Doc Team/2010-09-08

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[12:59] Jeremy Linden: Hey guys. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.
[12:59] Stryker Jenkins: Hi !
[12:59] Stryker Jenkins: hi
[13:00] Obsession Blackrain: hello ty
[13:00] Jeremy Linden: I'll give folks a few more minutes to arrive, but I suspect Oz Linden's office hour is going to be more popular today, given recent events.
[13:01] Stryker Jenkins: Oz is on what? viewers?
[13:01] Jeremy Linden: Open source issues.
[13:01] Stryker Jenkins: ah... ok
[13:01] Obsession Blackrain: oh
[13:01] Stryker Jenkins: I was at yoz's a while back... can I give you an Note to read?
[13:02] Jeremy Linden: Sure!
[13:02] Stryker Jenkins: the subject of account cancellation poped up there
[13:02] Stryker Jenkins: and he found an instant answer... Yay...
[13:03] Stryker Jenkins: but we all felt the need to check if that's documented the same way
[13:04] Jeremy Linden: Ah, interesting. I know I saw an article on delinquent accounts the other day... I wonder if it covers this.
[13:04] Stryker Jenkins: I was to busy with my own wiki issues so I had not had a proper change to dig for it
[13:06] Jeremy Linden: Hm. There's an unofficial article here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/What_happens_to_delinquent_accounts
[13:06] Jeremy Linden: That one seems out of date.
[13:06] Stryker Jenkins: well now that I got your "attention" about it... what needs / can be done
[13:08] Jeremy Linden: Well, it's a wiki. The page isn't protected, so anyone can go in there and fix it, though if I were to do it myself I'd want to confirm this internally first.
[13:08] Stryker Jenkins: haha... tell me about it...
[13:08] Stryker Jenkins: been having many wiki issues my self with the SLRR related pages
[13:08] Jeremy Linden: SLRR?
[13:08] Stryker Jenkins: even torley had a say in it
[13:08] Stryker Jenkins: Second Life Railroad
[13:08] Jeremy Linden: Ah!
[13:09] Obsession Blackrain: there is someone makeing new avs every few mins for almost 2 months now griefeing me and all my friends its realy bad ive had to make this new alt to hide from them they r sending out note cards with things on them saying they r from my main alt its look like copy things on the nc how can we stop them we have done so many ars
[13:10] Jeremy Linden: Obsession, I would recommend that you continue to file ARs, and make sure to include clear details each time. Our support team is very busy, but they should definitely see each one.
[13:11] Stryker Jenkins: Hi !
[13:11] Stryker Jenkins: Qie
[13:12] Jeremy Linden: Stryker, with regard to the wiki, I'm currently assigned to a project to completely overhaul the "knowledge base" section of the wiki, condensing and updating it into something easier to navigate.
[13:12] Obsession Blackrain: ok just dont like the griefer giveing out bad things saying it from me its what i hate the most
[13:12] Qie Niangao: Hiya, Stryker. :) Jeremy, Obsession
[13:12] Qie Niangao has pinged you.
[13:12] Obsession Blackrain: Hi Qie
[13:12] Jeremy Linden: Hi Qie.
[13:13] Jeremy Linden: Obsession, make sure you include specific details in the ARs about what kinds of things the griefer is doing. If it turns out he's violating the TOS or community standards, he'll be in a lot of trouble.
[13:14] Stryker Jenkins: can you talk about about what rights users have on the wiki? I have setup a hand full of pages relating to the railroad on the Heterocera Atoll... but some other Residents thinks he nows better and started to remove suff from it...
[13:14] Stryker Jenkins: Trouble is I don't know what I leagaly can / can't do there... and there seems no one to be contacted about it
[13:15] Qie Niangao: Stryker, I've been watching that since you first mentioned it... it's really ugly. A classic exercise in "this is why we can't have nice things"
[13:15] Jeremy Linden: Hm. That's unfortunate, Stryker. Most Residents have normal wiki rights to create, edit and delete, and revert pages as they see fit. Some pages can be put under "flagged revisions", which require approval from designated reviewers before changes become public.
[13:16] Jeremy Linden: Generally, flagged revisions is reserved for things like the knowledge base and other quasi-official pages.
[13:17] Qie Niangao: it's valuable content, or some of it is, anyway. but not something that would be "knowledge base" material exactly, where it could get protected.
[13:17] Stryker Jenkins: well Zai and Danial also know about the issues over the last Month or 2
[13:17] Stryker Jenkins: at first it was just a case of the other resident putting in "warnings" "this page is not impartial" and quoting wikipadia rules
[13:18] Stryker Jenkins: but now he removed 50% of the SLRR History too...
[13:18] Kiptic Horsley: the knowledgebase is not wikipedia, obviously
[13:18] Stryker Jenkins: and I don't want to start pulling on a dead horse to keep correcting it
[13:19] Jeremy Linden: Oy. As far as I know, we don't officially adhere to rules like that. I try to keep my tone impartial, but the greater wiki is used for so many things that some of it is necessarily colored by opinion.
[13:19] Stryker Jenkins: well this is "general" wiki... not KB
[13:19] Stryker Jenkins: not sure if there is a difference
[13:19] Kiptic Horsley: ok, even worse in that case :)
[13:20] Stryker Jenkins: 2 groups... 2 points of view... all wanting the same thing but in a different way
[13:20] Stryker Jenkins: I don't know anymore
[13:20] Jeremy Linden: I don't know that we have much precedent for this, actually. Up until now, nothing so major has been brought to my attention. It bears discussion with my other Linden wiki stakeholders.
[13:21] Stryker Jenkins: well this is what Torley wrote about it
[13:21] Stryker Jenkins: # If there continues to still be conflict over what belongs in a single page and consensus can't be reached, I recommend that new pages with their own perspective should be created, all linked reciprocally so that visitors can read them and make up their own minds. That way, each of the different groups involved in this can present their side of the story without feeling trampled. But "edit warring" must stop.
[13:21] Qie Niangao: oh, hiya Mari
[13:21] Kiptic Horsley: Good point
[13:22] Marianne McCann: Hiya
[13:22] Jeremy Linden: Hm. Until such time as we have any kind of policy on impartial tone, I think Torley's solution is a workable one.
[13:22] Stryker Jenkins: and ...
[13:22] Stryker Jenkins: This text-brawl needs to end now for everyone involved. I've given Jer Straaf a warning due to unuseful, inflammatory rambling which doesn't constructively followup on my earlier comments. Remember that there are many external places where dissenting opinions can be raised. This wiki, however, is owned by Linden Lab. - on 2010-09-02 @ 9:19 AM Pacific
[13:22] Jeremy Linden: Hiya Marianne.
[13:22] Vista Questi: re, marianne! ;)
[13:23] Stryker Jenkins: but in the meantime the pages get... (pardon the word chooise)... raped on a daily basis
[13:23] Vista Questi: yay, way to go Jeremy, strike that griefer down1 lolo
[13:23] Vista Questi has pinged you.
[13:23] Marianne McCann: Ah, I know what yer all talkin about. What a mess
[13:23] Qie Niangao: uh oh. Mari, you appear to be en aspic
[13:23] Marianne McCann: That guy is not gonna stop
[13:23] Jeremy Linden: Eh? I don't think I did anything to someone yet.
[13:23] Marianne McCann: well, Jon ain't here, so I figured I'd take his seat
[13:23] Qie Niangao: hehehe
[13:24] RINOBIT Footman: hi all
[13:24] Jeremy Linden: Absorbed by the Jellotar!
[13:24] Marianne McCann: /me snickers
[13:24] Kiptic Horsley: :)
[13:24] Obsession Blackrain: Hi Rinobit
[13:24] Jeremy Linden: Hello RINOBIT. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.
[13:24] Marianne McCann: Lime-y goodness
[13:25] Jeremy Linden: Where, somewhat surprisingly, we're discussing documentation!
[13:25] Stryker Jenkins: I should drop by more offten?
[13:25] Stryker Jenkins: haha
[13:25] Vista Questi: i've alway found the documentation to be useful , but since my skills are small ,my needs are small
[13:25] Kiptic Horsley: hmm, speaking of documentation, is this office hour supposed to be listed twice, with two different locations? :D
[13:26] Jeremy Linden: Definitely! I must admit, the wiki as a whole is somewhat of a weak suit for me. Traditionally I've been more heavily involved in the KB and online help.
[13:26] Jeremy Linden: Different locations? :-O
[13:26] Kiptic Horsley: yup
[13:26] Kiptic Horsley: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/38/173/33/ and http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/25/165/34
[13:26] Marianne McCann: I've been watching the issues with those SLRR pages for a while now. It seems clear to me that there's a lot of... um... acrimony, with a certain party heck-bent on causing trouble in that one section
[13:27] Kiptic Horsley: go here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours then search for "knowledge base"
[13:27] Vista Questi: pardon my ignorance but what really makes the kb different from the wiki? overall i just look up what i need to know, I don't really care where it comes from as long as the information is reliable...
[13:27] Jeremy Linden: Heh! I guess it's been posted more than once. I think what likely happened is that Jon or I created an office hour listing on one of our personal pages, and someone else created a team office hour listing separately.
[13:27] Kiptic Horsley: oh :)
[13:27] Kiptic Horsley: a bit ironic :D
[13:28] Stryker Jenkins: difference in SLRUL is only meters
[13:28] Stryker Jenkins: so not that different
[13:28] Jeremy Linden: Vista, that's a good question. Formerly, the KB wasn't part of the wiki... most of what's in there now came from a separate system. These days, it basically just means, "This information came from Linden Lab directly."
[13:28] Qie Niangao: Vista, non-KB parts of the wiki may *not* be all that reliable. Heck, even I may have written it.
[13:28] Vista Questi: so then, the KB is directly from you or the wiki is
[13:28] Vista Questi: o i c! thanks !
[13:28] Marianne McCann: Or worse, me
[13:29] Vista Questi: marianne, u've been here a long time, and ur good, and reliable! u can be depended on! ^_^
[13:29] Jeremy Linden: The KB is theoretically written by (or approved by) Linden Lab. The rest of the wiki is... well, a wiki :-)
[13:29] Marianne McCann: Yer too kind
[13:29] Marianne McCann: /me grins
[13:29] Stryker Jenkins: So what your saying is basicly.... live with the constant attacks on wiki pages that are created... Is there no official rulling to be had?
[13:29] Qie Niangao: a little off-topic: does anybody know (Mari?) whether folks still look at the wikia ?
[13:30] Stryker Jenkins: what would one have to do to finally put a stop to it?
[13:30] Marianne McCann: Qie - I was on that old site just this morning
[13:30] Jeremy Linden: There is no on-the-spot ruling to be had. I'm certainly going to take this issue back to my team (and related teams) to see what we can do about it.
[13:30] Stryker Jenkins: there is a counter under every page Qie
[13:30] Vista Questi: better volunteers to oversee it? there's not much vetting in wiki, is there?
[13:31] Stryker Jenkins: Well I have heard of atleast 1 other issue like "ours" but containing different RP groups
[13:31] Vista Questi: there's a more scholarly version of the wiki, but i can't remember it's name and CEARTAINLY can't tell u how they manage it
[13:31] Marianne McCann: That would be great Jeremy. I'm surer there has to be some precedent. IMO, I would advise trying to do ones best to not "respond to the bait," but it's clear that that particular person ha found several buttons he wants to push
[13:31] Marianne McCann has pinged you.
[13:31] Stryker Jenkins: and I am sure there are much more
[13:31] Vista Questi: but it may be something to look into . . it's called universe- something... i think.. :/
[13:31] Vista Questi: omg trolls, TROLLS!
[13:32] Stryker Jenkins: Jeremy... maybe you know... what's LL stands on copyright stuff on the wiki... who owns what
[13:32] Stryker Jenkins has pinged you.
[13:32] Marianne McCann: FWIW, though, Qie, the wikia site (which is not official LL stuff) is largely unmaintained, and nowadays overrun with the various inworld military groups pwning each others entries
[13:32] Stryker Jenkins: I saw a user take a picture of a texture in world that is not publicly availible.... and use that on the wiki
[13:33] Vista Questi: u cannot possibly police all texture uses
[13:33] Qie Niangao: thanks Mari... I just stumbled on some of that. ah well.
[13:33] Marianne McCann: I imagine a lot of that would fall under the TOS rules on inword photography and machinima
[13:33] Jeremy Linden: Heh. Last I heard about copyright issues on wikis, it was a very complicated legal issue that was still being sorted out by the lawyers of the world. In the asbsence of any existing policy from us, I'd suggest reading up on wiki ownership and copyright issues in the real world.
[13:33] Marianne McCann: Qie - as that was born out of the old slhistory wiki, it's great for finding some old historical bits. Beyond that, noy so much
[13:33] Marianne McCann: not*
[13:34] Qie Niangao: right: definitely not the place to park SLRR information.
[13:34] Kiptic Horsley: Stryker there is an agreement people modifying the wiki has to agree to: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:Contribution_Agreement
[13:34] Marianne McCann: Qie - nope. the wikia site would be a dead end for that, IMO
[13:35] Jeremy Linden: Marianne, are you talking about http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page  ?
[13:35] Stryker Jenkins: Thanks Kiptic... will read that later.
[13:35] Marianne McCann: yes. Qie was asking about that. Not LL stuff
[13:35] Marianne McCann: /me grins
[13:35] Kiptic Horsley: If you lose the link it's listed below the edit window :)
[13:35] Stryker Jenkins: Still picking your brain here Jeremy...
[13:35] Stryker Jenkins has pinged you.
[13:36] Stryker Jenkins: what about different namespaces in the Wiki... are there different "rights" there?
[13:36] Marianne McCann: I used to edit over there, but largely lost interest when it went from slhistory.org to secondlife.wikia.com
[13:36] Jeremy Linden: Doing the best I can, Stryker, sorry if some of my answers are a little lightweight.
[13:36] Marianne McCann: (because it lost the focus that drove me on it)
[13:37] Jeremy Linden: Some namespaces are special... For instance, I know that Linden Lab makes official use of "Linden_Lab_Official:" and "Viewerhelp:", and there are special permissions set for each. I'm not terribly familiar with others.
[13:37] Stryker Jenkins: haha (making Jeremy work for his money today)...
[13:37] Stryker Jenkins has pinged you.
[13:37] Jeremy Linden: Hey, I'm really glad to be talking about documentation issues here for once :-)
[13:37] Marianne McCann: I recall such namespaces being promoted around the time of the kb2wiki changeover
[13:37] Stryker Jenkins: but say... "user namespace" won't solve the issue right?
[13:38] Jeremy Linden: I'm not sure I understand.
[13:38] Marianne McCann: (Thoe specific ones you mentioend, that is)
[13:38] Stryker Jenkins: well ever user has the right to make his / her / it's own pages under /wiki/User:First Lastname
[13:38] Jeremy Linden: Yeah. Linden Lab Official pages are protected. They're for stuff like policy and pricing info. Stuff we don't want people to be able to change :-)
[13:39] Stryker Jenkins: but everyone is allowed to edit them too?
[13:39] Kiptic Horsley: that would be fun :)
[13:39] Lego Rysios: hey Jermery i have brother thats on the Teen grid grid
[13:39] Marianne McCann: So much for those "Marianne McCann gets free tier 4 life" edits....
[13:39] Kiptic Horsley: :D
[13:39] Vista Questi: /me giggles and would LOVE to change sim prices lower lol
[13:39] Vista Questi: that'd make it Bunny-official! lol
[13:40] Lego Rysios: hey Jermery i have brother thats on the Teen grid grid
[13:40] Jeremy Linden: Hm. I'mt not sure about editing other peoples' user pages. I imagine it's possible, unless there's some special behavior for that namespace.
[13:40] Marianne McCann: Ya, I'm not sure. I believe I helped a friend set up their user: once, but that was some time back
[13:40] Lego Rysios: his name is Legoman Karu cab you go talk to him on the main grid
[13:40] Qie Niangao: stryker, you can try to edit one of mine. https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Qie_Niangao/Zindra is one that's way irrelevant now
[13:42] Stryker Jenkins: Is wiki arssery an AR'able offence... if so ... how would one prove it / compile evidence about it?
[13:42] Kiptic Horsley: no problems there Qie
[13:42] Jeremy Linden: Lego, I'm sorry but I can't go to the teen grid right now.
[13:42] Vista Questi: oh what a GREAT idea!
[13:42] Qie Niangao: cool... I expected it would work.
[13:42] Vista Questi: but could the lindens quench it if it's as bad at I'm hearing, at this state?
[13:42] Kiptic Horsley: yup, it should, or you couldn't put notes on other people's pages :)
[13:43] Marianne McCann: Qie - you were just askin up to mess with your page, weren't you?
[13:43] Marianne McCann: /me winks
[13:43] Kiptic Horsley: :D
[13:43] Kiptic Horsley: maybe we should remove that stuff again :D
[13:43] Stryker Jenkins: Lindens have the power to block users.... but in this case some other user will probebly just continue the work
[13:43] Qie Niangao: hehehe... now I'm afraid to hit refresh. :p
[13:43] Kiptic Horsley: :D
[13:44] Vista Questi: same goes for grief anywhere, Stryker
[13:44] Kiptic Horsley: well Qie you go ahead and remove it :)
[13:44] Vista Questi: the only question in my mind was whether ll felt it had the resources to deploy against that
[13:44] Jeremy Linden: Wiki vandalism certainly sounds like an AR-able offense. I'm not sure we have a category for it, but if you point people to the page, should the history not speak for itself? It'd have to be discernable as vandalism or trolling, though. Differences of opinion might require different handling.
[13:44] Vista Questi: personally , my human has a good mind filter
[13:44] Stryker Jenkins: Thats why I started this coversation with "I don't know any more".
[13:44] Stryker Jenkins: Heck the telling off from Torley did not seem to work
[13:44] Kiptic Horsley: oops have to run, thanks for a nice discussion guys
[13:45] Jeremy Linden: Thanks for coming, Kiptic!
[13:45] Kiptic Horsley: :)
[13:45] Stryker Jenkins: This text-brawl needs to end now for everyone involved. I've given Jer Straaf a warning due to unuseful, inflammatory rambling which doesn't constructively followup on my earlier comments. Remember that there are many external places where dissenting opinions can be raised. This wiki, however, is owned by Linden Lab. - on 2010-09-02 @ 9:19 AM Pacific
[13:45] Djay Lionheart: Get lost!
[13:45] Marianne McCann: Stryker - I would like to think that, with proper documentation provided to [whoever handles abuse nowadays since the end of G-Team] would be a possibility
[13:45] Qie Niangao: have fun Kiptic
[13:45] Kiptic Horsley: you too
[13:45] Kiptic Horsley: *pof*
[13:47] Djay Lionheart: Boo!
[13:47] Stryker Jenkins: anyway... I am going to give it one more go on the wiki... makeing sure I clearly mark where the info I put up there comes from
[13:47] Marianne McCann: Congratulations on finding your gesture menu, Djay
[13:47] Marianne McCann: /me grins
[13:47] Djay Lionheart: im still testing :-)
[13:47] Jeremy Linden: As I was saying earlier, I hadn't realized things were so crazy right now outside my usual corner of the wiki. I'll definitely be bringing these issues up with Jon, Torley, Rand, and other Linden wiki stakeholders and see whether we can't hammer out some kind of behavior guidelines (and consequences for breaking them repeatedly)
[13:47] Marianne McCann: I can tell
[13:47] Marianne McCann: /me grins
[13:48] Yellows Mint: LOLZ god hack ali virgo banned Sunny*007
[13:48] Yellows Mint: Stop messing with our emrlad
[13:48] Qie Niangao: lol
[13:48] Stryker Jenkins: well I ( the Virtual Railway Consortium) can ask for more
[13:48] Djay Lionheart: frown
[13:48] Djay Lionheart: :-D
[13:48] Stryker Jenkins: whoops... we "can't ask for more"
[13:48] Jeremy Linden: Yellows, I think you might want Oz Linden's office hour in Hippotropolis. He handles open source issues and he should be there right now!
[13:49] Yellows Mint: Obcession gave me full perm items
[13:49] Yellows Mint: LOLZ
[13:49] Yellows Mint: on her main obcession rain
[13:49] Yellows Mint: Full perm huds
[13:49] Marianne McCann: Just from the point of a wiki user, I would like to see the wiki remain useful, versus being the source of wiki wars
[13:49] Obsession Blackrain: no im not u r a griefer who has been after me
[13:50] Djay Lionheart: Hey!
[13:50] Yellows Mint: Secret Christen is that you
[13:50] Djay Lionheart: Hey!
[13:50] Yellows Mint: Hi santa
[13:50] Marianne McCann: I'll take 'dont care" for 500, Alex
[13:50] Stryker Jenkins: "who determains what goes and what stays"... I wrote the original page.
[13:50] Djay Lionheart: Hey!
[13:50] Yellows Mint: she is a he
[13:50] Yellows Mint: guys he raped me
[13:50] Obsession Blackrain: omg
[13:50] Qie Niangao: see, this is why I don't think the grid merger is gonna be a big deal. Maybe a couple dozen teens will come over, but the rest already have Main Grid accounts, and just won't bother.
[13:50] Jeremy Linden: Yellows, revealing someone's alt's name without their permission is a disclosure violation. Please stop disrupting my office hour or I will have to remove you.
[13:50] Yellows Mint: he gives out note cards with full perm houses and huds
[13:51] Obsession Blackrain: no i didnt
[13:51] Marianne McCann: Qie - I agree. The ones coming in with the TG shift will be the law abiding ones anyway
[13:51] Yellows Mint: he is ali virgo alt
[13:51] Obsession Blackrain: no
[13:51] Yellows Mint: ali virgo is banned for passing out full perm huds
[13:51] Yellows Mint: he is his alt
[13:51] Jeremy Linden: Poof.
[13:51] Obsession Blackrain: u framed him and now going after me
[13:51] Marianne McCann: /me grins
[13:52] Stryker Jenkins: "who are you calling a poof"... LOL
[13:52] Vista Questi: Jeremy ur paws a FAR too kind! sometimes u have to stamp ur hindpaws , quickly and FIRMLY! lol
[13:52] Vista Questi has pinged you.
[13:52] Stryker Jenkins: /me likes the quiet
[13:53] Marianne McCann: Anyway, Stryker, my thought is to definitely make at lest some sort fof paper trail, I know that the resident in question used to harass the heck out of me 'til he got slapped down, and if he is causing this much trouble for our interests, then there is likely some succor to be had
[13:53] Vista Questi: it's nice, isn't it
[13:53] Stryker Jenkins: Look... I don't mind him correcting me... or putting additional stuff in the pages I helpt to setup
[13:53] Marianne McCann: Which is what a wiki is for
[13:54] Marianne McCann: But from what I've seen, he's gone well beyond that
[13:54] Stryker Jenkins: but what really go to me was his "rape" of the SLRR_history pages... he removed 50% of valid content there
[13:54] Stryker Jenkins: just because he felt he could
[13:54] Stryker Jenkins: *got to me
[13:54] Vista Questi: that greatly concerns me. no body of other opinion
[13:55] Vista Questi: should be of any ability to rip away the love that built sl in the first place. that's A Valuable asset!
[13:55] Vista Questi: imo
[13:55] Marianne McCann: Well, and not just his reqorking of the history page, but the ALL CAPS battle he was having there and other SLrr pages
[13:55] Jeremy Linden: And I'm back. Sorry about that, had to file an AR.
[13:55] Marianne McCann: But I did't do it, Jeremy... honest!
[13:55] Marianne McCann has pinged you.
[13:55] Obsession Blackrain: wb
[13:55] Marianne McCann: /me winks
[13:56] Qie Niangao: The wiki can have external links, right? I mean, we could just put a section at the bottom of the SLRR page, "External Links", and point to the VRC's history page. That's the "why we can't have nice things" approach, though: prevents valid content from appearing on the wiki itself.
[13:56] Marianne McCann: See if this was an isolated incident, it would be vastly different from what you're seeing with those pages. You have a bit of a history of abuse on those ones
[13:56] Marianne McCann: Hey Jumpy
[13:56] Stryker Jenkins: yeah torley was very clear about that Qie
[13:56] Jumpman Lane: hi
[13:56] Qie Niangao: right
[13:57] Qie Niangao: Hiya, Jumpman
[13:57] Jumpman Lane: sup
[13:57] Qie Niangao: Jumpy, you're 3 minutes early to miss the whole office hour. ;)
[13:58] Jumpman Lane: lmao
[13:58] Time Minder: You have been online for 1 hours.
[13:58] Jeremy Linden: And what an office hour it has been!
[13:58] Jumpman Lane: prob crash or get forced logged out lmao
[13:58] Stryker Jenkins: anyway... time to go for 1 last action on the wiki (staying within the rules) if that failes ... i.e. if this continues I really am lost
[13:58] Jeremy Linden: Wiki drama, griefer drama, wiki griefer drama...
[13:58] Jumpman Lane: ur kiddin
[13:58] Jumpman Lane: well im waitin around for blondinanyhows
[13:58] Stryker Jenkins: drama is a big word...
[13:58] Jumpman Lane: hehehe we call it drammy
[13:59] Marianne McCann: At any rate, Stryker, it is an issue and deserves some clarification on
[13:59] Jeremy Linden: The drammy awards?
[13:59] Marianne McCann: All we need now is clog dancing to call it perfect
[13:59] Jumpman Lane: naw we give out The Golden Turd for that one
[13:59] Jeremy Linden: I think ThinkGeek sells those.
[13:59] Jumpman Lane: naw we created it
[14:00] Marianne McCann: Well, they sell everythign else...
[14:00] Jeremy Linden: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/japanfan/9069/
[14:00] Jumpman Lane: though callie cline was the only one gracious enough to accept
[14:00] Jumpman Lane: and we dont sell em u have to EARN em
[14:00] Stryker Jenkins: floor show
[14:00] Qie Niangao: I do think the "Drammy Awards" has a nice fit for SL though.
[14:01] Jumpman Lane: well can i win the first one lol
[14:01] Vista Questi: please, don't empower them more, they love the attention.
[14:01] Jumpman Lane: though categories would be nice
[14:01] Jeremy Linden: Ooh, it's been an hour already. Going to cut here for the transcript.
[14:01] Stryker Jenkins: "let the record show... Jumpman is dusting the rug"

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