Open Source Meeting/2008-01-17

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Open Source Meeting for Thursday, January 17, 2008

Agenda

No agenda was posted, so we used it as an opportunity to get through some issues in jira marked "source code".


Transcript

  • [14:01] Octree Clip: greetings
  • [14:01] Rob Linden: hi folks
  • [14:01] Liana Linden: dragons welcome
  • [14:01] Disconnected from: in-world Voice Chat
  • [14:01] Octree Clip: lol, what's normal, Kiwi?
  • [14:02] Octree Clip: hello Rob
  • [14:02] Harleen Gretzky: HI Rob
  • [14:02] Kiwi Alfa: Octree: Normal *sized*. ;)
  • [14:02] Squirrel Wood: very empty agenda today
  • [14:02] Kiwi Alfa: How are you guys? :D
  • [14:02] Rob Linden: Squirrel: indeed
  • [14:03] Kiwi Alfa: Yeah, I noticed that. I didn't want to add anything as I figured it was so short notice as to be next week, and besides, this is my first meeting, wouldn't want to impost.
  • [14:03] Kiwi Alfa: ^impose
  • [14:03] Rob Linden: picking back through the last week on sldev....
  • [14:04] Rob Linden: what are people's thoughts regarding the "Movie to Disk" feature vs using an external app?
  • [14:05] Squirrel Wood: <= not on sldev due to being on too many other mailing lists... but yes. movie to disk would be nice
  • [14:05] Kiwi Alfa: For those who haven't been watching sldev today, I do machinima myself. Right now I'm on the Linux client, but when I do machinima I use Fraps and the Windows version.
  • [14:05] Rob Linden: I've gotten the strong sense from many here at Linden Lab that it's an example of something we don't do very well, and should probably remove rather than support poorly
  • [14:06] Kiwi Alfa: Well, it's certainly possible to use the Movie To Disk option. But it's not a terribly nice thing.
  • [14:06] Harleen Gretzky: Torley is probably your best source for that too
  • [14:06] Kiwi Alfa: IIRC, it doesn't record sound, I think.
  • [14:06] Rob Linden: I don't yet hear an "oh my god, you can't possibly be thinking of removing it!"
  • [14:07] Kiwi Alfa: Not that that's a problem in most machinima as you'd put your own sound in anyway, but still.
  • [14:07] Soft Linden: I'd be curious to poll the machinima people to see if the built-in feature is even what they're using.
  • [14:07] Kiwi Alfa: Well, I'm a machinimatographer, and personally I wouldn't miss it.
  • [14:07] Squirrel Wood: when you run SL at high resolutions (1680x1050 in my case) then movie to disk isn't all that useful
  • [14:07] Soft Linden: Do they have a forum or mailing list they frequent?
  • [14:07] Squirrel Wood: the amount of data is just... too much
  • [14:08] Kiwi Alfa: Soft: Check out the group "Machinimatographers".
  • [14:08] Kiwi Alfa: That's probably the main SL group for them.
  • [14:08] Kiwi Alfa: I'm a member myself.
  • [14:08] Soft Linden: Thanks! Made a note, will fire off an inquiry.
  • [14:09] Kiwi Alfa: Alternatively, if you want, I can run a quick poll right now. Don't worry, I wouldn't phrase it as anything "official", since rumours could get started. Just as a normal question.
  • [14:10] Kiwi Alfa: But if it's better to come from a Linden, that's fine by me.
  • [14:11] Kiwi Alfa: Let me know if you'd want me to do so.
  • [14:12] Soft Linden: Ack, was getting pulled aside in the background.
  • [14:12] Soft Linden: Sure, if you want to run a poll, then pass that back to the list or JIRA, that'd be great
  • [14:13] Kiwi Alfa: Sure thing. I haven't been using JIRA a lot - what issue would it go under?
  • [14:13] Rob Linden: cool...looks like a good next step for that issue. Kiwi, I'd file it as a feature request in the VWR project
  • [14:13] Kiwi Alfa: (tbh, today's my first day actually participating in sldev in a major way, though I've been subscribed since the beginning and a keen interest.
  • [14:13] Kiwi Alfa: Okay.
  • [14:14] Rob Linden: moving on, it might be useful to take a look at the issues marked "source code" in jira
  • [14:14] Rob Linden: [1]
  • [14:15] Squirrel Wood: wonders if there is any progress regarding MISC-632 (Let resis edit Prim properties like Hovertext, particles, Status, etc in the edit window.) ?
  • [14:15] Rob Linden: (perhaps skipping the issues that already have ll issue ids)
  • [14:16] Soft Linden: Kiwi - A new JIRA in VWR, as Rob says, proposing removing the feature and linking to the poll results would be great.
  • [14:16] Kiwi Alfa: Okay.
  • [14:16] Soft Linden: Squirrel - if there's no internal JIRA on it, you can generally assume not.
  • [14:16] Soft Linden: It looks like it's got enough votes that it could go through the next triage though
  • [14:17] Kiwi Alfa: Oh, meep. I forgot that groups with loads of people have delayed chat, heh. Well, we'll see how it goes.
  • [14:17] Rob Linden: [2]
  • [14:18] Rob Linden: i'm assuming we can close this one as "resolved/won't finish". it's not something we can really implement
  • [14:18] Squirrel Wood: Ye
  • [14:18] Soft Linden: Yeah. There's nothing you can do to validate the MAC, CPU serial and drive serial remotely, or to check for invented ones. AFAIK those are what are used.
  • [14:18] Squirrel Wood: btw Rob, excellent work on speeding up Jira ^^
  • [14:19] Squirrel Wood: pages now load in less than ten seconds for me..
  • [14:19] Carjay McGinnis: yes, quite fast here, too
  • [14:19] Soft Linden: Stepping back - are we really agendaless today?
  • [14:19] Squirrel Wood: Aye
  • [14:20] Rob Linden: yeah, I'm doing an impromptu "source code" triage as a substitute, if that's ok
  • [14:20] Rob Linden: [3]
  • [14:20] Soft Linden: This is already resolved
  • [14:21] Poppy Linden: this is fixed?
  • [14:21] Poppy Linden: i thought that went out
  • [14:21] Poppy Linden: jinx
  • [14:21] Rob Linden: was thsi a duplicate issue, or one that just got fixed without being tracked?
  • [14:21] Kiwi Alfa: If there aren't any other issues and if it's kosher for me to do this, given that it's my first meetup, then I'd be interested in discussing an idea I posted to sldev today - about machinima. :) But if it's not right for me to do so then that's fine.
  • [14:21] Kiwi Alfa: (But I won't interrupt.)
  • [14:22] Kiwi Alfa: (I can leave it for another time and continue the discussion on the list easily enough.)
  • [14:22] Soft Linden: Kiwi - in general we try to let issues stew a little while in sldev before they go to the discussion as sort of a recap and wrap up. Might be good for next week!
  • [14:22] Kiwi Alfa: Okay, that's fair enough.
  • [14:23] Rob Linden: marked VWR-2620 as fixed
  • [14:23] Kiwi Alfa: I didn't know the way this was done so I should probably have kept quite anyway. ;)
  • [14:23] Carjay McGinnis: I see it already generated a lot of replies, didn't get to read them yet, though
  • [14:23] Soft Linden: Otherwise, you sometimes get people all brainstorming in real time, which is fun! But usually not too much direction shakes out of it. And no - nothin' wrong with asking. :)
  • [14:23] Squirrel Wood: Issues, just like cheese, must ripen. Once they assume the stench of unwashed socks they are good for picking ;)
  • [14:23] Rob Linden: [4]
  • [14:23] Rob Linden: oh, fix pending, nm
  • [14:23] Rob Linden: [5]
  • [14:23] Rob Linden: this one looks miscategorized....
  • [14:23] Squirrel Wood: Aye
  • [14:23] Soft Linden: This is probably even shipped.
  • [14:24] Carjay McGinnis: hm, pity Michelle2 isn't here tonight
  • [14:24] Squirrel Wood: havok 4 is one such better tool ^^
  • [14:24] Soft Linden: Or at least in the full 1.18.6 RC series
  • [14:24] Squirrel Wood: griefer objects are usually cleaned up in less time than the average TV ad runs
  • [14:25] Squirrel Wood: btw.. its got all the wrong components too
  • [14:25] Squirrel Wood: 3295 that is
  • [14:26] Rob Linden: moving on: [6]
  • [14:26] Squirrel Wood: subtask
  • [14:27] Rob Linden: subtask to a metaissue.....I guess we can skip unless there's somethign specific to add
  • [14:27] Soft Linden: It's basically "optimize rendering code." Way too vague.
  • [14:27] Soft Linden: i.e. all of windlight would be a subtask of this subtask.
  • [14:27] Carjay McGinnis: "make it perfect"
  • [14:27] Squirrel Wood: redo it from scratch ^^
  • [14:28] Rob Linden: commented. I won't close just yet
  • [14:28] Rob Linden: moving on...
  • [14:28] Rob Linden: fyi, latecomers, here's the list I'm stepping through: [7]
  • [14:28] Q Linden: thanks!...just wondering
  • [14:28] Rob Linden: [8]
  • [14:29] Squirrel Wood: patch attached
  • [14:29] Squirrel Wood: also imported ?
  • [14:29] Rob Linden: I actually just fixed this one
  • [14:29] Carjay McGinnis: thought it was something about distribution rights for the headers?
  • [14:29] Rob Linden: the very latest push to windlight svn fixes this
  • [14:29] Thraxis Epsilon: So compile with express 2008 should get past this file now?
  • [14:30] Rob Linden: yeah, turns out we were kosher, but Runitai took the added step of paring down the deps to one header, and I published the one header
  • [14:30] Soft Linden: Fix pending then?
  • [14:31] Rob Linden: yeah, probably best to mark it that way
  • [14:31] Soft Linden: I'll mark it and find what branch in the background here
  • [14:31] Rob Linden: it is fixed in public svn
  • [14:31] Rob Linden: windlight13 branch
  • [14:31] Rob Linden: checked in a coupel of days ago
  • [14:32] Soft Linden: thumbsup!
  • [14:32] Rob Linden: I'll mark it after this meeting
  • [14:32] sculpt test: Bl br rda
  • [14:32] Thraxis Epsilon: I can check my build environment and download the svn later to verify also
  • [14:32] Rob Linden: next up: [9]
  • [14:33] Rob Linden: hmmm....pastebin expired
  • [14:33] Thraxis Epsilon: Hmm.. NM I was looking at this issue...
  • [14:33] Carjay McGinnis: [10] was a problem related to the glh_convenience.h header, did you fix that, too?
  • [14:33] Thraxis Epsilon: 3455 only occurs with 2008 Express
  • [14:33] Poppy Linden: can't repro?
  • [14:34] Poppy Linden: with caveat to reopen with new pastebin if it happens again?
  • [14:34] Soft Linden: I fetched the pastebin doc out of Google's cache, will tack it on 3455
  • [14:35] Soft Linden: Ah, resolved anyway
  • [14:36] Rob Linden: mark 3455 as resolved?
  • [14:36] Rob Linden: Carjay: 3721 looks different
  • [14:38] Carjay McGinnis: ok, I thought you include glh_convenience.h now
  • [14:38] sculpt test: Bl br rda
  • [14:39] Thraxis Epsilon: Rob - Mark 3455 as needs more info.... I'll try a new compile with Express 2008 and see if it is still a problem
  • [14:39] Rob Linden: k....I guess let's skip to 3721 since we've already started talking about it
  • [14:39] Rob Linden: [11]
  • [14:40] Rob Linden: I guess it wouldn't hurt to see if 3721 is fixed in the latest code, but I can't say that I looked at that problem specifically
  • [14:41] sculpt test: Bl br rda
  • [14:41] Carjay McGinnis: it's probably Linux specific, I will see if it still breaks and add a comment if necessary
  • [14:42] Rob Linden: thanks Carjay
  • [14:42] Rob Linden: [12]
  • [14:42] sculpt test: Bl br rda
  • [14:42] Rob Linden: looks like another pastebin special
  • [14:43] Rob Linden: resolving as "need more info"
  • [14:44] Rob Linden: skipping down to [13]
  • [14:45] Rob Linden: (which has been imported, but wouldn't hurt to discuss)
  • [14:45] Carjay McGinnis: hm, I build on amd64 but haven't tried that one yet
  • [14:46] Rob Linden: any of the Lindens here feel up to upgrading OpenJPEG?
  • [14:46] Poppy Linden: (could we make the internal refs into links on PJIRA?)
  • [14:46] Poppy Linden: who has been poking at this?
  • [14:46] Thraxis Epsilon: Looks like it was imported into the maintenance-4 brance in december
  • [14:46] Rob Linden: Poppy: there's a greasemonkey script you should install
  • [14:46] Q Linden: Poppy: greasemonkey?
  • [14:46] Poppy Linden:  :P
  • [14:47] Poppy Linden: k fine, i'll reinstall it
  • [14:47] Soft Linden: Rob, the internal should probably be assigned to triage. It's a simple fix, but someone needs to test the heck out of it, since that can potentially affect some server side systems too
  • [14:47] Soft Linden: openjpeg is/was being used for generating map tiles, for example
  • [14:49] Poppy Linden: soft, was it you or tofu on openjpg before?
  • [14:49] Rob Linden: assigns internal issue to "triage"
  • [14:50] Soft Linden: I think Tofu or Bos took one that was changing parameters to make us compatible with openjpeg going forward. We were filling one previously unused function parameter with a bad value.
  • [14:50] Rob Linden: is super confused about any true utility of "*triage*" vs "unassigned"
  • [14:51] Soft Linden: *triage* gets looked at by some of the studio heads each Monday internally. Unassigned waits for someone to stumble on it in a search or cleanup.
  • [14:51] Rob Linden: anyhoo.....best to discuss that elsewhere
  • [14:51] Poppy Linden:  :P
  • [14:51] Rob Linden: ok....next up:
  • [14:51] Soft Linden: I don't know why it's triage with stars on it. Maybe it's said loudly.
  • [14:52] Soft Linden: Oh, or sort position.
  • [14:52] Rob Linden: [14]
  • [14:52] Squirrel Wood: already imported?
  • [14:53] Poppy Linden: hoo boy, thats an SL- issue, kinda old
  • [14:53] Poppy Linden: any windlighters here?
  • [14:54] Poppy Linden: looks around for brad...
  • [14:54] Thraxis Epsilon: Almost a year old at that
  • [14:54] Poppy Linden: anyone with a fresh windlight checkout that can validate this is still there?
  • [14:55] Q Linden: I got brad here...I'll ask him now
  • [14:55] Poppy Linden: hasn't checked out windlight since he dropped the macbook pro issues
  • [14:55] Rob Linden: assigned the internal issue to triage
  • [14:56] Rob Linden: moving on....
  • [14:56] Kiwi Alfa: has only used the released versions so far - he hasn't yet actually compiled the code.
  • [14:56] Kiwi Alfa: I plsn to though :D (obviously)
  • [14:56] Rob Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-186
  • [14:56] Poppy Linden: Kiwi, now's a pretty good time ;)
  • [14:57] Kiwi Alfa: Now's 11pm GMT. :/ I'll need to do so tomorrow.
  • [14:57] Poppy Linden: see, that's prime hacker time. :D
  • [14:57] Kiwi Alfa: Besides which, I need time to see how to do it in both Windows and Linux - Linux is my main OS but my changes would probably be most useful in a Windows build.
  • [14:57] Soft Linden: VWR-186 would have been good general maintenance stuff, but that patch is way crufty. I'd add a note asking any interested Linden to first ping the contributor about help in updating the patch.
  • [14:58] Kiwi Alfa: I know! But I live with my parents. :(
  • [14:58] Carjay McGinnis: well, midnight here *g*
  • [14:58] Carjay McGinnis: best time for long compile sessions
  • [14:58] Kiwi Alfa: Mmmmm.
  • [14:58] Kiwi Alfa: Anyway, sorry, I derailed things a bit there.
  • [14:58] Rob Linden: not at all kiwi
  • [14:58] Rob Linden: thanks everyone for showing up
  • [14:59] Rob Linden: I think this was useful for me....hope everyone felt this was a good use of time
  • [14:59] Harleen Gretzky: tc Rob
  • [14:59] Squirrel Wood: ^^
  • [14:59] Rob Linden: I think I like this as a default topic
  • [14:59] Squirrel Wood: Was definitely useful!
  • [14:59] Squirrel Wood: windlight... need someone to confirm - https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4234
  • [14:59] Kiwi Alfa: has never been to a bug triage before so it was useful to him, too.
  • [15:00] Squirrel Wood: ^^
  • [15:00] Kiwi Alfa: If nobody else confirms, I'll do it tomorrow when I'm rebooted into Windows. I guess someone else will confirm before then though :D
  • [15:01] Rob Linden: I'll let the windlight folks look at that as part of their normal process
  • [15:01] Q Linden: VWR-104 -- code still exists, doesn't appear to be used, best left as part of triage
  • [15:01] Carjay McGinnis: hm, never had that happen to me
  • [15:01] Rob Linden: looks like a pretty specific repro, though
  • [15:01] Rob Linden: anyway, I should run
  • [15:01] Rob Linden: thanks all