there mr slouchy * [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: jpw gp...)
- [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: Hey O Potted One
- [11:05] Which Linden: Hi there mr slouchy
- [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: jpw gpes tje wpr;d
- [11:05] Which Linden: I should probably get couches that have a more upright AO if I'm going to make fun of my guests :-)
- [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: er... how goes the world?
- [11:05] Which Linden: OK!
- [11:06] Saijanai Kuhn: good.
- [11:06] Which Linden: What's up with you?
- [11:06] Saijanai Kuhn: Eh coming off of a flu so my sleeping schedule's messed up. Trying to learn too much stuff and not enough income
- [11:07] Saijanai Kuhn: but, if I learn iPHone programming properly, thinking of proting pyogp oto objtive c
- [11:08] Which Linden: oh! cool, well, maybe it'd save some effort to use a python packaging program to make an executable out of pyogp?
- [11:08] Saijanai Kuhn: not too much. The only libraries available are the ObjC ones, and most of pyogp is just calling socket libraries anyway
- [11:09] Which Linden: right well and also all the code to parse the messages
- [11:09] Which Linden: and template
- [11:09] Saijanai Kuhn: also, I can add it as a plugin to Colloquy
- [11:09] Which Linden: ha ha that would be hilarious
- [11:09] Saijanai Kuhn: the irc client which has an iphone version
- [11:10] Which Linden: my experience, btw, is the objc is pretty hard, so I wouldn't embark upon that project
- [11:10] Saijanai Kuhn: its the only "real" iphone app I run actually, since you have to have the source code to get it to run on the emulator in teh SDK
- [11:10] Saijanai Kuhn: eh, I've been meaning to learn it for 10 years or so anyway ;-)
- [11:12] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
- [11:12] Saijanai Kuhn: I've learned more OOP and prcedural languages than I want to think about so I'm not afeeared of OBjC
- [11:12] Saijanai Kuhn: C# bothers me more
- [11:13] Which Linden: yeah the thing about objc that bothers me is a) that it's compiled and b) that you often have to do tedious stuff because there's no reflection
- [11:13] Which Linden: like, if you want to make an object serializable you have to make like three functions that each enumerate the type and name of each member
- [11:14] Saijanai Kuhn: well not sure if 2.0 changes hat in any way. There's a fun little thing called f-script which lets you add a smalltalk interpeter to any ObjC app
- [11:15] Which Linden: ha ha cool
- [11:15] Saijanai Kuhn: adds a copy of menus at runtime and lets you inspect and manipulate teh ObjC class hierchy while the app is running
- [11:16] Saijanai Kuhn: couple* of menus at runtime
- [11:17] Which Linden: nice
- [11:17] Saijanai Kuhn: so how is the LLnet transition going
- [11:17] Which Linden: I am not sure.... I think we're going slower now.... no news is good news?
- [11:17] Saijanai Kuhn: I guess
- [11:18] Saijanai Kuhn: better than the monty python credits for version 1.25.xx
- [11:18] Saijanai Kuhn: we have just rolled back the rollback. We have cancelled that and are doing it again. We just cancelled THAT and are doing it again...
- [11:19] Which Linden: "LLNet got bit by a moose"?
- [11:19] Which Linden: Those responsible for cancelling the cancel have been cancelled
- [11:19] Saijanai Kuhn: the people resospible for rolling bqck the rolling restart have just been sacked
- [11:19] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah
- [11:19] Saijanai Kuhn: I think I counted 14 messages like that for 1.25
- [11:20] Saijanai Kuhn: and then they really DID bring out something else
- [11:21] Which Linden: So how do you like my nice new fancy media texture?
- [11:22] Saijanai Kuhn: you mean this grey sign here?
- [11:22] Which Linden: yeah
- [11:22] Which Linden: gotta hit play in your media bar to see it
- [11:22] Saijanai Kuhn: kool
- [11:23] Saijanai Kuhn: wondering if you should only update at spaces instead of each char
- [11:24] Saijanai Kuhn: someone did a drawing board like this. Tracks the mouse in SL, and draws the image on the webpage and updates
- [11:24] Which Linden: I think it's updated at a fixed time interval
- [11:24] Saijanai Kuhn: ah, OK
- [11:25] Which Linden: oh cool, yeah, the mouse tracking would be really a key feature
- [11:25] Which Linden: isn't uv click detection coming in some server update?
- [11:26] Saijanai Kuhn: too slow and clunky though the feedback is only from the webs9de. Guess you could make a hybrid that draws with temp objects then copies it to the web side
- [11:26] Saijanai Kuhn: oh its already here
- [11:27] Saijanai Kuhn: but you have scripts disabled Its 600 buttons on one prim using the new touch tracking
- [11:27] Saijanai Kuhn: gave you 600 buttons one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc.
- [11:27] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 83 On Side : 2
- [11:27] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 73 On Side : 2
- [11:28] Saijanai Kuhn: will track sculptyies the same way
- [11:28] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 95 On Side : 2
- [11:28] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 74 On Side : 2
- [11:28] Which Linden: ha ha nice
- [11:28] Saijanai Kuhn: chnce it to a sculpty
- [11:28] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 36 On Side : 2
- [11:28] Saijanai Kuhn: change* it
- [11:29] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 51 On Side : 0
- [11:29] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 69 On Side : 0
- [11:29] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 54 On Side : 0
- [11:29] Which Linden: very nice
- [11:29] Saijanai Kuhn: definitely many uses for it
- [11:30] Which Linden: yeah totally, saves us from that old paradigm of one-prim-per-button
- [11:30] Which Linden: it's like touchscreen technology but for sl
- [11:30] Saijanai Kuhn: I've seen people use screen textures and make up complete interactive tutorials for the SL interface using it
- [11:30] Saijanai Kuhn: complete with tbs and functional buttons, etc
- [11:31] Saijanai Kuhn: tabs*
- [11:31] Which Linden: and of course you could use it for navigating a web page if necessary
- [11:31] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah
- [11:33] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 41 On Side : 0
- [11:33] Which Linden: well that's good that's finally out!
- [11:33] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah. Next up will be the http-in calls
- [11:33] Which Linden: yeah! looking forward to that
- [11:34] Saijanai Kuhn: I told you I faked a login Agent DOmain on a prim using the http-in calls right?
- [11:35] Which Linden: that will probably have unintended knock-on side effects for a while until we iron it out
- [11:35] Which Linden: sai: yeah, AD on a prim
- [11:35] Which Linden: I remember that
- [11:35] Which Linden: I also recall someone (Was it you?) who had a bot-on-a-prim?
- [11:35] Saijanai Kuhn: Day Oh, I think
- [11:35] Saijanai Kuhn: she was using it to rez map textures inworld for awhile
- [11:36] Saijanai Kuhn: then you and/or Donovan patched the security hole
- [11:37] Saijanai Kuhn: Its been a trip watching the Republican party in teh US self-destuct
- [11:38] Which Linden: it sure has
- [11:38] Saijanai Kuhn: Rush Limbaugh is now head of hte party
- [11:38] Which Linden: you know, people predicted that they would melt down, and I kinda didn't believe it; but now, here we are and there hs is
- [11:38] Saijanai Kuhn: well every 100 years or so I guess parties change their names
- [11:39] Saijanai Kuhn: first there was the Mason party then the Anti-Mason party
- [11:39] Which Linden: really? I thinik there were still democrats and republicans 150 years ago
- [11:39] Saijanai Kuhn: though not sure if masons were an official party
- [11:40] Saijanai Kuhn: but the anti-masons was the first counter-party abou 1800 I think
- [11:40] Which Linden: when you combine a mason and an anti-mason do you get a huge explosion of political energy?
- [11:41] Saijanai Kuhn: the original conspiracy theory, and apparently it was real.
- [11:41] Saijanai Kuhn: seems like. destroyed the rep of hte masons in teh USA for proably 150 years
- [11:42] Saijanai Kuhn: you stil have all those illuminatus conspiracy theories floating around 200 years later
- [11:43] Which Linden: ha ha true
- [11:43] Which Linden: all those fnords
- [11:44] Which Linden: hopefully there will be a real opposition party someday
- [11:44] Saijanai Kuhn: eyah, well, they'll just get taken over is all
- [11:44] Which Linden: by whom, just some random new folks with ideas?
- [11:45] Saijanai Kuhn: there's like a 5-10 yera window when a new party is ful of reformers, than all the old guard switches names
- [11:45] Saijanai Kuhn: was into 3rd party politics back in the day. Intense stuff
- [11:46] Which Linden: like green party stuff or a historical interest?
- [11:46] Saijanai Kuhn: natural law party actually
- [11:46] Saijanai Kuhn: then we merged with the perot faction of hte reform party to fight Pat Buchanan
- [11:46] Saijanai Kuhn: didn't work
- [11:46] Which Linden: never heard of natural law party I'm afraid
- [11:47] Saijanai Kuhn: ran a candidate in 35-45 states in three elections. He never got many votes
- [11:48] Saijanai Kuhn: but the party dissolved after Bush was semi-elected. Turns out that every political party in Florida could be accused of throwing that election cause they all got more voges than the diff between gore and bush
- [11:48] Saijanai Kuhn: more votes*
- [11:48] Which Linden: Meanwhile, in iceland, a nation the size of a city, they have 4 or more political parties
- [11:49] Saijanai Kuhn: Washington warned against political parties but no-one paid any attention to him
- [11:51] Which Linden: Well, a lot of the founding fathers said a lot of things that we didn't listen to, and that worked out
- [11:51] Saijanai Kuhn: or didn't as the case may be ;-)
- [11:51] Which Linden: It's not like they were infallible oracles
- [11:51] Saijanai Kuhn: true
- [11:52] Which Linden: Together they wrote some good stuff but it's hard to say that their individual efforts were quite as long-lived and thoughtful
- [11:52] Which Linden: Like the Beatles
- [11:52] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah. Did you hear there's a Beatles reunion next month?
- [11:52] Saijanai Kuhn: all 2 of them
- [11:53] Leena Pizzaro: hello
- [11:53] Saijanai Kuhn: howdy Leena
- [11:53] Which Linden: Hi leena
- [11:54] Leena Pizzaro: im fine ty
- [11:54] Leena Pizzaro: do i disturb you
- [11:55] Which Linden: Nope we're just chattin'
- [11:55] Which Linden: I didn't have a technical topic for today
- [11:56] Saijanai Kuhn: I'm surprised I'm still awake actually
- [11:56] Saijanai Kuhn: :-/
- [11:56] Which Linden: Been a long week
- [11:56] Which Linden: You should take a nap
- [11:56] Which Linden: Zen fire zee missiles!
- [11:56] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah, was going to if you hadbn't showed up but you did
- [11:57] Saijanai Kuhn: have you seen the chatter on the mmox mailing list? Gotten pretty busy
- [11:58] Which Linden: I can't keep up with that
- [11:58] Which Linden: sooo much traffic
- [11:58] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah. Hoping to have a metanomics type deal to merge the RL meeting with SL, Ope3nSIm and croquet
- [11:58] proserpina Zackerly: holzz
- [11:58] Which Linden: is there like a google groups interface I could use? that might make it easier
- [11:58] Which Linden: hi proserpina
- [11:58] proserpina Zackerly: ???
- [11:58] proserpina Zackerly: holz
- [11:58] proserpina Zackerly: holz
- [11:58] Saijanai Kuhn: not a clue Which, sorry
- [11:59] proserpina Zackerly: ???
- [11:59] Saijanai Kuhn: welcome to Second LIfe prosperpina
- [11:59] Leena Pizzaro: what are you chatting about
- [12:00] Saijanai Kuhn: ah, which is one of hte engineer/programmers for Second LIfe and he often holds technical talks. Today, we were just chatting though
- [12:00] Leena Pizzaro: i distube you
- [12:00] Which Linden: I hang out here from 11-12 on thursdays
- [12:01] Saijanai Kuhn: its a public meeting, Leena. Anyone is welcome
- [12:01] Which Linden: Yeah, feel free to come around to the inside of this bamboo
- [12:01] Saijanai Kuhn: I keep hearing Japanese announcements in the background but can't quite understand them
- [12:02] Saijanai Kuhn: of course, I might not anyway
- [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: gave you New Library, Info International (124, 239, 34).
- [12:03] Which Linden: I have been wondering about those sounds
- [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: that's a landmark to the info island library help desk I give it to all the newbies
- [12:03] Which Linden: Very nice
- [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: it sounds like a Toko subway or airport or soemthing
- [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: Tokyo
- [12:04] Saijanai Kuhn: mgikht be a recording from an anime
- [12:04] Which Linden: I think the sounds are coming from people testing gestures on OI public
- [12:04] Leena Pizzaro: whats there at the library
- [12:04] Saijanai Kuhn: hopefuly a librarian who is able to answer questions
- [12:04] Leena Pizzaro: :)
- [12:04] Saijanai Kuhn: plus bunches of exhibits and museums and so on
- [12:05] Which Linden: hm maybe the sounds are coming from this black edifice next door
- [12:05] Leena Pizzaro: why cant i see you which?
- [12:05] Leena Pizzaro: W
- [12:05] Saijanai Kuhn: he's the potted plant
- [12:06] Leena Pizzaro: oh
- [12:06] Saijanai Kuhn: ;-)
- [12:06] Which Linden: I blend in well
- [12:06] Which Linden: ok well I should go-- nice hanging with you sai
- [12:06] Which Linden: nice to meet you llena
- [12:06] Leena Pizzaro: i just saw a talking Linden and he is a potted plant
- [12:06] Which Linden: *leena
- [12:06] Saijanai Kuhn: Take care Which. Nice meeting you leena
- [12:07] Leena Pizzaro: i dissappointed
- [12:07] Which Linden: :-)
- [12:07] Leena Pizzaro: :)