| [15:00]
| Squirrel Wood:
| Hi Rob
|
| [15:00]
| Daedalus Young:
| hi Rob
|
| [15:00]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| of course, you'd need the list for the variable length input
|
| [15:00]
| Rob Linden:
| hi folks
|
| [15:00]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| And a nice regexp matcher, too, please. :D
|
| [15:00]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| Hi Rob, did you get my query about hijacking the start of the meeting so i can get some sleep ?
|
| [15:00]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| won't take long, just 3 links to show off :-P
|
| [15:00]
| Squirrel Wood:
| Hellos Aric!
|
| [15:00]
| Rosen Janus:
| Is this an official one? XD
|
| [15:01]
| Rosen Janus:
| Hello. ^^
|
| [15:01]
| Daedalus Young:
| hi Aric
|
| [15:01]
| Aric Linden:
| hi all.
|
| [15:01]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| r/(MISC|SVC|VWR|WEB)\-([0-9]+)/
|
| [15:01]
| Benja Kepler:
| hi rob, Aric
|
| [15:01]
| Aric Linden:
| nice to see everyone
|
| [15:01]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Hi Rosen
|
| [15:01]
| Rosen Janus:
| Hello, Goldvach. ^^
|
| [15:01]
| Rob Linden:
| I lost track of the fancy new bug urler that WarKirby gave me
|
| [15:02]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| This one is more fun, anyway.
|
| [15:02]
| Squirrel Wood:
| yep.
|
| [15:02]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| We're MISCREANTS.
|
| [15:02]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| WEBROKEIT
|
| [15:02]
| Aric Linden:
| Miscreants?
|
| [15:02]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Before we start ... What about Voice in GNU/Linux?
|
| [15:02]
| Rosen Janus:
| Ah. Rob, you're into the open source stuff? o.o
|
| [15:02]
| Aric Linden:
| I prefer to think of us as elegant time utilizers
|
| [15:02]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| hehe
|
| [15:03]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Free software :)
|
| [15:03]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| that needs fixing so it doesn't llLoadURL() if there's no parameter
|
| [15:03]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I like software with full permissions. ;)
|
| [15:03]
| Aric Linden:
| Let's give it one more minute before we start
|
| [15:03]
| Rosen Janus:
| << >> I know this isn't bug-related... buy any idea when WindLight might be showing up?
|
| [15:03]
| Rosen Janus:
| but*
|
| [15:04]
| Aric Linden:
| There should be a windlight first look out in the near future
|
| [15:04]
| Benja Kepler:
| Torley has an update http://tinyurl.com/yr933b
|
| [15:04]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| Nifty
|
| [15:04]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| At last bug triade, I was told that voice for GNU/Linux would come "real soon now" .. but nothing has happened since, as far as I know.
|
| [15:05]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| For some value of "real soon now" ;)
|
| [15:05]
| Rob Linden:
| agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday Agenda
|
| [15:05]
| Rosen Janus:
| Nice place, by the way, Rob. o_o
|
| [15:05]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=JNfWKLVO3BGk50MUYEsBXw
|
| [15:05]
| Wyn Galbraith thinks her viewer hates her today.
|
| [15:05]
| Rob Linden:
| thanks
|
| [15:05]
| Aric Linden:
| Shall we start?
|
| [15:05]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| Yahoo Pipe for nabbing your posted issues
|
| [15:05]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=7KTTkvRO3BGNq2GujUnRlg
|
| [15:05]
| Rosen Janus:
| My viewer hates me, too. o.O
|
| [15:06]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| Yahoo Pipe for extracting issue IDs << meant to be used as a module in other Yahoo Pipes
|
| [15:06]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1907[c]
|
| [15:06]
| Rob Linden:
| https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
|
| [15:06]
| Rob Linden:
| there...that links better
|
| [15:06]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| http://my.slopenid.net/signpostmarv-martin/ << JIRA Issues Reported widget
|
| [15:06]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| Hehe. But we could have gotten through the other agenda so quickly... ;)
|
| [15:07]
| Rob Linden:
| Aric: you want to get started?
|
| [15:07]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Couldn't click on anything, map wouldn't load and now my focus is jumping around like a jumpin' bean. I'm ready, let's get these issues ;)
|
| [15:07]
| Aric Linden:
| yes, thanks rob
|
| [15:07]
| Squirrel Wood:
| I think this url thinger wants a /555 before the thing
|
| [15:07]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1907[c]
|
| [15:07]
| Benja Kepler:
| is VWR-1907[c] a bug? no more repro provided
|
| [15:08]
| Aric Linden:
| I'm not sure I completely understand the issue
|
| [15:08]
| Squirrel Wood:
| UI bug ?
|
| [15:08]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| It's not really clear is it.
|
| [15:08]
| Rosen Janus:
| If I could just get IE up quickly. x.x
|
| [15:08]
| Squirrel Wood:
| should be discussed tomorrow mayhaps ?
|
| [15:08]
| Benja Kepler:
| it looks like it's supposed to work that way
|
| [15:08]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| I think they're saying that the release keys button show.
|
| [15:08]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| *shows
|
| [15:08]
| Benja Kepler:
| and no more repro given
|
| [15:08]
| Aric Linden:
| maybe, but I'm not sure that it'll be any clearer tomorrow than it is today.
|
| [15:09]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| If I am not mistaken .. this is an error of the scripted objects, asking for permissions they don't need. In other words an Rx
|
| [15:09]
| Aric Linden:
| :-)
|
| [15:09]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| But the movement doesn't work?
|
| [15:09]
| Wyn Galbraith ahs.
|
| [15:09]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| It sounds like it *used* to be broken, but people got used to that behavior.
|
| [15:09]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| And now it's fixed, and they're confused.
|
| [15:09]
| Benja Kepler:
| yes, so don't 'fix' it
|
| [15:09]
| Aric Linden:
| and from the last posting, it seems as though it may be inconsistent in behavior now
|
| [15:10]
| Benja Kepler:
| needs more info, I say - like a script to demo it
|
| [15:10]
| Aric Linden:
| yes, I agree.
|
| [15:10]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| yes
|
| [15:10]
| Rob Linden:
| resolve/need info, and add UI to component for when it gets reopened?
|
| [15:10]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| They give the multitool as example.
|
| [15:10]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| Sounds good, Rob
|
| [15:10]
| Aric Linden:
| so let's mark it needs more info. Rob, are you note taking?
|
| [15:11]
| Rob Linden:
| sure, I can
|
| [15:11]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-553[c]
|
| [15:11]
| Aric Linden:
| next up (and thanks Rob!)
|
| [15:11]
| Wyn Galbraith idles for RL interruptous.
|
| [15:11]
| Squirrel Wood:
| VWR-2001[c] may be related
|
| [15:12]
| Aric Linden:
| I think this can be closed as a duplicate or tracked in the umbrella that Torley has linked to
|
| [15:12]
| Aric Linden:
| I *know* this is being actively worked this week.
|
| [15:12]
| Aric Linden:
| I had conversations about this today.
|
| [15:13]
| Rosen Janus:
| I do happen to get a lot of "gesture missing from database" errors
|
| [15:13]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Which bug is it duplicating, if you don't mind telling?
|
| [15:13]
| Aric Linden:
| Shall we leave it linked and move on?
|
| [15:13]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Same here, Rosen.
|
| [15:13]
| Kooky Jetaime:
| I'm getting the gesture missing from database, and I'm not even loading any gestures..
|
| [15:13]
| Aric Linden:
| It's duplicating the bug that torley linked to: the umbrella inventory issue.
|
| [15:14]
| Squirrel Wood:
| get it on login every time
|
| [15:14]
| Rosen Janus:
| Same here
|
| [15:14]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Does that cover "gesture missing", when you log on?
|
| [15:14]
| Squirrel Wood:
| ctrl-shift-4 may show something on the missing issue
|
| [15:15]
| Rosen Janus:
| On this login it happened five times
|
| [15:15]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| It happens at least five times to me as well.
|
| [15:15]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| It has some linked issues that aren't linked to by the umbrella meta-issue (SVC-114[c])
|
| [15:15]
| Rosen Janus:
| x.x Waiting for the page to come up
|
| [15:16]
| Aric Linden:
| I'm happy to import this and link it to the extant issue. will that suffice?
|
| [15:16]
| Squirrel Wood:
| I guess that's the best thing to do
|
| [15:16]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| The repro for me, is simply to relog, and wait for the errors ... lots of errors on the console too, I guess.
|
| [15:16]
| Aric Linden:
| Let's add it to the existing issue and move on. I'll discuss this with the team working on it.
|
| [15:16]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1985[c] is next
|
| [15:17]
| Squirrel Wood:
| download loop... should be fixable by uninstalling and reinstalling the latest client ?
|
| [15:17]
| Aric Linden:
| I see that you've already commented on this rob. How would you feel about closing it?
|
| [15:18]
| Benja Kepler:
| Rob, you made comments about the folder changing - is that fixed now? so this won't recur?
|
| [15:18]
| Rob Linden looks
|
| [15:18]
| Aric Linden:
| I suspect that you're right in your comments. We could leave it open and ask if it's still an issue.
|
| [15:18]
| Rosen Janus:
| Hm.. o.o I wish SL didn't take up so much memory. XD So my other programs will launch faster.
|
| [15:18]
| Aric Linden:
| but I'd prefer to simply close it.
|
| [15:18]
| Rob Linden:
| pedantic point: resolve not close, but yes, I concur. resolve need info
|
| [15:18]
| Benja Kepler:
| (by fixed, I meant that the folder naming has settled down)
|
| [15:18]
| Aric Linden:
| Rosen, that's because of the built in memory leak feature we added.
|
| [15:18]
| Wyn Galbraith returns.
|
| [15:19]
| Aric Linden:
| ;-)
|
| [15:19]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Yeah .. can be reopened if there is a problem.
|
| [15:19]
| Aric Linden:
| is just kidding.
|
| [15:19]
| SignpostMarv Martin:
| sleepy time for me, toodles peeps
|
| [15:19]
| Jacek Antonelli grins
|
| [15:19]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| laters
|
| [15:19]
| Turtle: Yeah, bye...
|
| [15:19]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| ciao Marv
|
| [15:19]
| Rosen Janus:
| Since it's not loading for me, what's 1985 about?
|
| [15:19]
| SignpostMarv Martin poofs
|
| [15:19]
| Daedalus Young:
| bye
|
| [15:19]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| You built in a memory leak? Now that's original.
|
| [15:19]
| Rosen Janus:
| XD
|
| [15:19]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-507[c] is next
|
| [15:19]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| part of SL tradtition
|
| [15:20]
| Wyn Galbraith sort of likes it ;)
|
| [15:20]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Rosen: Someone complains their Windows viewer keep requiring update.
|
| [15:20]
| Aric Linden:
| 1985 was about an install loop problem
|
| [15:20]
| Benja Kepler:
| I've seen this, but it isn't permanent...otherwise I wouldn't be logged in now!
|
| [15:20]
| Rosen Janus:
| Ah. Thanks, Goldvald. ^^
|
| [15:20]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Oh, I had a similar problem.
|
| [15:20]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Only it was user error.
|
| [15:20]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| I was clicking on the wrong shortcut.
|
| [15:21]
| Wyn Galbraith had to clean up her desktop.
|
| [15:22]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| It's not the same problem.
|
| [15:22]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| Hmm, not sure about SVC-507[c]
|
| [15:22]
| Rob Linden is not so sure about new bug urler....it's more work this way
|
| [15:23]
| Aric Linden:
| hmm. it seems to me that problem may have been related to our network problems of a couple weeks ago.
|
| [15:23]
| Aric Linden:
| yes?
|
| [15:23]
| Dale Glass:
| hiya :-)
|
| [15:23]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| Heya Dale
|
| [15:23]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| You need a repro to work on it at least.
|
| [15:23]
| Dale Glass:
| I'd really appreciate a card with a log of what I missed
|
| [15:23]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Hello Dale.
|
| [15:23]
| Boroondas Gupte starts preparung such card
|
| [15:24]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| chr 5
|
| [15:24]
| Object: in chr handler
|
| [15:24]
| Object: 5
|
| [15:24]
| Object: The character 5 is ASCII 53
|
| [15:24]
| Aric Linden:
| Although the timing is slightly off if the first poster had been having issues for 10 days prior to his/her initial post.
|
| [15:25]
| Dale Glass:
| thanks :-)
|
| [15:25]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| welcome :-)
|
| [15:25]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| chr
|
| [15:25]
| Object: in chr handler
|
| [15:25]
| Object: chr
|
| [15:25]
| Aric Linden:
| but the majority of the comments come from right in the middle of our internal network problems.
|
| [15:25]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Oh .. I read it as if they tried continiously for 10 days to get on, before they had success.
|
| [15:25]
| Wyn Galbraith hrms.
|
| [15:25]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Maybe we're all feeling different parts of the elephant.
|
| [15:25]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| looks like only some of them had success
|
| [15:26]
| Aric Linden:
| agrees with wyn
|
| [15:26]
| Rob Linden:
| regardless, the description needs updating if it's to stay open
|
| [15:26]
| Aric Linden:
| the timestamps indicate that the problem was persistent enough for commentary from aug 5 - 12
|
| [15:26]
| Aric Linden:
| I agree with you Rob. let's move on.
|
| [15:27]
| Rob Linden:
| resolve need info?
|
| [15:27]
| Wyn Galbraith nods.
|
| [15:27]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2001[c]
|
| [15:27]
| Aric Linden:
| yes. resolve need more info, please.
|
| [15:27]
| Object: Hello, Avatar!
|
| [15:27]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| chr
|
| [15:27]
| Object: in chr handler
|
| [15:27]
| Squirrel Wood:
| same as SVC-553[c] ?
|
| [15:27]
| Aric Linden:
| I think so, Squirrel.
|
| [15:28]
| Aric Linden:
| anyone disagree?
|
| [15:28]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I haven't read half of it yet.
|
| [15:28]
| Aric Linden:
| grins
|
| [15:28]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| :)
|
| [15:28]
| Boroondas Gupte agrees without having read most of it
|
| [15:28]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I'll take your word for it though.
|
| [15:28]
| Rob Linden:
| looks like 553 to me
|
| [15:28]
| Aric Linden:
| laughs
|
| [15:29]
| Rosen Janus:
| Odd. o.O Search isn't working for me at the moment.
|
| [15:29]
| Aric Linden:
| i wish it was all this easy.
|
| [15:29]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1888[c] is next
|
| [15:29]
| Benja Kepler:
| VWR-1888[c] needs someone who can read Japanese to test it - I haven't seen this problem in English viewer
|
| [15:29]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| listen test
|
| [15:29]
| Aric Linden:
| ahh. By coincidence, we have a japanese tester.
|
| [15:29]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| I don't think this is specific to Japanese letters
|
| [15:30]
| Aric Linden:
| grins hugely.
|
| [15:30]
| Rosen Janus:
| Eh.. just in case, watch out when the meeting is over. Search isn't working for me and neither is the map. =)
|
| [15:30]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| Notice the Latin ones are affected, too on the screenshot
|
| [15:30]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| -+
|
| [15:30]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| -*
|
| [15:30]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| I had problems with map before I got here.
|
| [15:30]
| Aric Linden:
| but I think this is already in the pipeline since it appears that it's already assigned internally
|
| [15:30]
| Benja Kepler:
| (loads of people online - and no casinos....)
|
| [15:31]
| Squirrel Wood:
| cut off messages... may eventually be related... but yesterday I kept getting chat error popups when trying to post messages longer than two or three words to group chat
|
| [15:31]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| wonder if this related to a thing we found last night
|
| [15:31]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I dunno if this is related .. but I expirienced a wierd thing: I was talking to someone in IM .. and suddenly about 18 minutes disappears from the log .. both in the IM window, and on disc....
|
| [15:31]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| testing llSetText
|
| [15:31]
| Dale Glass:
| hm, something's broken again
|
| [15:31]
| Dale Glass:
| dataserver seems to be failing
|
| [15:31]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| not all fonts are created equal in SL
|
| [15:31]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| hiragana
|
| [15:31]
| Turtle: again with the Japanese? Sheesh.
|
| [15:32]
| Aric Linden:
| Well, this appears to be in process right now. Shall we import it?
|
| [15:32]
| Squirrel Wood:
| Jalapenos ^^
|
| [15:32]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Tastey
|
| [15:32]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| the native SL font is supllimented by OS fonts, but every OS has missing chars in the set
|
| [15:32]
| Benja Kepler:
| hai!
|
| [15:32]
| Aric Linden:
| Same thing with the next one. It appears that Soft is ahead of us
|
| [15:32]
| Rob Linden:
| are they both imported?
|
| [15:33]
| Squirrel Wood:
| these two had patches attached
|
| [15:33]
| Aric Linden:
| I don't know if they're imported, but Soft has assigned them to himself.
|
| [15:33]
| Rob Linden:
| (that always helps)
|
| [15:33]
| Rob Linden:
| good enough
|
| [15:33]
| Rob Linden:
| will import if they aren't
|
| [15:33]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| could you pas that info on to Soft?
|
| [15:34]
| Rob Linden:
| Saijanai...could you add to comments?
|
| [15:34]
| Aric Linden:
| ok. thanks rob.
|
| [15:34]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| sure OK. We were playing with LLSetText and UTF-8 and found different chars were supported in different OS's
|
| [15:34]
| Aric Linden:
| on to the Misc pool
|
| [15:34]
| Dale Glass:
| the thing would be shipping an unicode font with SL
|
| [15:35]
| Rosen Janus:
| Shutterbug. =D
|
| [15:35]
| Wyn Galbraith puts on waders.
|
| [15:35]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-481[c]
|
| [15:35]
| Benja Kepler:
| I tried the scripts in SVC-481[c] and it worked ok for me
|
| [15:35]
| Dale Glass:
| I had this idea to try to use various unicode characters like icons, but almost nobody sees them
|
| [15:36]
| Rob Linden:
| resolve/cannot repro?
|
| [15:36]
| Aric Linden:
| Yes. I think so.
|
| [15:36]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| roling restart = unpredictable behavior
|
| [15:36]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| There is a repro provided though?
|
| [15:37]
| Aric Linden:
| There's a script provided.
|
| [15:37]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| "create object with the following scripts, attach it to any point, then click it. previous experience: permissions would be shared, and both page up or page down would function current experience: permissions are not shared, down.lsl does not get control() events from the page down key, while page up works. work around: move scripts into different prims in the object "
|
| [15:37]
| Rob Linden:
| What Benja's saying is that the script works (and doesn't fail as reported)
|
| [15:37]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Oh ok
|
| [15:37]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| ask teh reporter if the scripts still fail.
|
| [15:38]
| Aric Linden:
| We had several of these reported after that restart and couldn't internally repro any of them.
|
| [15:38]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Sometimes it's hard to know if it's really a problem or a glitch.
|
| [15:38]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Sounds like a glitch this time.
|
| [15:38]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I guess it could be related to sim-lag or similar. I sometimes have trouble running scripts in some sims, and they will work in another.
|
| [15:39]
| Squirrel Wood blames the evil player named "Packet Loss" for it ^^
|
| [15:39]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| during a restart, all bets are off, I've found
|
| [15:39]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Oh yeah, that one's a mean dude.
|
| [15:39]
| Daedalus Young:
| bets are off for quite some time already :P
|
| [15:39]
| Aric Linden:
| let's move on
|
| [15:39]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-82[c]
|
| [15:40]
| Wyn Galbraith has no clue about this one.
|
| [15:40]
| Aric Linden:
| I was just in a meeting with all of the QA team. I can only absorb a specific amount of cynicism a day.
|
| [15:40]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| What's a RAW file?
|
| [15:40]
| Daedalus Young:
| for heightmaps, iirc
|
| [15:40]
| Benja Kepler:
| Cynicism Threshold Exceeded
|
| [15:40]
| Maklin Deckard has a question to ask about something he has seen scripts do, once the issues have been covered, does not want to break the flow, though.
|
| [15:40]
| Aric Linden:
| grins at Benja
|
| [15:40]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| RAW is a lossless image format, AFAIK
|
| [15:41]
| Aric Linden:
| This appears to be a real issue.
|
| [15:41]
| Squirrel Wood:
| cynicism exceeded? switch over to sarcasm ^^
|
| [15:41]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Like warning sim crossing ahead. Oh, thanks Boroondas :)
|
| [15:41]
| Aric Linden:
| We've been doing some formalization of channels internally.
|
| [15:41]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| photo format, allows huge pixel sizes...
|
| [15:41]
| Rosen Janus:
| SL's broken again. >> Maps, Profiles, Linden balance. Everything's on the fritz. I'm already getting reports of "Loading..." in the balance.
|
| [15:41]
| Aric Linden:
| I'd like to import this, especially since it has useful repro files
|
| [15:41]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| So RAW is a format and not just unprocessed?
|
| [15:42]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| don't know what it stands for, but its a "raw" photo without any processing
|
| [15:42]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| a format for unprocessed images, I'd say
|
| [15:42]
| Wyn Galbraith learns something new every day.
|
| [15:42]
| Rosen Janus:
| A TIFF image?
|
| [15:42]
| Aric Linden:
| Let's take this one.
|
| [15:42]
| Wyn Galbraith wonders if she's sitting too close to Aric.
|
| [15:42]
| Benja Kepler:
| RAW files are for terrain - making aren't they?
|
| [15:42]
| Rob Linden:
| k
|
| [15:42]
| Daedalus Young:
| no, it comes closest to BMP, but without headers
|
| [15:43]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| TIFF is a different image format than RAW
|
| [15:43]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| designed for hi-rez scans of phots (really high rez)
|
| [15:43]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Rosen: If you have an expensive digi-cam, it will store the pictures in RAW .. then you convert to TIFF.
|
| [15:43]
| Aric Linden:
| For making terrain and trees and waterfalls
|
| [15:43]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Gotcha.
|
| [15:43]
| Dale Glass:
| IIRC, RAW as in SL == bitmaps with no headers at all. Just a flat dump of an image, you need to tell the program even things like the size for it to read it correctly
|
| [15:43]
| Benja Kepler:
| but the issue is about editing land isn't it?
|
| [15:43]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| ah, ok
|
| [15:43]
| Aric Linden:
| raw is a graphic format that is output by digital cameras u
|
| [15:43]
| Daedalus Young:
| that's how raw files also work in paint shop pro
|
| [15:44]
| Aric Linden:
| you can then filter them into whatever file type you want
|
| [15:44]
| Aric Linden:
| let's move on. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-94[c]
|
| [15:44]
| Dale Glass:
| RAW for digital cameras are a completely different thing AFAIK. They're a raw dump of sensor data, but may be camera dependent and have extra info attached
|
| [15:45]
| Rosen Janus:
| Ah. Search is back now. =)
|
| [15:45]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| So in short ... good question, Rosen. ;)
|
| [15:45]
| Rob Linden:
| I started to comment on MISC-94[c], and then got distracted before I could look up the video diagnostic page to point this person to
|
| [15:46]
| Boroondas Gupte:
| there's a video diagnostic page?
|
| [15:46]
| Squirrel Wood:
| most likely a driver issue
|
| [15:46]
| Rob Linden:
| yeah...we've got a writeup somewhere telling people how to report graphics card issues
|
| [15:46]
| Aric Linden:
| I'm wondering if these folks are using the french version of XP?
|
| [15:46]
| Aric Linden:
| since they're talking about graphiques
|
| [15:47]
| Wyn Galbraith's pointed ears perk.
|
| [15:47]
| Rob Linden:
| is there some known issue with French XP?
|
| [15:47]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| on that note, what about intel internal graphics support? lots of hte new laptops are inboard graphcis only
|
| [15:47]
| Aric Linden:
| Not that I know of
|
| [15:47]
| Aric Linden:
| not now saijanai, i'll be glad to talk with you about that offline
|
| [15:47]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| KK
|
| [15:47]
| Aric Linden:
| but i'd like to stay on focus
|
| [15:47]
| Laetizia Coronet:
| WHat about right here right now with just about everything down? Sorry
|
| [15:48]
| Aric Linden:
| sure thing Saijanai
|
| [15:48]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| at the end if there/s time?
|
| [15:48]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Laetizia: THats offtopic, someone will deal with it.
|
| [15:48]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Warning warning Will Robinson, Linden is overheating.
|
| [15:48]
| Benja Kepler:
| (arms flail about)
|
| [15:49]
| Aric Linden:
| I don't think that there should be an issue with french XP
|
| [15:49]
| Aric Linden:
| and the drivers should be the same.
|
| [15:49]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Like I hope they will with voice for GNU/Linux. ;)
|
| [15:49]
| Squirrel Wood:
| Well, since they use ordinateurs instead of computers... mayhaps that's the issue ;)
|
| [15:49]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Well, drivers down't have to speak French. They just have to speak driver.
|
| [15:50]
| Aric Linden:
| right, but maybe if the user went to the french site to download latest drivers, they weren't the same rev as the american ones
|
| [15:50]
| Aric Linden:
| who can tell what's in the heart of intel?
|
| [15:50]
| Squirrel Wood:
| they'd get the international download
|
| [15:50]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| That should only include error messages though.
|
| [15:51]
| Benja Kepler:
| so, where were we?
|
| [15:51]
| Jacek Antonelli:
| wb Rob
|
| [15:51]
| Aric Linden:
| I think we need more information.
|
| [15:51]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Also .. a translation can sometimes trigger a bug .. not very likely with graphics driver, but possible.
|
| [15:51]
| Aric Linden:
| true goldvald
|
| [15:51]
| Rob Linden:
| International pages of Ati are mostly in sync with US ones.
|
| [15:51]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| different length string
|
| [15:52]
| Aric Linden:
| drivers too, Boroondas?
|
| [15:52]
| Rob Linden:
| especially the drivers, I guess
|
| [15:52]
| Jacek Antonelli heads out. Take care, all!
|
| [15:52]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| laters
|
| [15:52]
| Turtle: Yeah, bye...
|
| [15:52]
| Daedalus Young:
| bye
|
| [15:52]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Boroodas: I wouldn't be so sure unless you know something about how ATI handles that stuff.
|
| [15:53]
| Aric Linden:
| I don't know. Sometimes they are slower to finish the testing of drivers etc
|
| [15:53]
| Rob Linden:
| that's just from expreriance, I know nothing about how they release drivers
|
| [15:53]
| Aric Linden:
| it's easy to keep pages up to date, but validating the different OS's and drivers is probably a little more difficult.
|
| [15:54]
| Aric Linden:
| Rob, can we ask for more info? I'm curious to know if these are french users and drivers?
|
| [15:54]
| Squirrel Wood:
| more info is definitely needed
|
| [15:54]
| Boroondas Gupte goes and checks if there are even localized versions of the drivers
|
| [15:55]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Messages are usually in separate files for translation and folded in.
|
| [15:55]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Well I shouldn't say usually.
|
| [15:55]
| Rob Linden:
| :-P
|
| [15:56]
| Aric Linden:
| Shall we move on?
|
| [15:56]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Yes please.
|
| [15:56]
| Benja Kepler:
| yes
|
| [15:56]
| Aric Linden:
| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-375[c]
|
| [15:56]
| Aric Linden:
| Rob, you having DSL probs?
|
| [15:56]
| Rob Linden:
| apparently
|
| [15:56]
| Rob Linden:
| not sure what's up
|
| [15:57]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| I vote for that one.
|
| [15:57]
| Wyn Galbraith doesn't have a Mac.
|
| [15:57]
| Boroondas Gupte gives up on navigating the ATi page while in SL
|
| [15:57]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I'm guessing different setup.
|
| [15:57]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| its apparently related to the opengl threading on the mac
|
| [15:57]
| Daedalus Young:
| I have an Intel Mac, it's fine here
|
| [15:57]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| O
|
| [15:57]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I
|
| [15:57]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| shows up in laggy zones
|
| [15:57]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I've seen SL run like a dream on a power pc.
|
| [15:57]
| Aric Linden:
| Please give Saijanai a gold star
|
| [15:58]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Oximoron? Intel Mac?
|
| [15:58]
| Aric Linden:
| cuz I bet he's right
|
| [15:58]
| Benja Kepler:
| Oxymoron
|
| [15:58]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| power pc != intel.
|
| [15:58]
| Wyn Galbraith facepalms. "Not a good spelling day..."
|
| [15:58]
| Aric Linden:
| Rob, please import this and assign it to me.
|
| [15:58]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| all new macs (for over a year?) are based on intel chips and are Windows compatible
|
| [15:59]
| Aric Linden:
| I'll pass it along to the mac folks. Poppy and I are working the OpenGL issues with them
|
| [15:59]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Really? Using MacOS? I should look into those.
|
| [15:59]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I don't think this bug is really platform related.
|
| [15:59]
| Benja Kepler:
| gosh, those 2 guys called Steve must be doing ok
|
| [15:59]
| Aric Linden:
| you can run both macos and windows on them
|
| [15:59]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I also expirience typing getting slow sometimes.
|
| [15:59]
| Aric Linden:
| on a mac?
|
| [15:59]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| But its because I change settings.
|
| [15:59]
| Rob Linden:
| could someone give me a notecard with the last 15 minutes on it?
|
| [15:59]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| No, on a 64-bit gnu/Linux box.
|
| [15:59]
| Daedalus Young:
| true, but I don't want to waste my precious iMac with Windoze
|
| [15:59]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| or in parallels with WIndows in its own window running 95% native speed
|
| [16:00]
| Aric Linden:
| Rob, I will.
|
| [16:00]
| Aric Linden:
| you didn't miss much. we're on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-375[c]
|
| [16:00]
| Rob Linden:
| thanks
|
| [16:00]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| I think if the graphics card is overloaded or something .. typing may be slow... or maybe its the network setting, I am not sure.
|
| [16:00]
| Aric Linden:
| and I'd like to import it and have it assigned to me.
|
| [16:00]
| Rob Linden:
| got it
|
| [16:01]
| Aric Linden:
| Sometimes it's just lag in the network or high concurrency, Goldvald
|
| [16:01]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Yeah .. but if I change the settings, it gets better.
|
| [16:01]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| A comment: I see SL laggyness sometimes slow text input in other Mac apps when they are in front of SL
|
| [16:02]
| Aric Linden:
| What do you mean, Saijanai?
|
| [16:02]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| That sounds like an OS issue.
|
| [16:02]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| even after switching to another app, the responsiveness of teh Mac can remain slow.
|
| [16:02]
| Aric Linden:
| That's memory.
|
| [16:03]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| might be 3.5 GB now. Don't recall if I had that when I saw the issue though
|
| [16:03]
| Wyn Galbraith:
| Built in memory leak for Macs jk.
|
| [16:03]
| Aric Linden:
| I think we'll call it a day folks. it's after 4
|
| [16:03]
| Benja Kepler:
| ok! g'night all
|
| [16:03]
| Aric Linden:
| Thanks for attending and your interest. We appreciate it.
|
| [16:03]
| Saijanai Kuhn:
| laters
|
| [16:03]
| Turtle: Yeah, bye...
|
| [16:03]
| Goldvald Enoch:
| Good night.
|
| [16:03]
| Squirrel Wood:
| thanks for listening to our opinions and suggestions ^^
|
