User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2008-10-30

[2008/10/30 11:59] Torley Linden: OH FRIENDLY GREETINGS
[2008/10/30 11:59] Holocluck Henly: heya torley!
[2008/10/30 11:59] Torley Linden: hi hi
[2008/10/30 11:59] Jaymes Kjeller: Hello Torley!
[2008/10/30 11:59] Torley Linden: all rezzing in for me now...
[2008/10/30 11:59] Holocluck Henly shows off the av he made
[2008/10/30 11:59] Al Sonic: Regardless, cats have this odd lack of any sweet taste buds.
[2008/10/30 11:59] Kerry Giha: Hello Torley
[2008/10/30 11:59] Torley Linden: hey Holocluck, Jaymes, Master, Squirrel, Kerry, Suae, Al, all...
[2008/10/30 11:59] Torley Linden: i didn't know cats lacked sweet taste buds.
[2008/10/30 12:00] Torley Linden: learn something new every day.
[2008/10/30 12:00] Holocluck Henly: well SL cats maybe
[2008/10/30 12:00] Holocluck Henly: this oine likes watermelon apparently
[2008/10/30 12:00] Torley Linden: Master, that's really awesome armor, it's like... you're wearing a castle... with little people (they've yet to rez) on it!
[2008/10/30 12:00] Torley Linden: haha this kitten on the table has bichromaticism
[2008/10/30 12:00] Torley Linden: 2 eyes, 2 different colors... and all that good stuff!
[2008/10/30 12:00] Holocluck Henly: yeah but isnt that normal?
[2008/10/30 12:01] Torley Linden: i think that's kind of rare, even in cats
[2008/10/30 12:01] Torley Linden: David Bowie has 2 eye colors
[2008/10/30 12:01] Torley Linden: but i don't think that's from birth, it's from being punched in the face
[2008/10/30 12:01] Torley Linden: hey Rian :)
[2008/10/30 12:01] Holocluck Henly: so do huskies
[2008/10/30 12:01] Master Nestler: thanx torley
[2008/10/30 12:01] Kerry Giha: hehe
[2008/10/30 12:01] Rian Hirvi: hello :D
[2008/10/30 12:01] Torley Linden: i've seen huskies that did, but didn't know it was "the norm"
[2008/10/30 12:01] Al Sonic: Looks conspicuously inspired by Sushi ^_^
[2008/10/30 12:02] Torley Linden: Riann, that's really elegant clothes
[2008/10/30 12:02] Torley Linden: Al, yes, sure is, cept Sushi has a pink collar and two yellow eyes
[2008/10/30 12:02] Torley Linden: Sushi (my pet cat) is a lot of fun
[2008/10/30 12:02] Rian Hirvi: thank you :D
[2008/10/30 12:02] Al Sonic: Oh good to hear it.
[2008/10/30 12:02] Torley Linden: he likes to jump up to bump my fist when i wave it above his head
[2008/10/30 12:02] Torley Linden: he's my homeboy
[2008/10/30 12:02] Al Sonic: XD
[2008/10/30 12:02] Torley Linden: i'm like, "HIT IT... AIIIIGHT"
[2008/10/30 12:03] Al Sonic: GOOD kitty *laugh*
[2008/10/30 12:03] Holocluck Henly: heh i thought red was right, lil kitty
[2008/10/30 12:03] Holocluck Henly hears sushi say well it's your right.
[2008/10/30 12:03] Holocluck Henly: ah ok
[2008/10/30 12:03] Torley Linden: have all of you seen the new video tutorial player @ http://secondlife.com/video yet? :)
[2008/10/30 12:03] Holocluck Henly nods
[2008/10/30 12:03] Holocluck Henly: like the search feature
[2008/10/30 12:04] Torley Linden: i'm so happy it got search at last, i'm going to move on to the next round of videos soon
[2008/10/30 12:04] Holocluck Henly: sent friends extremely new to SL except for chatting. one wants to customize their av. you've saved them
[2008/10/30 12:04] Torley Linden: if any of you want the tech specs behind how we did it, that's documented @ https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Vodpod
[2008/10/30 12:04] Torley Linden: thanks Holocluck, great to know
[2008/10/30 12:04] Al Sonic: Showcase. Great place!
[2008/10/30 12:04] Holocluck Henly: i cant seem to get wegame to work. not sure why
[2008/10/30 12:04] Kerry Giha: What did you have in mind for the next round of videos?
[2008/10/30 12:04] Rian Hirvi: send one today to someone who didnt have a clue what lindens were
[2008/10/30 12:04] Rian Hirvi: lol
[2008/10/30 12:04] Jaymes Kjeller: I still need to have a look at that, but I'm in my linux partition, not my Windows one.
[2008/10/30 12:04] Torley Linden: hmmm Holocluck, did you have any luck with Xfire?
[2008/10/30 12:04] Holocluck Henly: it doesnt give me the green square
[2008/10/30 12:04] Torley Linden: haha Rian, yes, it's alwayas good to explain that!
[2008/10/30 12:04] Holocluck Henly: Xfire? not sure?
[2008/10/30 12:05] Rian Hirvi: haha yes
[2008/10/30 12:05] Torley Linden: Xfire does similar things to WeGame, i've found it's even easier...
[2008/10/30 12:05] Rian Hirvi: their the people that ban you
[2008/10/30 12:05] Rian Hirvi: hahaha
[2008/10/30 12:05] Torley Linden: i'm always relentless for new tools
[2008/10/30 12:05] Holocluck Henly: oh i didnt know
[2008/10/30 12:05] Torley Linden: that makes Lindens sound like the boogeymen, Rian...
[2008/10/30 12:05] Rian Hirvi: i know :D
[2008/10/30 12:05] Torley Linden: "we come up from under your bed... and then... we BAN YOU"
[2008/10/30 12:05] Rian Hirvi: and they ahve bears :D
[2008/10/30 12:05] Rian Hirvi: can i have yours :D
[2008/10/30 12:05] Torley Linden: sure Rian! glad you asked!
[2008/10/30 12:05] Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^) Invisible rezzing collection of prims and avatars! (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:05] Tomm Olifone: Torley: for carrying around some openspace protest signs, you mean? :P
[2008/10/30 12:05] Holocluck Henly: i was a bit disappointed there was no intuitive way to cut between inworld sound and music for the same video
[2008/10/30 12:05] Holocluck Henly: in movie maker
[2008/10/30 12:06] Rian Hirvi accepted your inventory offer.
[2008/10/30 12:06] Rian Hirvi accepted your inventory offer.
[2008/10/30 12:06] Torley Linden: i haven't banned anyone in a long time
[2008/10/30 12:06] Rian Hirvi: thank you !
[2008/10/30 12:06] Rian Hirvi: haha
[2008/10/30 12:06] Torley Linden: that used to be more of my job duties but then we got a dedicated Governance Team
[2008/10/30 12:06] Holocluck Henly rolls eyes is that gonna infiltrate this hour too?
[2008/10/30 12:06] Torley Linden: i have kicked some jerks off of this island
[2008/10/30 12:06] Rian Hirvi: haha
[2008/10/30 12:06] Al Sonic watches the video, and laughs at the recursive video-in-video view.
[2008/10/30 12:06] Torley Linden: but i am a proponent of creative chaos as long as it's not making someone have a nervous breakdown
[2008/10/30 12:06] Torley Linden: haha Al i cracked up at that later, noticing such a thing :)
[2008/10/30 12:06] Tomm Olifone: Well, since we were taking about suprise bans, holo, i figured it was relevant
[2008/10/30 12:06] Rian Hirvi: well what they say if you want to make a change, start with yourselve :P go ban it :D
[2008/10/30 12:06] Holocluck Henly: i wanted to see jack's place but i wonder if he even got in himself. i like entertainment when i am on vacation
[2008/10/30 12:07] Torley Linden: oh i know he had an inworld discussion yesterday
[2008/10/30 12:07] Holocluck Henly: ahh
[2008/10/30 12:07] Torley Linden: i remember stories of the very first inworld protests
[2008/10/30 12:07] Torley Linden: using Second Life's content creation tools to make signs and pitchforks and torches to protest unto itself -- that's highly unique here
[2008/10/30 12:07] Rian Hirvi: haha
[2008/10/30 12:08] Holocluck Henly: i got the impression that every jack linden hour was a protest. or does he just time announcements shortly before his day?
[2008/10/30 12:08] Torley Linden: i don't know!
[2008/10/30 12:08] Holocluck Henly: oh you know you people gave them the torches over the past yr :P
[2008/10/30 12:08] Jaymes Kjeller: I feel that protests damage the grid, especially when there are more diplomatic ways to handle it.
[2008/10/30 12:08] Torley Linden: what do you think would be a better way, Jaymes?
[2008/10/30 12:08] Holocluck Henly: there's certainly enough feedback in the forum
[2008/10/30 12:08] Rian Hirvi: lol
[2008/10/30 12:08] Holocluck Henly: thats better imho
[2008/10/30 12:09] Holocluck Henly: the powers that be certainly dont overlook those
[2008/10/30 12:09] Rian Hirvi: and protest groups are starting up
[2008/10/30 12:09] Imnotgoing Sideways: One thing I noticed.. Of these protest signs... They were all uploaded textures... There's L$10 per design toward LL right there. (^_^)y
[2008/10/30 12:09] Rian Hirvi: or have started up
[2008/10/30 12:09] Rian Hirvi: like s.o.s.
[2008/10/30 12:09] Torley Linden: very observant, Imny.
[2008/10/30 12:09] Rian Hirvi: save open space
[2008/10/30 12:09] Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
[2008/10/30 12:09] Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah, using the forum, and responding calmly seems to be a better way of handling it. It's like when something goes wrong in a transaction.
[2008/10/30 12:09] Torley Linden: part of an online society... every time there's a big movement like this, people organizing the inworld tools -- like groups to get the word out
[2008/10/30 12:10] Imnotgoing Sideways: I like Desmonds thread on the forum... He's really level headed about it. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:10] Tomm Olifone: Part of the attraction of second life is that people can replicate almost every aspect of their real life. And that includes protesting against dictatorial governments making flawed decisions :P
[2008/10/30 12:10] Holocluck Henly: so if people used them as oceans and simple grasslands or forests between active sims, this wouldnt have ever happened right?
[2008/10/30 12:10] Jaymes Kjeller: I think so, Holocluck.
[2008/10/30 12:10] Imnotgoing Sideways: Basically. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:10] Holocluck Henly: i like what the lindens have been doing recently with their open spaces
[2008/10/30 12:10] Torley Linden: alas, i can't speculate about that because there are so many what-if variables. it's hard to resist thinking of what might have been.
[2008/10/30 12:11] Holocluck Henly: i am collecting various mole manifestations in picasaweb
[2008/10/30 12:11] Torley Linden: i've never seen Desmond not being level headed :)
[2008/10/30 12:11] Imnotgoing Sideways: But... Now the sims have to get upgraded because of the over-use, and monies have to be recouped. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:11] Holocluck Henly: well torley you know infinite possibilities - they all happened
[2008/10/30 12:11] Imnotgoing Sideways: Truly. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:11] Tomm Olifone: they're not being upgraded.
[2008/10/30 12:11] Tomm Olifone: Well, some to class five.. but... hardly an upgrade
[2008/10/30 12:11] Torley Linden: Holocluck, my love of time travel and parallel universes would tell me that. ;D
[2008/10/30 12:11] Imnotgoing Sideways: All prior class 4 sims are going class 5. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:11] Holocluck Henly chuckles
[2008/10/30 12:11] Imnotgoing Sideways: =^-^=
[2008/10/30 12:12] Imnotgoing Sideways: OMG! I actually have a reasonable frame rate today! XD
[2008/10/30 12:12] Torley Linden: oh i am glad!
[2008/10/30 12:12] Holocluck Henly: er?
[2008/10/30 12:12] Torley Linden: i was filling in some Graphics Cards info earlier today... in part because of the confusion surrounding how much good ones actually cost
[2008/10/30 12:12] Torley Linden: @ https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Graphics_cards
[2008/10/30 12:13] Tomm Olifone is getting a GeFore 280 GTX soon... my nipples are dribbling with excitement
[2008/10/30 12:13] Rian Hirvi: hahaha
[2008/10/30 12:13] Imnotgoing Sideways: Wah.. Truly... My good box is running on a pair of $80 MSI cards that easily do 20fps on ultra. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:13] Holocluck Henly: all those woulda couldas with del inspiron
[2008/10/30 12:13] Holocluck Henly: eww thanks for sharing
[2008/10/30 12:13] Tomm Olifone: :P
[2008/10/30 12:13] Holocluck Henly: shall I get a pail?
[2008/10/30 12:13] Rian Hirvi: send me a snapshot of your dribbling nipples :D
[2008/10/30 12:14] Rian Hirvi: erm
[2008/10/30 12:14] Rian Hirvi: thats wrong isnt it?
[2008/10/30 12:14] Rian Hirvi: hahaha
[2008/10/30 12:14] Imnotgoing Sideways: I'm just waiiiiiting for the shadow client FL.. Or SOMETHING... That way the community can get an idea of what cards to get next... THEN I upgrade. (^_^)y
[2008/10/30 12:14] Master Nestler: im gettin a new PC soon
[2008/10/30 12:14] Holocluck Henly thinks - tact + multicultural mixed company = hmmm maybe
[2008/10/30 12:14] Torley Linden: hahahaahah
[2008/10/30 12:15] Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
[2008/10/30 12:15] Torley Linden: "nipples are dribbling", omg...
[2008/10/30 12:15] Torley Linden: that's the FIRST TIME i've heard that
[2008/10/30 12:15] Imnotgoing Sideways: オ～マオ～ガ～(O,O)
[2008/10/30 12:15] Torley Linden: Imny, there are some Resident-compiled shadow clients out there. have you seen those?
[2008/10/30 12:15] Tomm Olifone: Torley, i've just added some UK stores to that wiki
[2008/10/30 12:15] Imnotgoing Sideways: Yeah.. Tinkered with each one. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:15] Holocluck Henly: well since our trip to the hawthorne melody farm outside chicago with a daycamp when i was a kid
[2008/10/30 12:15] Imnotgoing Sideways: They don't exactly like my 8600 GT cards. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:16] Siann Beck: Sorry.
[2008/10/30 12:16] Holocluck Henly: thanks for the push
[2008/10/30 12:16] Imnotgoing Sideways: I know you used 8800... But... As time goes by, who knows what will be best? (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:17] Torley Linden: yes, right now, the 8800GT is at a bargain sweet spot and can be found @ US$100... it can run Ultra and shadows etc. -- everything SL has to offer presently (and experimentally)
[2008/10/30 12:17] Holocluck Henly: so torley - topic?
[2008/10/30 12:17] Jaymes Kjeller: Something that is completely tangendal, I've managed to make my CC90 video, but I feel it wasn't as good as I could make it.
[2008/10/30 12:17] Holocluck Henly: ah
[2008/10/30 12:17] Torley Linden: there's never a particular topic here, i'm afraid. or not afraid, but it sounded like a good idea at the time.
[2008/10/30 12:17] Holocluck Henly: ah
[2008/10/30 12:17] Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
[2008/10/30 12:17] Holocluck Henly: and everyone says how bad nvidia is to Sl
[2008/10/30 12:17] Holocluck Henly: not that its bothered me
[2008/10/30 12:17] Tomm Olifone: Holo: That's rubbish...
[2008/10/30 12:17] Imnotgoing Sideways: Eh? (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:17] Holocluck Henly: i dont have a laptop :P
[2008/10/30 12:17] Torley Linden: oh Tomm! thanks for adding to the Graphics Card page!
[2008/10/30 12:18] Torley Linden: i was JUST looking for UK resources
[2008/10/30 12:18] Imnotgoing Sideways: Nvidia and Second Life™ are almost an optimal match, except for that darned clothing bug with the latest driver. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:18] Torley Linden: but didn't know what they were -- your expertise is appreciated
[2008/10/30 12:18] Torley Linden: *claps with my big green claws*
[2008/10/30 12:18] Imnotgoing Sideways: Lawl ^-^
[2008/10/30 12:18] Holocluck Henly: so this other video encoder thing?
[2008/10/30 12:18] Torley Linden: oh i hate that one, Imny, that's such a pain for so many
[2008/10/30 12:18] Tomm Olifone: ATI cards suffer a great deal more issues with second life, with the exception that currently there is an issue with Palletised Rendering and the latest viewer in conjunction with the newest nvidia drivers... (black clothing yay!)
[2008/10/30 12:19] Holocluck Henly: is it also associated with a site which hosts machinima?
[2008/10/30 12:19] Torley Linden: i thought my avatar (my old Torley one with mesh hair) was ruined... but more recently i think ATI has been better. i can't say that for sure without my own firsthand experiences, tho...
[2008/10/30 12:19] Torley Linden: Holocluck, yes it is.
[2008/10/30 12:19] Torley Linden: http://xfire.com
[2008/10/30 12:19] Imnotgoing Sideways: Yeah... I "discovered" it when I found one of my undershirts was just a black slider job. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:19] Torley Linden: XFire is 3rd-party, but they have about 1,000 Residents on there.
[2008/10/30 12:19] Imnotgoing Sideways eeps. (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:19] Torley Linden: and by the way, Xfire is also the easiest way i've found so far to broadcast your viewer LIVE, so if you want to try that out (Windows only, alas) i'd encourage trying it out.
[2008/10/30 12:20] Holocluck Henly: so tomm and torley - these shadows under people and objects? what makes them. torley they enhance those shots of yours theyre amazing
[2008/10/30 12:20] Holocluck Henly: the shots i mean
[2008/10/30 12:20] Torley Linden: basically, Xfire is a client that detects what games you're playing, including virtual worlds like Second Life. and there's privacy settings. it also has a free movie recorder AND live broadcast.
[2008/10/30 12:20] Imnotgoing Sideways: Woah! (O_O)
[2008/10/30 12:20] Imnotgoing Sideways: =^-^=
[2008/10/30 12:20] Holocluck Henly: heh cooool
[2008/10/30 12:20] Tomm Olifone: Holo, do you mean in the shadow draft? the deferred rendering test?
[2008/10/30 12:20] Holocluck Henly: so you can host The Torley Show live
[2008/10/30 12:21] Torley Linden: Holocluck, those are part of the shadow-draft mainly being worked on by Runitai Linden. i use internal versions, but haven't actually tried it in the last few weeks... i've moved on to other experimental features which i can't talk about, but suffice to say, they're badass.
[2008/10/30 12:21] Holocluck Henly: Tomm I dont know
[2008/10/30 12:21] Torley Linden: Holocluck, technically yes. there's a 5-second latency and that's pretty good.
[2008/10/30 12:21] Imnotgoing Sideways: First look *begs*!!!! (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:21] Holocluck Henly: 5ec isnt bad for virtual broadcasting
[2008/10/30 12:21] Tomm Olifone: What format does it broadcast in, torley?
[2008/10/30 12:21] Holocluck Henly: ie can we stream it on a screen inworld
[2008/10/30 12:21] Holocluck Henly drools
[2008/10/30 12:21] Torley Linden: Tomm, it uses Dyyno streaming tech, and i'm not sure. it has a browser plugin, but no, it's not QuickTime.
[2008/10/30 12:22] Holocluck Henly whimpers
[2008/10/30 12:22] Holocluck Henly: now that would have been nice
[2008/10/30 12:22] Torley Linden: http://torley.com/xfire-best-free-game-video-recorder-yet
[2008/10/30 12:22] Torley Linden: that's just one avatar's opinion
[2008/10/30 12:22] Torley Linden: but it's a substantial leap :)
[2008/10/30 12:22] Holocluck Henly: how old is that blog?
[2008/10/30 12:22] Torley Linden: that blog post is a few weeks old
[2008/10/30 12:22] Torley Linden: it's pretty FRESSSSSH
[2008/10/30 12:22] Holocluck Henly: ahh hm sorry i missed it
[2008/10/30 12:22] Rian Hirvi: yeah we all blame you
[2008/10/30 12:23] Tomm Olifone: Torley, do you use fraps? Do you know if xfire's performance is better or worse?
[2008/10/30 12:23] Imnotgoing Sideways: Lawl ^-^
[2008/10/30 12:23] blogHUD Messenger: Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/26756
[2008/10/30 12:23] Torley Linden: Tomm, i've heard a few reports like Patchouli Woollahra's, which mentioned Xfire uses more resources
[2008/10/30 12:24] Holocluck Henly: i've dabbled in fraps in toontown. needed fullscreen mode. great quality but a space hog.
[2008/10/30 12:24] Torley Linden: in actual usage on my Q6600-based system, i've not noticed a difference
[2008/10/30 12:24] Torley Linden: and Xfire's codec outputs smaller-sized movies
[2008/10/30 12:24] Tomm Olifone: Ah
[2008/10/30 12:24] Holocluck Henly: it didnt lag me like hypercam though
[2008/10/30 12:24] Tomm Olifone: no good for me then.. i'm an HD whore
[2008/10/30 12:24] Torley Linden: i would recommend trying it out firsthand
[2008/10/30 12:24] Torley Linden: because i recorded at 1920x1174 with Xfire and i was fine :)
[2008/10/30 12:25] Tomm Olifone: hmm ok :)
[2008/10/30 12:25] Imnotgoing Sideways: Nice. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:25] Torley Linden: Xfire does seem to be pretty optimized because of all the first-person shooter people using their client
[2008/10/30 12:25] Holocluck Henly: dont think it matters much on youtube. the quality of the default videos are terrible. how about xfire versus wegame in site playback
[2008/10/30 12:25] Torley Linden: and for them, they insist on 60 FPS minimum capture!
[2008/10/30 12:25] Imnotgoing Sideways: True... Youtube compression is a bit extreme. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:25] Tomm Olifone: i miss DivX Stage6 :(
[2008/10/30 12:25] Imnotgoing Sideways eeps. (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:25] Torley Linden: Xfire's video quality is better than WeGame from what i've seen -- and quicker to upload.
[2008/10/30 12:25] Holocluck Henly: heh
[2008/10/30 12:25] Torley Linden: YouTube compression sux for the most part, the "high-quality" mode is unreliable too
[2008/10/30 12:25] Imnotgoing Sideways: 60? Frigg'n Anime is drawn at 15fps. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:26] Torley Linden: for best online Flash video in general, i'd say go with Vimeo HD or blip.tv
[2008/10/30 12:26] Jaymes Kjeller: Well, I tend to favor capturing video using Fraps, then compressing it in Xvid.
[2008/10/30 12:26] Holocluck Henly: eh its not bad. but i think youtube's quality worsened now that they offer a better quality to view
[2008/10/30 12:26] Holocluck Henly: myspace video was pretty good to me
[2008/10/30 12:26] Torley Linden: Jaymes, something similar i do: when i need to record UI and highlight elements, i use Camtasia Studio and capture direct to DivX...
[2008/10/30 12:26] Torley Linden: but Xfire's biggest strengths are SPONTANEITY
[2008/10/30 12:27] Torley Linden: it can record and upload a video quicker than any other path i've seen
[2008/10/30 12:27] Imnotgoing Sideways: Sometimes, with Youtube, I find teh mp4 downloads to be better than what's streamed to the player page. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:27] Torley Linden: yes Imny, those would be the "high-quality" ones, and the links which are compatible with playing inworld
[2008/10/30 12:27] Imnotgoing Sideways kicks the chatlag! (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:27] Torley Linden: http://youtubemp4.com can help determine whether a video has a high-qual link
[2008/10/30 12:27] Imnotgoing Sideways: =^-^=
[2008/10/30 12:28] Imnotgoing Sideways: Oooh. (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:28] Torley Linden: and then that link can be used to play inworld :)
[2008/10/30 12:28] Holocluck Henly: one of my favorite toontown machinimas is not available for download
[2008/10/30 12:28] Tomm Olifone: I need to go guys.. my other half hollers! Take care all! :)
[2008/10/30 12:28] Torley Linden: YouTube HAS had some encoding bugs in the past months
[2008/10/30 12:28] Holocluck Henly: later tomm
[2008/10/30 12:28] Torley Linden: they've had stair-stepped aliasing nastiness... *almost gets angry*
[2008/10/30 12:28] Torley Linden: ;)
[2008/10/30 12:28] Torley Linden: take care Tomm!
[2008/10/30 12:28] Imnotgoing Sideways: Lawl ^-^
[2008/10/30 12:28] Holocluck Henly: you saying those are static urls in youtubemp4?
[2008/10/30 12:28] Tomm Olifone: Oh, but before i go, speaking of youtube.. anyone who hasn't seen it, look up "watch the worlds" by robbie dingo :)
[2008/10/30 12:29] Imnotgoing Sideways eeps. (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:29] Torley Linden: well, they're redirectors Holocluck, but they're smart enough to dynamically redirect so the youtubemp4 url looks the same.
[2008/10/30 12:29] Imnotgoing Sideways: Noes. (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:29] Torley Linden: yes Tomm, that's a perennial cultural classic. :)
[2008/10/30 12:29] Siann Beck: I'll second that, Tomm -- it's awesome.
[2008/10/30 12:29] Torley Linden: such a beautiful, inspirational movie.
[2008/10/30 12:29] Torley Linden: with there were more like that.
[2008/10/30 12:29] Imnotgoing Sideways: Heh.. Gonna watch now. (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:29] Holocluck Henly: wow i guess i can host another superchicken ep after all LOL
[2008/10/30 12:29] Torley Linden: hahahaha
[2008/10/30 12:30] Holocluck Henly: japanese? torley you know - i only read kana
[2008/10/30 12:30] Torley Linden: Holocluck, oh, it's pretty easy. even if you don't read japanese... just enter the normal YouTube URL...
[2008/10/30 12:30] Holocluck Henly: enough kana hehe
[2008/10/30 12:30] Holocluck Henly: i see LOL
[2008/10/30 12:30] Torley Linden: and click the button to Submit.
[2008/10/30 12:30] Imnotgoing Sideways: Guh.... I still MUST install my IME on this lappie. (T_T)
[2008/10/30 12:31] Torley Linden: i love seeing easier ways to play video in SL...
[2008/10/30 12:31] Holocluck Henly: mmm me like
[2008/10/30 12:31] Holocluck Henly: btw maybe you have advice since you miraculously helped me upload to the unuploadable
[2008/10/30 12:31] Imnotgoing Sideways eeps. (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:31] Torley Linden: has anyone else seen House of Cosbys? rude but hilarious.
[2008/10/30 12:32] Holocluck Henly: my dad and i have the same pc system but i cant see video when i visit their place and go inworld
[2008/10/30 12:32] Holocluck Henly: LOL
[2008/10/30 12:32] Torley Linden: Holocluck, more details please? is there a video URL?
[2008/10/30 12:32] Holocluck Henly: (yes its enabled in prefs)
[2008/10/30 12:32] Holocluck Henly: yes and there is a play button
[2008/10/30 12:32] Imnotgoing Sideways: Is Quicktime nice and updated? (^_^)
[2008/10/30 12:32] Holocluck Henly: and the color of the screen changes but theres no initial freeze i usually get when it buffers at home
[2008/10/30 12:32] Holocluck Henly: it streams the music
[2008/10/30 12:32] Holocluck Henly: not the video
[2008/10/30 12:33] Holocluck Henly: we have th same security software too
[2008/10/30 12:33] Torley Linden: does video just not play at your dad's place inworld? i mean, where *does* it work inworld for both of your computers?
[2008/10/30 12:33] Holocluck Henly: i wonder if he just doesnt have a codec
[2008/10/30 12:33] Imnotgoing Sideways: I get the video freezeups myself... I sometimes have to wait 30 seconds before the video plays. (T_T)
[2008/10/30 12:33] Holocluck Henly: it never works inworld anywhere for him
[2008/10/30 12:33] Imnotgoing Sideways: The whole time, nothing will move. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:33] Holocluck Henly: i never have a problem
[2008/10/30 12:33] Holocluck Henly: at home
[2008/10/30 12:33] Imnotgoing Sideways eeps. (o.o)
[2008/10/30 12:33] Imnotgoing Sideways: Lunch over. (>_<)
[2008/10/30 12:33] Torley Linden: hmmm... yeah it sounds like a clean uninstall and reinstall of QuickTime at the very least should be tried.
[2008/10/30 12:33] Imnotgoing Sideways says Bai Baii!!! (^_^)y
[2008/10/30 12:33] Torley Linden: bai Imny!
[2008/10/30 12:34] Holocluck Henly: i could swear he has quicktime
[2008/10/30 12:34] Holocluck Henly: or... maybe he doesnt?
[2008/10/30 12:34] Holocluck Henly: aha ok
[2008/10/30 12:34] Torley Linden: check to make sure. =)
[2008/10/30 12:34] Holocluck Henly: thanks you ispired me to find an avenue
[2008/10/30 12:34] Holocluck Henly: inspired
[2008/10/30 12:34] Torley Linden: you're welcome, let me know how it goes.
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: whose face is on the floor in the center?
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: that's my face.
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: hahaha.
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: nmow its yours but there was a wiomen
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: woman
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: or various ones...
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: oh that would be one of my avatars.
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: all your avs?
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: ahhh
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: i've had all sorts of avatars. male, female, robot, furry, etc.
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: :)
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: true
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: the breadth and depth of Second Life
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: any favorite?
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: no.
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: they're all part of one big wacky family!
[2008/10/30 12:35] Holocluck Henly: one for each mood? i understand
[2008/10/30 12:35] Torley Linden: some are more attuned to certain moods, yes...
[2008/10/30 12:36] Torley Linden: like with the robot ones, i'm more tempted to make transformer-like sounds
[2008/10/30 12:36] Jaymes Kjeller: I'm sort-of like that, as in having multiple avatars that I can change into whenever I feel like.
[2008/10/30 12:36] Torley Linden: the females are ah, more feminine ^_^
[2008/10/30 12:36] Torley Linden: haha
[2008/10/30 12:36] Torley Linden: yes, exactly!
[2008/10/30 12:36] Torley Linden: it's so easy to do that in SL... a folder for each avatar!
[2008/10/30 12:36] Holocluck Henly: i normally change my clothes. snurky my alt is female but she is her own persona
[2008/10/30 12:37] Torley Linden: some people do have different alt accounts for various avatars, i like to have many avatars on one account tho
[2008/10/30 12:37] Torley Linden: hiya Kalisten :D
[2008/10/30 12:37] Kerry Giha: I do a seperate folder for each outfit + avatar.
[2008/10/30 12:37] Holocluck Henly: hello kalisten welcome :)
[2008/10/30 12:38] Holocluck Henly: i do too but i keep to a persona :)
[2008/10/30 12:38] Holocluck Henly: except this week being halloween
[2008/10/30 12:38] Kalisten VanDornan: Thank you!
[2008/10/30 12:38] Torley Linden: yeah for more humanoid forms i have some clothes-outfit folders, but by far and large, i do the same thing too, Kerry
[2008/10/30 12:38] Kalisten VanDornan tips his hat
[2008/10/30 12:38] Jaymes Kjeller: You know, I may do a picture of all of my avatars, then put it on Flickr.
[2008/10/30 12:38] Torley Linden: i really like elaborate role-playing in here... i remember the first time i came across Second Life hobos
[2008/10/30 12:38] Torley Linden: that's a GREAT idea, Jaymes!
[2008/10/30 12:38] Kerry Giha: hehe
[2008/10/30 12:38] Holocluck Henly: heh ditto re hobos
[2008/10/30 12:38] Holocluck Henly: i never saw a linden PLACE before
[2008/10/30 12:39] Holocluck Henly: except OI and HI of course
[2008/10/30 12:39] Torley Linden: ohhh yes. various Lindens have islands. or you know, the Linden Village in Grasmere.
[2008/10/30 12:39] Torley Linden: and whereabouts.
[2008/10/30 12:39] Holocluck Henly: oh that too
[2008/10/30 12:39] Jaymes Kjeller: I actually change my avatars randomly, which is why every picture on Flickr has a different avatar in it.
[2008/10/30 12:40] Rian Hirvi: i have a stable avie, just to much clothes like all women :D, stable avie makes my avie feel more like me :)
[2008/10/30 12:40] Holocluck Henly: i meant though linden - things? like the ferry, the stopper in the ocean north of hyannisport... that sort of thing
[2008/10/30 12:40] Torley Linden: Jaymes, that's a great way to go about it for variety. i sometimes get very compulsive to change my WindLight settings between each picture.
[2008/10/30 12:40] Torley Linden: it can make being at one place look like so much more.
[2008/10/30 12:40] Torley Linden: oh yes, Holocluck -- i think there's various artifacts around the world too...
[2008/10/30 12:40] Holocluck Henly: bwahaha yes
[2008/10/30 12:41] Torley Linden: there are some parcels on the mainland which are odd Linden-built stuff, like a volcano
[2008/10/30 12:41] Kalisten VanDornan: While I'm here, I just wanted to thank you Torley, for all the great tutorials, videos, and fun you've provided! It sure has helped me in-world. :)
[2008/10/30 12:41] Torley Linden: heya Petronilla! :)
[2008/10/30 12:41] Holocluck Henly: i snoop underwater a lot
[2008/10/30 12:41] Petronilla Paperdoll: hello Torley :)
[2008/10/30 12:41] Torley Linden: oh thank you so much Kalisten, i'm so glad to hear that... i wouldn't know if you didn't tell me :D so i appreciate you sharing
[2008/10/30 12:41] Petronilla Paperdoll: I come directly from Twitter :)
[2008/10/30 12:41] Torley Linden: ohh!
[2008/10/30 12:41] Torley Linden: that sounds kind of whimsical too, "i come from the land of Twitter" :D
[2008/10/30 12:41] Kalisten VanDornan: :) Oh yes, big hugs from Oregon side, Torley!
[2008/10/30 12:41] Holocluck Henly: volcano me never seen yet
[2008/10/30 12:41] Petronilla Paperdoll: lol yes :)
[2008/10/30 12:42] Kalisten VanDornan: though, that is the meanest lookin' watermelon I've ever seen.
[2008/10/30 12:42] Torley Linden: oooh!!
[2008/10/30 12:42] Holocluck Henly: i send many of my toontown friends who tried SL in the past and didnt know what to make of it - helps you're a friend on myspace lol
[2008/10/30 12:42] Torley Linden: haha, i have big teeth, but i'm not a horror movie monster! despite rumors to the contrary come Halloween!
[2008/10/30 12:42] Torley Linden: *big hugs*
[2008/10/30 12:42] Torley Linden: some of those Toontown critters are very cute.
[2008/10/30 12:42] Kalisten VanDornan grins
[2008/10/30 12:43] Holocluck Henly: wow torley you dont turn ORANGE tomorrow do you?
[2008/10/30 12:43] Holocluck Henly: thanks hehe like my bunny
[2008/10/30 12:43] Torley Linden: i'd better not, or i will freak out!
[2008/10/30 12:43] Rian Hirvi: have you seen the halloween linden bear 2008 by mia?
[2008/10/30 12:43] Torley Linden: i got sent a very nice orange sculptie elephant.
[2008/10/30 12:43] Holocluck Henly: there its not unusual for people to have male and female characters on one account
[2008/10/30 12:43] Torley Linden: not yet Rian but she's had great spirit encouraging other Lindens to be around for halloween festivities
[2008/10/30 12:43] Rian Hirvi: haha
[2008/10/30 12:43] Rian Hirvi: thats it
[2008/10/30 12:43] Holocluck Henly: right now there people run to specific shops trick or treating and in the end their heads are replaced by pumpkins
[2008/10/30 12:44] Holocluck Henly: but enough of another site
[2008/10/30 12:44] Rian Hirvi gave you [PML] Happy Halloween Hair!.
[2008/10/30 12:44] Rian Hirvi: and thats the hair :D
[2008/10/30 12:44] Rian Hirvi: hahaha
[2008/10/30 12:44] Rian Hirvi: i amde the hair :D
[2008/10/30 12:44] Rian Hirvi: made :)
[2008/10/30 12:44] Torley Linden: i like easter eggs and stuff
[2008/10/30 12:44] Torley Linden: oh thanks Rian!
[2008/10/30 12:44] Torley Linden: cool :)
[2008/10/30 12:44] Holocluck Henly: in general?
[2008/10/30 12:44] Torley Linden: yes, in general. :D
[2008/10/30 12:44] Torley Linden: and specifically.
[2008/10/30 12:44] Holocluck Henly: that covers all bases
[2008/10/30 12:44] Torley Linden: i liked how in Sim Tower at Xmas, sometimes, you see Santa in his sleigh
[2008/10/30 12:44] Kalisten VanDornan: How many folks came here from seeing Torley's twitter?
[2008/10/30 12:44] Kalisten VanDornan raises hand
[2008/10/30 12:45] Holocluck Henly: i dont use twitter
[2008/10/30 12:45] Holocluck Henly: sounds too trendy for me.
[2008/10/30 12:45] Jaymes Kjeller: I use twitter quite often.
[2008/10/30 12:45] Torley Linden: i'm glad to know that's where you saw my hang out with me notice :)
[2008/10/30 12:45] Torley Linden: i started using Twitter just because it's so fast and easy...
[2008/10/30 12:46] Jaymes Kjeller: Oh yeah, and I tried something pretty weird Here, and I posted the end result on Flickr.
[2008/10/30 12:46] Torley Linden: Kalisten and Petronilla, just to be sure, what are your twitter usernames? :)
[2008/10/30 12:46] Holocluck Henly: versus Yahoo or something?
[2008/10/30 12:46] Torley Linden: have URL, Jaymes? :)
[2008/10/30 12:46] Petronilla Paperdoll: mine is petropaperdoll
[2008/10/30 12:46] Torley Linden: Twitter is great for quick-shot announcements and status updates when there's so much going on
[2008/10/30 12:46] Holocluck Henly: I did an artsy shot and posted to picasaweb but i dont know if i sent you the url
[2008/10/30 12:46] Holocluck Henly: actually three of them
[2008/10/30 12:46] Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah, let me snip it into something shorter. :)
[2008/10/30 12:46] Kalisten VanDornan: <-- "katin" on twitter
[2008/10/30 12:46] Petronilla Paperdoll: it's better than facebook, to me....
[2008/10/30 12:46] Holocluck Henly: most things are
[2008/10/30 12:47] Holocluck Henly: and you dont need to use your real name
[2008/10/30 12:47] Kalisten VanDornan chuckles in agreement
[2008/10/30 12:47] Holocluck Henly: from what i hear
[2008/10/30 12:47] Torley Linden: thanks Kalisten, added you to follow too :)
[2008/10/30 12:47] Torley Linden: each tool has its purpose -- i try everything under the sun and then refine based on what i actually find value in :)
[2008/10/30 12:47] Kalisten VanDornan: My tweets may bore you, lad, but I'm honored all the same. :)
[2008/10/30 12:48] Jaymes Kjeller: http://snurl.com/4uqn3 There you go, Torley. The short of it is me trying out a boat on the water.
[2008/10/30 12:48] Torley Linden: i don't get bored easily ;D
[2008/10/30 12:48] Torley Linden: hehe
[2008/10/30 12:48] Petronilla Paperdoll: petropaperdoll is not so nice as nickname :P
[2008/10/30 12:48] Torley Linden: haha Jaymes, that sure looks pink.
[2008/10/30 12:49] Holocluck Henly will email instead of flood - not so short the url from picasa
[2008/10/30 12:49] Holocluck Henly: is snurl like tinyurl?
[2008/10/30 12:49] Torley Linden: url-shorteners are SO useful
[2008/10/30 12:49] Torley Linden: yes Holocluck
[2008/10/30 12:49] Holocluck Henly: i need to look into those thanks
[2008/10/30 12:49] Torley Linden: http://lifehacker.com recently did a roundup of those url shorteners, let me find you a link
[2008/10/30 12:50] Torley Linden: http://lifehacker.com/5068945/five-best-url-shrinkers
[2008/10/30 12:50] Torley Linden: tinysize ur urls! :D
[2008/10/30 12:50] Holocluck Henly: sent to your LL
[2008/10/30 12:50] Torley Linden: thx
[2008/10/30 12:51] Holocluck Henly: in tense jaymes
[2008/10/30 12:51] Holocluck Henly: intense too
[2008/10/30 12:51] Kalisten VanDornan: thanks for that link
[2008/10/30 12:51] Jaymes Kjeller: The boat in the picture is something from a fishing game I play often.
[2008/10/30 12:51] Holocluck Henly: so its true you can plop that boat down and it acts as your server?
[2008/10/30 12:51] Torley Linden: 7 seas fishing?
[2008/10/30 12:51] Kalisten VanDornan sleeps in-tents
[2008/10/30 12:51] Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah, it works like that
[2008/10/30 12:51] Torley Linden: that's a very second lifey thing... MY BOAT IS MY SERVER
[2008/10/30 12:51] Rian Hirvi: i got servers
[2008/10/30 12:52] Rian Hirvi: bought a pack of them
[2008/10/30 12:52] Rian Hirvi: haha
[2008/10/30 12:52] Torley Linden: hi hi Nyth :)
[2008/10/30 12:52] Holocluck Henly doesnt know anything about 7Seas *bats this irritating squid out of his face
[2008/10/30 12:52] Nyth Morgwain: Hello =·^^=
[2008/10/30 12:52] Nyth Morgwain: :)
[2008/10/30 12:52] Torley Linden: the Internets is a series of tubes
[2008/10/30 12:52] Holocluck Henly: hello nyth
[2008/10/30 12:52] Kalisten VanDornan snorts in laughter.
[2008/10/30 12:52] Rian Hirvi: 1's and 0's right?
[2008/10/30 12:52] Torley Linden: binary t00bs
[2008/10/30 12:52] Torley Linden: t00bs for n00bs... i'm just being silly
[2008/10/30 12:52] Rian Hirvi: lol
[2008/10/30 12:53] Kalisten VanDornan: Where's that binary drano?
[2008/10/30 12:53] Kalisten VanDornan: *darino
[2008/10/30 12:53] Kalisten VanDornan: *draino <rented fingers, pardon)
[2008/10/30 12:53] Torley Linden: is anyone doing anything particularly frightful for Halloween... i've been listening to horror movie music :)
[2008/10/30 12:53] Torley Linden: i like the music of Goblin very much, they did Profondo Rosso and Suspiria, amongst others
[2008/10/30 12:53] Rian Hirvi: not really, its not really celebrated in europe, so im not much into it
[2008/10/30 12:54] Torley Linden: ohh
[2008/10/30 12:54] Petronilla Paperdoll: yes :)
[2008/10/30 12:54] Torley Linden: i like hearing about worldwide traditions and festivities
[2008/10/30 12:54] Nyth Morgwain: spell
[2008/10/30 12:54] Nyth Morgwain: :) maybe any for samhain
[2008/10/30 12:54] Nyth Morgwain: s pell *
[2008/10/30 12:54] Rian Hirvi: sinterklaas :D
[2008/10/30 12:54] Holocluck Henly: i used to attend the nyc village parade but it hasnt been fun for yrs and all my rl friends left town. SO i help ppl with their new black cats in toontown. hard to explain. they need to build up their arsenal of gags. they start with cupcakes and lapel flower squirters
[2008/10/30 12:54] Torley Linden: that's one very cool thing i've always appreciated about being in Second Life, that you can quickly transcend national borders and be in the midst of, say, a lot of people in europe or asia etc.
[2008/10/30 12:54] Rian Hirvi gave you Sinterklaas 5/12 Explained in english..
[2008/10/30 12:54] Holocluck Henly: its the one day of the year that they can make a blck cat
[2008/10/30 12:55] Rian Hirvi gave you Rian Hirvi as Sinterklaas..
[2008/10/30 12:55] Rian Hirvi: thets a dutch one
[2008/10/30 12:55] Rian Hirvi: :D
[2008/10/30 12:55] Holocluck Henly: bay city is having a scavenger hunt
[2008/10/30 12:55] Rian Hirvi: thats
[2008/10/30 12:55] Torley Linden: Rian, that's great! :D
[2008/10/30 12:55] Jaymes Kjeller: I may wander the grid in a new avatar I have. :)
[2008/10/30 12:55] Nyth Morgwain: :) ye, curiously three years ago there wasn't any halloween here in spain
[2008/10/30 12:55] Torley Linden: i wonder how that changed, Nyth
[2008/10/30 12:55] Holocluck Henly: why is that?
[2008/10/30 12:55] Torley Linden: Hallmark?! :D
[2008/10/30 12:55] Torley Linden: j/k
[2008/10/30 12:55] Petronilla Paperdoll: halloween.... it's a celtic tradition
[2008/10/30 12:56] Torley Linden: it's going to be Black Friday in the US soon... that's like, a big day for shopping deals
[2008/10/30 12:56] Holocluck Henly: pronounced SOW-win
[2008/10/30 12:56] Nyth Morgwain: mm maybe the english teachers at school and American movies introduced that tradition
[2008/10/30 12:56] Petronilla Paperdoll: here in Italy only youngest people love halloween
[2008/10/30 12:56] Holocluck Henly: Torley thats often done at home now ;) clickie clickie
[2008/10/30 12:56] Torley Linden: Holocluck, yeah, i've been bookmarking Black Friday online deals pages
[2008/10/30 12:56] Nyth Morgwain: yep :) I prefer to celebrate Samhain Petronilla, but halloween is funny too :)
[2008/10/30 12:56] Rian Hirvi: what? a shopping party ?!
[2008/10/30 12:56] Rian Hirvi: omg we totally lack that !
[2008/10/30 12:56] Holocluck Henly: is it considered an evil observance over in italy?
[2008/10/30 12:57] Petronilla Paperdoll: :))
[2008/10/30 12:57] Torley Linden: it's fun to see which countries are associated with which creations... Dutch trance music is popular worldwide now
[2008/10/30 12:57] Torley Linden: hahahaha
[2008/10/30 12:57] Rian Hirvi: true
[2008/10/30 12:57] Nyth Morgwain: eheh evil observance
[2008/10/30 12:57] Petronilla Paperdoll: :))
[2008/10/30 12:57] Rian Hirvi: i dont liek trance
[2008/10/30 12:57] Rian Hirvi: lol
[2008/10/30 12:57] Torley Linden: i hate to unfairly stereotype tho, but i like to celebrate
[2008/10/30 12:57] Torley Linden: lol why not Rian
[2008/10/30 12:57] Holocluck Henly: hey dont laugh we get emails from people complaining that we offer people to display their astrological sign at my work sites boards
[2008/10/30 12:57] Rian Hirvi: i want rock !
[2008/10/30 12:57] Torley Linden: rock onnnnn hahaha
[2008/10/30 12:57] Torley Linden: heya Yuu :)
[2008/10/30 12:58] Yuu Nakamichi: hi all :)
[2008/10/30 12:58] Torley Linden: i just got some DJ equipment the other day,
[2008/10/30 12:58] Rian Hirvi: cool
[2008/10/30 12:58] Rian Hirvi: rl?
[2008/10/30 12:58] Torley Linden: Torq Xponent... actually this is the first time i've said that out loud
[2008/10/30 12:58] Torley Linden: yes
[2008/10/30 12:58] Torley Linden: i had these dreams i was a DJ, i haven't really ever done that (i produced electronic music)
[2008/10/30 12:58] Torley Linden: it's a pretty cool device so far
[2008/10/30 12:58] Rian Hirvi: lindan lab must pay you well, no wonder they rise open space costs, torley wants to dj :D
[2008/10/30 12:58] Rian Hirvi: hahaha
[2008/10/30 12:58] Torley Linden: gotta make your creative dreams come true though
[2008/10/30 12:58] Al Sonic: Black Friday... What was that again... Ah.
Day (Sept. 24, 1869) when plunging gold prices precipitated a U.S. stock-market panic. An attempt by Jay Gould and James Fisk to corner the market in gold and drive up its price depended on preventing the sale of government gold, an arrangement assured through the two men's political influence. When Pres. Ulysses S. Grant heard of the scheme, he ordered the government to sell $4 million in gold, which caused the price to drop and produced a panic selling of other stocks.
[2008/10/30 12:58] Rian Hirvi: thats a joke :P
[2008/10/30 12:59] Petronilla Paperdoll: lol
[2008/10/30 12:59] Torley Linden: Rian, haha, no matter what, i emphasize looking for bargains, in this case, i took advantage of Live.com's eBay 25% cashback
[2008/10/30 12:59] Holocluck Henly: i dont meean to be ot but torley, do you show something called WINDLIGHT SKY HOUSE PARK in a specific place on the island?
[2008/10/30 12:59] Torley Linden: more info: http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=328480&t=952519 but i think it's not international
[2008/10/30 12:59] Holocluck Henly: slickdeals LOL
[2008/10/30 12:59] Torley Linden: yes i sure do Holocluck, that'd be that floating hut on an island
[2008/10/30 12:59] Rian Hirvi: we have lazyday in a nearby city, a group of ppl goos on the streets at 5 or 6 am with pots anhd pans to wake everyone up, and then eat an ancient recepy of dutch foods at night
[2008/10/30 12:59] Torley Linden: hiya florenze!
[2008/10/30 13:00] Torley Linden: HAHAHAHA Riann, i like that, it's "lazyday"!?!?!
[2008/10/30 13:00] Torley Linden: omg
[2008/10/30 13:00] florenze Kerensky: hi torley :) hello all :)
[2008/10/30 13:00] Holocluck Henly: hey you know whats good? lol oh heh hello flo
[2008/10/30 13:00] Holocluck Henly: north or south east or west
[2008/10/30 13:00] Rian Hirvi: yeah
[2008/10/30 13:00] Yuu Nakamichi: hi flo :)
[2008/10/30 13:00] Rian Hirvi: luilak
[2008/10/30 13:00] Petronilla Paperdoll: hellow, fellow mentor :)
[2008/10/30 13:00] Nyth Morgwain: Hello =·^^=
[2008/10/30 13:00] Nyth Morgwain: florenze
[2008/10/30 13:00] Torley Linden: should be to the north
[2008/10/30 13:00] Rian Hirvi: luilak= lazy bastard haha
[2008/10/30 13:00] Holocluck Henly: btw best way to get deals is to sign up for emails with your favorite store's site and they throw you email coupoon codes
[2008/10/30 13:00] Torley Linden: haha "Mentaller than thou", fun group titles
[2008/10/30 13:01] Torley Linden: Holocluck, yeah, and often those coupons are reported on http://retailmenot.com :)
[2008/10/30 13:01] Torley Linden: luilak = lazy bastard, eh?
[2008/10/30 13:01] Torley Linden: hmmmm *arches a brow*
[2008/10/30 13:01] Holocluck Henly: sheesh torley what dont you know
[2008/10/30 13:01] Torley Linden: :D
[2008/10/30 13:01] Holocluck Henly: lol
[2008/10/30 13:01] Petronilla Paperdoll: it's mental mentors :))
[2008/10/30 13:01] Torley Linden: well, i'm insatiable to learn
[2008/10/30 13:01] Torley Linden: i'd be like, Mentorley
[2008/10/30 13:01] Torley Linden: hahahahaa
[2008/10/30 13:01] Petronilla Paperdoll: i love this title :)
[2008/10/30 13:02] Petronilla Paperdoll: are you in the group, torley? :)
[2008/10/30 13:02] Torley Linden: no Petronilla but of course i am familiar with these Mental Mentors, muhahaha
[2008/10/30 13:02] Holocluck Henly: they dont really trick or treat in most of NYC anymore. outside or closer to long island they might. we have a parade for the kids where i live :)
[2008/10/30 13:02] Petronilla Paperdoll: :)
[2008/10/30 13:03] Torley Linden: i love teaching and helping with personality, none of that boring drone instruction stuff that puts people to sleep
[2008/10/30 13:03] Al Sonic: Hrm. Is this island set in some kind of eternal twilight?
[2008/10/30 13:03] Torley Linden: people are more likely to learn if they can remember what you're showing
[2008/10/30 13:03] Torley Linden: Al, for now, that will change tho ;)
[2008/10/30 13:03] Torley Linden: we decided to go to twilight/dusk for Halloween and all that good stuff
[2008/10/30 13:03] Jaymes Kjeller: Which is the best way, I always say. :)
[2008/10/30 13:03] Al Sonic: =)
[2008/10/30 13:03] Holocluck Henly: halloween :) darker
[2008/10/30 13:03] Holocluck Henly: what he said laggedly ahead of mea
[2008/10/30 13:03] Torley Linden: eventually i hope server-side WindLight will come, and then... well, the skies will never be the same again!
[2008/10/30 13:03] Holocluck Henly: me
[2008/10/30 13:04] Holocluck Henly: you know - tsk... i moved higher altitude
[2008/10/30 13:04] Jaymes Kjeller: But you can override it client-side, I'm guessing
[2008/10/30 13:04] Holocluck Henly: i liked the clouds
[2008/10/30 13:04] Holocluck Henly: but i hadda get rid of them they were close
[2008/10/30 13:04] Al Sonic: Ooh yeah... I'm looking forward to that much moreso than shadows, but then we probably don't have computers to handle them properly anyhow...
[2008/10/30 13:04] Torley Linden: yes Jaymes. but i doth love the shared experience.
[2008/10/30 13:04] Holocluck Henly grumbles only 108m come on
[2008/10/30 13:04] Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah. :)
[2008/10/30 13:04] Torley Linden: Shadows final requirements are subject to change, we'll see. it's still expeirmental.
[2008/10/30 13:04] Torley Linden: hiya Sahkolihaa :)
[2008/10/30 13:05] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Hellooo :p
[2008/10/30 13:05] Torley Linden: i like thinking back to the first days of my Second Life
[2008/10/30 13:05] Al Sonic: Good to know.
[2008/10/30 13:05] Torley Linden: so much has happened, so much is yet to come.
[2008/10/30 13:06] Holocluck Henly looks around
[2008/10/30 13:06] Torley Linden: it got so ominously quiet!
[2008/10/30 13:06] Holocluck Henly: i found the music was back
[2008/10/30 13:06] Al Sonic: I thought so.
[2008/10/30 13:06] Nyth Morgwain: :P
[2008/10/30 13:06] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I'm still rezzing everyone x_x
[2008/10/30 13:06] Kalisten VanDornan: speaking of first days... have you seen the OpenGrid?
[2008/10/30 13:06] Holocluck Henly: it stopped for me at some pt
[2008/10/30 13:06] Holocluck Henly: lol
[2008/10/30 13:06] Rian Hirvi: trow a topic :P
[2008/10/30 13:07] Torley Linden: HOLY MOLY there we go, text!
[2008/10/30 13:07] Kalisten VanDornan: <or is that not a good thing to mention in SL?>
[2008/10/30 13:07] Torley Linden: Kalisten, haven't used it firsthand but i've seen pictures and other info.
[2008/10/30 13:07] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I had a feeling you'd be here as well Squirrel :P
[2008/10/30 13:07] Torley Linden: oh and it's fine to mention.
[2008/10/30 13:07] Jaymes Kjeller: I haven't used it, but it would never replace this grid to me.
[2008/10/30 13:07] Al Sonic: Heh, LL is supportive enough of OpenGrid.
[2008/10/30 13:08] Kalisten VanDornan: It's pretty darn bare...very proto, no tmuch works... I can bare the thought of spending HOURS and HOURS building everything from scratcvh again...
[2008/10/30 13:08] Kalisten VanDornan: *can't bare
[2008/10/30 13:08] Torley Linden: it is based on Second Life after all... and yes, we have Lindens collaborating with open source peeps on interoperability
[2008/10/30 13:08] Torley Linden: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/07/31/open-grid-public-beta-begins-today/
[2008/10/30 13:08] Kalisten VanDornan: which is a great thing
[2008/10/30 13:08] Petronilla Paperdoll: there is an Italian community called Cyberlandia - using opengrid
[2008/10/30 13:09] Torley Linden: yup =)
[2008/10/30 13:09] Kalisten VanDornan: but content is really king in th 21st century... and there sin't much content there.
[2008/10/30 13:09] Jaymes Kjeller: Still, I'd find it useful for emergency use, personally.
[2008/10/30 13:09] Torley Linden: if they keep building there will be...
[2008/10/30 13:09] Torley Linden: i guess it's the whole "build it up to a critical mass" thing
[2008/10/30 13:09] Torley Linden: where it's hard to get started, but after awhile, if you're successful, it finds its own momentum
[2008/10/30 13:09] Rian Hirvi: emergency use?
[2008/10/30 13:09] Kalisten VanDornan: That'll take some time.
[2008/10/30 13:10] Al Sonic: Ooh, SLVoice just crashed. good thing it's a separate process.
[2008/10/30 13:10] Torley Linden: i remember in 2004 even, when SL was rolling for some time, it was easy enough to see everything in the world
[2008/10/30 13:10] Torley Linden: now, that's just so much harder
[2008/10/30 13:10] Jaymes Kjeller: If a sim goes down, and a meeting's on, you could use that in place.
[2008/10/30 13:10] Rian Hirvi: ok
[2008/10/30 13:10] Torley Linden: it's like that hair care commercial, or whatever it was... "one friend tells two friends tells four friends tells eight". i'm horribly misquoting that,
[2008/10/30 13:10] Kalisten VanDornan: Hey Torley, any word on the efforts for improving "first hour" SL use? I haven't been around to see the new tutorials...
[2008/10/30 13:10] Torley Linden: but incredibly happy with all the amazing thangs in SL
[2008/10/30 13:11] Torley Linden: Kalisten, oh DEFINITELY, that's such a BIG priority right now...
[2008/10/30 13:11] Torley Linden: we have a lot of Lindens working on that "first hour/new experience" stuff.
[2008/10/30 13:11] Jaymes Kjeller: Not really logical, but still, it's the strange way that my logic works. :)
[2008/10/30 13:11] Torley Linden: it has many levels to it -- better reg flow, revamped UI, likely video tutorials, etc.
[2008/10/30 13:11] Torley Linden: it's very cross-team, really.
[2008/10/30 13:11] Holocluck Henly: i'd like to see how some of those places like hyannisport turn into when thats done
[2008/10/30 13:12] Kalisten VanDornan: How's it all coming? I still quote 8-10 hours ramp-up time to get competent in SL to me new clients... but with a better first hour, that could come down.
[2008/10/30 13:12] Kalisten VanDornan: *me = my
[2008/10/30 13:12] Torley Linden: afaik it's still coming along well
[2008/10/30 13:13] Torley Linden: what are some particular aspects of the new Resident experience that are painful to you, Kalisten?
[2008/10/30 13:13] Jaymes Kjeller: For some strange reason, I'm reminded about an article I read a long time ago about "The right to make project forks" or something like that.
[2008/10/30 13:13] Torley Linden: sometimes there are small changes that make a big positive difference
[2008/10/30 13:13] Kalisten VanDornan: Torley, have the thought about some kind of "instant avatar" package that would allow new accounts to attend a business meeting wihtout much learning? (pre-clothed, pre-scripted?)
[2008/10/30 13:13] Torley Linden: it's like, why an easy reg form and obvious download are SO important -- if someone can't be bothered to go through those, they never come in!
[2008/10/30 13:13] Jaymes Kjeller: Wait, I'm losing the convo, arn't I?
[2008/10/30 13:13] Holocluck Henly: unfortunately they need to go to OI and HIP for follow up. some of the types there are very intimidating
[2008/10/30 13:13] Torley Linden: Kalisten, would that be an expanded version of how you can currently select a businessperson avatar at registration?
[2008/10/30 13:14] Holocluck Henly: you ok jaymes?
[2008/10/30 13:14] Holocluck Henly: lag from hell?
[2008/10/30 13:14] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Hm, new residents reminds me of a thread on the Furnation forum - someone on there wanted to get started in Second Life, but found things rather difficult and left in about 20 minutes :(
[2008/10/30 13:14] Kalisten VanDornan: When I bring in a new client - and most of them are over age 50 - they are overhwlemed with the fact that they need to get dressed, then learn to move, then figure out the camera, then fly/map...
[2008/10/30 13:14] Torley Linden: altho there are variations, i'm definitely seeing better use of SLURLs to start at a given orientation place (Resident-made) in SL, where there are goodie packs and a specific, focused entry depending on someone's intentions/needs, whether it's business, education, pleasure, etc.
[2008/10/30 13:14] Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah, just my long responses tend to mean that I fall behind a topic.
[2008/10/30 13:14] Kalisten VanDornan: Hmm... I haven't done the business person avi yet! I'll have to try that! :)
[2008/10/30 13:15] Holocluck Henly: blue suggests they are considering interest-specific starter places too. that would be great.
[2008/10/30 13:15] Torley Linden: Kalisten, ah yeah... some of those steps are still difficult. but at least, having them logged in and starting SL at the right place gets them that much closer.
[2008/10/30 13:15] Kalisten VanDornan: Yes - goodie packs, etc.
[2008/10/30 13:15] Torley Linden: i'm a BIG fan of easy templates/quick starts.
[2008/10/30 13:15] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Ohh, interest-specific places? Very good idea I think.
[2008/10/30 13:15] Kalisten VanDornan: Good plan. Know of any business meeting oriented starter places?
[2008/10/30 13:15] Jaymes Kjeller: I am too, I'd use a template if I think it could help.
[2008/10/30 13:15] Torley Linden: it saves time, trouble, and helps someone get comfortable without overwhelming them with "you must learn how to make everything yourself", which is too harsh in many cases.
[2008/10/30 13:16] Holocluck Henly: if someone is here for the music and clubs they go to one type of place, maybe offered types of freebie avs for that - business - furr - scifi etc
[2008/10/30 13:16] Kalisten VanDornan: Exactly.
[2008/10/30 13:16] Torley Linden: Kalisten, ahh i know there's a directory somewhere but i'm forgetting it right now...
[2008/10/30 13:16] Torley Linden: if it comes back to my mind i'll let you know
[2008/10/30 13:16] Holocluck Henly: info island or somesuch? i know a private group has been working on a place
[2008/10/30 13:16] Torley Linden: there's the solution provider list on http://secondlifegrid.net but that's more broad
[2008/10/30 13:16] Kalisten VanDornan: No worries. Thanks much!
[2008/10/30 13:16] Torley Linden: =)
[2008/10/30 13:16] florenze Kerensky raises hand
[2008/10/30 13:17] Torley Linden: what's your question, florenze? :D
[2008/10/30 13:17] florenze Kerensky: re windlight
[2008/10/30 13:17] Torley Linden: sure... please do ask
[2008/10/30 13:17] Kalisten VanDornan: Anyone know of any favorite SL blogs that focus on newbie/business jump-start methods?
[2008/10/30 13:17] florenze Kerensky: i just saw vid tut on changing time of day.
[2008/10/30 13:17] Kalisten VanDornan: <eeps - I'l wait my turn>
[2008/10/30 13:17] florenze Kerensky: but still wonder
[2008/10/30 13:17] Torley Linden: Kalisten, hmmm i've seen scattered articles and various tips. i've been hoping to see a really good compilation put together.
[2008/10/30 13:18] Torley Linden: for etiquette-specific stuff, there's http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Sletiquette (some overlap)
[2008/10/30 13:18] florenze Kerensky: if i set a different settign, say gellato. is there a way for it to change time of day?
[2008/10/30 13:18] Torley Linden: florenze, yes, you can. you need to set up a custom day cycle for that. :)
[2008/10/30 13:18] florenze Kerensky: to auto change like regular sl day
[2008/10/30 13:18] Kalisten VanDornan: Thx
[2008/10/30 13:18] Torley Linden: OH Kalisten, also see: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Current_Business_And_Marketing_Resources
[2008/10/30 13:18] Torley Linden: lots of resources there
[2008/10/30 13:19] Torley Linden: florenze, what you can do is in Advanced Sky, click Day Cycle Editor.
[2008/10/30 13:19] Torley Linden: you can create a "new day" with "keyframes" (one setting for each keyframe) that a day is made out of.
[2008/10/30 13:19] Torley Linden: and you can overwrite the default day if you so choose.
[2008/10/30 13:19] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I haven't toyed with the Advanced Sky settings for a while.
[2008/10/30 13:19] Torley Linden: it's somewhat limited but still, handy to know about.
[2008/10/30 13:19] Torley Linden: always good to experiment. :D
[2008/10/30 13:19] florenze Kerensky: so i need to program my different times of day then?
[2008/10/30 13:19] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Last thing I did was make night time darker.
[2008/10/30 13:19] Holocluck Henly: ooo ty
[2008/10/30 13:19] Kalisten VanDornan: Sweet!
[2008/10/30 13:19] Torley Linden: yes, florenze. that's right. and then set each setting you've programmed to a time on the day cycle.
[2008/10/30 13:19] Torley Linden: =)
[2008/10/30 13:20] Yuu Nakamichi: some time ago there was talk about adding day cycle inventory items that resis could share with each other
[2008/10/30 13:20] Kalisten VanDornan tips his hat, "Thank you, sir!"
[2008/10/30 13:20] Torley Linden: yes Yuu, that's still "planned". :)
[2008/10/30 13:20] Torley Linden: you're so welcome, Kalisten!
[2008/10/30 13:20] florenze Kerensky: thank you torley :)
[2008/10/30 13:20] Torley Linden: it's been lovely hanging out and chatting... pardon, i must go for now.
[2008/10/30 13:20] Torley Linden: i wish each & all of you a happy Second Life!
[2008/10/30 13:20] Yuu Nakamichi: i see
[2008/10/30 13:20] Jaymes Kjeller: See you around, Torley! :)
[2008/10/30 13:20] Kerry Giha: Thanks Torley
[2008/10/30 13:20] Holocluck Henly: happy halloween to all and to ravenelle too
[2008/10/30 13:20] Object: Remove floating text
[2008/10/30 13:20] Al Sonic: Yeah, thanks for staying and chatting so long and well :)
[2008/10/30 13:20] Kerry Giha: Nice office Hour
[2008/10/30 13:20] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: See you, Torley.
[2008/10/30 13:20] Petronilla Paperdoll: ao off
[2008/10/30 13:20] Torley Linden: thanxarama! byes for now! *waves and smiles big* thanks for being with me!!!!