User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Jun 28

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	good afternoon!
[15:05]	AnnaLee Janus:	hi
[15:05]	Very Susanti:	hello hello
[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	Thursdays are always such a light crowd for some reason
[15:06]	Very Susanti:	before we get too many people can I ask an off topic question about voice?
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	sure, Very
[15:06]	Very Susanti:	is there any reason why a class 5 island would not be scheduled for voice?
[15:07]	Very Susanti:	I have an island that is not showing in the map
[15:07]	Very Susanti:	should I be worried?
[15:07]	Very Susanti:	or just be patient?
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	when you say it's not showing up in the map, do you mean it doesn't have a voice icon on it?
[15:07]	Very Susanti:	more than that it doesn't have any icon in the map
[15:08]	Very Susanti:	just shows as blank
[15:09]	Very Susanti:	I forget the sim servcer url but it is like 3340 something
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	do you mean the region doesn't appear at all?
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Jurin
[15:09]	Jurin Juran:	hi
[15:10]	Very Susanti:	exactly
[15:10]	Very Susanti:	just see blank ocean
[15:10]	Very Susanti:	sim name is vulcania
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	hmm that's strange. even if you zoom in it's blank?
[15:11]	Very Susanti:	yeppos
[15:12]	Very Susanti:	that is where my playground is
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure why that would be the case, are there other regions around your location that also don't show up?
[15:12]	Very Susanti:	oh well
[15:12]	Very Susanti:	no it is an isolated sim
[15:13]	Very Susanti:	by design
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	unfortunately I'm not sure why it's not showing up. I suppose you could try filing a support request
[15:13]	Very Susanti:	how do I do that now?
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	I know there were some issues with private regions not showing up at certain zoom levels but it doesn't sound like that's the problem
[15:13]	Very Susanti:	cause I have an invetory issue too and I don't know how to file a report
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	let me find the link for you
[15:14]	Very Susanti:	thanks
[15:14]	Tao Takashi:	20th office hour for today ;-)
[15:14]	Tao Takashi:	Hi everybody :)
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	oh I hi Tao
[15:14]	Very Susanti:	Hi Tao
[15:14]	Tao Takashi:	at least it feels like it ;-)
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	haha
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	are you making the rounds?
[15:14]	Tao Takashi:	I should reduce my fanboyism ;-)
[15:14]	Tao Takashi:	Prok would like that, too ;-)
[15:14]	Very Susanti:	haha
[15:14]	Tao Takashi:	or maybe not
[15:14]	Jurin Juran:	ok very i know i came in late, but i see Vulcania in my map
[15:15]	Very Susanti:	I am picky I don't have time to go Linden hoping
[15:15]	Very Susanti:	really?
[15:15]	Jurin Juran:	yes
[15:15]	Tao Takashi:	di you think I have time?
[15:15]	Very Susanti:	http://secondlife.com/voicemap/
[15:15]	Very Susanti:	??
[15:15]	Tao Takashi:	I did not get much work done today ;-)
[15:15]	Very Susanti:	or just the map map
[15:15]	Jurin Juran:	i see it sw of tropica and pacifica
[15:15]	Tao Takashi:	I am not sure the voicemap is of much help, I'd like more a time when I will get voice ;-)
[15:15]	Jurin Juran:	see i am late....i am not talking about voicemap
[15:16]	Tao Takashi:	I usually notice if a sim I am on has voice or not ;-)
[15:16]	Very Susanti:	haha yeah that is kinda a sandbox area I hate having to jump somewhere else to use voice
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	Very, support info is here:
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	https://secure-web4.secondlife.com/community/support.php
[15:16]	Very Susanti:	thank you
[15:17]	Revolution Perenti:	hi Ben :)
[15:17]	Tao Takashi:	Hi Revolution
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	hey there Revolution
[15:18]	Revolution Perenti:	hi Tao, and everyone else :))
[15:18]	Tao Takashi:	so what is the topic today? :)
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	well I don't have a specific topic picked out. I do have some good news on voice: we have some very big improvements to the Communicate window in the works
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	we hope to have that pushed to the first look viewer in the next week or so
[15:19]	Tao Takashi:	cool :)
[15:19]	Revolution Perenti:	Ben do you know if there will ever been a way to contact lindens about bugs other then jira , i have big issues with that site
[15:19]	Tao Takashi:	I heard people complaining about it today again
[15:19]	Tao Takashi:	and nobody find that tear off icon btw
[15:19]	Revolution Perenti:	there 3 security issues i tried to show meta but shes been busy lately
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	Revolution, you can file a support request using this link
[15:19]	Squirrel Wood:	Meep
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	https://secure-web4.secondlife.com/community/support.php
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	also, you can submit potential security issues to security@lindenlab.com
[15:20]	Revolution Perenti:	one of them is buy lindens webpage, other is link messages and can ever gain access to channels and managed to reboot sim with it
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	I gather the Open saucians are still babbling away in SL4B ^^
[15:21]	Revolution Perenti:	like you can get almost free lindens i thinks kinda series
[15:21]	Tao Takashi:	see, I missed all sl4b events ;-)
[15:21]	Revolution Perenti:	lol i was there as Opensource dev
[15:21]	Tao Takashi:	ah right, Robs meeting
[15:21]	Tao Takashi:	one office hour I missed today ;-)
[15:21]	Tao Takashi:	damn
[15:21]	Revolution Perenti:	hehe
[15:21]	Squirrel Wood:	It was more of an office crowd ^^
[15:21]	Tao Takashi:	so how can I get free Lindens? :)
[15:22]	Very Susanti:	I have a new topic, one that has been discussed in the context of open source meetings, but one that has a big impact on user experience. There has been some effort for looking into client browser extentions, maybe kinda like a pluggin architecture. Any thoughts on that?
[15:22]	Revolution Perenti:	lol not telling anyone lol
[15:22]	Revolution Perenti:	showed meta how to do it
[15:22]	Tao Takashi:	Revolution wants all free Lindens for herself, ic
[15:22]	Very Susanti:	omg I went to a few of the events the lag was unbelievable
[15:22]	Revolution Perenti:	lol nope dont need them either
[15:22]	Tao Takashi:	just sharing it with Lindens
[15:22]	Tao Takashi:	is this a case for the exploit bug report category?
[15:23]	Tao Takashi:	so somebody wakes up at night? :)
[15:23]	Revolution Perenti:	well i dont really want to show people by posting it on jira
[15:23]	Squirrel Wood:	So one could say it has the high potential of being abused and ruin the market.
[15:23]	Revolution Perenti:	like that sourcecode hack ben i told meta about that like 3 months ago
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	Revolution, please send details on the issue to security@lindenlab.com
[15:23]	Revolution Perenti:	and you only cought on
[15:23]	Tao Takashi:	but there is this security issue menu item
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	that list is only monitored by lindens
[15:24]	Revolution Perenti:	told you before too i think
[15:24]	Revolution Perenti:	lsl is too primitive too
[15:24]	Tao Takashi:	that sounds more like a general rant ;-)
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	office hours really aren't the right forum to discuss security issues, but thanks for letting me know, Revolution
[15:24]	Revolution Perenti:	yea i know lol
[15:25]	Tao Takashi:	not that it's not true... ;-)
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	Very, I wanted to get back to your question about plug-ins
[15:25]	Revolution Perenti:	i was just passing by actually
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks Revolution
[15:25]	Revolution Perenti:	but i stay for bit
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	can you explain more what you mean by that, Very
[15:25]	Very Susanti:	it is an important area for tools developers
[15:25]	Squirrel Wood:	humm... for furries some form of "fur rendering" may be part of the user experience ^^
[15:25]	Tao Takashi:	we still have a free chair :)
[15:26]	Squirrel Wood:	which would, for example take the body skin as base for the rendered "fur strands" color ^^
[15:26]	Revolution Perenti:	yea like 3dsmax plugins shaghair and shagfur ^^
[15:26]	Revolution Perenti:	using nerbs
[15:27]	Squirrel Wood:	could be used for hair and realistic beards too ^^
[15:27]	Very Susanti:	or pluggins that can react to messages sent by inworld object
[15:27]	Revolution Perenti:	look at poser , if this was easy way to make something for sl that way :^_^
[15:27]	Very Susanti:	and use functionality available in the client that are not accessable through LSL
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	there definitely has been discussion about a plug-in architecture for the viewer
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood:	Matrix style? ^^
[15:28]	Very Susanti:	buidling extentions and building tools are some of the first things that come to mind
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	in fact we have a new development group at Linden Lab that's going to work on improving the viewer's UI architecture
[15:28]	Revolution Perenti:	like add 3d import i would think be good in the future of sl maybe in 2.x
[15:28]	Tao Takashi:	which reminds me that I wanted to check out Qarls maya importer
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	but I think the plug-in stuff isn't happening until later this year
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood:	3d import... you'd have to limit the mesh size on that one though
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	Very, can you give some examples of the kinds of things you'd like to see supported with plug-ins?
[15:29]	Tao Takashi:	actually I met Qarl by accident earlier :)
[15:29]	Very Susanti:	yes security becomes important since opening up the client can lead to all kinds of abuses too so it is not a trivial issue
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	Do you all know who Glenn Linden is?
[15:29]	Tao Takashi:	showed him the lathe tool
[15:29]	Tao Takashi:	Hey, I was at 2 office hours with Glenn today :)
[15:29]	Tao Takashi:	so yes
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood:	I have not had the luck of meeting Glenn yet
[15:29]	Revolution Perenti:	or maybe when server side code is opensource we can start making tools to convert there to sl better
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	haha ok, well Glenn has been hosting office hours with various technical representatives in the company
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	in a couple weeks he'll have one with the technical lead of the new development group I mentioned for UI enhancements
[15:30]	Tao Takashi:	but isn't that limited to the sldev members?
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	that would be a great opportunity to discuss plug-in architecture
[15:30]	Revolution Perenti:	well im not a moder , i just script
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	no, anyone can attend his office hours
[15:30]	Squirrel Wood:	Ta! I want a group screenshot of *all* the Lindens ingame together ^^
[15:30]	Tao Takashi:	but they are on the sldev island and not everybody has access ;-)
[15:31]	Very Susanti:	thur morning?
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	oh I didn't realize that Tao
[15:31]	Revolution Perenti:	lol yea i want one if there if is ever one that exists
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	hmm, let me talk to Glenn about that
[15:31]	Tao Takashi:	beside that I seem to be the only one at his office hours ;-)
[15:31]	Very Susanti:	haha
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	I guess technically anyone can join sldev right?
[15:31]	Tao Takashi:	as he's the business contact I guess it's ok to have it on sldev but maybe he also wants to do more open ones
[15:31]	Tao Takashi:	no idea
[15:33]	Tao Takashi:	I don't even find it
[15:33]	Tao Takashi:	but probably best to check with Glenn, he should know how he wants to handle it :)
[15:34]	Tao Takashi:	at least he once mentioned more open office hours
[15:34]	Tao Takashi:	everybody asleep or am I crashed?
[15:34]	Very Susanti:	major lag freeze here
[15:34]	Tao Takashi:	ah,ic
[15:34]	Very Susanti:	wait reading up
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm still here
[15:35]	Tao Takashi:	yay, no crash :)
[15:35]	Very Susanti:	most of the applications I have in mine are realted to more advanced building tools
[15:35]	Revolution Perenti:	hehe
[15:35]	Tao Takashi:	well, stuff like lathe tool would be cool as plugin or whatever extension
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	sorry guys, someone came by to chat
[15:36]	Tao Takashi:	you still chat in RL?
[15:36]	Revolution Perenti:	do love the sculties which has been introduced , so much easier already , just kinda strange when you rez them that you see a sphere for a few seconds
[15:36]	Jurin Juran:	lol
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	haha yes, we do Tao :-)
[15:36]	Very Susanti:	there an inworld building aids like Skidz Primz for example but they are not really that powefull, especially with large builds
[15:36]	Revolution Perenti:	lol who i script for lol
[15:36]	Very Susanti:	yeah I see your title :)
[15:36]	Very Susanti:	that is why I didn't mention someone else
[15:37]	Revolution Perenti:	got really big tool coming out soon, jus tstarted beta releases today
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood:	I'd like to be able to cut/carve prims like in... those map editors for games like quake/unreal...
[15:37]	Revolution Perenti:	using sculties to clone hehe
[15:37]	Very Susanti:	I would like to be able to scale in a singe dimension
[15:37]	Benjamin Linden:	so this discussion around plug-ins seems to be focusing on enhancing the build tools in SL
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood:	Yes. that would be one important use for them :)
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	are there other kinds of plug-ins that would be helpful
[15:38]	Very Susanti:	"psuedo link" larger structures without having to drag scripts into things and copy things in and out of my inventore
[15:38]	Tao Takashi:	well, there are many lsl based tools but sorta they are all just workarounds I think
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood:	voice manipulation plugins ? VST plugins mayhaps ?
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	VST?
[15:38]	Tao Takashi:	yes, if bigger builds cannot be really linked at least for moving something like that some logical link would be great
[15:38]	Revolution Perenti:	also have my own project being released poss tonight whne i tested inside and out for builders and people on there first lands
[15:38]	Very Susanti:	tools for incorporating new multimedia content
[15:39]	Very Susanti:	like a web presentation panel for meeting
[15:39]	Squirrel Wood:	Steinberg's Virtual Studio Technology and its acronym VST refer to an interface standard for connecting audio synthesizer and effect plugins to audio editors and hard-disk recording systems and also giving the plugins a Graphical User Interface (GUI) for easy manipulation.
[15:39]	Revolution Perenti:	also ogg vobis should be used instead of mp3 and maybe something else for mpeg
[15:39]	Tao Takashi:	and a Kaneva plugin
[15:39]	Very Susanti:	yes an audio synthesizer pluggin for when I in a coffee shop and can't speak
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood:	According to Soft Linden, uploaded audio is converted to OGG
[15:40]	Very Susanti:	a zero lag heads up display
[15:40]	Very Susanti:	a multiple window interface
[15:40]	Very Susanti:	you name it
[15:40]	Very Susanti:	a zillion different uses
[15:40]	Revolution Perenti:	winamp supports ogg and probley alot more, seems to be used by everyone, sure wmp supports it too
[15:41]	Revolution Perenti:	used it my game engine i wrote some time ago , found the quality so much more vast over mp3, less memory, cpu
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood:	plugins could be used to add functionality that one has to "script" into prim HUDs nowadays.. like RP attack/damage stuff
[15:42]	Very Susanti:	or they could just not take up server resources too
[15:42]	Revolution Perenti:	why alot of online games use it, epic for example
[15:42]	Very Susanti:	and can perform operation not available in scripts
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	Very, you should defnitely attend Glenn's office hours when Steve Linden speaks
[15:42]	Very Susanti:	of course that opens up dangers too
[15:43]	Very Susanti:	I go to Rob's alot
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	Rob's are good too
[15:43]	Revolution Perenti:	there much news abut mono , yet Ben or it working now in lsl not really tried incase im wasting time
[15:43]	Very Susanti:	but what you can cade and should code are often two different things
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	the one with Steve is Thursday, July 12th at 11am
[15:43]	Very Susanti:	code
[15:43]	Tao Takashi:	put it in the calendar :)
[15:43]	Revolution Perenti:	been some time since we had blogs about it
[15:43]	Tao Takashi:	what is Steve doing?
[15:43]	Very Susanti:	is there a mailing list?
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	Glenn has a mailing list for developers
[15:44]	Very Susanti:	how do I get on it?
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	I don't have the info right in front of me, it might be on the wiki
[15:44]	Tao Takashi:	I think you submit an application for the dev directory
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	Tao, Steve is running the new development group focused on UI architecture
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood:	How far towards full functionality (lsl commands) is Mono actually?
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	which will help do some of the things like plug-in architecture, skinning, etc.
[15:45]	Tao Takashi:	now I again cannot read much of your chat because my IM groups are so active ;-)
[15:45]	Revolution Perenti:	becuase after the post i saw some time ago faster access, less memory, faster compile times
[15:45]	Revolution Perenti:	and its so much more powerfull then lsl
[15:45]	Tao Takashi:	ah, maybe I will have a look at his office hour
[15:45]	Very Susanti would like proper collections
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not up to speed on what's happening with Mono, I don't know of any ongoing work at the moment
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood:	=> HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.1.3: Couldn't find animation Outrider-Female-Stand5 (no copy) (no modify) <= please turn this thing off? ^^
[15:46]	Very Susanti:	not mine
[15:46]	Tao Takashi:	btw, any news on the germans-want-a-better-german-client project? :)
[15:46]	Very Susanti:	what channel is it on?
[15:46]	Revolution Perenti:	seems to be alot of asset servers issues lately too Ben, started saving all my scripts i make on my pc
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	I have a meeting on localization tomorrow, Tao
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	so I should have an update for you next week
[15:46]	Tao Takashi:	great :-)
[15:47]	Revolution Perenti:	so very often im loosing objects in world and inventry
[15:47]	Very Susanti:	haha I always do anyway
[15:47]	Revolution Perenti:	lol yea but when you spend weeks on project in world , then come in again and find your object has no owner, no creator
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	Revolution, we have a group working on inventory loss
[15:47]	Revolution Perenti:	then restart sim it vanishes
[15:47]	Tao Takashi:	ah, then this group should immediately stop maybe! :)
[15:48]	Benjamin Linden:	it turns out that it's lots of different problems, not just one
[15:48]	Revolution Perenti:	happening all the time on the mainland too then i been using
[15:48]	Jurin Juran:	! i just hope we get all the inventory back one day, I've lost alot of art from my gallery
[15:48]	Revolution Perenti:	often we get phantom objects , scripts wont save , have to use sl when its more off peak
[15:48]	Revolution Perenti:	like 2am in the morning
[15:49]	Very Susanti:	I like the objects that aren't there bug
[15:49]	Benjamin Linden:	I hope you guys are reporting issues you find to PJira
[15:49]	Revolution Perenti:	its asset server, database ques , query drops from mysql
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	that is the most valuable way we have of tracking issues
[15:50]	Revolution Perenti:	lost data that never got inserted
[15:50]	Squirrel Wood:	I have misc-317 and vwr-1414
[15:50]	Revolution Perenti:	alot of sl viewer bugs i been having with my viewer down to memory or cache , can imaine, servers are stuggling with the amount of qeries
[15:51]	Revolution Perenti:	caching system cant keep up
[15:51]	Very Susanti:	so what is in the new communications window?
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	you mean the changes, Very?
[15:51]	Very Susanti:	yeah
[15:51]	Revolution Perenti:	lol was anoying at first but i quite like it now
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	the controls are basically the same, just repositioned to be more efficient
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	and you can hide/show the participant list
[15:52]	Tao Takashi:	yep, you need to get used to it a bit
[15:52]	Very Susanti:	nice
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm glad people are finding it useful
[15:52]	Revolution Perenti:	lol me and meta were debating about when it first firslook came out
[15:52]	Very Susanti:	no seperate window for friends?
[15:52]	Revolution Perenti:	anoying tabs
[15:52]	Very Susanti:	that is my most major issue with the new chatterbox
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	no Friends will continue to stay in the communicate window
[15:52]	Revolution Perenti:	but i kinda like it now
[15:52]	Very Susanti:	blah
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	sorry Very :-(
[15:53]	Very Susanti:	I will have to make more enimies
[15:53]	Jurin Juran:	would be nice to be able to separate friends list into folders
[15:53]	Revolution Perenti:	just takes getting use too, but changes liek this need to be made to make more room for new features
[15:53]	Very Susanti:	I hate scrolling through my list
[15:53]	Revolution Perenti:	with out having too many buttons on screen
[15:53]	Tao Takashi:	as I said before I want groups :)
[15:53]	Tao Takashi:	n:m
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, Jurin, we've received many requests for the ability to organize the friends list
[15:53]	Jurin Juran:	yes, if we had folders it would help with the friends list
[15:53]	Revolution Perenti:	i want 25 more groups into the current 25
[15:53]	Revolution Perenti:	so we have 50
[15:54]	Jurin Juran:	yes 50 groups!
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	I think we should add a search bar to the friends list
[15:54]	Jurin Juran:	or more
[15:54]	Tao Takashi:	I mean friend groups
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	and we've discussed upping the number of groups you can be in
[15:54]	Tao Takashi:	yes, a search bar would be the easy thing to do for now I think
[15:54]	Very Susanti:	yeah I can shove all the people I don't really want to see, but am too afraid to insult them by dropping them
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure when that will happen but we all agreed it should
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	lol @ Very
[15:54]	Benjamin Linden:	just do what Torley does and wipe your friends list clean every few weeks :-)
[15:54]	Very Susanti:	and what about groups with no IM capability
[15:54]	Squirrel Wood:	doesn't the friend list auto-jump to the name when you start typing in one while the list has focus already?
[15:54]	Tao Takashi:	actually I'd also like a revamp of the privacy settings
[15:54]	Revolution Perenti:	lol even you lindens must be running out of groups
[15:54]	Jurin Juran:	LOL Very
[15:55]	Tao Takashi:	right now I never set anything because I need to do it for every friend
[15:55]	Tao Takashi:	and most of them are allowed to see me on the map
[15:55]	Revolution Perenti:	lol but who needs them when you have god mode
[15:55]	Very Susanti:	haha
[15:55]	Tao Takashi:	or supposed to
[15:55]	Revolution Perenti:	hehe
[15:55]	Very Susanti:	I bet he doesn't do that for Alts though
[15:56]	Revolution Perenti:	also i think too land wise, if you forfot you deeded your land to this group you loose complete ownership of land lol
[15:56]	Jurin Juran:	it would be nice to be able to hide offline status from even friends at times.
[15:56]	Revolution Perenti:	think she should aways be llOwner() on land as well as group
[15:56]	Jurin Juran:	oops i mean online status
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	like "go invisible" Jurin?
[15:56]	Jurin Juran:	yes
[15:56]	Tao Takashi:	actually for privacy I only need global switches
[15:56]	Jurin Juran:	like you do
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	yeah that would be nice
[15:57]	Tao Takashi:	like everybody can see me on the map or nobody
[15:57]	Tao Takashi:	or same with online status
[15:57]	Very Susanti:	I can become invisible on the map and radar
[15:57]	Revolution Perenti:	yea and inviable mode talking about that you can still tell if someone online, becuase shows teleport button
[15:57]	Revolution Perenti:	or you could ping them for uid and make online staus checker
[15:57]	Very Susanti:	but you can always find if I am online if you are in my group
[15:57]	Revolution Perenti:	lol
[15:57]	Jurin Juran:	yes it does
[15:57]	Revolution Perenti:	there few database sites online with everyone uid
[15:57]	Tao Takashi:	you can visit them at home and have a look
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	we are talking about making improvements to the mini-map, maybe we could discuss that more next week
[15:58]	Revolution Perenti:	the guy that created the multigadget has one
[15:58]	Tao Takashi:	that would make great comments as nobody ever seems to complain about the minimap ;-)
[15:58]	Revolution Perenti:	logs every uid where someone bought something
[15:58]	Tao Takashi:	comments like "you should be fixing bugs instead!" ;-)
[15:58]	Benjamin Linden:	lol @ Tao
[15:58]	Very Susanti:	yeah or do the same thing with a radar it is not too hard to do
[15:59]	Tao Takashi:	minimap could be a plugin :)
[15:59]	Revolution Perenti:	lol with a rador people will think this is a shhot em up
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	ok folks I need to wrap up, I have another meeting to run to
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for coming!
[15:59]	Very Susanti:	ok
[15:59]	Revolution Perenti:	thanks Ben
[15:59]	Very Susanti:	thank you
[15:59]	Revolution Perenti:	take care
[15:59]	Jurin Juran:	yes thanks
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood:	you have fun at that other meeting ^^
[15:59]	Revolution Perenti:	dont work too hard
[15:59]	Tao Takashi:	thanks for hosting
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks all -see ya!
[16:00]	Squirrel Wood:	/ao on
[16:00]	Tao Takashi:	have a good one :)