Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2013-02-28
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[2013/02/28 15:01] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hi guys, I guess we should get started [2013/02/28 15:01] Motor Loon: ey mæstro [2013/02/28 15:01] YuNi Workout Bench2 (1.1): whispers: Add all 3 weights to your outfit. They will only be visible for the suiting workouts [2013/02/28 15:01] Techwolf Lupindo: He is awake! [2013/02/28 15:02] Techwolf Lupindo: :-) [2013/02/28 15:02] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group [2013/02/28 15:02] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): So, I don't have much in the way of exciting updates to Agni [2013/02/28 15:02] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): but we do/did have a special guest planned [2013/02/28 15:03] arton Rotaru: who is it? [2013/02/28 15:03] Motor Loon: santaclaus! [2013/02/28 15:03] Jonathan Yap: Rex [2013/02/28 15:03] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): next best thing [2013/02/28 15:03] Doc (drfran.babcock): easter bunny? [2013/02/28 15:03] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Monty Claus [2013/02/28 15:03] Rex Cronon: hi jonathan [2013/02/28 15:03] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): well, this brings me to one of the updates, [2013/02/28 15:04] Rex Cronon: hie everybody [2013/02/28 15:04] Rex Cronon: hi* [2013/02/28 15:04] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): some of the Aditi inventory hosts are offline due to a hardware fault [2013/02/28 15:04] arton Rotaru: hiho Rex [2013/02/28 15:04] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): if you're here, then you're unaffected [2013/02/28 15:04] Rex Cronon: hi arton [2013/02/28 15:04] arton Rotaru: inv worked for me now [2013/02/28 15:04] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): But about 40% of accounts have their inventory on the broken hosts, which unfortunately means that they can't login to Aditi [2013/02/28 15:05] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I broke my inventory.. [2013/02/28 15:05] arton Rotaru: I had that the last 2 days, but now it seems to work for me [2013/02/28 15:05] Techwolf Lupindo: Is there a way to refresh an invtory from the main grid and possiabley get it copied to the remaining hosts? [2013/02/28 15:05] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): unfortunately, our special guest is in that 40% [2013/02/28 15:05] Chieron Tenk: that's only a regular breaking, I guess, Yuzuru [2013/02/28 15:05] arton Rotaru: ouch [2013/02/28 15:05] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Not sure if that would work, Techwolf [2013/02/28 15:05] Rex Cronon: why can't u let them at least login, even if the endup looking like an egg:) [2013/02/28 15:05] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): ouch.. [2013/02/28 15:05] Rex Cronon: if they* [2013/02/28 15:06] Techwolf Lupindo: Does that guest have an alt? [2013/02/28 15:06] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I reupload my helmet. [2013/02/28 15:06] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): this ops team is working on this issue.. [2013/02/28 15:06] Doc (drfran.babcock): thanks [2013/02/28 15:06] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yep, I'm trying to figure out if there's an alt account he can use [2013/02/28 15:06] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Please help me.. [2013/02/28 15:06] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): "he can use one of mine!" [2013/02/28 15:06] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Must I change the password? [2013/02/28 15:06] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): :P [2013/02/28 15:08] MartinRJ Fayray: hi yuzuru [2013/02/28 15:08] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Martin. I lost my shape in beta grid.. [2013/02/28 15:08] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): default avatar with my helmet. [2013/02/28 15:08] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Nice shark arton [2013/02/28 15:09] arton Rotaru: thx :) [2013/02/28 15:09] arton Rotaru: he eats beta inventorys^^ [2013/02/28 15:09] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): hah [2013/02/28 15:09] Doc (drfran.babcock): haha, nice texturing [2013/02/28 15:09] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I was ate. [2013/02/28 15:09] Chieron Tenk: that was a ploy to get to write something.. your bubblechat seems to flicker/ bubblechat flicker in front of objects..never realized that until now [2013/02/28 15:10] Chieron Tenk: *get you to write.. [2013/02/28 15:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): so, while Monty's on his way.. let's talk about the Agni updates this week [2013/02/28 15:10] Nal (nalates.sonnenkern): My main is in an off-line inventory server.... dang [2013/02/28 15:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): the maint-server that was previously on all 3 RC channels went to the main channel on Agni [2013/02/28 15:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): mostly it just had bugfixes [2013/02/28 15:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): the only new feature was a slightly different region restart notification [2013/02/28 15:11] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): yeah, which well ned to fix in FS now [2013/02/28 15:11] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): need* [2013/02/28 15:11] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Here's a side-by-side shot: http://community.secondlife.com/secondlife/attachments/secondlife/SecondLifeServer/9463/1/notification_change.jpg [2013/02/28 15:11] Rex Cronon: nice. my sculpty hat is borked:( [2013/02/28 15:11] Doc (drfran.babcock): `oh, that's good. More explicit [2013/02/28 15:11] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): my inventry is empty. [2013/02/28 15:11] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yeah, it's a bit bolder [2013/02/28 15:12] Rex Cronon: it has become 2d:( [2013/02/28 15:12] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): firestorm will loose the ding sound now, we will get it fixed for the next release though [2013/02/28 15:12] Jonathan Yap: it looks the same in CHUI? [2013/02/28 15:12] Motor Loon: nods [2013/02/28 15:12] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I'm not sure how it looks like CHUI, Jonathan.. I think it might be the same [2013/02/28 15:12] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): yes, even Firestorm got the updated notification look, yap [2013/02/28 15:12] arton Rotaru: I think I don't like CHUI [2013/02/28 15:13] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): its just a change in the message type [2013/02/28 15:13] arton Rotaru: I saw it today [2013/02/28 15:13] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yeah, my understanding is that most of the changes are in the chat window [2013/02/28 15:13] arton Rotaru: yeah [2013/02/28 15:13] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): or at least that's most noticeable [2013/02/28 15:13] arton Rotaru: it's horrible for my liking, buttthats just me [2013/02/28 15:13] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): was gonna say... [2013/02/28 15:14] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): theres a tone of code refactoring under the hood [2013/02/28 15:14] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Let's see, the RC channels aren't too exciting this week [2013/02/28 15:15] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): they're the same as SLS, but include the fix for one fairly common crash mode [2013/02/28 15:15] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): BTW, I just got confirmation that notifications should look the same in CHUI as before [2013/02/28 15:16] Techwolf Lupindo: Was "chicklets" nuked in CHUI? [2013/02/28 15:16] Jonathan Yap: yes [2013/02/28 15:16] Doc (drfran.babcock): awww, I just got used to them [2013/02/28 15:16] arton Rotaru: me too [2013/02/28 15:17] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hello Litmoose2! [2013/02/28 15:17] Jonathan Yap: Litmus is our guest tonight? [2013/02/28 15:17] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yep [2013/02/28 15:17] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): \o/ [2013/02/28 15:18] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): while he's getting settled, I'll cover the other 'upcoming stuff' sections [2013/02/28 15:18] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): a.k.a. Monty Linden [2013/02/28 15:18] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): oh hi monty [2013/02/28 15:19] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): The DRTSIM-194 channel has threaded rez changes, as befeore [2013/02/28 15:19] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): and the blocker bug seems to be fixed [2013/02/28 15:19] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): it might make RC next week... we'll see [2013/02/28 15:19] Techwolf Lupindo: /me chuckles "A Linden got to experence what all of us have at one time or another. No service. LOL" :-) [2013/02/28 15:19] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Also, Andrew has been working on some bug fixes and improvements for the interest list, again [2013/02/28 15:19] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): including fixing some issues with aavatar appearance after using 'sim teleporters' (llSetRegionPos() types of devices), [2013/02/28 15:20] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): my dev grid makes aditi look stable - just so you know... :-) [2013/02/28 15:20] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): and a hopeful fix for some issues where objects which change appearance behind the camera 'snapping' into place when you rotate the camera back [2013/02/28 15:20] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): the interest list changes won't make RC for next week, but maybe the week after that [2013/02/28 15:21] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Okay Monty, that's all I had for the other updates [2013/02/28 15:21] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): the floor is yours [2013/02/28 15:21] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): (or the grass, as it were..) [2013/02/28 15:21] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): okay [2013/02/28 15:21] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): The wiki has some *preliminary* release notes on a [2013/02/28 15:22] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): project that now has a name: DRTSIM-203 [2013/02/28 15:22] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): This is another phase in a long project to get better HTTP services. [2013/02/28 15:22] Techwolf Lupindo: URL please. [2013/02/28 15:22] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): server side stuff? [2013/02/28 15:22] Motor Loon: Much looking forward to that part [2013/02/28 15:22] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): Small fix includes better HTTP headers coming from the texture and mesh asset services [2013/02/28 15:22] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): We'll no longer advertise textures as 'text/html' for example [2013/02/28 15:23] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): Bigger change is the beginning of keepalive (persistent) connections [2013/02/28 15:23] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Techwolf: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group#Upcoming_HTTP_Improvement_Project [2013/02/28 15:23] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): to our HTTP services (the ones based on Capabilities). [2013/02/28 15:23] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): *Most* things will be able to take advantage of them but [2013/02/28 15:24] Techwolf Lupindo: I've been playing with the new libhttp stuff. Havn't done any heavy duty testing, but one bug I did notice. Even when I set the number of connections limit of 2, the texture debug will still show about 32 connections are being sent out at once. [2013/02/28 15:24] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): two areas will be disabled for the first release: meshes and HTTP-In (LSL llRequestURL, etc.) [2013/02/28 15:24] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): The main benefits are throughput and stability of consumer networking gear. [2013/02/28 15:24] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): the debug fir setting the concurrent connections is no longer used, tech [2013/02/28 15:24] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): The challenges are resource contention and having so many types of services [2013/02/28 15:24] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): going through the same points. [2013/02/28 15:25] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): *SO* [2013/02/28 15:25] Techwolf Lupindo: TAnk, no, I looked at the code to find the new setting and found it. [2013/02/28 15:25] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): The Aditi roll is expected to include a few hosts that will operate at [2013/02/28 15:25] Techwolf Lupindo: This was last week, so I don't rembmer the name.... [2013/02/28 15:25] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): extremes. People will be able to test viewers and external HTTP services [2013/02/28 15:25] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): for compatibility. [2013/02/28 15:26] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): Scripters, in particular, should take advantage of this. [2013/02/28 15:26] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I want check it, please ping me, Monty. [2013/02/28 15:26] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): While HTTP-In isn't getting keepalives, it competes with services [2013/02/28 15:26] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): that will. [2013/02/28 15:26] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): And one of the simhosts on Aditi is expected to be configured [2013/02/28 15:26] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): so that full keepalives are available. [2013/02/28 15:26] Rex Cronon: could u expand on how the scripters should take advantage of this? [2013/02/28 15:27] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): They'll want to test robustness of communication between [2013/02/28 15:27] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): their scripts running HTTP servers in-world and external HTTP clients. [2013/02/28 15:27] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): I know we're not at 100% there (*cough*) but we don't want to get [2013/02/28 15:27] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): worse. [2013/02/28 15:28] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): And in the case of the special test regions, I'm interested in [2013/02/28 15:28] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): anecdotes. [2013/02/28 15:28] Techwolf Lupindo: Some of the combat systems use http. [2013/02/28 15:28] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): They may pave the way for some more permissive access. [2013/02/28 15:29] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): Yeah, combat support and I'm sure there are more. [2013/02/28 15:29] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): I wish I had a better view into usage patterns but it's just [2013/02/28 15:29] Motor Loon: are we talking about totally new LSL commands for this - or improvements on existing ones? [2013/02/28 15:29] Techwolf Lupindo: I remebmer combat sytsem creaters bitching about http limit they keep hitting and finding ways around it to get more responsives. I think full keepalive will help a lot in that reguard as number to requests can be lifted on one keepalive...I think. [2013/02/28 15:29] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): all over the place. [2013/02/28 15:30] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): No script changes. [2013/02/28 15:30] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): This is all stuff in the walls. [2013/02/28 15:30] Motor Loon: so just a matter of current systems/methods running better, faster, stronger and all that [2013/02/28 15:30] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): But we need to see how it behaves 'holistically' [2013/02/28 15:30] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): Well, no worse. [2013/02/28 15:31] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): The beneficiaries on this pass will be viewers (texture download, [2013/02/28 15:31] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): capabilities stuff, inventory (maybe), that stuff). [2013/02/28 15:31] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): And people with lousy routers. [2013/02/28 15:31] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): I'm looking at you Belkin and WRT54G owners. [2013/02/28 15:31] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): How about http ack problem? I think it causes SIM spike. [2013/02/28 15:31] Motor Loon: This also include the "faster rezzing from cache" or does that comes later? [2013/02/28 15:32] Techwolf Lupindo: I have a few jiras about those "broken" current headers the server send out now. Please keep those jiras updated. :-) [2013/02/28 15:32] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): You mean loading objects from viewer cache, Motor? [2013/02/28 15:32] Motor Loon: yes [2013/02/28 15:32] Techwolf Lupindo: I have WRT54G. [2013/02/28 15:32] Rex Cronon: i don't think they r "lousy routers". they r more like improperly configured routers:) [2013/02/28 15:32] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): don't know about the http ack [2013/02/28 15:32] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Those changes are with Andrew's upcoming interest list changes, motor [2013/02/28 15:32] Techwolf Lupindo: But I re-flash it with DD-WRT. [2013/02/28 15:32] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): faster rezzing from cache will be someone else [2013/02/28 15:32] Motor Loon: ok [2013/02/28 15:33] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): oddly, the recent texture/http work I did made it faster on my mac [2013/02/28 15:33] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Well, some of them. Changes are planned in a few phases.. [2013/02/28 15:33] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): to get textures from the server than to load from cache. [2013/02/28 15:33] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): the cache there needs works [2013/02/28 15:33] Jonathan Yap: Monty, do you have a full-ish HD or an SSD? [2013/02/28 15:33] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): I remember your jiras, techwolf. content-range will show up as will content-type and others. [2013/02/28 15:34] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): content-length won't show up yet for textures due to a weird bug in older [2013/02/28 15:34] Techwolf Lupindo: If I had the time, I would have ported the current vfs in the client to a sqlight or another robust embedded db system. [2013/02/28 15:34] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Is RAM disk needed? [2013/02/28 15:34] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): viewers. [2013/02/28 15:34] Jonathan Yap: I remember seeing the cache index files get badly fragmented [2013/02/28 15:34] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): how older? [2013/02/28 15:34] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): no slow disk but I'm 40-60 mS from our servers [2013/02/28 15:34] Motor Loon: cache in generally kinda works shitty how it is, the planned changes sounded very clever and most interesting [2013/02/28 15:35] Motor Loon: mabye espicially for us with superfast connections and running our caches from SSD's [2013/02/28 15:35] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): cache problem isn't known but there is an umbrella jira: bug-1525 [2013/02/28 15:35] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Nalates you wrote about RAM disk, didn't you? [2013/02/28 15:35] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): (I hope it goes somewhere) [2013/02/28 15:36] Nal (nalates.sonnenkern): yes [2013/02/28 15:36] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): so, drtsim-203 is nearing the end of its QA [2013/02/28 15:36] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): it should show up here 'real soon now' [2013/02/28 15:37] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): good to hear [2013/02/28 15:37] Techwolf Lupindo: When I was using an older client, I had a 1G ramdisk for texure cache. Sence I was using squid, losing the cache every month wasn't an issue for me. (My computer uptime would run into weeks) [2013/02/28 15:37] Rex Cronon: motor. if ll advertised sl as requiring ssd's and superfast connections there would be a lot less people around:) [2013/02/28 15:37] Nal (nalates.sonnenkern): If one was saving there RAM drive, that should stop cache index fragmenting [2013/02/28 15:38] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yeah, I think we can put Monty's changes on Aditi really soon. I'll try to update with a channel name / region list for testing [2013/02/28 15:38] Motor Loon: not a requirement Rex... but if it helps having it - wouldn't it be nice ¬∞Õú¬∞ [2013/02/28 15:39] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): chat went by quickly... did I miss anyone? [2013/02/28 15:39] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): or any question? [2013/02/28 15:39] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I hope it will be faster than now in Japan (with RAM Disk..). [2013/02/28 15:39] Rex Cronon: so, in theory these new changes should improve how http servers work. u guys don't expect any major borkage. right? [2013/02/28 15:40] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Is it faster than UDP? [2013/02/28 15:40] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): no but we don't have the ability to simulate the grid [2013/02/28 15:40] Techwolf Lupindo: Will the changes make http texture fetch more http cache comptiable? Like squid proxy. [2013/02/28 15:40] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): even aditi isn't adequate for load testing [2013/02/28 15:40] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): this is where the RC's deliver [2013/02/28 15:40] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): but it also means this may fail at scale. [2013/02/28 15:41] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): A few data points on http textures. [2013/02/28 15:41] Rex Cronon: ok. u r worried about under-load performance. [2013/02/28 15:41] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): you mentioned that content-length wont work for older viewers, how old is 'older viewers'? [2013/02/28 15:42] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): well, I left content-length out but there was an odd bug [2013/02/28 15:42] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): in 3.4.2 and earlier [2013/02/28 15:42] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): doesn't apply to 3.4.3 and later [2013/02/28 15:42] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): so eventually time will erase the viewers and c-l can go out [2013/02/28 15:42] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Does 1024 x 1024 texture cause to server slow down? [2013/02/28 15:42] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): we do chunked transfer anyway so it has lower priority in the [2013/02/28 15:42] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): SSB will erase those viewers semi quickly at least „ã° [2013/02/28 15:42] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): semantics of HTTP [2013/02/28 15:43] Techwolf Lupindo: /me reads up on content-lenght [2013/02/28 15:43] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): but there was some weird bug in there [2013/02/28 15:43] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): (I'm looking for my metrics...) [2013/02/28 15:45] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): here we go [2013/02/28 15:45] Techwolf Lupindo: Ok....so leaving out content-lenght trigger a bug in older viewers? [2013/02/28 15:45] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): from Boston on a windows machine [2013/02/28 15:45] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): region of 6500 or so textures and nothing else [2013/02/28 15:45] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): cold cache load time at 256 m was [2013/02/28 15:46] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): 360 S [2013/02/28 15:46] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): went to 180S in 3.4.3 [2013/02/28 15:46] Jonathan Yap: was this for all textures in view or did you have to rotate your view? [2013/02/28 15:46] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): and that went to 120 S with new HTTP services [2013/02/28 15:46] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): not everyone is going to see that [2013/02/28 15:47] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): that was especially good [2013/02/28 15:47] arton Rotaru: ship it now :p [2013/02/28 15:47] Techwolf Lupindo: Jonathan, use a sim corner to view all textures. [2013/02/28 15:47] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): it's a synthetic region so all textures were in view. [2013/02/28 15:47] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): we'll probably put a few copies of it up on aditi. [2013/02/28 15:48] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): oh, hot cache time is 32 S on that region [2013/02/28 15:48] Techwolf Lupindo: I"me jsut making sure, does the new libhttp have any settings to limit the concurrent number of outgoing http connections? [2013/02/28 15:49] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): sort of [2013/02/28 15:49] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): first, not everything uses it [2013/02/28 15:49] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): namely, meshes which shotgun the network [2013/02/28 15:49] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): badly [2013/02/28 15:49] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): they make me angry [2013/02/28 15:49] Motor Loon: giggles [2013/02/28 15:49] arton Rotaru: lol [2013/02/28 15:49] Rex Cronon: how long does an outgoing http connection last? [2013/02/28 15:49] Techwolf Lupindo: /me chuckles [2013/02/28 15:49] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): new http is still built on libcurl which does *not* have a good [2013/02/28 15:50] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): model for connection management - particularly if you try to do [2013/02/28 15:50] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): pipelining which we want to do in a later phase. [2013/02/28 15:50] Techwolf Lupindo: Some firewalls I've encounter have connection limits of 10. I suspect this is to counter any massive p2p clients. [2013/02/28 15:50] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): But I may just say 'to hell with it, I'll solve the problem for them' and [2013/02/28 15:50] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): fix libcurl, workaround it, or convert to something else. [2013/02/28 15:50] Techwolf Lupindo: But this was before chrome came out that shotguns over 100 connections at once. [2013/02/28 15:50] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): So, this is on my mind. [2013/02/28 15:51] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): But we are also doing testing with various low-end router gear to [2013/02/28 15:51] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): try to keep a handle on stability. [2013/02/28 15:51] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): BTW, on the WRT54G... [2013/02/28 15:51] Techwolf Lupindo: Make sure to keep more then one unit of those broken routers so they can be replace when they die on you during testing. [2013/02/28 15:51] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): I've found that its main failure trigger seems to be DNS. [2013/02/28 15:52] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): If you do a steady stream of DNS request/response to the router, [2013/02/28 15:52] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): it will fall over on its own. [2013/02/28 15:52] Techwolf Lupindo: I"ve been toying with the idea of a DNS cache built into the client itself. [2013/02/28 15:52] Motor Loon: Is there like an "official" list of the best router to use - or of which features such a route would have for the best possible Second Life‚Ñ¢ usage? [2013/02/28 15:52] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I can't buy WRT54G in Japan.. [2013/02/28 15:52] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): just download a massive hosts file for the whole internet :) [2013/02/28 15:52] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): viewer has a dns cache, it wasn't using it well [2013/02/28 15:52] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): part of the ares library [2013/02/28 15:52] arton Rotaru: lol [2013/02/28 15:53] Rex Cronon: why not give the viewer the raw ip address, than the dns should be used less. [2013/02/28 15:53] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): no one should buy a wrt54g [2013/02/28 15:53] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): actiontech makes some beefy routers [2013/02/28 15:53] Techwolf Lupindo: Yea, the similator can be confure to use IP in place of the domain. [2013/02/28 15:53] Techwolf Lupindo: CAPS can be IP. [2013/02/28 15:53] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/bar/77-max-simul-conn [2013/02/28 15:54] Motor Loon: cool [2013/02/28 15:54] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): That link has a valuable metric for predicting router stability [2013/02/28 15:54] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): with SL, I think. Concurrency is a good indicator. [2013/02/28 15:54] Rex Cronon: which router(s) do u recoment to be used with sl? [2013/02/28 15:54] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): But router makers also just make bad decisions. [2013/02/28 15:54] Techwolf Lupindo: The viewer re-fetches CAPS on every tp. So using IP in place of domain name shoujld not have issues. [2013/02/28 15:54] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): is 34,925 some sort of TCP limit? [2013/02/28 15:54] Rex Cronon: recommend* [2013/02/28 15:55] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): no specific recommendations from Linden [2013/02/28 15:55] Motor Loon: but "Maximum Simultaneous Connections" cant be all that makes a "perfect router for sl" can it? [2013/02/28 15:55] arton Rotaru: the most expensiv :p [2013/02/28 15:55] Techwolf Lupindo: Depends on the client OS, if it runs out of ports to use to connect to the same IP, then yes. [2013/02/28 15:55] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): I use two things: alix board running openbsd and a cisco e4200 when I need to be generic [2013/02/28 15:56] Jonathan Yap: It is a good indicator, usually a router fails from too many connectoins at once [2013/02/28 15:56] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): motor, no, one metric isn't good enough [2013/02/28 15:56] Motor Loon: nods [2013/02/28 15:56] Jonathan Yap: they build them with insufficient memory [2013/02/28 15:56] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): connection *churn* would be a better metric [2013/02/28 15:56] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): but nobody measures that [2013/02/28 15:57] Rex Cronon: a loptop doesn't allways like too many connections either:( [2013/02/28 15:57] Techwolf Lupindo: Oh gads.....the current SL http texture fetch re-defines connection *churn*. :-) [2013/02/28 15:58] Techwolf Lupindo: I sometimes have to vpn to a datacenter in order to connect to SL due to the wi-fi router can't handle it. [2013/02/28 15:58] Techwolf Lupindo: direct [2013/02/28 15:58] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): vpn is actually an interesting solution [2013/02/28 15:58] Jonathan Yap: Tech, is then what you are in some public place? [2013/02/28 15:58] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): as might be SPDY [2013/02/28 15:58] Jonathan Yap: *is that [2013/02/28 15:59] Techwolf Lupindo: Joathan, yes. [2013/02/28 15:59] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): or just getting HTTP right [2013/02/28 15:59] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): main grid VPN? [2013/02/28 15:59] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): encapsulate the awful, make it a bandwidth problem, go on to the next thing [2013/02/28 15:59] Techwolf Lupindo: vpn only uses one connection though the the wi-fi router, then my co-located server, a linux box, then handles evertying else. [2013/02/28 16:00] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Uh sorry. [2013/02/28 16:00] Techwolf Lupindo: And that box is connected to beefy cisco routers.. [2013/02/28 16:01] Techwolf Lupindo: I have had that box hit about 5,000 active connections at once without fail. [2013/02/28 16:02] Rex Cronon: i g2g. tc everybody and have a nice day:) [2013/02/28 16:03] arton Rotaru: tc rex [2013/02/28 16:03] arton Rotaru: ok guys, thx for keeping us posted [2013/02/28 16:03] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): more soon [2013/02/28 16:03] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): tell your friends [2013/02/28 16:03] Techwolf Lupindo: LItmoose2..(heh). I will defetenlly be testing http changes once is hits a grid somewhere on all m y public wi-fi connectss. [2013/02/28 16:03] arton Rotaru: good to see yuo try hard to improve SL still [2013/02/28 16:03] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): try to break it [2013/02/28 16:03] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): glad to see you are getting some good work done, monty [2013/02/28 16:04] Jonathan Yap: Thank you Monty [2013/02/28 16:04] MartinRJ Fayray: goodbye all [2013/02/28 16:04] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Monty. [2013/02/28 16:04] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yep, thanks Monty! [2013/02/28 16:04] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): thanks, all [2013/02/28 16:04] Techwolf Lupindo: Thank you Monty, you are fixing a major PITA for me. [2013/02/28 16:04] Simon Linden: /me wakes up ... thanks everyone for coming today [2013/02/28 16:05] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): starting to - more to do [2013/02/28 16:05] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): lol [2013/02/28 16:05] Litmoose2 (litmus.tester): and the damned Mac DNS problem... [2013/02/28 16:05] Doc (drfran.babcock): thanks for all the great info [2013/02/28 16:05] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Simon. [2013/02/28 16:05] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): have a good workout, simon? [2013/02/28 16:05] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Maestro. [2013/02/28 16:05] Simon Linden: lol, yep, feelin' that burn... [2013/02/28 16:05] Techwolf Lupindo: Monty, have you tried using IP in the CAPS yet as a workaound? [2013/02/28 16:05] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): „ã° [2013/02/28 16:05] Motor Loon: lol... found my router on the list... NETGEAR Wireless N Router (WNR2000) it sure didn't score much [2013/02/28 16:05] Motor Loon: mabye time for a new one eh [2013/02/28 16:06] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): See you next week! [2013/02/28 16:06] Nal (nalates.sonnenkern): bye all Thanks Lindens [2013/02/28 16:06] Motor Loon: Cisco Small Business RV042 Dual looks pretty decent for homeusage [2013/02/28 16:06] Techwolf Lupindo: /me bounds off for food.... [2013/02/28 16:06] Motor Loon: and not too pricy [2013/02/28 16:06] Inara Breen: ciao all [2013/02/28 16:06] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): See you, have a good weekend.