User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2008-09-18

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:00]	McCabe Maxsted:	ahoy ben!
[15:00]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Grant
[15:00]	Squirrel Wood:	Hollas!
[15:00]	Benjamin Linden:	how is everyone?
[15:01]	Squirrel Wood:	bePJIRA'd ?
[15:01]	Jacek Antonelli:	Good. Yourself?
[15:01]	McCabe Maxsted:	ahoy malbers!
[15:01]	Jacek Antonelli:	Squishy tentacle greetings, Malbers!
[15:01]	Malbers Linden:	Hello all!
[15:01]	Grant Linden:	this week Elidor Paslong will be presenting a social networking application for Second Life called "Spider" - but I don't seem him online
[15:01]	Malbers Linden waving tentacles
[15:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	Heya Dusan :D
[15:02]	Dusan Writer:	Hey
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood:	just drawing your attention to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8049 for a moment or two ^^
[15:02]	Benjamin Linden:	I have to leave at 3:30 unfortunately
[15:03]	McCabe Maxsted:	meetings?
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	interesting
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, McCabe
[15:04]	Grant Linden:	interesting feature Idea
[15:04]	McCabe Maxsted:	a meeting about getting the serverside implemention for VWR-8049 setup sounds good :D
[15:04]	Harald Hansup:	Grant; cannot see elidor either but I am happy to start the presentation if you like
[15:04]	Malbers Linden:	sure, personal permission masks
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	just saw this
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/secondlife-4freedom/
[15:05]	Grant Linden:	Harald, if you would like to present, that would be great
[15:05]	Harald Hansup:	ok, was not sure if this meeting is text or voice so I do not have anything typed up so bear with me :)
[15:05]	Grant Linden:	text
[15:05]	McCabe Maxsted:	text is best :)
[15:05]	Harald Hansup:	but I do have a little presentation. let me see if I can get it up
[15:06]	Harald Hansup:	just a sec
[15:06]	Harald Hansup:	is that ok for everyone?
[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli:	Works for me :)
[15:07]	Grant Linden:	that's great
[15:07]	Harald Hansup:	ok lets go for it then
[15:07]	Dusan Writer:	/mumbles yes and peers around corner
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:08]	Harald Hansup:	we have been working on a web2 product the last couple of months that we call virtual DNA for social networking platforms
[15:08]	Harald Hansup:	so what you can do
[15:09]	Harald Hansup:	you create / maintain your virtual DNA with our system and then you can carry it around various social networking platforms including SL
[15:09]	Harald Hansup:	this DNA then allows us to map initially users but long term also content and services
[15:09]	Harald Hansup:	and places in SL case
[15:10]	Grant Linden:	For those who have just arrived, Harald Hansup is presenting a social networking application for Second Life called "Spider"
[15:10]	Harald Hansup:	the DNA can be managed on our website at spider.secondplaces.net
[15:10]	Charlette Proto:	thanks
[15:11]	Harald Hansup:	initailly you go through a image based questionaire that then creates the DNA based on your answers / preferences
[15:11]	Harald Hansup:	you can update your DNA at any point
[15:11]	Harald Hansup:	and map it to your SN accounts also using the system
[15:11]	Dusan Writer:	DNA is mostly interests
[15:12]	Harald Hansup:	the service is free to use and our goal is to establish the virtual SN DNA product. a bit like youtube is the community video platform :)
[15:12]	Harald Hansup:	all data is available over REST type of web services meaning that integration with SN tools is really easy
[15:13]	Harald Hansup:	and anyone can start using our DNA for their own purposes
[15:13]	Harald Hansup:	the first release was early sep
[15:14]	Harald Hansup:	the first release is just a simple social matching between SN accounts
[15:14]	Harald Hansup:	it is also focused for SL and we have a HUD that displays the match with the avatars near you
[15:15]	Charlette Proto:	neat
[15:15]	Harald Hansup:	no other SN platforms integrated at this point since our main business focus is in SL
[15:15]	Harald Hansup:	in future we are hoping to do a lot more sophisticated matching as you can see
[15:16]	Charlette Proto:	privacy issues???
[15:16]	Harald Hansup:	but this is very much a pilot and we would see the future featured been developed in agile manner and are keen to listen our end users
[15:17]	Harald Hansup:	so that is a quick overview to our little product
[15:17]	Harald Hansup:	any questions? :)
[15:17]	McCabe Maxsted:	what do I do with my profile after it's made?
[15:17]	Dusan Writer:	DNA primarily means domains of interest is that right?
[15:17]	Malbers Linden:	Charlette + 1 -- privacy issues
[15:17]	Charlette Proto:	privacy issues???
[15:17]	Malbers Linden:	trying to amplify your question
[15:17]	Charlette Proto:	yes some users are gossiping about chat being logged
[15:17]	Harald Hansup:	ok I will start from the top :)
[15:18]	Harald Hansup:	I think the privacy issues are up to people using the service. if you are happy to create your DNA then you are also happy it to be used and shared.
[15:19]	Harald Hansup:	we do not give away the full DNA but only what is available over the web services
[15:19]	Grant Linden:	the application is entirely "opt in"
[15:19]	Charlette Proto:	but if I'm into bondage (just an example) I may not want that to be visible in welcome areas at all
[15:19]	Harald Hansup:	but I am sure we will find out if the privacy is an issue that we have to address more carefully when we actually get more users on this
[15:19]	Charlette Proto:	even to others peeps into the same thing
[15:20]	Charlette Proto:	hehe
[15:20]	McCabe Maxsted:	I suspect it will be, harald
[15:20]	Charlette Proto:	reality mining by the comapny supporting the system
[15:20]	Harald Hansup:	maybe long term when the DNA gets more complexed we will have to give controls for the owners what is visible and when
[15:20]	McCabe Maxsted doesn't want everyone to know about his secret goat fet--err, oops
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	Do you intend to allow people to flag parts of the dna as "private" or "public" ?
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	(goat fet--a cheese?)
[15:21]	Charlette Proto:	I suggest filtering according to the nature of SL sim location
[15:21]	Charlette Proto:	eg PG areas
[15:21]	Kippie Friedkin:	That's a good idea.
[15:22]	Charlette Proto:	thanks
[15:22]	Harald Hansup:	yes I think that is what we should consider if privacy does become an issue but that the moment the thinking is that this is public information and the DNA owner is made aware of this when they create their DNA
[15:22]	McCabe Maxsted:	you don't explicitly state how public/private our dna is on the profile creation page, though
[15:22]	McCabe Maxsted:	could lead to some conclusion
[15:22]	McCabe Maxsted:	confusion
[15:22]	McCabe Maxsted:	hah
[15:22]	Charlette Proto:	peeps are increasingly talking about what google and Amazon know about them
[15:23]	Harald Hansup:	yeah, we have not got our legal team on it yet. it is beta at the moment
[15:23]	Grant Linden:	Harald, how difficult was it for you to link your application database to the Resident user name and resident HUD?
[15:23]	Charlette Proto:	need to make issues like reality mining open to scrutiny from the start
[15:23]	Harald Hansup:	but we have no intentions to use this data anywhere beyond what will be available as web service
[15:23]	Tummy talker:	Time to rest, mom, and take a break for a new meal. Your baby seriously needs you to eat healthy!
[15:24]	Charlette Proto:	need to state that then
[15:24]	Chicken leg : yumm, a tasty chicken leg!
[15:24]	Harald Hansup:	point taken
[15:24]	Charlette Proto:	hehe
[15:24]	Harald Hansup:	any other questions than the privacy issues? :)
[15:24]	McCabe Maxsted is curious how other people will find my profile
[15:24]	Heydon Milter:	Hi
[15:24]	Grant Linden:	Harald, how difficult was it for you to link your application database to the Resident user name and resident HUD?
[15:25]	Charlette Proto:	hehe look at mine all bull
[15:25]	Harald Hansup:	not difficult at all
[15:25]	McCabe Maxsted:	do I have to link them to it, will we be matched and suggested friends over different social networks, the same, do I always have to be wearing the hud? Sort of, err, curious how I interface with it :)
[15:25]	Grant Linden:	For those who have just arrived, Harald Hansup is presenting a social networking application for Second Life called "Spider"
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm going to turn building back off on this parcel, if that's ok
[15:25]	Grant Linden:	thank you Ben
[15:26]	Harald Hansup:	we have a web service that takes your user name and user names to match as arguments and then you get XML back
[15:26]	Kippie Friedkin:	Me too. I'm wearing the HUD right now, but not sure what to do with it. It eats up a lot of screen real estate.
[15:26]	McCabe Maxsted whispers to jacek "quick! rez 'the device'!"
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	too late!
[15:26]	Charlette Proto:	also we all wear too many HUDs as it is we need the iterface extensions to take the HUDs off the screen
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	I have to run. thanks for presenting today, Harald!
[15:26]	Jacek Antonelli:	Take care, Ben!
[15:26]	Charlette Proto:	see you Ben
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	enjoy the rest of the meeting everyone
[15:26]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cya Ben
[15:26]	Harald Hansup:	bye Ben
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	see you next week
[15:26]	Pier Jaecies:	Bye
[15:26]	Grant Linden:	See you later, Ben
[15:26]	Squirrel Wood:	Have a great day!
[15:26]	McCabe Maxsted:	goodluck ben
[15:27]	Charlette Proto:	reiterate (lost in byes) we all wear too many HUDs as it is we need the iterface extensions to take the HUDs off the screen
[15:27]	Charlette Proto:	perhaps another issue sorry
[15:27]	Harald Hansup:	well we just provide the data as XML. how you use that data is up to you.
[15:28]	Harald Hansup:	ask example we just thought we will create this HUD
[15:28]	Harald Hansup:	but you could create what ever you like :)
[15:28]	Harald Hansup:	np
[15:29]	Charlette Proto:	well the huds I know can't be integrated into a common thing as yet
[15:30]	Harald Hansup:	I see Kippie has got it working and we are 80% match :)
[15:30]	Kippie Friedkin:	w00t!
[15:30]	Charlette Proto:	???
[15:30]	Kippie Friedkin:	How can I tell what factors determined the match?
[15:30]	Charlette Proto:	explain
[15:31]	Harald Hansup:	sorry explain what?
[15:31]	Charlette Proto:	the Kippie match for an example
[15:31]	Charlette Proto:	80% means what?
[15:31]	Harald Hansup:	matching is very simple at the moment but will get a lot more inteligent later on
[15:32]	Harald Hansup:	the current match is a social match
[15:32]	Kippie Friedkin:	Ah..Charlette...I registed with Spider last week when I heard we would be talking about it at this meeting.
[15:32]	Kippie Friedkin:	So I am wearing the HUD right now.
[15:32]	Harald Hansup:	so socially we are quite close together
[15:32]	Charlette Proto:	sounds too much like a dating agency to me
[15:32]	Harald Hansup:	to start with yes
[15:32]	Charlette Proto:	is it of any value in terms of real SL needs
[15:32]	Tummy talker:	It seems that it's gonna be a hot day... You'd better drink more liquids so you will keep yourself healthy - and your baby too!
[15:33]	Harald Hansup:	let me show you the last slide again
[15:33]	Harald Hansup:	with the future direction of all this
[15:33]	Kippie Friedkin:	I think it is a great idea. In terms of SL needs...this can help you find people who are like you in some ways.
[15:33]	Kippie Friedkin:	Making connections with people and finding your place is a big part of user retention in SL.
[15:34]	Charlette Proto:	like we all here would be a 100% match and yet we fight like cats
[15:34]	Harald Hansup:	so long term we will match people for different interactions such as
[15:34]	Harald Hansup:	social
[15:34]	Charlette Proto:	what use is that
[15:34]	Harald Hansup:	business
[15:34]	Harald Hansup:	...
[15:34]	Harald Hansup:	and we will start matching content
[15:34]	McCabe Maxsted:	brb, gonna grab a hud
[15:34]	Harald Hansup:	so I know the places in SL that might suite me
[15:34]	Charlette Proto:	business, I go out with a banker, what kind of a match would pick that
[15:35]	Grant Linden:	If nothing else it acts as a conversation starter
[15:35]	Charlette Proto:	OK
[15:35]	Grant Linden:	Are you planning to add other social networks and provide cross platform matches of DNA?
[15:36]	Charlette Proto:	would you match Heydon with other pregnant avies???
[15:36]	Harald Hansup:	well as I said our interest is SL, so we are hoping that since this is so easy to integrated other people would start using it in SN platforms that they do business in
[15:36]	McCabe Maxsted:	why do I have to give you a notecard to register my email?
[15:36]	Harald Hansup:	saying that I might write a facebook app for this since that is really obvious next market
[15:37]	Harald Hansup:	sorry, I have not build the activation terminal for SL so not sure how it works
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	So this will be useful beyond just SL :)
[15:38]	Charlette Proto:	facebook apps are used for reality mining and it is a well known fact (stay away from that)
[15:38]	McCabe Maxsted nods. Just something weird I noticed, never had to do that before. Looking at this hud now
[15:38]	Harald Hansup:	absolutely. it is meant to be the SN DNA across all SN platforms
[15:38]	Kippie Friedkin:	woo...I have an 88% match with McCabe ;)
[15:38]	McCabe Maxsted:	kippie we match 88% go us
[15:38]	Grant Linden:	for those who are here that have gotten the HUD, how easy did you find the process and do you think new users could complete the process?
[15:38]	McCabe Maxsted:	haha
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:38]	Harald Hansup:	and the same DNA can be mapped to all your SN accounts
[15:38]	Kippie Friedkin:	lol
[15:38]	Charlette Proto:	some apps are developed from kit and vendors don't even get the data the app collects
[15:38]	Tummy talker:	You just received a call from the doctor with the results of your latest exams. He says that everything is ok, and your baby is healthy and eager to come to your arms!
[15:38]	Charlette Proto:	hehe
[15:39]	McCabe Maxsted:	(ack, sorry dusan)
[15:39]	Dusan Writer:	hehe s'ok
[15:39]	McCabe Maxsted:	so what can we do with tehse matches, eventually?
[15:39]	Squirrel Wood:	(why can such scripts not use llOwnerSay() ? )
[15:39]	Charlette Proto:	silence is an \opp to answer the questions above
[15:39]	McCabe Maxsted:	(and pardon me if you already said and I missed it)
[15:40]	Grant Linden:	for those who are here that have gotten the HUD, how easy did you find the process and do you think new users could complete the process?
[15:40]	McCabe Maxsted:	process was pretty awkward, but I'd say that's because it's still early
[15:40]	Kippie Friedkin:	It was pretty easy. But the terminals where you register inworld were confusing.
[15:40]	McCabe Maxsted:	I liked the website registration: strictly pictoral
[15:41]	Kippie Friedkin:	I had to click on a few different ones before it worked.
[15:41]	Charlette Proto:	avie face recognition I suppose
[15:41]	Harald Hansup:	our interest long term is personalised content but you can come up with your own business requirement and we would be happy to hear about it and modify the DNA in order to realise it if required
[15:41]	Tummy talker:	It seems that it's gonna be a hot day... You'd better drink more liquids so you will keep yourself healthy - and your baby too!
[15:41]	Charlette Proto:	in SL we have sooo many faces
[15:42]	Water: Heydon takes a glass of water and drinks it slowly. It feels refreshing!
[15:42]	Charlette Proto:	facebook ideas are just not the place to start
[15:42]	McCabe Maxsted never understood why inworld registration isn't done by sending you an attachment that uses private randomized channels
[15:43]	Grant Linden:	Thank you, Harald for showing us your application and for answering our questions
[15:43]	McCabe Maxsted:	harald: is it safe to say that you're just providing the backend, then? Opening up the process for other people to build on?
[15:43]	Harald Hansup:	np thanks for inviting me and thank you for good and varied feedback
[15:43]	Kippie Friedkin:	I'm excited to see how this tool grows....I see a lot of possibility for this.
[15:43]	McCabe Maxsted is as well :)
[15:43]	Harald Hansup:	yes we are just giving the backend
[15:44]	McCabe Maxsted:	okay. That clears up some confusion I had
[15:44]	Harald Hansup:	if you have any ideas for the terminals how to improve them just IM me please :)
[15:44]	Tummy talker:	You feel the baby kicking inside your tummy, and smiles proudly...
[15:45]	Grant Linden:	We don't have a topic for next weeks Rx office hours. If you have any suggestions please IM me or drop me a notecard.
[15:45]	Grant Linden:	Otherwise we will watch Malbers spin
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli:	Whee!
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood:	how about... useful little tools / small improvements ?
[15:46]	Malbers Linden:	and that is a threat!
[15:46]	Charlette Proto:	talk about the forum and any contributions on impridence perhaps
[15:46]	Arawn Spitteler had that happen when teaching a clas today; keyboard problem
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood:	for the UI from users for users
[15:46]	Grant Linden writes down Squirrels topic
[15:47]	Grant Linden:	we have weeks and weeks of meetings that need topics, so keep them coming
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	Heya Erica!
[15:47]	Squirrel Wood:	I'm sure there's tons of feature requests for little changes that make a huge difference ^^
[15:47]	Dusan Writer:	hey erica
[15:47]	Kippie Friedkin:	Hi Erica
[15:47]	McCabe Maxsted:	ahoy erica :)
[15:47]	Erica Linden:	hi all! whoops. wrong meeting.
[15:47]	Charlette Proto:	motivation eg prizes for completion of tutorial tasks for noobs
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:47]	Squirrel Wood:	Rrrrrrribbit!
[15:47]	Grant Linden:	hello Erica
[15:47]	Arawn Spitteler's soon to be ready to learn Viewer Hakcking
[15:47]	Charlette Proto:	hehe
[15:48]	Charlette Proto:	nice one squirrel
[15:48]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:48]	Charlette Proto:	Love it!!! Love it!!! Love it!!!
[15:48]	Grant Linden:	with the presentaion over, I will officially close this meeting and go post the minutes :)
[15:48]	Grant Linden:	thank you for coming :)
[15:48]	Dusan Writer:	thanks grant
[15:48]	Squirrel Wood:	thanks for having us ^^
[15:48]	McCabe Maxsted:	take care grant
[15:48]	Kippie Friedkin:	Thanks Grant!
[15:48]	Dusan Writer:	cya all
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	Thanks Grant, and thanks Harald!
[15:48]	Grant Linden:	take care all