Pyogp/Chat Logs/Daily Meeting/15 jul 2008

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[9:36] Infinity Linden: just wanted to do a quick round the table and see what folk are up to
[9:36] Infinity Linden: i'll start
[9:36] Infinity Linden: i spent yesterday reading up on PyUNIT and ZCA
[9:36] Infinity Linden: and looking at the OGP spec and figuring out what tests I think we need for login
[9:37] Infinity Linden: and for the next 24, i'm going to try to code a few
[9:37] Infinity Linden: and i don't think i'm blocked on anything
[9:37] Infinity Linden: and i pass the baton to Sai
[9:37] Locklainn Linden: have u seen this
[9:37] Locklainn Linden: [1]
[9:38] Infinity Linden: hold up for a moment LL
[9:38] Locklainn Linden: I meant for you Infinity
[9:39] Infinity Linden: hmm... how does one politely tap one on the shoulder in SL?
[9:39] Infinity Linden: hey Sai...
[9:39] Locklainn Linden: sai seems to be gone
[9:39] Infinity Linden: yer next
[9:39] Infinity Linden: okay... lets move to LL
[9:39] Infinity Linden: come back to sai
[9:39] Locklainn Linden: ok
[9:40] Locklainn Linden: I finished a packet header parser/creator
[9:40] Infinity Linden: sweet
[9:40] Locklainn Linden: talked to Tao about what packet handling may look like
[9:40] Tao Takashi: did you actually check it in?
[9:40] Locklainn Linden: hopefully going to start working on body packets
[9:40] Locklainn Linden: no not y et
[9:40] Tao Takashi: release early and often :)
[9:40] Infinity Linden: +1 Tao
[9:40] Infinity Linden: what about the next 24?
[9:40] Locklainn Linden: this was something I was doing independently, trying to test Enus' code
[9:41] Locklainn Linden: hopefully going to start working on body packets
[9:41] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:41] Tao Takashi: well, it can always go in some sandbox dir ot so
[9:41] Tao Takashi: or so
[9:41] Infinity Linden: does it make sense to have a different meet re: branching
[9:41] Infinity Linden: Tao... you read my mind
[9:41] Locklainn Linden: yea, i was going to check it in
[9:41] Locklainn Linden: just finished it though
[9:41] Locklainn Linden: 20 min ago
[9:41] Tao Takashi: cool :)
[9:41] Locklainn Linden: about meetings,
[9:41] Infinity Linden: i think we're both thinking taht putting the new stuff somewhere sandboxish
[9:41] Locklainn Linden: well
[9:41] Locklainn Linden: we can go around first
[9:42] Infinity Linden: i'm fine to have as few meetings as possible
[9:42] Infinity Linden: EnusBot
[9:42] Locklainn Linden: I was just thinking mon,wed,fri
[9:42] Infinity Linden: what of you?
[9:42] Enus Linden: Heya, past 24 nada
[9:42] Enus Linden: catching up on being an employee at LL
[9:42] Infinity Linden: LL... we'll come back to that
[9:42] Infinity Linden: okies
[9:42] Infinity Linden: next 24?
[9:43] Enus Linden: next 24: creating internal jira for pyogp, exploring pyogp on pjira
[9:43] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:43] Enus Linden: and trying to catch up on status here
[9:43] Enus Linden: thanks a TON to all for driving this forward
[9:43] Enus Linden: i am impressed
[9:43] Enus Linden: and so happy to see the teamwork and motivation
[9:43] Infinity Linden: it was only the fear of not having done anything by the time you returned that drove us forward ;-)
[9:43] Locklainn Linden: :)
[9:43] EnusBot1 LLQABot: puts the whip away
[9:44] Locklainn Linden: haha
[9:44] Tao Takashi: yep, maybe you would have banned us all then
[9:44] Infinity Linden: er... Enus... uh... yer kink is showing
[9:44] EnusBot1 LLQABot: blushes
[9:44] Infinity Linden: okay
[9:44] Infinity Linden: Tao?
[9:44] Tao Takashi: I checked in my code which should also run the tests now
[9:45] Tao Takashi: just run bin/testserver first in one shell and then bin/test in another
[9:45] Tao Takashi: and I created a branch to show how grok is working
[9:45] Infinity Linden: cool.
[9:45] Infinity Linden: is this sending packets over 127.0.0.1?
[9:45] Tao Takashi: and I added some example high level api based on Locklainn's idea which also has tests
[9:45] Tao Takashi: but is not checked in as I was doing that grok based
[9:45] Tao Takashi: yes, it's sending packets via 127.0.0.1
[9:45] Saijanai Dagger: major freeze on comp. We'll see if it happens again with 2 clients
[9:46] Tao Takashi: the idea is though to get rid of this step as well to make this fully automatable
[9:46] Infinity Linden: um... freeze? with SL? don't know anything about what you're talking about
[9:46] Tao Takashi: Sai is mistaken ;-)
[9:46] Tao Takashi: why don't you use split screen ? ;-)
[9:46] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:46] Tao Takashi: and I was patching opensim with Zha's patch yesterday
[9:46] Tao Takashi: and compiled it
[9:47] Tao Takashi: so I can finish my agent domain implementation as I understood that this will not be possible with your regions
[9:47] Infinity Linden: heck.. i'm at the end of an ISDN link... i think i'm going to be using AjaxLife next time
[9:47] Tao Takashi: they will be happy to record your Linden PW ;-)
[9:48] Infinity Linden: yeah.. i think there's a fair amount of question marks re: what resources are going to be available for the beta
[9:48] Tao Takashi: well, I don't necessarily need a LL beta program as long as open sim works
[9:48] Infinity Linden: right now the only thing i know we can depend on is one viewer, one agent domain and one region
[9:48] Infinity Linden: fair enough
[9:48] Infinity Linden: if you move forward with opensim
[9:49] Infinity Linden: we'll backfill any functionality differences
[9:49] Tao Takashi: well, I let Zha move forward with opensim and I will move forward with my agent domain
[9:49] Infinity Linden: when they're found
[9:49] Tao Takashi: but the good thing is that we then have some components to test interop
[9:49] Tao Takashi: I still wonder what will happen regarding your header-redirect thing in your agent domain
[9:49] Infinity Linden: probably a good idea... just as long as doing frequent syncs between projects
[9:49] Tao Takashi: I was close to writing a proxy to it ;-)
[9:50] Infinity Linden: okay... getting a bit deep for status
[9:50] Infinity Linden: let's move on to Sai
[9:50] Infinity Linden: before he freezes again
[9:50] Saijanai Dagger: nada to say, still trying to grok grok or even ZCA
[9:50] Infinity Linden: yeah... actually i didn't look to closely at grok either
[9:51] Infinity Linden: should schedule a moment to do tha
[9:51] Infinity Linden: got any plans for the next 24?
[9:51] Saijanai Dagger: nyewp. RL job is supposed to be first priority, but making changes to RL meds has been interesting
[9:51] Tao Takashi: shall we do some special ZCA session someday?
[9:51] Infinity Linden: Tao... sounds like a plan
[9:52] Saijanai Dagger: seconds
[9:52] Infinity Linden: you wanna do that tomorrow or friday?
[9:52] Trent Mavendorf: seconds, too
[9:52] Tao Takashi: better friday, I have still lots to catch up after the conference
[9:52] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:52] Tao Takashi: but please all read the tutorial before that
[9:52] Infinity Linden: it's on the agenda for Friday
[9:52] Infinity Linden: which reminds me... i should try to post agendas
[9:53] Saijanai Dagger: someone else needs to post transcript today.
[9:53] Enus Linden: i can do sai
[9:53] Tao Takashi: the only question would be what we do with my grok branch ;-)
[9:53] Tao Takashi: did you look at the diff?
[9:53] Infinity Linden: okay... Open, Trent, Becky?
[9:53] Locklainn Linden: I haven't looked at it at all
[9:53] Infinity Linden: Tao... let's come back to that in a sec
[9:53] Enus Linden: infinity, want me to manage agendas? actually, i'll create a pyogp meeting page with an agenda section and links to transcripts and the like. have an agenda item, port it...
[9:53] Trent Mavendorf: still have to look at it
[9:53] Enus Linden: post* it
[9:54] Locklainn Linden: yea, sounds very good enus
[9:54] Infinity Linden: Enus +1
[9:54] Locklainn Linden: course, I'm not infinity, but I like the idea
[9:54] Locklainn Linden: haha
[9:54] Infinity Linden: no no.. it's a good idea... just do it
[9:54] Saijanai Dagger: I created a category for pyogp transcripts, so its eay enough to fin/link to
[9:54] Tao Takashi: Here is the diff: [2]
[9:54] Enus Linden: ty sai
[9:54] Tao Takashi: I think at some point we should also discuss the wiki and how it should be structured
[9:54] Infinity Linden: the last thing we need is for Linden to start whacking people for not asking before they "do the right thing"
[9:54] Tao Takashi: but maybe next week
[9:55] Enus Linden: i agree Tao, anicely structured wiki would be to our advantage
[9:55] Infinity Linden: we should also try to see if there's a way for "trusted" individuals to upload PDFs to the wiki
[9:55] Tao Takashi: I would then upload my pyogp presentation from EuroPython
[9:55] Tao Takashi: I would even embed it as Flash ;-)
[9:56] Infinity Linden: and it would be a refreshing change (structured wiki)
[9:56] Infinity Linden: can we upload swf?
[9:56] Infinity Linden: didn't even try that
[9:56] Tao Takashi: [3]
[9:56] Saijanai Dagger: svg yes, swf no
[9:56] Tao Takashi: well, Torley embedded some video
[9:57] Saijanai Dagger: thats just links to youtube, though, right?
[9:57] Infinity Linden: but i think it's hosted at one of the Amazon sites or something
[9:57] Tao Takashi: it's on the page as I could see
[9:57] Infinity Linden: or youtube
[9:57] Tao Takashi: well, an embed code would be sufficient
[9:57] Infinity Linden: yeah... i think i was able to properly embed an iframe for my Lively page somewhere
[9:58] Tao Takashi: anyway, not too important
[9:58] Infinity Linden: okay... we'll figure something out with respect to uploads
[9:58] Tao Takashi: here it is: [4]
[9:58] Infinity Linden: but Enus... any help in cleaning up the wiki would be greatly appreciated
[9:58] Infinity Linden: so now that status is done
[9:59] Infinity Linden: what else were we going to chat about?
[9:59] Enus Linden: the fact that its 10 and i have to run
[9:59] Tao Takashi: Locklainn proposed grok but he did not look at it ;-)
[9:59] Enus Linden: : )
[9:59] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:59] Tao Takashi: happy running ;-)
[9:59] Locklainn Linden: well, I didn't propose it
[9:59] Locklainn Linden: I proposed we look at it haha
[9:59] Enus Linden: i'll leave my avi to get a transcript
[9:59] Tao Takashi: well, it would be good to sort it out soon
[9:59] Infinity Linden: wanna table the rest of the discussion and maybe move it to #pyogp?
[9:59] Locklainn Linden: awesome
[9:59] Tao Takashi: so here is again the changeset: [5]
[10:00] Locklainn Linden: yea, I checked it out
[10:00] Tao Takashi: it in fact does not change that much
[10:00] Locklainn Linden: by that, seems that we should use it
[10:00] Locklainn Linden: lessens the code in fact
[10:00] Locklainn Linden: haha
[10:00] Tao Takashi: you just derive from an adapter class or a utility class if you want to create one
[10:00] Infinity Linden: cool.
[10:00] Tao Takashi: and you give it two directives defining details
[10:00] Infinity Linden: i'm going to have to look closely at that
[10:00] Locklainn Linden: but i was talking to some people here (senior devs) and they wanted to make sure that we weren't taking in another dependency
[10:00] Locklainn Linden: something that we could write up ourselves
[10:00] Tao Takashi: having done that you can remove any other registration, grok will find it for you
[10:00] Infinity Linden: blergh
[10:01] Infinity Linden: LL.. which senior devs were we talking about
[10:01] Infinity Linden: NIH is anathema
[10:01] Locklainn Linden: haha no name dropping
[10:01] Infinity Linden: sounds like i might have to go smack some folk
[10:01] Locklainn Linden: ill pm you in irc if you want to know
[10:01] Locklainn Linden: so you can talk personally
[10:02] Tao Takashi: well, we cannot do registration as we do it now
[10:02] Infinity Linden: 'cause i think the idea is we're going to try to go with "standard" python bits
[10:02] Locklainn Linden: either way, how much of grok is what we are going to use?
[10:02] Infinity Linden: in preference to stuff invented here
[10:02] Tao Takashi: as this relies on import sequence
[10:02] Locklainn Linden: ok, so infinity hit the spot,
[10:02] Locklainn Linden: I think we need some decision framework in place
[10:02] Tao Takashi: so one way would be that XML syntax but that's sometimes annoying. grok seems to be the easiest
[10:02] Locklainn Linden: so we can determine what we consider good/bad
[10:03] Infinity Linden: i guess if it runs, it's good
[10:03] Locklainn Linden: enus called them specs or guidelines
[10:03] Locklainn Linden: haha
[10:03] Tao Takashi: well, in general I would prefer an existing open source project over something we invent ourselves
[10:03] Locklainn Linden: right, and this dev said otherwise,
[10:03] Locklainn Linden: so
[10:03] Locklainn Linden: that is something we should determien for pyogp
[10:03] Infinity Linden: and then, me personally, i would say code that other people are responsible for testing is better than code we're responsible for testing
[10:04] Tao Takashi: grok is also in use
[10:04] Infinity Linden: see! Our user community has spoken! "[10:03
[10:04] Tao Takashi: and we could even attract devs from those communities
[10:04] Locklainn Linden: hey, I don't care either way
[10:04] Locklainn Linden: all I'm saying is that we should decide one way or another
[10:05] Locklainn Linden: so decisions like this will be transparent
[10:05] Infinity Linden: yeah.. i'm happy to make PyOGP as thin as possible
[10:05] Infinity Linden: but still have the functionality we need
[10:05] Infinity Linden: ah ah
[10:05] Infinity Linden: good point LL
[10:05] Infinity Linden: maybe we could add a bit of verbage to the wiki about that
[10:05] Locklainn Linden: yes, that's what I'm saying
[10:05] Locklainn Linden: exactly
[10:06] Infinity Linden: yay! more wiki tasks
[10:06] Locklainn Linden: so what's the concensus? open source stuff, no matter how much dependency it adds?
[10:06] Tao Takashi: you can always take the code and freeze it yourself anyway if you think you need to
[10:06] Infinity Linden: hmm... let's hope it doesn't come to that
[10:06] Saijanai Dagger: I'd say it would have to be that way. Can't afford any non-opensource stuff currently
[10:07] Locklainn Linden: i mean, non linden or pyogp
[10:07] Trent Mavendorf: what wouold be a possible non-opensource alternative?
[10:07] Locklainn Linden: anything we write for pyogp will be open, of course
[10:07] Tao Takashi: well, then we depend on our own stuff.. I mean if there is a released version of something then this should be fine
[10:07] Locklainn Linden: yes, eitehr we depend on what we write
[10:07] Locklainn Linden: or we depend on open stuff, like grok
[10:08] Infinity Linden: well... the great thing about this project is it's never, ever "finished"
[10:08] Locklainn Linden: ......
[10:08] Infinity Linden: my personal take on things is
[10:08] Locklainn Linden: way to depress me :)
[10:08] Tao Takashi: ok, but checking out components to use is only that much right now
[10:08] Infinity Linden: we create a dependency 'til we discover it's untenable
[10:08] Infinity Linden: then remove it
[10:08] Tao Takashi: now that we slowly have our toolset we probably don't need to add much more
[10:08] Infinity Linden: but the objective is to reduce the wall clock time to solution
[10:09] Infinity Linden: so if these dependencies create problems, then we eliminate them
[10:09] Tao Takashi: sounds good to me. I will also try to get the grok main developer here for next time maybe :)
[10:09] Infinity Linden: cool
[10:09] Tao Takashi: he is even in SL :)
[10:09] Locklainn Linden: ok
[10:09] Tao Takashi: and his wife is making more money in SL than he is with IT consulting ;-)
[10:09] Tao Takashi: well, sometimes
[10:09] Infinity Linden: w00t!
[10:09] Locklainn Linden: so we should post that to the wiki somewhere
[10:09] Locklainn Linden: in our guildelines
[10:09] Locklainn Linden: guidelines*
[10:09] Saijanai Dagger: I think he showed up a few minutes after everyone else left. Martholamew or soemthign?
[10:10] Saijanai Dagger: Barthalamew*
[10:10] Tao Takashi: Beam Ray
[10:10] Saijanai Dagger: someone else then
[10:10] Trent Mavendorf: Bartholomew. He is my brother next best friend ;-).
[10:10] Infinity Linden: yeah.. if this whole architect gig goes south, i'm gonna have to investigate selling textures
[10:10] Tao Takashi: Barth is from cologne, I know him personally
[10:10] Infinity Linden: cool
[10:10] Tao Takashi: he might be interested in hacking the client ;-)
[10:11] Infinity Linden: right... so a couple lines about why creating dependencies can be good...
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: I also wanted to clear something up about the test harness,
[10:11] Infinity Linden: i'll volunteer to write taht for the wiki
[10:11] Infinity Linden: okay
[10:11] Infinity Linden: go LL
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: awesome infinity
[10:11] Tao Takashi: cool
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: Tao and I were talking about the harness being a "framework", as it is written on the wiki
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: but a framework is like PyUNIT
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: we are only writing test suites really
[10:11] Tao Takashi: by pyunit we talk about unittest in the standard lib?`
[10:12] Locklainn Linden: yes
[10:12] Tao Takashi: ok
[10:12] Infinity Linden: yup
[10:12] Locklainn Linden: ok
[10:12] Locklainn Linden: then I think we should reword the wiki a bit
[10:12] Tao Takashi: I also heard about another test framework at EuroPython but missed the talk
[10:12] Locklainn Linden: to make that clear
[10:12] Infinity Linden: hmm... "Framework" is one of those vague terms
[10:12] Tao Takashi: py.test
[10:12] Infinity Linden: hmm... PyUNIT has the benefit of being ubiquitous
[10:13] Locklainn Linden: yea, I agree infinity
[10:13] Infinity Linden: it's distributed with the standard distribution since... uh... 2.1
[10:13] Infinity Linden: ?
[10:13] Tao Takashi: [6]
[10:13] Infinity Linden: i'm happy to look at it
[10:14] Infinity Linden: but... wow... funny that someone who keeps talking about how the world should be recoded in Smalltalk should appeal to the "everyone knows PyUNIT" argument
[10:14] Tao Takashi: I like doctests better anyway ;-)
[10:14] Locklainn Linden: so,
[10:14] Tao Takashi: but they hook into the unittest lib as well
[10:14] Locklainn Linden: maybe that's something we should decide upon as well
[10:15] Infinity Linden: i'm happy to look at it... but i would have to say... if it makes things happen faster
[10:15] Infinity Linden: then it's worth investigating
[10:15] Infinity Linden: but
[10:15] Infinity Linden: if it's just another S/J/PyUNIT
[10:15] Infinity Linden: enh...
[10:16] Tao Takashi: enh?
[10:16] Infinity Linden: "enh" is the sound of me shrugging my shoulders
[10:17] Infinity Linden: hmm... i _am_ in a 3d virtual world... i should hook up the shrugging shoulders animation
[10:17] Locklainn Linden: right
[10:17] Locklainn Linden: in any case, that is another decision to make
[10:17] Infinity Linden: so.. to recap... if py.test allows us to represent our testing tasks and objectives using more concise abstractions leading to faster deployment (or whatever)
[10:18] Infinity Linden: it's probably worth it
[10:18] Tao Takashi: wait, py.test is something completely different
[10:18] Infinity Linden: but if it doesn't, then... i don't know it's worth it
[10:18] Tao Takashi: I should not have mentioned it maybe ;-)
[10:18] Locklainn Linden: haha
[10:18] Locklainn Linden: ok, so what is on the plate for testing?
[10:18] Infinity Linden: no no... we shouldn't really edit ourselves
[10:18] Locklainn Linden: unittest..
[10:18] Locklainn Linden: what else?
[10:18] Tao Takashi: it has some nice features I think and might be easier to write tests for but it's another dependancy ;-)
[10:18] Infinity Linden: plus
[10:18] Infinity Linden: at this point
[10:19] Infinity Linden: i actually know PyUNIT more intimately than py.test
[10:19] Infinity Linden: no reason we can't have both
[10:19] Tao Takashi: I mean, you can still look at py.test of course. I haven't really but it looks nice, supports distributed testing and seems easier to setup
[10:19] Infinity Linden: but i'm moving forward with the thing that i know best right now
[10:19] Tao Takashi: sure
[10:19] Locklainn Linden: I guess
[10:19] Infinity Linden: and yes... i'm sure people said very similar things to justify using COBOL
[10:19] Locklainn Linden: but shouldn't we have some idea of what we all should use? seems to make sense haha
[10:19] Tao Takashi: esp. for tests it should be more the author's choice so that tests get written
[10:20] Tao Takashi: right now it's really just unittest and doctest which are on the plate I guess and both are in the std lib
[10:20] Locklainn Linden: but then how do the people running the, say, automated tests, know which t ests to run
[10:20] Locklainn Linden: and how
[10:20] Locklainn Linden: if there is not one central/standard way
[10:20] Tao Takashi: you mean for test harness or for the lib?
[10:20] Tao Takashi: I guess harness
[10:20] Locklainn Linden: yea
[10:21] Locklainn Linden: harness*
[10:21] Tao Takashi: well, as test suites can be merged together we simply need a way to specify what get's merged
[10:21] Tao Takashi: which might be in a config file
[10:21] Infinity Linden: blergh
[10:21] Infinity Linden: lets get some tests first
[10:21] Locklainn Linden: but that would be tests of different frameworks
[10:21] Infinity Linden: then worry about how peeps outside our group of l33t coders will run them
[10:21] Tao Takashi: I think, Infinity is right. Let's first write some tests :)
[10:21] Tao Takashi: we can still organize things afterwards
[10:22] Locklainn Linden: ok
[10:22] Infinity Linden: but since i have a test framework fetish
[10:22] Infinity Linden: i'm definitely going to look at py.test sometime soonish
[10:22] Tao Takashi: it's coming from the pypy people so it must be good ;-)
[10:23] Infinity Linden: okay... won't say anything... pypy i thought was a touch confusing
[10:23] Infinity Linden: d'oh! I said something
[10:23] Tao Takashi: pypy, not pypi ;-)
[10:23] Tao Takashi: [7]
[10:23] Infinity Linden: uhoh... now i'm not sure i know the difference
[10:23] Infinity Linden: we should end this meeting soon lest i have too many python URLs to investigate
[10:23] Tao Takashi: pypi is the Python Package Index
[10:24] Infinity Linden: hold on
[10:24] Tao Takashi: pypy is a reimplementation of python in python
[10:24] Infinity Linden: what's pypy? nevermind... i have the link
[10:24] Infinity Linden: what was the python in Scheme thing?
[10:24] Tao Takashi: it's for the really l33t coderz ;-)
[10:24] Tao Takashi: I guess so
[10:25] Infinity Linden: yeah... actually once you can rewrite Scheme in Scheme, it's trivial to write Python in Scheme
[10:25] Infinity Linden: but
[10:25] Infinity Linden: if Zero finds out i'm talking about Sheme
[10:25] Infinity Linden: he'll kill me
[10:25] Locklainn Linden: how much will you pay me not to tell him :)
[10:25] Tao Takashi: eventlet is somewhat related to pypy work
[10:25] Infinity Linden: lol.. you have learned well young padawan.. i name you Darth Lochlainn
[10:25] Tao Takashi: as pypy has a lot of side projects, stackless and greenlet coming from there
[10:25] Locklainn Linden: haha
[10:26] Infinity Linden: yeah... while i bow in honor to Donovan's python godhood
[10:26] Infinity Linden: supporting profiling with mulib and eventlets was a pain in the rear
[10:26] Tao Takashi: I can imagine
[10:26] Infinity Linden: okay... i gotta get going
[10:26] Tao Takashi: glad you will write everything down we need to know in some blog post :)
[10:27] Infinity Linden: i have a few more meetings this morning
[10:27] Infinity Linden: oh
[10:27] Infinity Linden: we could do a group blog or something
[10:27] Infinity Linden: the Squeak folk did that
[10:28] Infinity Linden: it was frightfully boring for folk that didn't know what was going on
[10:28] Tao Takashi: but not on secondlife.com please ;-)
[10:28] Infinity Linden: but good to keep a record for the project participants
[10:28] Tao Takashi: I am not sure I am able to fill yet another blog anyway ;-)
[10:28] Infinity Linden: lol
[10:28] Infinity Linden: yeah.. i stopped blogging when i came to LL
[10:28] Tao Takashi: ic, so where is your blog? :)
[10:28] Locklainn Linden: Locklainn Linden?
[10:29] Infinity Linden: er... LindenLab
[10:29] Tao Takashi: but we can keep the idea in mind
[10:29] Locklainn Linden: haha, jk, call me Lock or something, confuses me everytime
[10:29] Infinity Linden: and it's 10:30 and i have to run
[10:29] Infinity Linden: okay... Lock has a new official nicname
[10:29] Infinity Linden: so
[10:30] Infinity Linden: thanks everyone
[10:30] Locklainn Linden: thanks
[10:30] Infinity Linden: feel free to stay as long as you wish... mi casa, su casa
[10:30] Tao Takashi: I still don't know what the decision on grok is though ;_)
[10:30] Tao Takashi: but anyway, good meeting :)
[10:30] Infinity Linden: but you don't get modify rights
[10:30] Tao Takashi: I need some food
[10:30] Locklainn Linden: yea, good meeting
[10:30] Locklainn Linden: bye all
[10:30] Infinity Linden: mmm
[10:32] Trent Mavendorf: bye at all
[10:33] Saijanai Dagger: well I'm off to start the irc client isntead of hte snd Second LIfe client. a case of pick 2
[10:33] Becky Pippen: bye all
[10:33] Saijanai Dagger: laters all