Adult Content User Group/09/19/2011
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Attendees List
- Aelfwine Crystal (aelfwine.crystal)
- Amo Paine (amo.paine)
- Angelena Collins (angelena.collins)
- Ann Otoole (ann.otoole)
- Chriz Collins (chriz.collins)
- Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
- Dancer Greenfield (dancer.greenfield)
- Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
- Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
- Nal (nal)
- Qie (qie)
- Viale Linden (viale.linden)
- Zada Bury (zada.bury)(User's Wiki Page)
Transcript for Monday September 19, 2011
[10:58] | Qie | Hi folks |
[10:59] | Zada Bury | Heya Qie |
[10:59] | Ann Otoole | 80k+ (80k +) |
[10:59] | Zada Bury | oh, heya Viale |
[10:59] | Qie | Hi Viale (Hi Avenue) |
[10:59] | Counter Landfall | wow |
[10:59] | Aelfwine Crystal | quiet, quiet...here comes da man :) (quiet, quiet ... here comes the man:)) |
[10:59] | Counter Landfall | Hi Viale (Hi Avenue) |
[10:59] | Viale Linden | Hi |
[10:59] | Viale Linden | oh jeez |
[10:59] | Aelfwine Crystal | laughs |
[11:00] | Viale Linden | lets give everyone a few min |
[11:00] | Counter Landfall | why not |
[11:00] | Counter Landfall | can we call it meeting lag? |
[11:01] | Aelfwine Crystal | Say, can I ask something? Just curious when LL went to just checking an "I'm over 18" box only? |
[11:01] | Viale Linden | Thanks Zada |
[11:01] | Aelfwine Crystal | For age verify, that is |
[11:01] | Counter Landfall | few weeks ago |
[11:01] | Viale Linden | Not sure I understand |
[11:01] | Dancer Greenfield | No more age verification now? |
[11:01] | Dancer Greenfield | That's cool, it sucked anyway |
[11:02] | Counter Landfall | that is the age verification |
[11:02] | Counter Landfall | industry standard |
[11:02] | Aelfwine Crystal | Aelfwine Crystal frowns and nods, "Yep, all you have to do is click"
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[11:02] | Aelfwine Crystal | Makes the whole forced move seem silly, if you ask me |
[11:02] | Viale Linden | Have you been here: https://secondlife.com/my/account/verification.php?lang=en-US |
[11:03] | Viale Linden | Thanks counter |
[11:03] | Dancer Greenfield | The old age verifivation was a laugh anyway... any 12-year-old could type in his Dad's drivers license number |
[11:03] | Aelfwine Crystal | True enough, I agree |
[11:03] | Innula Zenovka | hi everyone |
[11:03] | Aelfwine Crystal | Hi Innula |
[11:03] | Viale Linden | Hi Innula |
[11:03] | Counter Landfall | Hi Innula, everyone new |
[11:03] | Viale Linden | Huntress |
[11:03] | Viale Linden | Hi Qie and Counter |
[11:04] | Viale Linden | Hi Chriz |
[11:04] | Viale Linden | Ok |
[11:04] | Chriz Collins | hi:) |
[11:04] | Viale Linden | I think we should get started |
[11:05] | Viale Linden | As I mentioned last week. We may need to change the frequency of these meetings to keep the discussion fresh |
[11:05] | Dancer Greenfield | Twice a week now? |
[11:05] | Viale Linden | Just a quick status update |
[11:05] | Zada Bury | What frequence you have in the mind? |
[11:05] | Huntress Catteneo | lol Dancer |
[11:05] | Viale Linden | We have received some proposals from the RFP for an adult content gateway |
[11:06] | Viale Linden | We are anxious to get going on that |
[11:06] | Huntress Catteneo | RFP? |
[11:06] | Viale Linden | some other updates |
[11:06] | Nal | request for proposal |
[11:06] | Viale Linden | We worked with the Premium Product team and pushed forward some Adult Premium sandboxes |
[11:07] | Counter Landfall | sounds good |
[11:07] | Zada Bury | "some"? |
[11:07] | Viale Linden | And Friday, we started adding Adult Categories to the Destination guide |
[11:07] | Viale Linden | Zada - 4 |
[11:07] | Nal | Are they live now or coming soon? |
[11:07] | Huntress Catteneo | which is nice for premium people, rest get...? |
[11:07] | Viale Linden | They are live on the DG |
[11:07] | Innula Zenovka | excellent news about the gateway proposals.. what happens next with those? |
[11:07] | Zada Bury | Ah, the 4 sims which make 1 premium Sandbox. |
[11:07] | Counter Landfall | is there a list of the categories? |
[11:08] | Viale Linden | looking forward to see some more destination entrees |
[11:08] | Viale Linden | http://secondlife.com/destinations?lang=en-US |
[11:08] | Viale Linden | Love the main image on the DG from Frolic Mills |
[11:09] | Viale Linden | The Destination guide is our crowned jewell |
[11:09] | Viale Linden | love it |
[11:09] | Viale Linden | Ok |
[11:09] | Counter Landfall | Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM? |
[11:09] | Zada Bury | Ah, finally a DG-point, where I can put my place in without tricks. |
[11:09] | Viale Linden | That is my update |
[11:09] | Viale Linden | Zada - pls explain |
[11:09] | Counter Landfall | I sent you a list of what they are |
[11:10] | Zada Bury | In the past was no possible DG-target, where I can ut my place in ... without a bit "tricking" or alternate the background. |
[11:10] | Zada Bury | Now one is there, where it's fitting in. |
[11:11] | Innula Zenovka | that's great about the destination guide -- i saw blacksilk in there over the weekend when i logged in and wondered if that was new |
[11:11] | Viale Linden | Submit it to Editor@lindenlab.com and they will help you |
[11:12] | Zada Bury | Nice .... now I even not need to digg trough the old chat-ligs ^.^ |
[11:12] | Viale Linden | Yes, Innula. Hopefully, we can get some good pics from you to add some more good content |
[11:13] | Innula Zenovka | Vesta and I are still a bit nervous about putting our place in.. we would like the traffic but are a bit worried about the potential disruption |
[11:13] | Viale Linden | In the coming weeks, we are working on an email to make it easier for residents to understand how to age veriify |
[11:14] | Viale Linden | I agree with some of you that the flow needs help |
[11:14] | Counter Landfall | Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM to the DG? |
[11:17] | Viale Linden | We reviewed several options for categories and in the end, we felt these were the best for mass web viewing. |
[11:17] | Viale Linden | Cound change over time |
[11:17] | Counter Landfall | Felt? :-) |
[11:18] | Counter Landfall | Based on what criteria? |
[11:18] | Viale Linden | In terms of a wide audience |
[11:19] | Amo Paine | sorry i am late |
[11:20] | Counter Landfall | so is the DG for internal consumption primarily, or is it a prospecting tool? |
[11:20] | Viale Linden | counter ~ could change over time |
[11:20] | Viale Linden | for existing and new residents |
[11:21] | Counter Landfall | will the DG entries be visible unless you have verified? |
[11:21] | Counter Landfall | like in SLM? |
[11:21] | Viale Linden | It is a tool for residents to go to these places and they can of course learn about other places in "A" regions by talking to other residents |
[11:22] | Viale Linden | Just like how Zagats works for travelers |
[11:22] | Viale Linden | Please submit your picks |
[11:22] | Counter Landfall | right |
[11:23] | Viale Linden | How many here visit the Destination Guide? |
[11:23] | Counter Landfall | I am just struggling a bit to understand the classification because you have a fashion category |
[11:23] | Counter Landfall | and a very large section of what is listed on SLM under adult falls under that |
[11:23] | Huntress Catteneo | only when I have a place in it |
[11:23] | Aelfwine Crystal | Mmm, perhaps, Fashion isn't too "adult" |
[11:23] | Counter Landfall | so does that mean we can list such items on adult regions under fashion? |
[11:23] | Amo Paine | i use the guide |
[11:23] | Qie | I use DG sometimes. |
[11:24] | Nal | I use Dg |
[11:24] | Innula Zenovka | i look at it sometimes, but most of the time i'm too busy scripting and building to do much |
[11:25] | Viale Linden | Yes |
[11:25] | Huntress Catteneo | likewise Innula lol |
[11:25] | Viale Linden | So Counter to answer your question |
[11:25] | Counter Landfall | Apparel has listed 41873 adult items on SLM |
[11:25] | Counter Landfall | Avatar Appearance |
[11:26] | Viale Linden | The editor will review submissions to the DG. They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial. |
[11:26] | Viale Linden | That is what Classifieds are for |
[11:26] | Counter Landfall | Home and Garden 21174 |
[11:26] | Huntress Catteneo | a lot now I see are hunts |
[11:26] | Counter Landfall | heh, why does not that apply to non adult? |
[11:26] | Ann Otoole | you mean like "clubs" that are really shopping malls? |
[11:26] | Counter Landfall | the calssifieds listed there |
[11:26] | Innula Zenovka | adult fashions and commerce -- surely that's for commerical stuff? |
[11:27] | Aelfwine Crystal | How and to who does one submit a Destination? |
[11:27] | Viale Linden | Let me get you the form |
[11:27] | Aelfwine Crystal | Thank you |
[11:27] | Counter Landfall | there are 241 places listed under clothing in DG |
[11:27] | Qie | So far, they've been pretty liberal with DG, Adult or not. |
[11:28] | Innula Zenovka | could you please explain about "They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial." viale? |
[11:28] | Huntress Catteneo | and when form fails just email >:) |
[11:28] | Counter Landfall | 50 lications for skins and shapes |
[11:28] | Counter Landfall | I guess they are all commercial? |
[11:28] | Viale Linden | Here is a comprehensive FAQ on Destination Guide questions. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Destination_Guide_FAQ |
[11:28] | Aelfwine Crystal | Seems Fashion and Jewelry already are commercial |
[11:28] | Aelfwine Crystal | Thank you Vaile |
[11:29] | Innula Zenovka | if Vesta and I do put our place in, we'd want it to be in "Fashions and Commerce" along with the other animation shops |
[11:29] | Viale Linden | if you have any questions that are not answered - Brett Linden who visited a couple weeks ago can answer your questions - editor@lindenlab.com |
[11:30] | Aelfwine Crystal | Aelfwine Crystal nods
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[11:30] | Viale Linden | I think this is a small step, but a big one |
[11:30] | Viale Linden | SL is a platform for self-expression and adult can live up there right next to academc showcase |
[11:31] | Viale Linden | I have taken your feedback over the last 8-12 weeks and have made a lot of progress internally in terms of bringing your value forward |
[11:32] | Viale Linden | many of you have been very insightful |
[11:32] | Counter Landfall | keep it up ;-) |
[11:33] | Amo Paine | you are doing a good job, viale, i believe |
[11:33] | Viale Linden | Given the History, we need to think these things outbefore being tactical |
[11:33] | Huntress Catteneo | I know Gina submitted updated proposal |
[11:34] | Viale Linden | I have very impressed with the Adult content folks. You all have alot of integrity and want this to succeed. |
[11:34] | Viale Linden | Your passion has been noted with execs at the lab |
[11:35] | Amo Paine | flatter will keep me happy |
[11:35] | Huntress Catteneo | means little to me, action is good though |
[11:35] | Viale Linden | I did receive Gina's proposal. |
[11:35] | Innula Zenovka | what happens next with the adult content gateway proposals, viale.. do LL just review them and then announce which one has been selected? |
[11:36] | Viale Linden | Yes, we will review and start integrating into our promotions for adult content |
[11:37] | Viale Linden | However, I want yall to know the DG also provides you equal ground |
[11:37] | Viale Linden | I really dont wnat the AC gateway to be Linden ruled |
[11:38] | Viale Linden | This is a solution to the status quo that stagnated this groups thought around Zindra SIm and Events sanctioned by LL |
[11:38] | Counter Landfall | Let me ask again, have you made any projectsions of how much traffic you will send in that direction? |
[11:38] | Innula Zenovka | i think having it owned and run by residents is a very good idea, myself |
[11:39] | Viale Linden | Yes, I have very careful to stay out of the process with some of the RFPs |
[11:39] | Viale Linden | I want them to welcome folks and provide a gateway for others to advertisie, but beyond that I am staying out of designs |
[11:41] | Viale Linden | I think this group has come a long way from discussions about the name of zindra sim |
[11:42] | Huntress Catteneo | always the sticky point in my mind, determining who does or doesn't get to advertise etc |
[11:42] | Counter Landfall | I think most of us ended that discussion in Sept 2009 |
[11:42] | Viale Linden | Counter ~ So I want to do a larger email to active 18 yr olds that have not age verfied and a follow up promoting AC |
[11:42] | Counter Landfall | sounds very good |
[11:42] | Viale Linden | Then if that works out |
[11:42] | Counter Landfall | I welcome that |
[11:43] | Viale Linden | I want to automate the age verification step via email to new users |
[11:43] | Counter Landfall | ok, but don't they confirm age on signup? |
[11:43] | Viale Linden | we will tes, test and refine |
[11:44] | Viale Linden | Flows will improve over time, but as you know dev has a lot on its plate |
[11:45] | Viale Linden | We will try to help via email |
[11:45] | Innula Zenovka | yeah, Counter, but i think this is confirming that, as well as being eligable to see adult content, you want to.. correct me, please, viale, if i am mistaken.. which i see as a big boost cos it tells people, right at sign up, that we're here and they might want to see more |
[11:45] | Counter Landfall | the algorithm is. If signup is over 18 write age verified = true to database on signup along with any other info |
[11:45] | Counter Landfall | the only thing they have to do is set a pref |
[11:46] | Viale Linden | We have that extra step to age verfiy, so users can control the content they are about to see |
[11:46] | Viale Linden | Just like onn the web |
[11:46] | Counter Landfall | no (on) |
[11:46] | Counter Landfall | that is not age verification |
[11:46] | Counter Landfall | that is setting a pref in the viewer |
[11:47] | Counter Landfall | the age verification step is confirm age 18 or higher |
[11:47] | Viale Linden | Yes, that pref in the viewer needs to be made into a onse step |
[11:47] | Counter Landfall | which they do on signup |
[11:47] | Viale Linden | I think that is good feedback |
[11:48] | Viale Linden | counter - we cannot go a week without that discussion. |
[11:48] | Viale Linden | Now I knwo it is Monday |
[11:48] | Viale Linden | lol |
[11:48] | Amo Paine | lol |
[11:48] | Counter Landfall | I am only trying to get you to see that you already do the age verify on initial signup |
[11:48] | Huntress Catteneo | Counter, your idea always seems to be force as many into adult as possible, some would complain to LL about that for sure |
[11:49] | Counter Landfall | setting the pref in the viewer is the confirmation stefp of what they want to see |
[11:49] | Viale Linden | I think counter just wants the experience to be a smooth flow with out so many bandaids |
[11:49] | Viale Linden | I agree |
[11:49] | Counter Landfall | and it should defualt to G+M as it does now |
[11:50] | Viale Linden | Rob is a big advocate of flow and changing the age verification flow in Late June was a 1st step |
[11:50] | Aelfwine Crystal | Step one, sign up, saying you're 18 when you sign the TOS, Step 2, click "I'm over 18" under age verification, Step 3, change the viewer settings. It is rather a lot |
[11:50] | Viale Linden | The old flow required a few aspirin |
[11:50] | Counter Landfall | step to is redundant |
[11:51] | Counter Landfall | two? |
[11:51] | Aelfwine Crystal | That is IF the TOS reflects the over 18 thing, now |
[11:51] | Viale Linden | The old flow made it tough for 40 yr olds |
[11:52] | Viale Linden | So any events or updates you would like to share before we end |
[11:53] | Huntress Catteneo | if I wasn't half asleep yes |
[11:53] | Viale Linden | go ahead Huntress |
[11:53] | Viale Linden | I am sorry for boring you |
[11:53] | Huntress Catteneo | no is 4.23am here |
[11:54] | Zada Bury | no boreing here ... only problem solveing in IM (no boreing here ... only problem in solveing ??IM) |
[11:54] | Huntress Catteneo | and I have had 4 hrs sleep in last 72 |
[11:54] | Viale Linden | ahhh |
[11:54] | Zada Bury | *hands a "red bull" * |
[11:54] | Huntress Catteneo | so nodding off a bit |
[11:54] | Viale Linden | nice |
[11:54] | Huntress Catteneo | oh ick lol |
[11:55] | Huntress Catteneo | and I already have the wings lol |
[11:55] | Amo Paine | you look good when you are nodding off |
[11:55] | Viale Linden | where is my friend Evelyn? |
[11:55] | Huntress Catteneo | normally tempy keeps me awake |
[11:55] | Viale Linden | and Ginette? |
[11:56] | Huntress Catteneo | Gina had another meeting |
[11:56] | Huntress Catteneo | rl I think |
[11:56] | Huntress Catteneo | forget what she told me sorry :( |
[11:56] | Huntress Catteneo | just remember she said proposal |
[11:57] | Viale Linden | Ok |
[11:57] | Viale Linden | Take care everyone |
[11:57] | Qie | thanks Viale |
[11:58] | Viale Linden | Thank YOU |
[11:58] | Innula Zenovka | thanks, Viale.. bye for now |
[11:58] | Zada Bury | Same to you, Viale. |
[11:58] | Amo Paine | bye, viale (bye, avenue) |
[11:58] | Viale Linden | Look forward to seeeing you all next week |
[11:58] | Viale Linden | Bye |
[11:58] | Innula Zenovka | see you then |
[11:58] | Zada Bury | *waves* |
[11:58] | Angelena Collins | thank you and bye for now |
[11:58] | Dancer Greenfield | Bye Viale (Bye Avenue) |
[11:59] | Counter Landfall | Bye Viale (Bye Avenue) |
[11:59] | Huntress Catteneo | this time sooo kills me |
[11:59] | Zada Bury | Better not look on your Bed, Huntress .... |
[11:59] | Zada Bury | ... in bed the most poeple die. (... in the bed most of the poeple.) |
[11:59] | Huntress Catteneo | wish so much was not US centric |
[12:00] | Viale Linden | we should consider another time next week - lets discuss |
[12:00] | Zada Bury | Now you know, how I have feel along the 2 weeks pre-party time ... ^.^ |
[12:00] | Viale Linden | many of you are abroad |
[12:00] | Huntress Catteneo | in my bed is warm body waiting to wrap around me |
[12:00] | Innula Zenovka | this is a good time for Europeans, of course |
[12:00] | Viale Linden | Good night Huntress |
[12:00] | Counter Landfall | Perfect time for Europe |
[12:00] | Huntress Catteneo | oh I always know Zada |
[12:01] | Zada Bury | Perfect for europe, yessss ^_^ |
[12:01] | Huntress Catteneo | gf is French |
[12:01] | Viale Linden | Take care Amo |
[12:01] | Amo Paine | i think this is the best compromise for europe and the americas |
[12:01] | Zada Bury | sweet dreams, Huntress ... about kangaroos ... and fluffy rabbits ... and ... poison spiters ... and so on. |
[12:01] | Counter Landfall | it can be an hour later, but not much more than that |