User:Andrew Linden/Office Hours/2010 08 13

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[15:56]	Name Pinger:	Listening for "ardy" - Click to disable.
[15:56]	Moon Metty:	that was an arrival without freeze :)
[15:57]	xstorm Radek:	ooopppsss
[15:57]	Moon Metty:	hmmm a late freeze lol
[15:57]	Moon Metty:	hi Psi :)
[15:57]	Ardy Lay:	I made a freeze???
[15:57]	xstorm Radek:	hi psi
[15:57]	Moon Metty:	only very short
[15:57]	DogWomble Dollinger:	yeah, you iced up the sim :p
[15:57]	xstorm Radek:	hi Ardy
[15:57]	Ardy Lay:	How long?
[15:57]	Moon Metty:	oh, just 1 second
[15:57]	xstorm Radek:	Ardy this is Nightshade
[15:58]	Ardy Lay:	Oh, was probably all my prims.
[15:59]	Atheist Monk:	much better
[15:59]	xstorm Radek:	i hope im not sitting on any one
[15:59]	Liisa Runo:	/me whispers: hi all
[15:59]	Atheist Monk:	kal coming?
[15:59]	Ardy Lay:	Somebody beeping?
[15:59]	Moon Metty:	that's the agent beeper
[16:00]	xstorm Radek:	no its the unet telling us of agents
[16:00]	Atheist Monk:	i keep sl muted, interferes with my hanson mp3s
[16:00]	Moon Metty:	hehe
[16:00]	Atheist Monk:	hey oldman
[16:00]	Press Page	Up to move chair up, or Page Down to move chair down
[16:00]	Atheist Monk:	hi liisa
[16:00]	Press Page	Up to move chair up, or Page Down to move chair down
[16:00]	Ardy Lay:	Hi Andrew
[16:00]	Moon Metty:	hey andrew
[16:00]	Kaluura Boa:	Hi Monk
[16:00]	Press Page	Up to move chair up, or Page Down to move chair down
[16:00]	Ardy Lay:	Hi Simon
[16:00]	DogWomble Dollinger:	hey simon
[16:00]	xstorm Radek:	hi Andrew
[16:00]	Moon Metty:	Simon :)
[16:00]	DogWomble Dollinger:	and hi andrew
[16:00]	xstorm Radek:	hi simon
[16:00]	Kaluura Boa:	Hi everybody too
[16:00]	Sindra Aquila:	hi andrew and others
[16:00]	Simon Linden:	Hello
[16:01]	Atheist Monk:	you need yellow socks, andrew
[16:01]	Elisha Richez:	lol
[16:01]	Andrew Linden:	Hello
[16:01]	Sindra Aquila:	hi simon
[16:01]	xstorm Radek:	oh and thank you simon for the help on that crossing jira
[16:01]	Simon Linden:	sure, we're hoping to chip away at that crossing lag
[16:02]	xstorm Radek:	well if any one crys about that ship they can tell them to talk to the maker
[16:02]	xstorm Radek:	400 scripts is a bit heavy
[16:02]	Andrew Linden:	Lessee... news. My mind is blank...
[16:02]	Simon Linden:	very true
[16:02]	Andrew Linden:	I was too deep in the coding state right before this meeting.
[16:02]	Atheist Monk:	llSLPF
[16:03]	Liisa Runo:	+P
[16:03]	Atheist Monk:	yes, ty
[16:03]	Moon Metty:	what were you coding?
[16:03]	DogWomble Dollinger:	/me offers andrew some caffiene
[16:03]	xstorm Radek:	do you think i can get a hold of a new train simon for testing ?
[16:03]	DogWomble Dollinger:	i've got plenty here :)
[16:03]	xstorm Radek:	my trains date bad to far
[16:04]	Andrew Linden:	I started off trying to merge several finished projects into one testable codebase
[16:04]	xstorm Radek:	back
[16:04]	Atheist Monk:	i have tiwsted law's train if you'd like it, full mod
[16:04]	Andrew Linden:	but decided to advance one of the projects further
[16:04]	xstorm Radek:	yes please on aditi thank you
[16:04]	Andrew Linden:	and got caught up in a bunch of cleanup
[16:04]	Atheist Monk:	let me log other account on, brb
[16:04]	Simon Linden:	I don't remember using trains lately
[16:04]	Atheist Monk:	oh, on aditi
[16:04]	xstorm Radek:	i will mirror my self
[16:04]	Atheist Monk:	i'll send it to you here, you can transfer
[16:05]	xstorm Radek:	ok thank you
[16:05]	Andrew Linden:	to the point where I was considering blowing away the old "child agents" and storing them as a different data structure
[16:05]	Moon Metty:	oh!
[16:05]	Andrew Linden:	(that idea should scare Simon ;-)
[16:05]	xstorm Radek:	? can you do that Andrew ?
[16:06]	Andrew Linden:	I think so. I'll probably bang on the code for a few hours more to see if it is realy feasible.
[16:06]	Andrew Linden:	s/realy/really/
[16:06]	Rex Cronon:	hello everybody
[16:06]	Simon Linden:	That'd be pretty deep brain surgery on our simulators :)
[16:06]	Andrew Linden:	Anyway, I don't have much news but here is what I can remember...
[16:07]	Andrew Linden:	SVC-93 is actually code complete and reviewed. I just have to get it tested
[16:07]	ROTATION and	llSetRot incorrectly implemented for child prims
[16:07]	Moon Metty:	:D
[16:07]	Andrew Linden:	I'll add some comments to that jira and SVC-129 this weekend
[16:07]	ROTATION and	PRIM_LOCAL_POSITION to complement llGetLocalRot() and llGetLocalPos()
[16:07]	Kaluura Boa:	Damn SVC-93 was old
[16:07]	Andrew Linden:	Simon announced in a meeting today that we're probably going to do a sprint on region crossing optimizations soon
[16:08]	Andrew Linden:	our sprints are 3 weeks long, and the next one starts next week.
[16:08]	Andrew Linden:	(in particular I'm talking about the "performance" team that Simon and I are on)
[16:08]	Kaluura Boa:	Please, tell me you used shorter names than "PRIM_LOCAL_ROTATION"... llSLPPF() is already a mouthful...
[16:09]	Andrew Linden:	Yeah. PRIM_ROT_LOCAL Kalurra. I gave in at the last minute.
[16:09]	Kaluura Boa:	Thanks a lot!
[16:09]	xstorm Radek:	i just had a rotation error crash
[16:09]	Andrew Linden:	the LSL API is just so bad, you have to make sad compromises
[16:09]	xstorm Radek:	did that not get fix ?
[16:09]	Atheist Monk:	did you get the train, xstorm?
[16:09]	Quake Monitor:	M 2.5, Southern California - 33.202°N 115.574°W - Friday, August 13, 2010 23:04:09 UTC
[16:10]	Sindra Aquila:	has any been done to make a resizer funtion that resizes child prims too, so there is no need for 1000 resizer scripts in things like hair?
[16:10]	xstorm Radek:	im looking
[16:11]	Liisa Runo:	has anyone told the hair creators that making the hair no-mod dont prevent ppl stealing the hair
[16:11]	Andrew Linden:	Nothing has been done there Sindra, however I think I could actually implement that "whole object uniform scale" feature these days
[16:11]	xstorm Radek:	yes i have it thank you
[16:11]	Andrew Linden:	I'll try to keep it on my short list of fun side projects.
[16:11]	xstorm Radek:	i will have it moved to aditi
[16:12]	Sindra Aquila:	well, it might help along the sims crossing also by far less scripts on ppl
[16:12]	xstorm Radek:	why do i no longer see simon ?
[16:12]	Simon Linden:	cmd: invisibility cloak on
[16:13]	Sindra Aquila:	tarn cap?
[16:13]	Andrew Linden:	Heh... the mention of the "uniform scale" feature reminds me of something...
[16:13]	xstorm Radek:	ol
[16:13]	Simon Linden:	not sure ... I've just been sitting here
[16:14]	Sindra Aquila:	i see youm, but have set renderunlaoded avatars to true
[16:14]	Andrew Linden:	today in an internal meeting it was mentioned that LL is going to try to track down all of it's primary communication channels and try to suggest some improved talking points...
[16:14]	Andrew Linden:	in particular, we're supposed to try to talk less about projects that we haven't actually allocated any resources toward
[16:14]	Kaluura Boa:	Pity...
[16:14]	xstorm Radek:	??
[16:15]	Andrew Linden:	when I heard that I thought, "Well, no point in me holding office hours!" ;-)
[16:15]	Atheist Monk:	kinda like the US taking over analog air
[16:15]	xstorm Radek:	i see no simon
[16:15]	Andrew Linden:	since that is about all I talk about
[16:15]	Andrew Linden:	stuff we'd like to do, might do, but don't actually have time to do
[16:15]	Rex Cronon:	u guys don't know what your primary com channels r?
[16:15]	Moon Metty:	hmmm
[16:16]	Simon Linden:	Maybe we'll just have to phrase things a bit more careful to keep 'em happy, like "gee, wouldn't it be nice if we had..."
[16:16]	Andrew Linden:	Well, these office hours are more about what Simeon and I are working on than what the company is working on.
[16:16]	xstorm Radek:	ok thats is odd i can no longer find simon in search
[16:16]	Simon Linden:	/me checks his job status
[16:16]	Moon Metty:	:)
[16:17]	Atheist Monk:	try, 'Blue Mars has this feature....'
[16:17]	Andrew Linden:	Nevertheless it is is by definition an "official communication channel", since we're LL employees.
[16:17]	xstorm Radek:	i think its my end again simon
[16:17]	Simon Linden:	in any case, that's odd
[16:17]	Youri Ashton:	i find simon just perfectly
[16:17]	Andrew Linden:	Hehe, you guys are messing with Simon right?
[16:17]	Techwolf Lupindo:	xstorm, you have a crappy connection. Stop reporting bugs agains it.
[16:17]	xstorm Radek:	no
[16:17]	Andrew Linden:	I think he's not paying attention ;-)
[16:18]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[16:18]	xstorm Radek:	some thing wrong with my client again
[16:18]	xstorm Radek:	not funny
[16:18]	Atheist Monk:	viewer 2?
[16:18]	Rex Cronon:	i think xstorm is having some problems
[16:18]	xstorm Radek:	hard to work with that bug
[16:18]	Moon Metty:	well, i think these office hours are often valuable
[16:18]	DogWomble Dollinger:	rex, he's doing better than me :) i am a problem :P
[16:19]	Rex Cronon:	u r?
[16:19]	Moon Metty:	it's a chance to brainstorm
[16:19]	Techwolf Lupindo:	Try logging off, wait 30 minutes to allow your connection rest and get back in good heath, then log into SL.
[16:19]	DogWomble Dollinger:	well, in the sense i like to poke fun at myself....
[16:19]	Simon Linden:	I agree, and I'm pretty sure we'll be able to keep going with them. I really learn a lot about how everyone uses SL in different ways
[16:19]	Andrew Linden:	What is this running plot Moon Metty?
[16:19]	Atheist Monk:	i've been using it to find a younger wife
[16:19]	Andrew Linden:	What does blue and red mean?
[16:20]	Moon Metty:	oh, that's a freeze averager
[16:20]	Sindra Aquila:	it might help to maintain a feeling of what really happens, what users do in sl
[16:20]	Moon Metty:	it measures the percentage of time a region has been frozen
[16:20]	Andrew Linden:	red is instantaneous and blue is average?
[16:20]	Moon Metty:	it's a tool to determine when a region needs a restart
[16:20]	Moon Metty:	yes
[16:20]	Moon Metty:	blue is average
[16:21]	Techwolf Lupindo:	Hmm...it dip with xstorm.
[16:21]	Moon Metty:	it now uses the fast prim params
[16:21]	DogWomble Dollinger:	moon, how do people get copies of said graphing machine?
[16:22]	xstorm Radek:	thats a odd crash
[16:22]	DogWomble Dollinger:	thanks moon :D
[16:22]	xstorm Radek:	ok simon is back thats good
[16:22]	Simon Linden:	that shows the lag events for rezzing, tps, etc pretty well
[16:22]	xstorm Radek:	and search is working again
[16:22]	Andrew Linden:	The graph reminds me of something another LL dev was talking about today. He wants to provide region simulator performance graphs over a web interface.
[16:22]	Andrew Linden:	For estate owners.
[16:23]	Moon Metty:	yes, i started making the graph when mono was stil on aditi :)
[16:23]	Sindra Aquila:	good idea
[16:23]	Andrew Linden:	I should mention: he isn't actually working on that, but was kicking the idea around.
[16:23]	Moon Metty:	in fact, the graph was how i discovered the mono freezes
[16:23]	Moon Metty:	before they were noticable
[16:24]	Rex Cronon:	if we had a lsl functions that given a users key could tell how many scripts is running in attachments...
[16:24]	Sindra Aquila:	did you discover differences bewteen pl with lots of scripts and prims on them?
[16:27]	Name Pinger:	Listening for "ardy" - Click to disable.
[16:28]	Moon Metty:	hmmm
[16:28]	Ardy Lay:	Look at the chairs.
[16:28]	Moon Metty:	lol
[16:28]	Moon Metty:	the region crashed?
[16:28]	DogWomble Dollinger:	did anyone else just get logged out?
[16:28]	Moon Metty:	aha
[16:28]	Moon Metty:	yes the region crashed
[16:28]	DogWomble Dollinger:	:)]
[16:28]	Sindra Aquila:	interesting
[16:28]	Atheist Monk:	keeee-rash
[16:28]	Press Page	Up to move chair up, or Page Down to move chair down
[16:28]	Moon Metty:	and some scripts stopped working?
[16:29]	Press Page	Up to move chair up, or Page Down to move chair down
[16:29]	Moon Metty:	oh no
[16:29]	Press Page	Up to move chair up, or Page Down to move chair down
[16:29]	Rex Cronon:	what happened
[16:29]	Rex Cronon:	?
[16:29]	DogWomble Dollinger:	ok, i'm lagging horribly, but i'm guessing that's likely because everyone's coming back 9in
[16:29]	Moon Metty:	back to normal
[16:29]	Ardy Lay:	Rex, don't do that. ;-)
[16:29]	Youri Ashton:	ugh, and again it kicked me off :(
[16:29]	DogWomble Dollinger:	the whole sim went it seem
[16:29]	Andrew Linden:	The region crashed.
[16:29]	Kaluura Boa:	The region crashed?
[16:29]	Atheist Monk:	that was weird, it sent my cam to a cube underground(below us) then lagged out
[16:29]	Psi Merlin:	Region restarted
[16:30]	Rex Cronon:	i am supposed not to do what, ardy?
[16:30]	Ardy Lay:	xstorm set properties funny on the box that was on the table.
[16:30]	DogWomble Dollinger:	ok, has everybody survived the great denby crash of 2010?
[16:30]	Andrew Linden:	It was a crash, but I don't yet know what caused it.
[16:30]	Atheist Monk:	the cube is gone now
[16:30]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[16:30]	Ardy Lay:	Rex, just teasing you.
[16:30]	xstorm Radek:	see moon i was right about the restart lol
[16:30]	Atheist Monk:	the cube looked like a screenshot of OH
[16:30]	xstorm Radek:	my stats work better
[16:30]	Moon Metty:	lol xstorm
[16:31]	xstorm Radek:	looks like the sim is working right now
[16:31]	Ardy Lay:	xstorm, what did you do to that cube that was on the table? You just set it to physical and volume detect, right?
[16:31]	Youri Ashton:	x... have a new type anim?
[16:31]	Youri Ashton:	if not, then your arms were all over the place during typing
[16:32]	Youri Ashton:	and again i see it
[16:32]	Rex Cronon:	lol
[16:32]	Ardy Lay:	Heh, yes, he has a "flail" animation for typing.
[16:32]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[16:32]	xstorm Radek:	i was looking at physics do tothe errors i was getting so i did set cube to physics and it did not work right
[16:32]	Youri Ashton:	and experts tell me i have a bit of ADHD... lol
[16:32]	Andrew Linden:	Interesting... the simulator logs were full of some repeated events... somethgin about dropping a dead agent repeatedly
[16:33]	Moon Metty:	huh?
[16:33]	Ardy Lay:	Hmm... anybody we know?
[16:33]	Kaluura Boa:	hehehe
[16:33]	xstorm Radek:	oh Moon what did you do lol
[16:33]	Moon Metty:	i didn't do it!!1!
[16:33]	xstorm Radek:	lol
[16:33]	DogWomble Dollinger:	yeah, it was me
[16:33]	Youri Ashton:	moon is a sweety :p
[16:33]	Andrew Linden:	I wonder if it got caught in a weird state that was causing it to leak memory.
[16:33]	DogWomble Dollinger:	i think i was facing the wrong way when the winds came through
[16:34]	xstorm Radek:	yes it was doing that when i got to the sim thats why i asked moon
[16:34]	Andrew Linden:	Oh well, the callstack is not yet available. Maybe I'll look at it later.
[16:34]	Atheist Monk:	last i saw:
[16:34]	Atheist Monk:	2010-08-13T23:27:01Z INFO: LLNotificationHistoryChannel::savePersistentNotifications: Saving open notifications to C:Documents and SettingsmeApplication DataSecondLifeuser_settingsopen_notifications.x ml
[16:34]	xstorm Radek:	if she was getting any thing odd
[16:34]	Rex Cronon:	for a sec i thought that whatever xstorm is haveing is catching:)
[16:34]	Youri Ashton:	viewer closed completely for me, no notice or anything
[16:35]	Rex Cronon:	having*
[16:35]	DogWomble Dollinger:	xstorm, when was the last time you ran a virus scan on your pc? rex sounds like he's caught one from it :P
[16:35]	xstorm Radek:	every thing looks fine now
[16:35]	xstorm Radek:	lol
[16:35]	Rex Cronon:	lol. i didn't get anything
[16:35]	Simon Linden:	Looking at the logs, I'm pretty sure that crash we just experiences is fixed for 1.42
[16:35]	xstorm Radek:	Dog a virus will not do that lol
[16:35]	DogWomble Dollinger:	haha
[16:36]	Andrew Linden:	1.42 will pilot next week. Still on schedule for the 18th I think.
[16:36]	Andrew Linden:	Let me double-check the email.
[16:36]	Simon Linden:	yep, next Wednesday
[16:36]	xstorm Radek:	it is just one of the problems i found on Aditi
[16:36]	xstorm Radek:	it will be fix
[16:36]	Andrew Linden:	Yup. 18th.
[16:36]	xstorm Radek:	every thing looks good now
[16:36]	Youri Ashton:	oh, talking about problems x, did you see that odd bug again that i sended you over notecard?
[16:37]	Andrew Linden:	Arwan, we see the light.
[16:37]	Andrew Linden:	Arawn I mean.
[16:37]	Liisa Runo:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Beta_Server/1.42 // http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/1.42
[16:37]	xstorm Radek:	no sorry i am no longer seeing that bu now
[16:37]	Youri Ashton:	then my idea about it being a server thing might be not far off
[16:37]	xstorm Radek:	i think it is sim related
[16:37]	Youri Ashton:	i didnt update and i didnt see it
[16:38]	Youri Ashton:	i seen it happen on both mainland as islands
[16:38]	Youri Ashton:	but again, it might be my suggestion on server problems
[16:38]	xstorm Radek:	hi Arawn
[16:38]	xstorm Radek:	Arawn did you have any problems with sim crossing ?
[16:39]	Youri Ashton:	or sim problems in general
[16:39]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me's wondering why he rezzed in the mddle of longfellow: I've such lag, I had to teleport after crossing
[16:39]	Youri Ashton:	crashing without warning or worn prims falling or getting invisible
[16:39]	xstorm Radek:	all im looking in to is sim crossing problems
[16:40]	xstorm Radek:	network timing problems may be ?
[16:41]	Andrew Linden:	If I recall correctly Arawn you hang out here with about 3fps on your viewer. Is that right?
[16:41]	Youri Ashton:	i discovered it aint just sim crossings, for some odd reason the viewer doesnt get enough info from the servers, which on turn show odd things
[16:41]	xstorm Radek:	OMG!!
[16:41]	Youri Ashton:	last time i seen it was a few days ago
[16:41]	xstorm Radek:	3fps ?
[16:41]	Youri Ashton:	start of the week
[16:41]	Arawn Spitteler:	4fps, is what I get, when I'm not really lagy
[16:42]	xstorm Radek:	?
[16:42]	xstorm Radek:	why ?
[16:42]	Youri Ashton:	24 fps for me
[16:42]	Atheist Monk:	win 3.1? 8088?
[16:42]	Andrew Linden:	I'm currently at 24fps, using viewer-2.1.1 at the lowest graphics settings
[16:42]	DogWomble Dollinger:	athiest, 640k is enough for everybody :P
[16:42]	Andrew Linden:	all the dots on Moon's graph just disappeared at lowest settings.
[16:42]	Youri Ashton:	i did however turn everything basically to minimum
[16:42]	Sindra Aquila:	22 for me on snowglobe
[16:42]	Andrew Linden:	Arawn, what viewer are you using?
[16:42]	Atheist Monk:	13fpd with all graphics maxed...1024m draw distance
[16:43]	Bronson Blackadder:	26.7
[16:43]	Psi Merlin:	Saw a small oddity today - I restarted Snark, it appeared as normal then 'blinked out' for a few seconds before reappering and running as usual.
[16:43]	Youri Ashton:	Second Life 2.1.0 (207030) Jul 16 2010 12:08:58 (Second Life Release)
[16:43]	Kaluura Boa:	15.5 with settings beyond ultra... on Imprudence
[16:43]	xstorm Radek:	thats good stats
[16:43]	Andrew Linden:	Youri, you should try the 2.1.1 beta. It should provide a speed increase for you and be more stable.
[16:44]	Youri Ashton:	my bandwidth is pretty much none excisting
[16:44]	Arawn Spitteler:	SL2, atm.
[16:44]	Youri Ashton:	50-60kbps
[16:44]	xstorm Radek:	we will need to chat arawn
[16:44]	Youri Ashton:	evne though i should be acing it
[16:44]	Arawn Spitteler:	2.3 fps
[16:44]	Atheist Monk:	ouch
[16:44]	xstorm Radek:	you need a better server
[16:44]	xstorm Radek:	ooopppsss pc
[16:44]	Youri Ashton:	as i said before, my provider likes to play with wires
[16:45]	Sindra Aquila:	any chance that #lines will be back in v2 and all text in mouselook plaina in left corner as in snowglobe?
[16:45]	Youri Ashton:	they keep pulling the dman plugs
[16:45]	Youri Ashton:	or saying you pay for 20mb down, but actually getting 1mb
[16:45]	Andrew Linden:	No Sindra I doubt it. They really focused on increasing frame rate and fewer crashes in 2.1.1
[16:45]	Liisa Runo:	all setting maxed exept draw distance at 260meters. 20FPS when spinning cam around the crowd, 48FPS when spinning cam around but avoiding agents
[16:45]	Andrew Linden:	very few UI changes
[16:45]	xstorm Radek:	i thik LL caps me at times lol
[16:45]	Andrew Linden:	those are next, I think.
[16:45]	Youri Ashton:	i didnt choose to get a new provider for nothing ;)
[16:46]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me's moved to Comcast Country
[16:46]	xstorm Radek:	there client is to slow it needs higher bandwith above 900
[16:46]	Andrew Linden:	Hrm... I think I've got an old computer and video card. The comp is about 4 years old now.
[16:46]	Youri Ashton:	mine about the same
[16:47]	Atheist Monk:	i live in the sticks, not many rednecks with pcs, so i get all the andwidth
[16:47]	Youri Ashton:	CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz (2671.61 MHz) Memory: 4095 MB
[16:47]	xstorm Radek:	Andrew if you have the money i can build you the best system
[16:47]	Youri Ashton:	yes i know it could be better, but i simply do not have the money to do so
[16:47]	Andrew Linden:	hehe, some of the newer "sticks" to get broadband have the latest cabling... fiber
[16:48]	Atheist Monk:	;)
[16:48]	xstorm Radek:	yes optic fiber is it
[16:48]	Andrew Linden:	it looks like they were putting fiber into the ground out some sticks of the Sierra Nevada I was visiting.
[16:48]	Youri Ashton:	i do however getting a new laptop next week, new pc is planned for next year
[16:48]	Simon Linden:	At least you have a core duo ... we get way too many people trying out SL from their new netbooks :(
[16:48]	Sindra Aquila:	wilkl glassfiber really increase sl performance?
[16:48]	DogWomble Dollinger:	netbooks .... gloridied word processors :D
[16:48]	xstorm Radek:	i have a low end server
[16:48]	DogWomble Dollinger:	*glorified
[16:48]	Youri Ashton:	(for those wanting to know what I will be buying: http://www.mycom.nl/Product/Notebook/Acer-Aspire-AS7551GP324G50MN-P320/286133 )
[16:49]	xstorm Radek:	CPU: Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1352 (2100.42 MHz) Memory: 8192 MB
[16:49]	Sindra Aquila:	any good gfuess what glassfiber will do more?
[16:49]	xstorm Radek:	2 cpus
[16:49]	xstorm Radek:	2 video cards
[16:49]	Atheist Monk:	i have the same, vidcard, xstrom...1gig
[16:49]	Andrew Linden:	hrm... at "Mid" graphics settings I get 7 fps.
[16:49]	Atheist Monk:	nvidia chip on motherboard to help vid card
[16:49]	xstorm Radek:	,?
[16:49]	xstorm Radek:	im on ultra
[16:49]	Youri Ashton:	im saving for a monster machine, so that will have to wait a bit untill i have the money
[16:50]	Atheist Monk:	CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2666 MHz) Memory: 3327 MB
[16:50]	Rex Cronon:	if xstorm is having problems with that i guess i should consider myself lucky
[16:50]	Youri Ashton:	and... next pc will be NVIDIA like i used to have, never had problems with that
[16:50]	Sindra Aquila:	anybody with experience with glassfiber
[16:50]	Atheist Monk:	i've cut/polixhed my share
[16:50]	xstorm Radek:	next year i will get a new system
[16:50]	Youri Ashton:	sorry sindra, cant say i do
[16:50]	Atheist Monk:	...in the army
[16:51]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me could use some help networking a printer, later.
[16:51]	Sindra Aquila:	as a guess would it help?
[16:51]	Youri Ashton:	google it is only thing i can say atm :)
[16:51]	xstorm Radek:	im looking at a new ib x server with the new supper flop
[16:51]	xstorm Radek:	its sweet
[16:51]	Youri Ashton:	im not going to say something if i really have no clue about it :)
[16:52]	Andrew Linden:	Sindra, if you could get fiber to your neighborhood then it should help.
[16:52]	Sindra Aquila:	hmm, ok, thanks
[16:52]	Atheist Monk:	i think all new areas that get cable get fiber
[16:52]	Andrew Linden:	Basically, more bandwidth for a more affodable price. That is what I would expect fiber would provide.
[16:52]	xstorm Radek:	i had to pay to get ADSL put in to our town
[16:52]	Liisa Runo:	help what? make SL load faster? i though LL servers limit the speed. so having fast internet dont help at all
[16:52]	Youri Ashton:	i know that some internet providers are installing it all over the country here, but it might be a while for me
[16:52]	Simon Linden:	I need to convince the phone company to run new lines where I live, but it's 2 miles to the fiber. :(
[16:53]	DogWomble Dollinger:	you guys are all doing better than australia
[16:53]	Atheist Monk:	ugh, i had DSL years ago after having cable, it blew
[16:53]	Andrew Linden:	yes Youri, but the fiber will tend to eliminate any bottlenecks in your neighborhood.
[16:53]	Youri Ashton:	the gouvernment buildings in my region alrady have it
[16:53]	DogWomble Dollinger:	we've only started rolling out fibre in the last few months, and the election next weekend may change that entirely
[16:54]	Sindra Aquila:	i am condisdering to get it, likely will say yes
[16:54]	Youri Ashton:	andrew, the netherlands is pretty much ahead on most tech ;)
[16:54]	Sindra Aquila:	lol
[16:54]	xstorm Radek:	for me to get fiber to our town i will need to pay the state of CT to do it
[16:54]	Moon Metty:	yes the netherlands is a good place for internet
[16:54]	Youri Ashton:	just takes em to damn long to make decisions
[16:54]	Atheist Monk:	it's pissing comcast/mediacom/cox off that other 3rd party companies have the right to make $ on their equioment/grid
[16:54]	xstorm Radek:	we have to many damn laws about it
[16:55]	Youri Ashton:	all those old guys in the government are too dumb to see the advantages of progress
[16:55]	Atheist Monk:	thought prolly own stock
[16:55]	Youri Ashton:	and no moon, it aint the law that is messing it up :p
[16:55]	Youri Ashton:	just the costs
[16:55]	xstorm Radek:	so i have 2 ADSL units and run shotgun lol
[16:55]	Youri Ashton:	the netherlands doesnt have odd laws like in the US :p
[16:56]	Atheist Monk:	my wife told me if i gave up whiskey, i could use that money to get a T1
[16:56]	Liisa Runo:	Andrew. One day you asked us to send you lag bombs. Looked at them yet?
[16:56]	xstorm Radek:	lol
[16:56]	Sindra Aquila:	no, but then have no government only taxcol;lectors stealing you blind
[16:56]	Mediation Comment:	Incident with 0-day account redacted.
[16:56]	Andrew Linden:	No Liisa, but now that Falcon is back I should at least try some of them out.
[16:57]	Andrew Linden:	I'll make a note. Maybe I can get to it next week.
[16:57]	Kaluura Boa:	=^_^=
[16:57]	Atheist Monk:	oooh, andrew/simon, might i request next week's OH be held in the corn field?
[16:57]	Sindra Aquila:	hmm , not from me
[16:58]	Sindra Aquila:	i mbit it off
[16:58]	Liisa Runo:	maybe not meeting in corn field. but if you ask very politely maybe Andrew or simon can force TP you to the field after this meeting
[17:02]	Simon Linden:	I have to run today ... thanks for all the excitement, I can't remember the last time we had a crash _and_ a griefer in the same office hour :)
[17:03]	Moon Metty:	have a good weekend :)
[17:03]	Rex Cronon:	tc simon
[17:03]	Moon Metty:	anyone attending SLCC?
[17:03]	DogWomble Dollinger:	catchya round simon
[17:03]	Andrew Linden:	Yup, I've got to go
[17:03]	Atheist Monk:	ANDREW
[17:03]	Simon Linden:	Bye everyone, see you next time ... thanks again for coming
[17:03]	Rex Cronon:	tc andrew
[17:03]	Andrew Linden:	anyone seen "Inception"?
[17:03]	Atheist Monk:	tp us to the corn field real quick please
[17:03]	Sindra Aquila:	thanks andrew and simon
[17:03]	xstorm Radek:	thank you simon andandrew
[17:03]	Andrew Linden:	I was thinking about going to see it.
[17:03]	Kaluura Boa:	Nice movie
[17:04]	DogWomble Dollinger:	no i haven't andrew
[17:04]	DogWomble Dollinger:	worth watching tho?
[17:04]	Liisa Runo:	it was ok movie
[17:04]	Atheist Monk:	eh
[17:04]	Atheist Monk:	debbie does SL was better
[17:05]	Ardy Lay:	This "incident" will not be included in the OH transcript.
[17:05]	DogWomble Dollinger:	ardy, why not?
[17:05]	Andrew Linden:	The cornfield seems to be gone from the map
[17:05]	Atheist Monk:	the corn field
[17:05]	Liisa Runo:	is not
[17:05]	Youri Ashton:	cornfield should b ethere
[17:05]	Ardy Lay:	Serves no purpose to include it.
[17:05]	xstorm Radek:	thank you Ardy
[17:05]	Liisa Runo:	http://slurl.com/secondlife/The%20Corn%20Field/125/246/24
[17:06]	Atheist Monk:	ty, liisa
[17:06]	Ardy Lay:	There will be a note at the end, that is all.
[17:06]	Youri Ashton:	was there with Kate's OH some months ago
[17:06]	Andrew Linden:	Oh, there is "The Corn Field"
[17:06]	Moon Metty:	:)
[17:06]	Atheist Monk:	sweet, he headed there
[17:07]	Atheist Monk:	party at the corn field!
[17:07]	Mediation Comment:	Incident with 0-day account redacted.

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