Adult Content User Group/08/22/2011

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Transcript for Monday August 22, 2011

[11:01] Zada Bury adding to the 227 pictures I have to work?
[11:01] Silvanus ha if this isnt rude: fist level LOL
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo only 227?
[11:01] Viale Linden Hi everyone
[11:02] Zada Bury Heya Viale
[11:02] Malarwen hello
[11:02] Innula Zenovka hi, Viale
[11:02] Zada Bury Oh, welcome to a new Linden
[11:02] Hypatia Meili 1st
[11:02] Silvanus hi Viale (hi Avenue)
[11:02] Counter Landfall Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[11:02] Hypatia Meili hi viale (high street)
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo hi Brett
[11:02] Innula Zenovka Hi, Brett
[11:02] Brett hi everyone :)
[11:02] Silvanus Hi Brett
[11:02] Zada Bury WElcome Brett.
[11:02] Kimiko Yiyuan Hello there.
[11:02] draconis.neurocam hello brett
[11:02] Counter Landfall Hi Brett
[11:02] Malarwen tad bit laggy
[11:03] Viale Linden oh - is brett here already
[11:03] Malarwen is Blondin coming today?
[11:03] Hypatia Meili Hypatia Meili wonders what Vaile is lugging about in that bag

[11:03] Viale Linden Slaton is still on vacation
[11:03] Brett hi marc. i'm here :)
[11:03] Huntress Catteneo yeah, little bit of chat lag
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo youd need a tiem machien for that Malarwen (you'd Need a machien for them That Malarwen)
[11:03] Malarwen oh is he gone?
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo yes Malarwen, soem tiem ago
[11:04] Viale Linden I have invited Brett to our meeting to review teh Destinattion Guide and how it can help us promote adult content
[11:04] Malarwen he, i was wondering why i haven't heard from him
[11:04] Malarwen that explains it
[11:04] Viale Linden The Zexpo team is already working with Brett
[11:05] Viale Linden We plan to give you a brief overview and then listen to your needs with the DG
[11:05] Viale Linden Then we will schedule a round trip for Brett
[11:05] Viale Linden Brett - are you ready
[11:05] Brett absolutely! :)
[11:05] Viale Linden Brett Linden!
[11:06] Brett hi everyone - thanks for attending...I work with Viale at LL in the editorial capacity here
[11:06] Brett I'm a Managing Editor working daily on the Destination Guide
[11:06] Brett ...and I want to let you know a bit about what we are up to
[11:06] Brett We are planning to promote in the Destination Guide later this week (right prior to the event) and also we'll have a blog post on the SL Blog, as well for the ZEXPO.
[11:06] Brett (the ZEXPO)
[11:07] Brett I've been working with Ginette on the copy and image already
[11:07] Brett so you'll see that in a few days
[11:07] Brett ...also, I wanted to mention that at LL we are investigating better ways to help integrate Zindra locations into the Destination Guide
[11:07] Viale Linden also adult content in general
[11:08] Brett for today, I'd like to listen to your thoughts so that we can have an internal discussion re: how we might support the adult community
[11:08] Brett on the Destination Guide, in particular
[11:08] Brett then, I think I might be back next week with more concrete info
[11:09] Brett but we are looking at some more support...for example, we've started to include some A-rated regions in the DG already
[11:09] Ginette Pinazzo Zindra help Vortex has bene in theert for a long tiem,...a few months anyway
[11:09] Viale Linden OK
[11:10] Viale Linden this crowd usually has more questions
[11:10] Innula Zenovka is this the guide we see on the new log-in page?
[11:10] Viale Linden good question
[11:11] Brett it is part of it. The DG is seen on the web, in search and now on the login page
[11:11] Brett there are "feeds" that are published multiple places
[11:11] Viale Linden Featured Items will for sure
[11:11] Brett We're still expanding the backend functionality but we do display some it on the login page
[11:12] Viale Linden Innula ~ the login screen is only picked up by V2 right now
[11:12] Malarwen I have a question. Do any Lindens actually have office hours open for any topic where we could bring up certain issues?
[11:12] Viale Linden Hold that thought
[11:12] Hypatia Meili I second that
[11:12] Qie Adult content in the Destination Guide is a very positive development. I wonder, is there any thought of customizing the DG content pushed to specific users? (besides the maturity rating threshold, I mean)
[11:12] Viale Linden Lets stay on topic
[11:12] Kimiko Yiyuan How would Destinations, since I guess we are talking about specific destinations here and not a whole region, actually be pciked, especially since content might be a bit tricky to promote, I assume (otherwise that issue might have been solved long ago)?
[11:12] Silvanus I am sure LL has already some ideas about what should be displayed to Adult-interested residents, who are new to this topic. When its promoted by LL there will some further advices what and how to display I think. To keep it within reason...
[11:12] Brett qie - that is an excellent point...and yes. we are very much thinking about that.
[11:13] Malarwen Viale..i dont' mind staying on topc..just tell me when and where i can talk off topic
[11:13] Qie cool. thanks.
[11:13] Counter Landfall I don't have a question really, but more a comment:
[11:13] Brett that is some of the "new" functionality we are still working on...but we are thinking of that scenario.
[11:13] Brett the key thing we are locking down re: adult content for the DG is the editorial criteria. We editorial curate this content to a wide we are thinking PG-13-ish in terms of image and text descriptions.
[11:14] Innula Zenovka what sort of destinations are you looking for? some of us might want to promote our shops as destinations, but i'm not sure how appropriate you would think that.. though i have seen shops there
[11:14] Brett There are (and always will be) classifieds for paid placement of non-editorially filtered promotion
[11:14] Viale Linden good question innula
[11:14] Hypatia Meili well th search filtering certinly doesnt match PG 13
[11:14] Hypatia Meili its more random
[11:15] Malarwen Brett, Viale...could i get at least an answer? Please?
[11:15] Brett hi innula...for all destinations, we have published criteria that will continue to apply to all-rated regions. one sec for link
[11:15] Kimiko Yiyuan Ah, good.
[11:15] Brett
[11:15] Innula Zenovka thanks
[11:16] Counter Landfall I don't have a question really, but more a comment:
[11:16] Counter Landfall Presence in DG is important, but more important for the 2600 or so adult regions are visibility in search. Which is why we have suggested you make everyone confirm their age, and guide them to set their maturity preferences in the viewer.
[11:17] Brett malarwen - i'll defer to marc re: office hours. i am in the editorial capacity only here.
[11:18] Viale Linden Thanks Brett - lets stay on the DG
[11:18] Brett thank you for your comment, counter.
[11:18] Pagan Sunburn I have a question. I have seen a few place that are adult in nature but advrtise underage roleplay. How will these places be dealt with when they are reported?
[11:19] Brett So one thing I am actively working on are the guidelines for possible includion of more adult content in the DG. Pagan, your ?? is at the heart of that discussion that is underway
[11:20] Pagan Sunburn Okay.
[11:20] Brett The DG is meant for a wide audience at this point, so any A-rated content there would have a PG-13-ish description and image -- nothing explicit.
[11:21] Kimiko Yiyuan So does this mean this place can actually be anywhere on any mainland, and not just Zindra continent?
[11:21] Brett However, as mentioned in chat earlier, LL is investigating better ways to deliver DG content by maturity the immediate opportunity is in moderated "PG-13"-style listings.
[11:22] Silvanus btw. wide audience: are you going to present special topics like informations about gay and other specialized .... too? -> how to keep this PG?
[11:22] Brett As an editor, I review all entry suggestions that come many A-rated regions are not Zindra-specific.
[11:22] Brett yes, to LGBT - we already have that
[11:22] Counter Landfall Well, if you get everyone on the grid to confirm their age and set mautiry you will reach a very wide audience even if you filkter on adult in DG
[11:22] Brett
[11:22] Silvanus ty : ) (Company:))
[11:23] Pagan Sunburn The main concern I have is that the adult sex related places I have seen that advertise the illegal underage roleplay. Isn't that against ToS?
[11:23] Kimiko Yiyuan Alright. Just asking because there was once a time when the plan seems to be to put everything adult on Zindra (private islands excluded). I laways wondered though how this could actually be controlled.
[11:24] Kimiko Yiyuan to have been, even
[11:24] Counter Landfall The key thing here is to enable the audience to search and access adult if they want to
[11:24] Brett I think that is a fair question, Pagan. All I can say is that we intend to keep places listed in the DG compliant with ToS.
[11:24] Storyof Oh i think we know it cannot be controlled
[11:24] Evelynn Kidd PAGAN get off your soap box
[11:24] Counter Landfall and because of your new age verify procedure that is easy for everyone to do now
[11:25] Kimiko Yiyuan Yes, Story, was kind of a rhetoric question.
[11:25] Silvanus I think its up to us residents to keep SL excitements within reason, Storyof
[11:25] Storyof Oh ;)
[11:26] Kimiko Yiyuan So this means that everyone that kind of sticks to the PG - 13 conent description has a chance to end up in the DG, no matter where the place is located.
[11:26] Viale Linden
[11:26] Counter Landfall Pagan, if you feel that there is content of underage nature on the grid, you can also contact your local police about it.
[11:26] Pagan Sunburn Evelynn, I am not saying anything out of the way or offensive so please do not personally attack me or my statements like that.
[11:26] Innula Zenovka i was chatting recently with the owners of a capture RP sim -- a Gor one -- who were wondering about ways to promote themselves.. they might apply for the DG, I guess, but they'd also be worried about lots of people turning up who didn't understand the RP, didn't they're not supposed to start shooting folks with guns and so on.. any suggestions for them?
[11:26] Viale Linden That is a helpful link for Pagan
[11:27] Kimiko Yiyuan I am not really familiar with the PG - 13 criteria.
[11:27] Viale Linden Innula- that is a good example
[11:27] Viale Linden Brett has a hard shutt off at 11:30
[11:27] Brett innula, please encourage them to apply or email
[11:28] Viale Linden we will schedule a round trip for Brett
[11:28] Viale Linden good stuff
[11:28] Innula Zenovka i shall do, Brett..
[11:28] Counter Landfall I invite her to our Sunday group meeting
[11:28] Storyof Oh i thought SL was 16+ now or has that slipped back?
[11:28] Brett Thanks, everyone! I hope to see you again with an update soon :) Thanks!
[11:28] Qie Thanks Brett
[11:28] Innula Zenovka will you be able to help allay their concerns, or suggest ways they might mitigate any potential problems?
[11:28] Viale Linden Brett will try to give some more guidelines based on your feedback
[11:28] Counter Landfall it is every Sunday at noon PDT
[11:29] Zada Bury Before he becomes shooted, better say now "Thank you for your time, Brett. ^_^ "
[11:29] Kimiko Yiyuan Thanks Brett.
[11:29] Brett c ya :) (c ya:))
[11:29] Counter Landfall Thanks Brett
[11:29] Viale Linden Thanks Brett
[11:29] Pagan Sunburn Thanks Brett, I hope you look ove the logs when you are done here.
[11:29] Silvanus thank you , Brett
[11:29] Innula Zenovka thanks, Brett
[11:29] Counter Landfall brb
[11:30] Counter Landfall back
[11:30] Viale Linden Malarwen - is your question related to the Adult User Group?
[11:31] Huntress Catteneo damn call for help at vortex
[11:31] Malarwen no, my question is related to the governenance team
[11:31] Qie Qie snorts

[11:31] Malarwen except with some old timer lindens gone i dont' know where to go
[11:31] Viale Linden Ok - Please send me an email and I will try to direct to the right person
[11:31] Viale Linden
[11:31] Viale Linden Ok
[11:31] Hypatia Meili the problem is ther in no where to bring up question not already on sombodys agenda
[11:32] Malarwen I can try *smirks*
[11:32] Hypatia Meili its an on going problem
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo inj theory, can add to the agenda for this theory
[11:32] Hypatia Meili and that goes for help tickets too!
[11:32] Viale Linden I posted the Adult Welcome Guidelines on rthe agenda
[11:32] Malarwen yes. What happened to linden office hours open to any agenda?
[11:32] Viale Linden we will be taking submissions until 9/12/11
[11:33] Malarwen i have an issue of actual criminal activity within SL and can't get help anywhere. So i will just send another email and expect no response
[11:33] Viale Linden Please contact CS
[11:33] Malarwen so the cops will have to deal with it
[11:33] Malarwen yeah
[11:33] Malarwen i did Viale
[11:33] Viale Linden Ok - please call the police too
[11:34] Malarwen yes, we will have to do that
[11:34] Hypatia Meili and help tosses out any ticket not in a predifinded catagory
[11:34] Viale Linden If there is criminal acticvity
[11:34] Viale Linden Please send me an email
[11:34] Malarwen yes there is. Cyberbullying is a
[11:34] Viale Linden back to agenda
[11:34] Storyof Oh gret way to get the whole game shut down
[11:34] Malarwen I've been in Sl for years...but this is the least help from LL I've seen
[11:34] Malarwen very disappointing
[11:35] Viale Linden Thanks Mal - please send me an email (Thanks once - please send me an email)
[11:35] Malarwen adios (goodbye)
[11:35] Counter Landfall Bye
[11:35] Viale Linden bye
[11:35] Evelynn Kidd good ridence
[11:35] Evelynn Kidd i mean good bye
[11:35] Viale Linden Ok
[11:35] Counter Landfall Question to Viale: will we get the terms for the 4 sims on sale today?
[11:36] Hypatia Meili do we have a link?
[11:36] Viale Linden counter - terms will be part of the post submission process
[11:36] Counter Landfall and what is the pre submission process?
[11:37] Hypatia Meili no will sbumit for a pig in a poke
[11:37] Viale Linden
[11:37] Hypatia Meili whats LLs prposal
[11:37] Viale Linden Ok
[11:37] Viale Linden Please review and send us questions if any
[11:37] Viale Linden via email
[11:37] Counter Landfall thansk, will do
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo I have read the proposla with the same enthusiasm that Im sure LL has read any of ZEG's proposals in the past 2 months'
[11:38] Viale Linden we need proposals by 9/12
[11:38] Storyof Oh 9th December?
[11:38] Silvanus lol story
[11:38] Viale Linden Sept 12 2011 (September 12, 2011)
[11:39] Storyof Oh global game come on we have our dates right lol
[11:39] Viale Linden Agenda items - Ginette - you have some listed
[11:39] Storyof Oh ty viale (ty Avenue)
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo I woudl porefer to remove my items at this point
[11:39] Qie eep. What means "Use of Zindra name will be reserved exclusively for four regions" ... does that mean nobody else can mention Zindra in our parcel descriptions, or in content names, if listed in Search??
[11:39] Counter Landfall getting Google document errors, could you make a PDF for us?
[11:39] Qie oh, sorry... I'll send by email.
[11:39] Viale Linden Parcel names
[11:40] Viale Linden Thanks Qie
[11:40] Viale Linden I will include as a PDF
[11:40] Counter Landfall that would be good
[11:40] Huntress Catteneo hope someone can fill me in later on what I missed :)
[11:41] Viale Linden Huntress - I will post chat
[11:41] Huntress Catteneo cool
[11:41] Kimiko Yiyuan Zindra as a primary search term for adult content..hmm, I guess I get something wrong here. Does this mean you get locations on Zindra first when you search for adult content, or that Zindra will become a serch term?
[11:41] Viale Linden after meeting
[11:42] Viale Linden Today, you get the zindra sim.
[11:42] Viale Linden 1st position for "zindra'
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo and you get Zindra help Vortex
[11:42] Viale Linden The zindra sim willl be renamed
[11:42] Hypatia Meili is that why zindra sim is being renamed mosh south?
[11:43] Viale Linden rename is TBd, but yes for example it could be renamed mosh south
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo I have a broad question: why are we here? what is the purpose anymore?
[11:44] Hypatia Meili and vortex or is th serat issue
[11:44] Hypatia Meili what is ACUG?
[11:44] Hypatia Meili actuly
[11:44] Viale Linden Hypatia - one more time?
[11:44] Innula Zenovka am i understanding this right, Viale.. we won't be able to put "Zindra" in the parcel name, but it will be ok to mention Zindra in the parcel description?
[11:44] Viale Linden correct
[11:45] Innula Zenovka thanks.
[11:45] Viale Linden people do that today
[11:45] Hypatia Meili ther seem to be difrent peception of what ACUG means
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo I, and others I'm sure, were under the mistaken impression that the new User Group format was a bit more of a back-and-forth dialogue between LL and residents. (not like the old Office Hours, but perhaps more engaging) Each User group varies, but I doubt anyone likes coming here, and spending an hour of time, being told what to do. Motivation is waning.
[11:45] Viale Linden Well I think we are making progress on items
[11:46] Kimiko Yiyuan I am just asking myself who will search for "Zindra" or "Mosh South" or whatever. People type in things like "Sex" or "boob club". So does it really matter if Zindra or whatever is aprimary search term? As I said, maybe I do not get something.
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo how so?
[11:46] Viale Linden Getting your content promoted and resolving the welcome issues
[11:46] Counter Landfall I don't think Zindra is much of a search item at all
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo progress by destryoing things? thats negative motion, not positive
[11:46] Counter Landfall would be intersting to get some stats on that Viale
[11:46] Viale Linden Ginette - please explain
[11:46] Huntress Catteneo ooo haven't tried boob club, must do that
[11:46] Viale Linden I think you have lots to be excited about
[11:46] Viale Linden with Zexpo
[11:46] Qie Uh. I'm probably not representative, but I think there's much better opportunity for Adult content with the recent changes, than before.
[11:47] Hypatia Meili also some statements by LL seem to indicate that ACUG is a set "Group" thatLL is talking with , rather then an open office hours
[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo zexpo does not exist ina ONLY exists becaiuse of a long period of momentum and buildup and otehr projects......your scheme will elimibate that potential
[11:47] Viale Linden I think there was an unfair tilt toward linden favored reisdents
[11:47] Hypatia Meili this doen ot fit the basic concept (ot do this fit the basic concept)
[11:47] Viale Linden I want to let market forces take over
[11:47] Innula Zenovka Innula Zenovka agrees with Qie.. we seem to have got a lot more done in the last couple of months than we did for a long time

[11:47] Counter Landfall Ginette, you are free to have as many zexpos as you want
[11:47] Silvanus Zindra as name becomes known when LL starts to promote it, associate it with Adult on the DG
[11:48] Counter Landfall keep up the good work
[11:48] Counter Landfall the only difference is that you dont get free land for it
[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo excuse me?
[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo firstly, viale....There already is a group that runs that Island, its called Zindra Expo you are effectively destroying the work of that group in one move.
[11:48] Hypatia Meili cani ask a question is this an open submition , who els has it ben prposed to other then zexpo and ZA
[11:49] Hypatia Meili if neither group submits then what?
[11:49] Viale Linden Ginette
[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo I remember a few times, Counter claiming that LL was 'using' me all those months, as if I were a tool of some type. I would certainly disagree with that 100%. With Blondin and the other LL relationships, it was very positive, and mutually supportive. Counter confused 'helping' with 'being used'. I was never used in any way. ...but really worked in a partnership.......helping.....
[11:49] Qie Hypa: good point.
[11:49] Viale Linden The point is that we are promoting Zexpo.
[11:49] Viale Linden You are free to have future zexpos
[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo However, with THIS current relationship, I see us all being used. Myself and the Zindra Expo group....used to build and build a positive momentum, marketable concepts, healthy growth, only to see LL disrespect the countless hours of work and passion by trying to erase it. This affects ZEXPO 2011, affects every program before it and after it, and affects hearts and minds. It's an insult to hundreds of people, and will impact far more. ........
[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo Organic growth? This is more like chopping down the rainforest.
[11:50] Storyof Oh do LL seriously think there could be a resident controlled group looking after these sims without blood on the carpet?
[11:50] Qie It would be interesting to see a Zindra Gatewary submission from Stroker, for example, or somebody like him (as if anybody could be like Stroker)
[11:50] Silvanus any dagger attached, Story?
[11:51] Viale Linden All of you are free to submit a proposal for the welcome area
[11:51] Innula Zenovka yeah.. i'm looking forward to Stroker's ideas
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo I wont pretend to understand this proposal. ....The only thing I can guess is that maybe viale has become so frustrated, thinking that we don't 'get along', ( a total misread, by the way) that he is trying to unite us one last time, by having us all hate something equally. The 'common enemy' technique?
[11:51] Qie but does he know to submit, Innula? I don't know how he, Amethyst R, etc., etc., come to know about it.
[11:52] Viale Linden Only strategy is to bring residents forward and not have LL as a middle person
[11:52] Zada Bury But , Viale, I think, ther will be no more ZExpo's ... or other this large events. These events "pay" nothing direct to us in money. If from 10 visitors 1 take a landmark and come to the individual parcels ... or 1 buy something on the event ... I think, that's optimistic counted. make more "from 20 1". These events are work, maybe a bit fun ... mainly work. They not pay us in L$ ... their would never pay the Sim-Tier ... but they pay back in ... visitors for Zindra and adverties for SL aswell.
[11:52] Innula Zenovka a very good point, Qie.. maybe Viale can tell us how it's being publicised
[11:52] Huntress Catteneo is the submission system available anywhere to look at yet?
[11:52] Silvanus how are the proposals you get rated? who will get the acceptance, Viale?
[11:53] Innula Zenovka or should we be making a point of showing it to people we think might be interested?
[11:53] Viale Linden It is posted on the adult user group agenda
[11:53] Hypatia Meili you beter get it out to othetr submitters (you better get it out to submitters othetr)
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo you are not bringing residents forward, are csaring them away in droves with this
[11:53] Innula Zenovka yes, but not everyone reads that, Viale
[11:53] Counter Landfall Zada, that is exaclty why ZA never thought these mega events is a good idea dn the right focus. We need a steady trickle.
[11:53] Hypatia Meili be caus as a member of both ZA and zexpo , i donot see either gorup managing paying the tier
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo you sepak of organic growth, and market-driven...yet this is , in actuality, the ultimate interference from LL
[11:53] Hypatia Meili soits going tobe a no go period
[11:54] Kimiko Yiyuan There could well be people around that might think that it is actually you (or whoever) using LL here though, Ginette. I am wearing the Advocatus Diaboli tag today so I say from an LL standpoint it is a rather understandable move...
[11:54] Viale Linden I think the DG will be good resource going forward Zada
[11:54] Zada Bury Ok, Counter .... but there would be the option to say "let them do, we not say YES to is ... but also not NO".
[11:54] Qie yeah... we better be publicizing this ourselves... because most Adult content providers wrote off this meeting long ago, as too Zindra-centric.... which is probably not a fair characterization any more, but they don't know that.
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo so a few peoeplo will own the island s and LL will promote it as an ofifcial gatewya. which is a million tiems mor unfair thna anything else coudl ever have been
[11:54] Innula Zenovka there's a longstanding problem that a lot of Adult Content people think the Adult Content Group is Zindra-only.. it's not, but that's the impression that's been formed over the last year or so
[11:54] Counter Landfall managing the tier is not such a big problem, managing the sims is a bigger hurdle
[11:54] Hypatia Meili or they wil get no takers
[11:55] Hypatia Meili its both
[11:55] Viale Linden agree counter
[11:55] Viale Linden I imagine it could be great opportunity for you all
[11:55] Counter Landfall Actually they don't Innula. The problem is that Zindra has been margninalized by all the adult content remaining in M regions
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo good luck finding a party that will pay LL toi manage a promotional island
[11:56] Hypatia Meili its actuly on the up swing agin
[11:56] Viale Linden Ginetter ~ are you against submitting a proposal>
[11:56] Hypatia Meili i did som exploring
[11:56] Zada Bury 195 US$ x 4 ... monthly ... maybe sounds not that bad for you ... but ... nobody ... ok, thinking about the breedable horses "less people" .... will pay for a horse, they can't ride.
[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo I am againmst the ethics of this entire scenario
[11:56] Hypatia Meili adult in mature
[11:56] Innula Zenovka news to me that Sensations or Eventide are M rated
[11:57] Counter Landfall when did Eventide become an M region?
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo I already own plenty of Zindra much as I need..if I wanted to buy more, I would
[11:57] Viale Linden Lets see what the submission process brings forward
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo yoru entire proposal is an insult before it even gets submissions
[11:57] Viale Linden I also look forrward to helping you all with the Destination Guide
[11:57] Storyof Oh what happens if no one applies?
[11:57] Kimiko Yiyuan If that goes on like this LL will probably put the sims on sale on the general market and period.
[11:57] Hypatia Meili who els have you let know there is a process?
[11:57] Counter Landfall Ginette, it is not an insult
[11:57] Innula Zenovka that's what i'm saying, it's not.. so i don't see what you mean about the Adult content being on M
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo is an insult..maybe not to you
[11:58] Kimiko Yiyuan Just like any sim.
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo why am I veen bothering with ZEXPO? so we ca lose all the momentum?" I wont be used. not oen swecond lonbger
[11:58] Counter Landfall can you please explain the insult Ginette?
[11:58] Kimiko Yiyuan Which is what they probably should have done right from the start....
[11:59] Hypatia Meili counter doen view comercail the sam as you do ginete, why dont youboth leave it at that (counter view comercail do the sam ginete if you do, why dont youboth leave it at that)
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo viale...its the Island Campaign and thinsg liek it thta even make ZEXPO-type events possible at all......hello?
[11:59] Viale Linden Ginette - any positive items from your Zexpi event to bring up before we go?
[11:59] Counter Landfall and what is the connection between zexpo the event and some random sims?
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo I had 2 greta topics. but they are irrelevent now
[11:59] Viale Linden ok
[12:00] Viale Linden I am available by email , if you want to talk
[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo I do not see the point, at this point
[12:00] Zada Bury Well ... a fast hour.
[12:01] Viale Linden We look forward to helping you promote Zexpo, if that is any solace
[12:01] Zada Bury Mmm... "the event causes user hours"?
[12:01] Hypatia Meili wellwe got the "prposal" andnow we wait fo viale to sort his many submtions
[12:01] Counter Landfall If zexpo, the event, depends on access to free land, then zexpo is not viable.
[12:01] Qie You know... if this is done right, the Gateway and the Destination Guide attention could make the M-sited Adult content a backwater of those too lame to afford an Adult address, instead of the scam it is now.
[12:01] Ginette Pinazzo its empty promoting it if you are at same time, underminign it
[12:01] Zada Bury good for the quarter-values ...
[12:01] Hypatia Meili not sure who wil be making them tho
[12:01] Viale Linden Qie +1
[12:01] Huntress Catteneo speedbuild went well
[12:02] Viale Linden Ginette - i am open if you want to schedule some discussion time
[12:02] Hypatia Meili agmda fpor next week toipc 1, were there any submitions?
[12:02] Ginette Pinazzo Huntress?. Hypa? Zada? interested in taking over as ZEXPO producer? the opening could coem ay any minute
[12:02] Viale Linden Hypatia
[12:02] Storyof Oh bank holiday next week lol
[12:02] Ginette Pinazzo I have actual work to do...ciao
[12:03] Hypatia Meili can switchnoow for curent show
[12:03] Hypatia Meili not enogh time
[12:03] Counter Landfall Bye Ginette
[12:03] Zada Bury oh, I am busy enough in the moment
[12:03] Huntress Catteneo *sigh*
[12:03] Silvanus see you Gina : )
[12:03] Kimiko Yiyuan Bye Ginette.
[12:03] Huntress Catteneo you are a bigger person than that Gina
[12:03] Ginette Pinazzo I will nevcer let the peoepl down that count on things, Hunt...never
[12:04] Hypatia Meili evetuly it to much
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo I believe in integrity and honouring past commitment
[12:04] Hypatia Meili lets fish up the curent zexpo
[12:04] Huntress Catteneo yes
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo I do not believe in spitting in the facwe of thsoe who work hard, hundres pof them
[12:04] Hypatia Meili its sad ther probly wont be another tho
[12:04] Viale Linden Bye everyone.
[12:04] Evelynn Kidd thanks Only, it was a good meeting and you did well keeping it on track
[12:04] Qie thanks Viale
[12:04] Huntress Catteneo so don't talk of others taking over atm
[12:04] Counter Landfall Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[12:04] Zada Bury *waves to Viale*
[12:04] Innula Zenovka Bye, Viale.. thanks (Bye, Viale .. thanks)
[12:04] Kimiko Yiyuan Bye Viale. (Bye Avenue.)
[12:05] Silvanus ty Viale, tc (Viale company, tc)
[12:05] Hypatia Meili bye Viale (bye Avenue)