Doc Team/2009-06-24

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  • [13:02 SLT] Jon Linden: just waiting for folks to rez
  • [13:02 SLT] Erinyse Planer: if yould like some intresteing reading ild behappy to share a link
  • [13:02 SLT] Youri Ashton: I noticed you were working on Hellen Keller day as well Torley!
  • [13:02 SLT] Lisa Lowe: Hiya
  • [13:02 SLT] Youri Ashton: great seeing you on the land there as well :)
  • [13:02 SLT] Youri Ashton: hey jeremy :)
  • [13:02 SLT] WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Youri Ashton has pinged you.
  • [13:02 SLT] Jeremy Linden: Hello!
  • [13:02 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra stares down in interest at Torley, who seems to have been absorbed by the couch . . .
  • [13:03 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Hello Jeremy
  • [13:03 SLT] WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Scylla Rhiadra has pinged you.
  • [13:03 SLT] Torley Linden: i'm kinda short y'see
  • [13:03 SLT] Erinyse Planer: jeremey, torley, and kate. you guys might want to peek at http://lindenw.blogspot.com/ when you can
  • [13:03 SLT] Tourmaline Falken: Am I late?
  • [13:03 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Ah, yes
  • [13:03 SLT] Youri Ashton: oh, I updated my bear, it reacts to Max the dog now
  • [13:04 SLT] Karin Redgrave: hello
  • [13:04 SLT] Youri Ashton: hi karin (also from the Netherlands? perhaps?)
  • [13:04 SLT] Karin Redgrave: maybe
  • [13:04 SLT] Youri Ashton: lol, dotn worry, i wont stalk you :)
  • [13:04 SLT] Tourmaline Falken: Hi everyone
  • [13:04 SLT] Youri Ashton: im in the translator team with Lisa
  • [13:05 SLT] Torley Linden: so, things that are new and exciting... we're continuing to make progress on the KB2Wiki project, it's getting closer to launch!
  • [13:05 SLT] Lisa Lowe: ik trok karin hier niksvermoedend binnen :)
  • [13:05 SLT] Youri Ashton: lol, vandaar Lisa :)
  • [13:05 SLT] Karin Redgrave: inderdaad
  • [13:05 SLT] Zai Lynch: yay! ^^
  • [13:06 SLT] Youri Ashton: welkom Karin (welcome Karin)
  • [13:06 SLT] Karin Redgrave: not really dressed for the occasion
  • [13:06 SLT] Torley Linden: http://tr.im/kb2wiki <- summary and details, testing Knowledge Base Beginners articles in the wiki so they're easier to find, link to, and can be updated by Residents
  • [13:06 SLT] Erinyse Planer: nice
  • [13:06 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: LOL, WIKI! I thought you had said KIWI
  • [13:06 SLT] Youri Ashton: lol
  • [13:06 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I was wondering what New Zealand had to do with this . .
  • [13:06 SLT] Torley Linden: if we turned knowledge into kiwis that'd be truly delicious.
  • [13:06 SLT] Zai Lynch: ^^
  • [13:07 SLT] Youri Ashton: it it were a fruit or something simular, then it probably be something torley loves ;)
  • [13:07 SLT] Youri Ashton: get the hint ;)
  • [13:07 SLT] Youri Ashton: hey arawn!
  • [13:07 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Is it ok if I ask a quick policy question?
  • [13:07 SLT] Jeremy Linden: Fruit of knowledge? Didn't that go badly when someone tried it in real life?
  • [13:08 SLT] Torley Linden: go ahead Scylla :)
  • [13:08 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I promise not to use the word "Zindra"
  • [13:08 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: oopps
  • [13:08 SLT] Erinyse Planer giggles at jeremy
  • [13:08 SLT] WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Erinyse Planer has pinged you.
  • [13:08 SLT] Torley Linden: hahah Jeremy... the thought of that parallel came to mind
  • [13:08 SLT] WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Torley Linden has pinged you.
  • [13:08 SLT] Youri Ashton: lol
  • [13:08 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: Zindra!
  • [13:08 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Weird; I logged into an unknown sim, and was noght but a formless star in a formless void. Did we just change server versions?
  • [13:08 SLT] Jon Linden: if it's about documentation policy, i could be more confident we'd have a good answer!
  • [13:08 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: It is, yes
  • [13:09 SLT] Jon Linden gives a gelatinous thumbs-up
  • [13:09 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: is the wiki a part of documentation?
  • [13:09 SLT] Arawn Spitteler considers Zindra to be the experimental documentation of adult activities.
  • [13:09 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I would like to know why LL doesn't rationalize the various different places where one finds policy on allowable and prohibited content
  • [13:09 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: yes
  • [13:09 SLT] Jon Linden: scylla, can you elaborate?
  • [13:09 SLT] Torley Linden: yes, Thunderclap, in its own special ways, although much of it is Resident-created and not officially endorsed by Linden Lab, although it may be quite beneficial.
  • [13:10 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: LL Would first have to ratonalize the difference, in a world of Diversity
  • [13:10 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Well, right now, sexualized age play, for example, isn't mentioned explicitly in the ToS or the CS at all
  • [13:10 SLT] Torley Linden: the KB2Wiki project will help us, the Doc Team, be more active participants in bridging Resident-to-official knowledge.
  • [13:10 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: It's in a knowledge base article
  • [13:10 SLT] Jon Linden: ah, good point
  • [13:10 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: because I created a trademark page with a list of all the licenced Trademarks in world (that I can remeber) and have verified
  • [13:10 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: While the prohibition against rape and violent sexuality is in a SL BLog posting
  • [13:10 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: and Jon are you cool and fruity?
  • [13:11 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Yet, everyone keeps referring to the ToS and CS, which are, apparently, incomplete
  • [13:11 SLT] Erinyse Planer: theres nothing in the kb about child avatars and zindra either
  • [13:11 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Wouldn't it me much clearer if this stuff were all incorporated in a single document?
  • [13:11 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Or maybe two, the CS and ToS?
  • [13:11 SLT] Jon Linden: scylla, absolutely
  • [13:11 SLT] Youri Ashton: hey, Sejong is close i see :) Wonder how he is doing :)
  • [13:11 SLT] Torley Linden: @Erinyse that's incorrect. search the KB for "ageplay"
  • [13:12 SLT] Arawn Spitteler couldn't search the name of the inventory of Ivory Soap, due to CS
  • [13:12 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: so the issue with the child avatar on zindra is still thorny eh
  • [13:12 SLT] Jon Linden: actually, i think erinyse is asking specifically whether you can take a child-shaped avatar to zindra
  • [13:12 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Only those who pretend to be over 18 are permitted on Zindra
  • [13:12 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Well, I'm not even particularly concerned about Z . . . I mean, that adult place
  • [13:12 SLT] Jon Linden: which i don't know the answer to
  • [13:12 SLT] Erinyse Planer: depending on where you look in kd abd blogs some say zindra will allow them some say no
  • [13:12 SLT] Erinyse Planer: *and
  • [13:13 SLT] Torley Linden: any supposedly conflicting Linden sources *need* to be substantiated. there's been hearsay and inaccurate assumptions which help *no* one.
  • [13:13 SLT] Torley Linden: be sure to see http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4781 and this is true for Second Life in general.
  • [13:13 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Well, that's the other thing. People are quoting office hours transcripts as though they were law
  • [13:13 SLT] Erinyse Planer: speaking off duty and unofficially, I would highly suggest banning child avi's from zindra.
  • [13:13 SLT] Zai Lynch: what I was curious about... is there a connection between some German minister and the former working name of the adult continent? ^^
  • [13:13 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Hello everyone
  • [13:14 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Niky
  • [13:14 SLT] Niky Zenovka: :) Hi
  • [13:14 SLT] Torley Linden: Scylla, i'd have to see proof of that in-context. discussion and ideas happen at office hours but important policy is *always* referenced in a more formal way.
  • [13:15 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Oh, I don't mean that the Linden's are using it that way
  • [13:15 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I mean that residents are
  • [13:15 SLT] Torley Linden: if someone ever tells you "i heard a Linden said this...", they NEED to substantiate that, provide proof. otherwise, treat it as an unfounded rumor or someone too lazy to look up a page link.
  • [13:15 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Yes, understood
  • [13:15 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I am, honestly, more interested in the KB article on age play
  • [13:15 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: and the 2007 SL BLog posting on sexual violence
  • [13:16 SLT] Torley Linden: i know that sounds obvious but it comes up a surprising amount of times =) unfortunately we can't control if people choose to not be correct, but... we can highlight and emphasize our policies.
  • [13:16 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Ok, but this is the problem
  • [13:16 SLT] Arawn Spitteler offers Caveat: Anyone looking for support at Linden Office Hours must allow for highly incorrect responses.
  • [13:16 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Is the 2007 SL Blog article "Policy"?
  • [13:16 SLT] Torley Linden: also re: dates, things have shifted and changed over time. so that needs to be taken into consideration too. link, Scylla?
  • [13:16 SLT] Erinyse Planer: jeremey, torley, any chance we can get an explicitly documented yes or no on if child avis will be allowed in zindra preferably before much longer since ive already seen several there?
  • [13:16 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: lol
  • [13:16 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: And if it is, why is it not in the CS?
  • [13:17 SLT] Jon Linden: erinyse, the best i can do is tell you that it's a complex question that's out of my team's jurisdiction to answer
  • [13:17 SLT] Jeremy Linden nods.
  • [13:17 SLT] Jon Linden: i have no doubt somebody's thinking about it, but i'm not privy to their brain activity
  • [13:17 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: i would assume that child avs wouldnt be so as to avoid the appearance of evil
  • [13:17 SLT] Youri Ashton: lol, poor Sejong. He is about to go to war witha griefer
  • [13:17 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: But the policy statements that are not currently part of the CS amd ToS . . . they are documents too, no?
  • [13:17 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: At nieun, I was getting mesages, that I was kicked for being a child avie, which I'm not, and I wasn't
  • [13:17 SLT] Erinyse Planer turns to jon and nods. "its one that whichever team in chage of it really should answer though. you got child avis having sex in zindra
  • [13:18 SLT] Jon Linden: scylla, your question is absolutely a good one
  • [13:18 SLT] Jon Linden: consolidating all of the policy-related information is undoubtedly a good idea for all parties
  • [13:18 SLT] Jon Linden: us, and you
  • [13:18 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Do you think it will happen?
  • [13:19 SLT] Jon Linden: it should!
  • [13:19 SLT] Jon Linden: i'm making a note to ping our legal team
  • [13:19 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: And would the updating of the CS and ToS for AO not be a good time to do it?
  • [13:19 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Yay!
  • [13:19 SLT] Jon Linden: unquestionably
  • [13:19 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Thank you Jon.
  • [13:19 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: It's an area, where anyone who tries to commit to an answer, for self or corporation, is going to get an argument.
  • [13:19 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: It's highly problematic, I know
  • [13:19 SLT] Torley Linden: Scylla, also -- remember this is true not just for Second Life but legal documents in general -- they try to cover a broad range of bases but EVERY possibility can never be accounted for, so note the parts where it mentions "at our discretion".
  • [13:19 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Absolutely
  • [13:19 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: can the legal team also send me the metric I requested 2 weeks ago on if 80% of the user base is over 21.
  • [13:20 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: its holding up a licenceing
  • [13:20 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I don't think I'd WANT an inflexible set of guidelines
  • [13:20 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I think there always has to be room for judgement
  • [13:20 SLT] Thunderclap Morgridge: i must go thnaks!
  • [13:20 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Bye Thunder
  • [13:20 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: I don't think that metric exists
  • [13:20 SLT] Torley Linden: i agree if you're curious about something reasonable, it should be easily findable (and shareable so you can provide it to others as needed).
  • [13:20 SLT] Erinyse Planer: jon may i im you ?
  • [13:20 SLT] Torley Linden: historically we've provided occasional demographic data, i'm not sure where we are on that, currently.
  • [13:21 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Whether I'm over 21, or just look over forty, would violate my privacy
  • [13:21 SLT] Erinyse Planer: true arawyn
  • [13:22 SLT] Jon Linden: most of my attention has to remain focused on public chat, just to make sure i dont' miss anything
  • [13:22 SLT] Arawn Spitteler wonders, on another note, whether Evian has arrived: Torley, have you seen the comments of th last hour, on VWR-13047?
  • [13:23 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: What is that one about, Arawn?
  • [13:23 SLT] Karin Redgrave: sorry guys, but i have to leave
  • [13:23 SLT] Torley Linden: reading now, Arawn.
  • [13:23 SLT] Youri Ashton: awww
  • [13:23 SLT] Karin Redgrave: enjoyu your meeting
  • [13:23 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Whether we can click on the MotD, during log ini
  • [13:23 SLT] Jeremy Linden: Thanks for coming!
  • [13:23 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Bye Karin
  • [13:23 SLT] Youri Ashton: bye bye karin, thanks for coming!
  • [13:23 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Oh, you can'
  • [13:23 SLT] Kate Linden: Thanks for joining us Karin.
  • [13:23 SLT] Torley Linden: quick answers:
  • [13:23 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: can't, can you?
  • [13:23 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I can't
  • [13:23 SLT] Torley Linden: * http://tr.im links are used elsewhere (like in blog posts), so best not to change them.
  • [13:24 SLT] Torley Linden: *MOTD link styling hasn't been added yet. it will hopefully be in a future Viewer so you KNOW when it's clicked.
  • [13:24 SLT] Torley Linden: (and it will look like a link to begin with.)
  • [13:24 SLT] Erinyse Planer: if i click anywhere on the login screen i get my browser oepning. even if theres not a link in the motd (it jsut opens a blank page then)
  • [13:24 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: It doesn't look clickable, and doesn't acknowledge clicks, but works for me. It's kind of like trying to use a microwave, when you don't know what it was built for. I understand a Poodle actually died that way.
  • [13:24 SLT] Torley Linden: agree Arawn. that's a "to be fixed in the future", as i noted earlier in that same issue.
  • [13:25 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Someone commented that it worked, but that wasn't the question. I also thought of a way to keep the TR.im short
  • [13:25 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Where is .im?
  • [13:25 SLT] Torley Linden: it's frustrating as it's a half-finished sort of thing so that's why we have the wording to "CLICK THIS LINK" so often. yes, we found that does increase traffic.
  • [13:26 SLT] Torley Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Motd has more background for anyone wondering about the Message of the Day. :)
  • [13:26 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Blond question, sorry, is there a way to open the client browser without clicking on a link>? Like today I line chat the link I want and then click on it...
  • [13:26 SLT] Jon Linden: niky, that's actually a good question
  • [13:26 SLT] Jon Linden: i don't know!
  • [13:27 SLT] Torley Linden: @Niky easy workaround is Help menu > Official Linden Blog IF you have links set to open in the in-Viewer browser.
  • [13:27 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I usually type in http://google.ca
  • [13:27 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: lol
  • [13:27 SLT] Torley Linden: there's also Advanced menu > UI > Web Browser Test.
  • [13:27 SLT] Youri Ashton: I do know how to get multiple accounts on the same pc online :p
  • [13:27 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Just that sometimes don't want to chat something on a public chat...
  • [13:27 SLT] Youri Ashton: handy trick I needed for snowglobe testing
  • [13:27 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Ah, let me see... thanks Torley
  • [13:28 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: http://nakedsweatybodies.com?
  • [13:28 SLT] Niky Zenovka: lol
  • [13:28 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Yeah, i have that problem too
  • [13:28 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: lol
  • [13:28 SLT] Niky Zenovka: That works Torley....
  • [13:28 SLT] Zai Lynch: snowglobe should run side by side with the normal viewer even when you don't set the --multiple variable, or? /me thinks
  • [13:28 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Thanks
  • [13:28 SLT] Torley Linden: you're totally welcome Niky.
  • [13:28 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Safe to try your link Scylla?
  • [13:28 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Jeremy Linden* lmao *Jeremy Linden
  • [13:29 SLT] Youri Ashton: lol
  • [13:29 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: lol, I wish!!!
  • [13:29 SLT] Erinyse Planer: zai i have to set the variable in order for it to run
  • [13:29 SLT] Torley Linden: i've been liking the Snowglobe map improvements a lot. World Map loads so much faster! i think there are under-the-hood texture improvements but i haven't noticed too much of a surge there.
  • [13:29 SLT] Zai Lynch: hm... I see... need to test that later...
  • [13:29 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: I must go too. Jon and Torley, thanks so much for answer my question!
  • [13:29 SLT] Torley Linden: you're welcome Scylla! have an awesome day!
  • [13:29 SLT] Youri Ashton: ow Torley, im working on euhm.. a little joke for you... im pretty sure you will enjoy it!
  • [13:30 SLT] Torley Linden: interestingly enough in Snowglobe's Preferences, Maximum Bandwidth can go up to 5000 kbps instead or 1500 kbps. i've never seen it use that much, tho.
  • [13:30 SLT] Scylla Rhiadra: Thanks! Bye all!
  • [13:30 SLT] Youri Ashton: bye bye!
  • [13:30 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Bye Scylla
  • [13:30 SLT] Jon Linden: i do what i can!
  • [13:30 SLT] Youri Ashton: my version of snowglobe never even got close to that torley
  • [13:30 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Is NakedSweatyBodies supposed to load, or just a joke? My Firefox is getting slow.
  • [13:30 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Snowglobe map? Where is that? Guess I missed part of the conversation
  • [13:31 SLT] Youri Ashton: its just a little better then other versions in speed
  • [13:31 SLT] Erinyse Planer: a joke i think
  • [13:31 SLT] Erinyse Planer: lol
  • [13:31 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: I'm checking it out anyways.
  • [13:31 SLT] Torley Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe <- more info :)
  • [13:31 SLT] Youri Ashton: snowglobe is a SL viewer, official one
  • [13:31 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: http://www.amazonwomen.com was something of a disappointment, as I recall.
  • [13:31 SLT] Torley Linden: it's quite new so don't worry if you haven't heard of it before.
  • [13:31 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Oh, cool...
  • [13:32 SLT] Youri Ashton: a few residents, like me, have been testing this new viewer for several weeks now
  • [13:32 SLT] Laurent Bechir: is it supposed to replace the actual one ?
  • [13:32 SLT] Harleen Gretzky: You can download it here: http://secondlife.com/download
  • [13:32 SLT] Torley Linden: a Linden team is working on Snowglobe but some of the features are *experimental* and we can't support them in a full, well, official capacity until they make it into the main Viewer.
  • [13:32 SLT] Erinyse Planer: my understanding is that its suppsoed to be merged into the standard like windlight was?
  • [13:33 SLT] Youri Ashton: not yet yeah, we all workign on getting the bugs out so the team can work further on it
  • [13:33 SLT] Torley Linden: if you've seen the guy from Hands Free 3D, he's one of the guys responsible for map improvements.
  • [13:34 SLT] Torley Linden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t52gkAwJq8 <- like, a year before Natal was announced
  • [13:34 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Does it have all features of current client, or it has some limited options?
  • [13:34 SLT] Youri Ashton: mini map shows a lot of problems with snowglobe, but that might be graphical issues somehow
  • [13:34 SLT] Torley Linden: Niky, it's pretty close. almost all, and of course, the changes listed on the wiki page.
  • [13:34 SLT] Torley Linden: what sort of problems have you listed, Youri?
  • [13:34 SLT] Harleen Gretzky: Snowglobe was publicly released today
  • [13:34 SLT] Youri Ashton: only happens around grasmere/pooley area tho
  • [13:34 SLT] Erinyse Planer: yeps
  • [13:34 SLT] Torley Linden: er, noticed, i mean, not listed
  • [13:35 SLT] Erinyse Planer hasnt decided if i like snowglobe or not yet. but notices it runs better then 1.23
  • [13:35 SLT] Youri Ashton: i know torley, I wanted to discuss that problem with the bug triage team responsable for snowglobe, but i could not enter since the sim was full
  • [13:35 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Well.... will try Snowglobe on Mac...
  • [13:35 SLT] Torley Linden: awe, sounds like it must've been pretty popular!
  • [13:35 SLT] Youri Ashton: so i have to try tomorrow again
  • [13:36 SLT] Youri Ashton: its not the viewer ;)
  • [13:36 SLT] Erinyse Planer: triage has been taken over by protesters *shrugs*
  • [13:36 SLT] Youri Ashton: its something else that is catchign the attention of the people
  • [13:36 SLT] Harleen Gretzky: Monday triage usually does not discuss Snowglobe
  • [13:36 SLT] Youri Ashton: usually there can be a lot more people join after 30 minutes
  • [13:36 SLT] Youri Ashton: i know harleen
  • [13:36 SLT] Youri Ashton: thats tomorrow
  • [13:37 SLT] Erinyse Planer: but theres talk of a new resident run triage if a good LL liason to take care fo the importing can be found
  • [13:37 SLT] Youri Ashton: i received my smoke trail and ended that within 24 hours
  • [13:37 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Sounds like one person with lots of alts. Set G-Team to investigate, next triage
  • [13:37 SLT] Erinyse Planer: jsut a ton of obnoxious tinies no offense to any tinies here. *does actually like most tinies*
  • [13:38 SLT] Harleen Gretzky: Monday triage has lots of protesters of SVC-1509 every week
  • [13:38 SLT] Youri Ashton: no arawn, just a few peopel that are p-off becouse something is not going as they wish
  • [13:38 SLT] Youri Ashton: they were there last week thursday as well
  • [13:38 SLT] Harleen Gretzky: ahhh
  • [13:38 SLT] Youri Ashton: p-off people usually mess up meetings
  • [13:38 SLT] Youri Ashton: they dont think before acting
  • [13:39 SLT] Youri Ashton: sad but true
  • [13:39 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: What was 1509? Ah, Chat Borked? Why don't a lot of Linidens join in?
  • [13:39 SLT] Torley Linden: i understand the need to vent and share frustrations but it doesn't do any good to interfere from progress others are trying to make
  • [13:39 SLT] Youri Ashton: in their actions they grief others unfortunately
  • [13:39 SLT] Erinyse Planer shrugs
  • [13:39 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Oh my... RL is sending me a TP.... have to go... nice seeing you all...
  • [13:39 SLT] Youri Ashton: oki, bye bye niky :)
  • [13:39 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: I think it's mostly one person, with multiple alts. That would count as a Schizo Griefer
  • [13:39 SLT] Torley Linden: so many misunderstandings i've seen would be easily clarified if someone took a few minutes to read a blog post or KB article instead of jumping to conclusions
  • [13:39 SLT] Torley Linden: have a good one Niky!
  • [13:40 SLT] Erinyse Planer: i dotn care anymore. after two of the protesters caged me and a friend i equipped an counter orbit shield. and got banned from attending triage becuase the tinies complained *Shrugs*
  • [13:40 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Bye Bye.... take care everyone...
  • [13:40 SLT] Youri Ashton: true torley
  • [13:40 SLT] Niky Zenovka: Bye Torley, Youri, <your name here>
  • [13:40 SLT] Youri Ashton: some people jump to conclusions way to fast and only have that infront of their eyes, tunnel vision.
  • [13:41 SLT] Torley Linden: it's observable that despite how technologically advanced we've gotten, humans are still very much reactive, fight-or-flight, and aren't always rational enough to use tools wisely
  • [13:41 SLT] Youri Ashton: they tend to see only that objective and dont care what other people, that are usually there, want, they just want their answers and their way
  • [13:41 SLT] Erinyse Planer shrugs
  • [13:41 SLT] Erinyse Planer: a resident should have the right to defend themselves
  • [13:41 SLT] Youri Ashton: so, for short, they grief others for their own selfish reasons
  • [13:42 SLT] Torley Linden: this is a human problem, not just a Second Life problem -- but it's interesting to see how SL will add to conversational richness and help people express themselves in ways they couldn't in other media
  • [13:42 SLT] Torley Linden: i got a tweet earlier from someone crippled who likes to dance in SL
  • [13:42 SLT] Youri Ashton: Kate, last week at your meeting, that girl that took up a lot of the meeting time. she was doing that for weeks ever since the pg/adult thing started
  • [13:42 SLT] Youri Ashton: last friday
  • [13:42 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Oh, yo mean Einyse?
  • [13:43 SLT] Youri Ashton: no
  • [13:43 SLT] Youri Ashton: euhm...
  • [13:43 SLT] Youri Ashton: TumbleWeed Loopen
  • [13:43 SLT] Kate Linden: Youri, I'm hoping that the recent articles we have added to the KB since the release of 1.23 will help answer a lot of questions such as the person at my office hour had.
  • [13:44 SLT] Youri Ashton: sadly, i have to say that she still is in my IM talking about those things
  • [13:44 SLT] Torley Linden: i'd suggest if you can't come to amicable terms, use the Mute button
  • [13:44 SLT] Youri Ashton: i told her to chill and stop going to every meeting like that
  • [13:45 SLT] Youri Ashton: sadly, she is suppost to be a friend... o_0
  • [13:45 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Invite her here, if she's in world
  • [13:45 SLT] Youri Ashton: im not close to muting her tho
  • [13:45 SLT] Youri Ashton: not far*
  • [13:46 SLT] Youri Ashton: mega prim attack!
  • [13:46 SLT] Youri Ashton: saw one flashing on the mini map
  • [13:47 SLT] Zai Lynch: ^^
  • [13:47 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Something from Hawkshead?
  • [13:47 SLT] Erinyse Planer: hey if i share a link to a blog that mentiones three lindens in particular could one of the lindens here make sure it gets passed on to them?
  • [13:47 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Why don't you just IM the Lindens Mentioned?
  • [13:47 SLT] Youri Ashton: think placed in pooley
  • [13:48 SLT] Youri Ashton: it covers help island
  • [13:48 SLT] Youri Ashton: partly this sim as well
  • [13:48 SLT] Erinyse Planer: meh cuase I have my reasons lol
  • [13:48 SLT] Youri Ashton: griefers love today it seems
  • [13:49 SLT] Torley Linden: i hardly forward stuff on anymore unless it's exceptionally useful and actionable, i get too much sent my way and i appreciate all the cool discoveries but can't reply to all =)
  • [13:49 SLT] Torley Linden: sadly my experiments in cloning have been a complete and utter failure
  • [13:49 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: What's te blog?
  • [13:49 SLT] Erinyse Planer: lol
  • [13:49 SLT] Erinyse Planer: http://lindenw.blogspot.com/2009/06/helping-hand-or-three.html
  • [13:49 SLT] Youri Ashton: I dont speak to any Linden unless needed to, or simply asking for a bear :)
  • [13:50 SLT] Torley Linden: bear requests are always welcome :-D
  • [13:50 SLT] Erinyse Planer: I try to only annoy three lindens a day
  • [13:50 SLT] Youri Ashton: I might be known to some Linden's, but that doesnt mean I harras them all the time :p
  • [13:50 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Content Warning
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  • [13:50 SLT] Youri Ashton: they need to do their jobs like i do mine :)
  • [13:50 SLT] Erinyse Planer points to the four near by then at cg. "i gotta skip tomarrow to keep my numbers down"
  • [13:50 SLT] Erinyse Planer: click through that arawn
  • [13:50 SLT] Arawn Spitteler doesn't know why Goodle would care.
  • [13:51 SLT] Torley Linden: it's always a tricky balance, talking about work vs. getting work done -- office hours help provide a space to chat about stuff we do and want you to benefit from!
  • [13:51 SLT] Zai Lynch: speaking of which... the wiki got updated to 1.14 this night + new extensions and such. when is the import goin to start? :-)
  • [13:51 SLT] Youri Ashton: true Torley, the line of what you can and can not discuss, or for that matter bother any Linden for, is just very hard to see
  • [13:52 SLT] Youri Ashton: thats why i choose not to IM unless needed
  • [13:52 SLT] Torley Linden: Zai, SHARP EYES. we're wrapping up some "final stretch" details. can't commit to a time. but shouldn't be long. we hope.
  • [13:52 SLT] Jon Linden: what torley said!
  • [13:52 SLT] Zai Lynch: kewl :-)
  • [13:52 SLT] Arawn Spitteler: Joppa, Twilight and Teagan being commended?
  • [13:52 SLT] Youri Ashton: Dessie and me talk a bit tho, she is even the first 'Linden' friend I have
  • [13:52 SLT] Erinyse Planer: yeah
  • [13:52 SLT] Torley Linden: Youri, this is what i recommend my fellow Lindens include that info in their profile. Dessie did AWESOME RELEASE NOTES for 1.23
  • [13:52 SLT] Youri Ashton: hey Alexa :)
  • [13:53 SLT] Torley Linden: IT'S ALEXA
  • [13:53 SLT] Zai Lynch: oh ellow =)
  • [13:53 SLT] Alexa Linden: Hi Youri :)
  • [13:53 SLT] Erinyse Planer: hello alexa
  • [13:53 SLT] Youri Ashton: :)
  • [13:53 SLT] Youri Ashton: soon your meeting Alexa?
  • [13:53 SLT] Torley Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Release/1.23 and watch for fresh and updated KB articles soon!
  • [13:53 SLT] Alexa Linden: no meeting today Youri :)
  • [13:54 SLT] Youri Ashton: Torley: I know, I check profiles of every Linden before I IM at ant time
  • [13:54 SLT] Youri Ashton: awwww, to bad Alexa :(
  • [13:54 SLT] Youri Ashton: was hoping for your meeting
  • [13:55 SLT] Erinyse Planer sees alexa trapped in an animation loop
  • [13:55 SLT] Torley Linden: i see Alexa as having preternaturally excellent balance
  • [13:55 SLT] Youri Ashton: even for Linden bears I usually check before IM-ing, dont want to bother any Linden if they are working at that time :)
  • [13:56 SLT] Youri Ashton: lemme see how many i have now, thought around 65
  • [13:56 SLT] Youri Ashton: on just this account
  • [13:56 SLT] Alexa Linden: :)
  • [13:56 SLT] Youri Ashton: 65 bears indeed, thats including the new Hellen Keller day bear
  • [13:57 SLT] Zai Lynch: ack,... where may I find that one?
  • [13:57 SLT] Erinyse Planer shrugs "i lost track of how many i had. i boxed em all up
  • [13:57 SLT] Youri Ashton: lol, see the text above my head?
  • [13:57 SLT] Erinyse Planer: both my main avatars had over 40k items
  • [13:57 SLT] Arawn Spitteler wonders where to find a Helen Keller Night Bear.
  • [13:57 SLT] Youri Ashton: go there
  • [13:57 SLT] Zai Lynch: ty =)
  • [13:57 SLT] Youri Ashton: np
  • [13:57 SLT] Youri Ashton: that opens officially the 27th
  • [13:58 SLT] Youri Ashton: anyone else want the LM?
  • [13:58 SLT] Lisa Lowe: Who is Helen Keller?
  • [13:58 SLT] Jon Linden: folks, i must be on my way -- another meeting to prepare for
  • [13:58 SLT] Youri Ashton: there should be 2 bears to my knowlage
  • [13:58 SLT] Jon Linden: have a good week!
  • [13:58 SLT] Youri Ashton: have a great SL day Jon!
  • [13:58 SLT] Kate Linden: I need to take off a few minutes early today. Nice seeing everyone.
  • [13:58 SLT] Zai Lynch: She was deaf and blind as far as I read...
  • [13:58 SLT] Erinyse Planer: tc jon
  • [13:58 SLT] Lisa Lowe: bye Jon
  • [13:58 SLT] Erinyse Planer: thank you for letting me ug you
  • [13:58 SLT] Erinyse Planer: *bug
  • [13:58 SLT] Youri Ashton: bye bye Kate!!
  • [13:58 SLT] Zai Lynch: cu =)
  • [13:58 SLT] Youri Ashton: see you friday!
  • [13:59 SLT] Arawn Spitteler'd like to get Helen Keller Bears for the Muircastles
  • [13:59 SLT] Erinyse Planer: anyways if anyone sees joppa tiwlight or teagan please pass that link for me?

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