Adult Content User Group/09/19/2011

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Transcript for Monday September 19, 2011

[10:58] Qie Hi folks
[10:59] Zada Bury Heya Qie
[10:59] Ann Otoole 80k+ (80k +)
[10:59] Zada Bury oh, heya Viale
[10:59] Qie Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:59] Counter Landfall wow
[10:59] Aelfwine Crystal quiet, quiet...here comes da man :) (quiet, quiet ... here comes the man:))
[10:59] Counter Landfall Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:59] Viale Linden Hi
[10:59] Viale Linden oh jeez
[10:59] Aelfwine Crystal laughs
[11:00] Viale Linden lets give everyone a few min
[11:00] Counter Landfall why not
[11:00] Counter Landfall can we call it meeting lag?
[11:01] Aelfwine Crystal Say, can I ask something? Just curious when LL went to just checking an "I'm over 18" box only?
[11:01] Viale Linden Thanks Zada
[11:01] Aelfwine Crystal For age verify, that is
[11:01] Counter Landfall few weeks ago
[11:01] Viale Linden Not sure I understand
[11:01] Dancer Greenfield No more age verification now?
[11:01] Dancer Greenfield That's cool, it sucked anyway
[11:02] Counter Landfall that is the age verification
[11:02] Counter Landfall industry standard
[11:02] Aelfwine Crystal Aelfwine Crystal frowns and nods, "Yep, all you have to do is click"

[11:02] Aelfwine Crystal Makes the whole forced move seem silly, if you ask me
[11:02] Viale Linden Have you been here: https://secondlife.com/my/account/verification.php?lang=en-US
[11:03] Viale Linden Thanks counter
[11:03] Dancer Greenfield The old age verifivation was a laugh anyway... any 12-year-old could type in his Dad's drivers license number
[11:03] Aelfwine Crystal True enough, I agree
[11:03] Innula Zenovka hi everyone
[11:03] Aelfwine Crystal Hi Innula
[11:03] Viale Linden Hi Innula
[11:03] Counter Landfall Hi Innula, everyone new
[11:03] Viale Linden Huntress
[11:03] Viale Linden Hi Qie and Counter
[11:04] Viale Linden Hi Chriz
[11:04] Viale Linden Ok
[11:04] Chriz Collins hi:)
[11:04] Viale Linden I think we should get started
[11:05] Viale Linden As I mentioned last week. We may need to change the frequency of these meetings to keep the discussion fresh
[11:05] Dancer Greenfield Twice a week now?
[11:05] Viale Linden Just a quick status update
[11:05] Zada Bury What frequence you have in the mind?
[11:05] Huntress Catteneo lol Dancer
[11:05] Viale Linden We have received some proposals from the RFP for an adult content gateway
[11:06] Viale Linden We are anxious to get going on that
[11:06] Huntress Catteneo RFP?
[11:06] Viale Linden some other updates
[11:06] Nal request for proposal
[11:06] Viale Linden We worked with the Premium Product team and pushed forward some Adult Premium sandboxes
[11:07] Counter Landfall sounds good
[11:07] Zada Bury "some"?
[11:07] Viale Linden And Friday, we started adding Adult Categories to the Destination guide
[11:07] Viale Linden Zada - 4
[11:07] Nal Are they live now or coming soon?
[11:07] Huntress Catteneo which is nice for premium people, rest get...?
[11:07] Viale Linden They are live on the DG
[11:07] Innula Zenovka excellent news about the gateway proposals.. what happens next with those?
[11:07] Zada Bury Ah, the 4 sims which make 1 premium Sandbox.
[11:07] Counter Landfall is there a list of the categories?
[11:08] Viale Linden looking forward to see some more destination entrees
[11:08] Viale Linden http://secondlife.com/destinations?lang=en-US
[11:08] Viale Linden Love the main image on the DG from Frolic Mills
[11:09] Viale Linden The Destination guide is our crowned jewell
[11:09] Viale Linden love it
[11:09] Viale Linden Ok
[11:09] Counter Landfall Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM?
[11:09] Zada Bury Ah, finally a DG-point, where I can put my place in without tricks.
[11:09] Viale Linden That is my update
[11:09] Viale Linden Zada - pls explain
[11:09] Counter Landfall I sent you a list of what they are
[11:10] Zada Bury In the past was no possible DG-target, where I can ut my place in ... without a bit "tricking" or alternate the background.
[11:10] Zada Bury Now one is there, where it's fitting in.
[11:11] Innula Zenovka that's great about the destination guide -- i saw blacksilk in there over the weekend when i logged in and wondered if that was new
[11:11] Viale Linden Submit it to Editor@lindenlab.com and they will help you
[11:12] Zada Bury Nice .... now I even not need to digg trough the old chat-ligs ^.^
[11:12] Viale Linden Yes, Innula. Hopefully, we can get some good pics from you to add some more good content
[11:13] Innula Zenovka Vesta and I are still a bit nervous about putting our place in.. we would like the traffic but are a bit worried about the potential disruption
[11:13] Viale Linden In the coming weeks, we are working on an email to make it easier for residents to understand how to age veriify
[11:14] Viale Linden I agree with some of you that the flow needs help
[11:14] Counter Landfall Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM to the DG?
[11:17] Viale Linden We reviewed several options for categories and in the end, we felt these were the best for mass web viewing.
[11:17] Viale Linden Cound change over time
[11:17] Counter Landfall Felt? :-)
[11:18] Counter Landfall Based on what criteria?
[11:18] Viale Linden In terms of a wide audience
[11:19] Amo Paine sorry i am late
[11:20] Counter Landfall so is the DG for internal consumption primarily, or is it a prospecting tool?
[11:20] Viale Linden counter ~ could change over time
[11:20] Viale Linden for existing and new residents
[11:21] Counter Landfall will the DG entries be visible unless you have verified?
[11:21] Counter Landfall like in SLM?
[11:21] Viale Linden It is a tool for residents to go to these places and they can of course learn about other places in "A" regions by talking to other residents
[11:22] Viale Linden Just like how Zagats works for travelers
[11:22] Viale Linden Please submit your picks
[11:22] Counter Landfall right
[11:23] Viale Linden How many here visit the Destination Guide?
[11:23] Counter Landfall I am just struggling a bit to understand the classification because you have a fashion category
[11:23] Counter Landfall and a very large section of what is listed on SLM under adult falls under that
[11:23] Huntress Catteneo only when I have a place in it
[11:23] Aelfwine Crystal Mmm, perhaps, Fashion isn't too "adult"
[11:23] Counter Landfall so does that mean we can list such items on adult regions under fashion?
[11:23] Amo Paine i use the guide
[11:23] Qie I use DG sometimes.
[11:24] Nal I use Dg
[11:24] Innula Zenovka i look at it sometimes, but most of the time i'm too busy scripting and building to do much
[11:25] Viale Linden Yes
[11:25] Huntress Catteneo likewise Innula lol
[11:25] Viale Linden So Counter to answer your question
[11:25] Counter Landfall Apparel has listed 41873 adult items on SLM
[11:25] Counter Landfall Avatar Appearance
[11:26] Viale Linden The editor will review submissions to the DG. They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial.
[11:26] Viale Linden That is what Classifieds are for
[11:26] Counter Landfall Home and Garden 21174
[11:26] Huntress Catteneo a lot now I see are hunts
[11:26] Counter Landfall heh, why does not that apply to non adult?
[11:26] Ann Otoole you mean like "clubs" that are really shopping malls?
[11:26] Counter Landfall the calssifieds listed there
[11:26] Innula Zenovka adult fashions and commerce -- surely that's for commerical stuff?
[11:27] Aelfwine Crystal How and to who does one submit a Destination?
[11:27] Viale Linden Let me get you the form
[11:27] Aelfwine Crystal Thank you
[11:27] Counter Landfall there are 241 places listed under clothing in DG
[11:27] Qie So far, they've been pretty liberal with DG, Adult or not.
[11:28] Innula Zenovka could you please explain about "They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial." viale?
[11:28] Huntress Catteneo and when form fails just email >:)
[11:28] Counter Landfall 50 lications for skins and shapes
[11:28] Counter Landfall I guess they are all commercial?
[11:28] Viale Linden Here is a comprehensive FAQ on Destination Guide questions. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Destination_Guide_FAQ
[11:28] Aelfwine Crystal Seems Fashion and Jewelry already are commercial
[11:28] Aelfwine Crystal Thank you Vaile
[11:29] Innula Zenovka if Vesta and I do put our place in, we'd want it to be in "Fashions and Commerce" along with the other animation shops
[11:29] Viale Linden if you have any questions that are not answered - Brett Linden who visited a couple weeks ago can answer your questions - editor@lindenlab.com
[11:30] Aelfwine Crystal Aelfwine Crystal nods

[11:30] Viale Linden I think this is a small step, but a big one
[11:30] Viale Linden SL is a platform for self-expression and adult can live up there right next to academc showcase
[11:31] Viale Linden I have taken your feedback over the last 8-12 weeks and have made a lot of progress internally in terms of bringing your value forward
[11:32] Viale Linden many of you have been very insightful
[11:32] Counter Landfall keep it up ;-)
[11:33] Amo Paine you are doing a good job, viale, i believe
[11:33] Viale Linden Given the History, we need to think these things outbefore being tactical
[11:33] Huntress Catteneo I know Gina submitted updated proposal
[11:34] Viale Linden I have very impressed with the Adult content folks. You all have alot of integrity and want this to succeed.
[11:34] Viale Linden Your passion has been noted with execs at the lab
[11:35] Amo Paine flatter will keep me happy
[11:35] Huntress Catteneo means little to me, action is good though
[11:35] Viale Linden I did receive Gina's proposal.
[11:35] Innula Zenovka what happens next with the adult content gateway proposals, viale.. do LL just review them and then announce which one has been selected?
[11:36] Viale Linden Yes, we will review and start integrating into our promotions for adult content
[11:37] Viale Linden However, I want yall to know the DG also provides you equal ground
[11:37] Viale Linden I really dont wnat the AC gateway to be Linden ruled
[11:38] Viale Linden This is a solution to the status quo that stagnated this groups thought around Zindra SIm and Events sanctioned by LL
[11:38] Counter Landfall Let me ask again, have you made any projectsions of how much traffic you will send in that direction?
[11:38] Innula Zenovka i think having it owned and run by residents is a very good idea, myself
[11:39] Viale Linden Yes, I have very careful to stay out of the process with some of the RFPs
[11:39] Viale Linden I want them to welcome folks and provide a gateway for others to advertisie, but beyond that I am staying out of designs
[11:41] Viale Linden I think this group has come a long way from discussions about the name of zindra sim
[11:42] Huntress Catteneo always the sticky point in my mind, determining who does or doesn't get to advertise etc
[11:42] Counter Landfall I think most of us ended that discussion in Sept 2009
[11:42] Viale Linden Counter ~ So I want to do a larger email to active 18 yr olds that have not age verfied and a follow up promoting AC
[11:42] Counter Landfall sounds very good
[11:42] Viale Linden Then if that works out
[11:42] Counter Landfall I welcome that
[11:43] Viale Linden I want to automate the age verification step via email to new users
[11:43] Counter Landfall ok, but don't they confirm age on signup?
[11:43] Viale Linden we will tes, test and refine
[11:44] Viale Linden Flows will improve over time, but as you know dev has a lot on its plate
[11:45] Viale Linden We will try to help via email
[11:45] Innula Zenovka yeah, Counter, but i think this is confirming that, as well as being eligable to see adult content, you want to.. correct me, please, viale, if i am mistaken.. which i see as a big boost cos it tells people, right at sign up, that we're here and they might want to see more
[11:45] Counter Landfall the algorithm is. If signup is over 18 write age verified = true to database on signup along with any other info
[11:45] Counter Landfall the only thing they have to do is set a pref
[11:46] Viale Linden We have that extra step to age verfiy, so users can control the content they are about to see
[11:46] Viale Linden Just like onn the web
[11:46] Counter Landfall no (on)
[11:46] Counter Landfall that is not age verification
[11:46] Counter Landfall that is setting a pref in the viewer
[11:47] Counter Landfall the age verification step is confirm age 18 or higher
[11:47] Viale Linden Yes, that pref in the viewer needs to be made into a onse step
[11:47] Counter Landfall which they do on signup
[11:47] Viale Linden I think that is good feedback
[11:48] Viale Linden counter - we cannot go a week without that discussion.
[11:48] Viale Linden Now I knwo it is Monday
[11:48] Viale Linden lol
[11:48] Amo Paine lol
[11:48] Counter Landfall I am only trying to get you to see that you already do the age verify on initial signup
[11:48] Huntress Catteneo Counter, your idea always seems to be force as many into adult as possible, some would complain to LL about that for sure
[11:49] Counter Landfall setting the pref in the viewer is the confirmation stefp of what they want to see
[11:49] Viale Linden I think counter just wants the experience to be a smooth flow with out so many bandaids
[11:49] Viale Linden I agree
[11:49] Counter Landfall and it should defualt to G+M as it does now
[11:50] Viale Linden Rob is a big advocate of flow and changing the age verification flow in Late June was a 1st step
[11:50] Aelfwine Crystal Step one, sign up, saying you're 18 when you sign the TOS, Step 2, click "I'm over 18" under age verification, Step 3, change the viewer settings. It is rather a lot
[11:50] Viale Linden The old flow required a few aspirin
[11:50] Counter Landfall step to is redundant
[11:51] Counter Landfall two?
[11:51] Aelfwine Crystal That is IF the TOS reflects the over 18 thing, now
[11:51] Viale Linden The old flow made it tough for 40 yr olds
[11:52] Viale Linden So any events or updates you would like to share before we end
[11:53] Huntress Catteneo if I wasn't half asleep yes
[11:53] Viale Linden go ahead Huntress
[11:53] Viale Linden I am sorry for boring you
[11:53] Huntress Catteneo no is 4.23am here
[11:54] Zada Bury no boreing here ... only problem solveing in IM (no boreing here ... only problem in solveing ??IM)
[11:54] Huntress Catteneo and I have had 4 hrs sleep in last 72
[11:54] Viale Linden ahhh
[11:54] Zada Bury *hands a "red bull" *
[11:54] Huntress Catteneo so nodding off a bit
[11:54] Viale Linden nice
[11:54] Huntress Catteneo oh ick lol
[11:55] Huntress Catteneo and I already have the wings lol
[11:55] Amo Paine you look good when you are nodding off
[11:55] Viale Linden where is my friend Evelyn?
[11:55] Huntress Catteneo normally tempy keeps me awake
[11:55] Viale Linden and Ginette?
[11:56] Huntress Catteneo Gina had another meeting
[11:56] Huntress Catteneo rl I think
[11:56] Huntress Catteneo forget what she told me sorry :(
[11:56] Huntress Catteneo just remember she said proposal
[11:57] Viale Linden Ok
[11:57] Viale Linden Take care everyone
[11:57] Qie thanks Viale
[11:58] Viale Linden Thank YOU
[11:58] Innula Zenovka thanks, Viale.. bye for now
[11:58] Zada Bury Same to you, Viale.
[11:58] Amo Paine bye, viale (bye, avenue)
[11:58] Viale Linden Look forward to seeeing you all next week
[11:58] Viale Linden Bye
[11:58] Innula Zenovka see you then
[11:58] Zada Bury *waves*
[11:58] Angelena Collins thank you and bye for now
[11:58] Dancer Greenfield Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[11:59] Counter Landfall Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[11:59] Huntress Catteneo this time sooo kills me
[11:59] Zada Bury Better not look on your Bed, Huntress ....
[11:59] Zada Bury ... in bed the most poeple die. (... in the bed most of the poeple.)
[11:59] Huntress Catteneo wish so much was not US centric
[12:00] Viale Linden we should consider another time next week - lets discuss
[12:00] Zada Bury Now you know, how I have feel along the 2 weeks pre-party time ... ^.^
[12:00] Viale Linden many of you are abroad
[12:00] Huntress Catteneo in my bed is warm body waiting to wrap around me
[12:00] Innula Zenovka this is a good time for Europeans, of course
[12:00] Viale Linden Good night Huntress
[12:00] Counter Landfall Perfect time for Europe
[12:00] Huntress Catteneo oh I always know Zada
[12:01] Zada Bury Perfect for europe, yessss ^_^
[12:01] Huntress Catteneo gf is French
[12:01] Viale Linden Take care Amo
[12:01] Amo Paine i think this is the best compromise for europe and the americas
[12:01] Zada Bury sweet dreams, Huntress ... about kangaroos ... and fluffy rabbits ... and ... poison spiters ... and so on.
[12:01] Counter Landfall it can be an hour later, but not much more than that