User:Bridie Linden/Office Hours/2007 Sept 05
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Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:
| [15:00] | Torley Tester: | Heyhey Bridie and Daed! |
| [15:00] | Daedalus Young: | cool thanks |
| [15:00] | Torley Tester waits for rezzing... | |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | Hey Torley! |
| [15:00] | Daedalus Young: | hi Torley |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | Do i look ok now? |
| [15:00] | Daedalus Young: | for me you do |
| [15:00] | Torley Tester: | You look good to me Bridie! |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | Torley, Daed and i were baking textures etc |
| [15:01] | Torley Tester: | Daed, I really enjoyed the video you did... 1 million meters up. |
| [15:01] | Daedalus Young: | thanks |
| [15:01] | Torley Tester: | Bridie, he made a kewl vid... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u5gj81GBQcU |
| [15:01] | Daedalus Young: | was fun to see the av so distorted |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | Hey hey Saijanai! |
| [15:01] | Daedalus Young: | hi Sai |
| [15:01] | Torley Tester: | HAha yes, it's been awhile since I've gone up so high. |
| [15:01] | Torley Tester: | Hey Saijanai! |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | *looks* |
| [15:01] | Saijanai Kuhn: | emphasis on SIGH |
| [15:01] | Daedalus Young: | I got a b.places HUD, that makes you go up at rocket speed |
| [15:01] | Torley Tester: | Hahaha I haven't tried that, who made that? |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | that's a great vid |
| [15:02] | Saijanai Kuhn: | when we can, I'd like to flame you guys a bit about this one: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2285 |
| [15:02] | Daedalus Young: | it's from Brussels Airlines |
| [15:02] | Daedalus Young: | you can vote for popular places |
| [15:02] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I'm mad enough you might want me to take it to IM |
| [15:02] | Daedalus Young: | like at Abbotts is a voting booth |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | Sorry to hear that Saijanai |
| [15:03] | Saijanai Kuhn looks at his grey hair and fishes around for his reading glasses, <hint> <hint> | |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | We only have 5 issues on today's agenda... |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Viewer_Crashes_Agenda |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | but I made a 'back up' agenda (I'll explain in a moment): https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
| [15:03] | Rex Cronon: | Script run-time error |
| [15:03] | Rex Cronon: | Math Error |
| [15:04] | Bridie Linden: | Aric's going to be late today |
| [15:04] | Torley Tester: | I don't recall VWR-2285 ever behaving differently -- sounds like a feature add? |
| [15:04] | Daedalus Young: | hi Rex |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | Hey Rex |
| [15:05] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I recall it working for me. When was the last time YOU needed bi-focals Torley? |
| [15:05] | Torley Tester: | I mean, historically... so you mean at one point during the First Look viewer, Sai, it DID change IM window font size? |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | We haven't started just yet |
| [15:05] | Torley Tester: | Heya Rex! |
| [15:05] | Torley Tester: | Glad you guys could join us. |
| [15:05] | Saijanai Kuhn: | before the First Look viewer, it worked |
| [15:05] | Rex Cronon: | hi daedalus, bridie, torley, and everybody else:) |
| [15:05] | Saijanai Kuhn: | when you added the chatterbox, it stopped working |
| [15:05] | Torley Tester: | Sai: I don't ever recall that, do you have older screenshots? |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | Hey Wyn, welcome! |
| [15:05] | Saijanai Kuhn: | why would I keep such things? |
| [15:05] | Torley Tester: | Sai: You might happen to! :) |
| [15:05] | Wyn Galbraith: | Hiya |
| [15:06] | Bridie Linden: | (Torley would ;) ) |
| [15:06] | Torley Tester: | Part of why I never recall it being different was because I actually asked about this in 2004. |
| [15:06] | Torley Tester: | Haha. |
| [15:06] | Wyn Galbraith is a bit under the weather, "so don't expect me to be my wisecrackin' self" | |
| [15:06] | Torley Tester: | And so Lindens at the time said, "No, chat font size only changes the chat console -- the transparent overlay above the chat bar." |
| [15:06] | Saijanai Kuhn: | well, at one point I seed to be able to read the chat text without having to take off my glsases. Perhaps I am incorrect |
| [15:06] | Bridie Linden: | Np, Wyn |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | Hiya Justa, Barry |
| [15:07] | Justa Koba: | hey |
| [15:07] | Barry Reiter: | lo |
| [15:07] | Torley Tester: | It'd be good to have confirmation Sai but I'm fairly certain (and because I share your readability concerns) that it's never behaved differently. |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | I can ask around too Sai |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | Shall we get started then? |
| [15:07] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I seem to recall that it did, but perhaps the pre-chatterbox allowed me to tweak things in such a way that I could workaround it |
| [15:07] | Torley Tester: | Let's rock and roll Bridie, lead the way! |
| [15:07] | Justa Koba: | I have some information |
| [15:07] | Justa Koba: | that pretains to many crashes |
| [15:08] | Saijanai Kuhn: | and regardless, its a 50+ yearl-old issue that shouldn't have been closed. Why do you think the person was fiddling with the settings? To be anal? |
| [15:08] | Justa Koba: | I would like to say a couple of things that should resolve MANY
of the JIRA tickets that are open at the current time. |
| [15:08] | Rex Cronon: | i am all ears justa |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | Sorry, Sai - we should have probably moved it to be a Feature Request... |
| [15:09] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I'm pretty darned sure I know hwo to fix it, so... |
| [15:09] | Bridie Linden: | Sure Justa, I have some announcements too... |
| [15:09] | Daedalus Young: | sounds to me like an open sourcer's job |
| [15:09] | Daedalus Young: | hi Aric |
| [15:09] | Justa Koba: | I spent around a total of 12 hours walking various residents through a fix. This
fix is relevant to viewer crashes of several types. My issue was a viewer crash whenever my inventory finished fetching, the screen would freeze while sounds could be heard such as typing, streams..... A ticket that we glanced at last week was PlanetThoughts Raymaker I'm sorry I do not recall that jira number, PlanetThoughts was having the screen freeze in the same manner after enabling voice. |
| [15:09] | Aric Linden: | Hiya Daedalus |
| [15:09] | Aric Linden: | Sorry to be late |
| [15:09] | Justa Koba: | I do belive that the editing of an attachment that was in 2 of last weeks jira
tickets -that I had commented on being similar- also will benifit from this fix. Reason being, from the 6-7 other players I helped they ALL HAVE ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR and that is "recent items not purging" and all viewers were "crashing" in the SAME MANNER being that the screen freezes while apparantly still connected. |
| [15:09] | Bridie Linden: | Planet's JIRA VWR-1690 |
| [15:10] | Justa Koba: | *common denominator there |
| [15:10] | Justa Koba: | The fix is simply to uninstall all SL viewers, dump the temp files in windows
and current user. Create a registry backup, then navigate to ALL the registry entries pretaining to SL and remove or rename them. Editing the registry is no light thing, it can cause serious problems with a single misclick this is not something that should be left to players to do on their own |
| [15:10] | Daedalus Young: | oh yeah, Planet commented on the issue |
| [15:10] | Justa Koba: | I found that I had failed to realize the fact SL puts multiple
folders in different areas of the registry. Both under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and under HKEY_CURRENT_USER, and in folders labled as "Linden research" and as "Second Life" or together as "SecondLife" |
| [15:11] | Torley Tester: | Heya Aric! |
| [15:11] | Aric Linden: | grins at torley |
| [15:11] | Daedalus Young: | so that sounds like an update didn't clean up the registry |
| [15:11] | Justa Koba: | That being said, when looking at each of the tickets today please look for this
common denominator -recent items...- also look for the manner SL is "crashing" ie. is it actually a screen freeze. I was also effected by opening the world map causing the viewer to instantly dissappear as if I never had it open. This too was resolved by the same fix. |
| [15:11] | Aric Linden: | nice hat! |
| [15:11] | Torley Tester: | Thanks! |
| [15:11] | Torley Tester: | It came in my colors, I had to get it. :) |
| [15:11] | Aric Linden: | /laughs |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden nods @ Justa | |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden: | Thanks for that update Justa and research |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden: | It's really great that you've been helping other Residents - thank you! |
| [15:12] | Justa Koba: | that's about it really, and then for the developers to find exactly what file is being called upon at these times that many types of crashes happen |
| [15:12] | Torley Tester: | Yes, community support is much appreciated. |
| [15:13] | Bridie Linden: | Aric, are you aware of these types of issues Justa has described? are we not cleaning up properly? |
| [15:13] | Justa Koba: | well, I did feel very overlooked last week and think that teamwork on the issue woulda been nice |
| [15:13] | Aric Linden: | give me a second to read the whole thread please |
| [15:14] | Justa Koba: | KNOWN TO FIX, Recent items not purging, crash on inventory fetch, enabling of
voice, opening of world map causing crash, freeze on image upload or multiple file upload. BELIVED TO FIX, editing attachments, possible crash on sim crossing, various search crashes-freezes, viewing of profiles. |
| [15:14] | Bridie Linden: | I'm sorry you felt that Justa, but thank you for helping figure it out |
| [15:14] | Justa Koba: | mmhmm |
| [15:15] | Justa Koba: | I gotta fix dinner and you couldn't give me an honest blow off even, send me a pm if you have a Q, I will get it in my email |
| [15:15] | Wyn Galbraith: | It does make sense to clean up old installs and temp files though getting users to edit the registry is daring. |
| [15:15] | Aric Linden: | a couple of comments: Justa, what do you mean by "recent items not purging"? |
| [15:15] | Daedalus Young: | he's gone already |
| [15:16] | Rex Cronon: | i think i read about the registry being corrupted somewhere elese too |
| [15:16] | Aric Linden: | I think that cleaning up from time to time is recommended by support and liasons |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | Perhaps we can follow up w/Justa later/offline |
| [15:16] | Aric Linden: | this is a known problem, I think. |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | I was unaware of it and am sorry Justa felt so ignored |
| [15:16] | Aric Linden: | registry editing is NOT a great idea, but not uncommon. I don't suggest it for novices or even mid level users |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | But we know more now! |
| [15:16] | Rex Cronon: | doesn't the viewer installer know what it needs to cleanup? |
| [15:17] | Aric Linden: | It sounds as though the registry isn't being reset properly |
| [15:17] | Torley Tester: | Ideally I would hope that the uninstall process correctly and cleanly removes traces of Second Life -- that's what's expected. |
| [15:17] | Bridie Linden: | Could this be added to a smoketest Aric? |
| [15:17] | Wyn Galbraith does it but has been doing it for a long time. "I wouldn't recommend it either." | |
| [15:17] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:17] | Ciaran Laval: | There's a registry cleanup tool somewhere |
| [15:17] | objective_bg_nav: Touched. | |
| [15:18] | Wyn Galbraith: | I just uninstalled a slue of old SL installs, I didn't think to check the registry to see if it cleaned that up too. |
| [15:18] | Torley Tester: | Yeah there are a lot of registry cleanup tools, some are better than others (and some blindly delete valid entries, so... those are crap). |
| [15:18] | Daedalus Young: | there are many reg apps, better than the MS built in one |
| [15:18] | Torley Tester: | I have personally had good luck with Advanced System Optimizer but that is merely my experiences. |
| [15:18] | Aric Linden: | Bridie, it's not quite as simple as adding it to a smoketest |
| [15:18] | Bridie Linden nods to Aric | |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | Would any of you like to add comments to the issue Justa mentioned? VWR-1690 |
| [15:19] | Aric Linden: | If i'm understanding the issue correctly, there are reasons why the uninstall is partial: I have STRONG suspicions about why that is |
| [15:19] | Rex Cronon: | is there a good free registry cleaning tool available? |
| [15:19] | tomy Hastings: | what is this place? |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | Hi Tomy - we're having a bug triage here |
| [15:19] | Ciaran Laval: | Rex good depends upon the app you're hoping it will clear up |
| [15:19] | Torley Tester: | Welcome! |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | you're welcome to stay |
| [15:19] | tomy Hastings: | thx |
| [15:20] | Rex Cronon: | sl viewer obviously:) |
| [15:20] | Torley Tester: | Tomy, we're going through these issues if you'd like to check them out: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Viewer_Crashes_Agenda |
| [15:20] | tomy Hastings: | k |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | Speaking of agendas... |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | should we move on with today's? |
| [15:20] | Daedalus Young: | yes please |
| [15:20] | Daedalus Young: | :) |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | One thing... |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | As we discussed last week -- we are fast running out of issues to review...only 5 items today. |
| [15:21] | Bridie Linden: | Now that our Release Candidate is out in the wild, I'm considering making my weekly triage an RC triage. |
| [15:21] | Bridie Linden: | Alternatively, it could turn into a more general purpose triage of 'hot' issues? |
| [15:21] | Bridie Linden: | Thoughts? |
| [15:21] | Daedalus Young: | RC sounds good |
| [15:21] | Rex Cronon: | there are no more bugs on jira? |
| [15:21] | Bridie Linden: | After triaging 1.18.3 issues w/Aric Linden and Josh Linden yesterday and considering a change in focus for my triage, I created a back up agenda for today that documented our 'pre-meeting activity': https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
| [15:21] | Jansen Miles: | Good idea. |
| [15:21] | Bridie Linden: | So if we get through the crashes quickly, we can take a look @ the RC issues. |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | (not that we've solved all viewer crashes, of course!) |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | But I also wanted to increase our transparency w.r.t. what's going on with the RC! |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | So let's see if we get there today... |
| [15:22] | Daedalus Young: | yes, sounds good, I'm on the RC, so I can talk about it |
| [15:23] | Torley Tester: | For those of you not familiar with RC = Release Candidate, check out Bridie's posting @ http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/new-update-process-introducing-release-candidate-viewers/ |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | Great! |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | Thx Torley |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | First up today |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | # VWR-1926 - Votes: 6 - Crash on Login (attempt 1) - Bibi Book |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1926 |
| [15:23] | Torley Tester: | OK, so this one has been through our triage before... *checks to see what's new* |
| [15:23] | Daedalus Young: | still haven't seen it again |
| [15:23] | Torley Tester: | Doesn't look like any new info, eh? |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | Nothing new yet |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | leave it? |
| [15:24] | Torley Tester: | Last I recall we kept this open, seeking further knowledge... I'd say so, Bridie. |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | Ok. |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | Next up, # VWR-2304 - Votes: 0 - Unable to open program secondlife.exe application error ((second life)) - Rei Seelowe |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2304 |
| [15:24] | Torley Tester: | Thanks for the JPGing, Daed. |
| [15:24] | Daedalus Young: | yw, is easier than the bmp |
| [15:24] | Torley Tester: | Now I wonder, when did Second Life last work correctly for Rei? And what he may remember changed in the interim? |
| [15:25] | Torley Tester: | He says when he "suddenly crashed"... |
| [15:25] | tomy Hastings: | thx guys...I'm going to go explore...see ya |
| [15:25] | Bridie Linden: | by Tomy |
| [15:25] | Bridie Linden: | *bye |
| [15:25] | Torley Tester: | Bye Tomy! |
| [15:26] | Daedalus Young: | then usually something's gone corrupted |
| [15:26] | Aric Linden: | agrees with daedalus |
| [15:26] | Daedalus Young: | he says he did a uninstall and reinstall, that didn't fix it |
| [15:26] | Aric Linden: | this sounds exactly like a corruption problem |
| [15:26] | Daedalus Young: | so that would point to the registry, imo |
| [15:26] | Torley Tester: | I wonder if he's run CHKDSK t oo. |
| [15:26] | Aric Linden: | and this is where a clean uninstall would make a difference |
| [15:26] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:26] | Ciaran Laval: | Might not be anything to do with SL |
| [15:26] | Torley Tester: | It sounds more serious than SL because it seems like his whole computer restarted... |
| [15:27] | Wyn Galbraith: | I wonder if they tried a reboot after that error. It looks familiar, but I can't place it at the moment. |
| [15:27] | Bridie Linden: | Shall we resolve 'cannot repro' but link to VWR-1690? |
| [15:27] | Wyn Galbraith: | Will most likey come to me in the middle of the night, when I'm sleeping. |
| [15:27] | Ciaran Laval: | Which error? I'm so knackered I'm not following the convo |
| [15:27] | Aric Linden: | well, if we were talking to the system at crash time, it's very possible that something got stepped on |
| [15:27] | Justa Koba gave you Justa Koba -SL cleanup-. | |
| [15:28] | Justa Koba gave you Justa Koba -SL cleanup-. | |
| [15:28] | Torley Tester: | There's another mention of someone seeing "The memory could not be 'read'" here in the older WindLight first look... https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1003 |
| [15:28] | Torley Tester: | Maybe he should reinstall graphics drivers too. |
| [15:28] | Torley Tester: | I don't see mention of that. |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | Ciaran, there's an image attached to VWR-2304 |
| [15:28] | Torley Tester: | I know in the past, when my NVIDIA drivers were borked, SL could crash on startup. |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | Would you mind commenting Torley? |
| [15:28] | Torley Tester: | May not be same/related as this but worth a try. Yes, I'll do that right now. |
| [15:29] | Torley Tester: | And resolve as "Needs More Info"? |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden: | or 'cannot repro'? |
| [15:30] | Wyn Galbraith really wishes error messages would give more info. | |
| [15:30] | Torley Tester: | Yeah... so cryptic Wyn. |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden: | Ready for next one? |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden: | # VWR-2052 - Votes: 1 - cant use voice - froukje hoorenbeek |
| [15:30] | Daedalus Young: | I love the "unexpected error in <unknown>" errors |
| [15:30] | Wyn Galbraith: | Windows - oops I've crashed yet again! Guess why! |
| [15:30] | Ciaran Laval: | id he say he was upto date with his microsoft updates? We had that at work when a windows update caused havoc |
| [15:31] | Wyn Galbraith: | Next. |
| [15:31] | Torley Tester: | Please feel free to leave a comment too, Ciaran. |
| [15:31] | Torley Tester: | NExt! |
| [15:31] | Daedalus Young: | Havok? |
| [15:31] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2052 |
| [15:31] | Wyn Galbraith: | LOL Torley. |
| [15:31] | Torley Tester: | *resolves VWR-2304 as Cannot Reproduce* |
| [15:31] | Rex Cronon: | could i make the suggestion that the creators of issues of jira, be asked to take part to the triage meetings? |
| [15:32] | Rex Cronon: | easier to get info that way |
| [15:32] | Torley Tester: | Rex: That's certainly appreciated. How do you think we should ask them? Sometimes I've left an URL to the bug triage wiki page in the comments. |
| [15:32] | Bridie Linden: | I've started IMing folks some times |
| [15:33] | Wyn Galbraith: | Need more info. |
| [15:33] | Torley Tester: | I've seen a couple forum matches for this same "mangled" error. |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | this is an interesting bug |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | 2052 that is |
| [15:33] | Bridie Linden: | I haven't seen this one before... |
| [15:33] | Torley Tester: | I'll paste those forum links in there. |
| [15:33] | Wyn Galbraith: | Oh nevermind it's in th elogs |
| [15:33] | Bridie Linden: | Import? |
| [15:34] | Aric Linden: | he's running a 64 bit cpu and using it in 32 bit mode. |
| [15:34] | Rex Cronon: | send a email/im that says: attention your issues #? is going to be discussed on this date and at this place. if u like to see it resolved why don't u come |
| [15:34] | Aric Linden: | yes, please. it appears to me that we're overrunning the buffer at start time. |
| [15:34] | Torley Tester: | *imports* |
| [15:34] | Aric Linden: | the voice data seems to overload the buffer. |
| [15:34] | Aric Linden: | cool bug |
| [15:34] | Torley Tester: | Thanks Aric... intriguing. |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | Next up.... |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-2287 - Votes: 0 - Spawning browser (firefox 2.0.0.x) from URL crashes the Linux viewer (1.18.1.2, 1.18.2.0 and 1.18.3.2RC) |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2287 |
| [15:35] | Torley Tester: | Already imported by you Bridie! |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | Anyone running Linux? |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | I'm consistent at least! ;) |
| [15:36] | Torley Tester: | Tee hee hee. |
| [15:36] | Aric Linden: | yeah, i thought it was familar |
| [15:36] | Torley Tester: | Internally, should this go to the triage jamboree pool? |
| [15:37] | Aric Linden: | just triage torley, not been triaged |
| [15:37] | Aric Linden: | thanks |
| [15:37] | Torley Tester: | K. |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden: | So that bring us to VWR-2303 - Votes: 0 - Memory Leak Causes Viewer crash with 8800GTS - |
| [15:37] | Torley Tester: | I'm on a 8800GTS but I don't think this is graphics card-specific... |
| [15:37] | Stevo Gabe: | i have an 8800 gtx and this runs fine |
| [15:37] | Jansen Miles blinks at his new 8800 GTS that just arrived from Newegg. | |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2303 |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | I do know being inworld for a few hours will make my Second Life memory usage balloon to around 1 GB. |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | (another one I imported already) |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | Jansen: Did you get the 320 MB or 640 MB one? |
| [15:38] | Jansen Miles: | 640 |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | Good value for the money. =) |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | This one could use some logs, and an answer from the reporter. |
| [15:39] | Torley Tester: | I can add comment? :) |
| [15:39] | Bridie Linden: | sure |
| [15:39] | Torley Tester: | (Barry, it's hypnotic watching you fly!) |
| [15:39] | Torley Tester: | *comments* |
| [15:39] | Ipenda Keynes: | hehe |
| [15:39] | Barry Reiter: | lol |
| [15:40] | Wyn Galbraith makes notes about the card she should get, "This version doesn't come in PCI does it?" | |
| [15:40] | Bridie Linden: | I think that's it on today's Viewer Crashes list... |
| [15:40] | Bridie Linden: | Ready for more w/RC? |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
| [15:41] | Daedalus Young: | sure |
| [15:41] | Torley Tester: | w00t let's go! |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | There are likely a few more that came in since yesterday... |
| [15:42] | Torley Tester: | Wyn: PCI-E, you mean? Or regular PCI? Which motherboard do you have? :) |
| [15:42] | Ciaran Laval: | Ah Tenenat in distress cya guys |
| [15:42] | Aric Linden: | bridie, do you need me here? |
| [15:42] | Wyn Galbraith: | Bye |
| [15:42] | Torley Tester: | Cyas! |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden: | Up to you Aric |
| [15:42] | Aric Linden: | wow, it looks like popular demand is for me to be gone |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden: | Do you all want to go through each of these? or would you like to review and ask questions? |
| [15:42] | Ipenda Keynes: | hahaha |
| [15:42] | Wyn Galbraith likes having you around Aric ;) | |
| [15:42] | Aric Linden: | /grins |
| [15:42] | Torley Tester: | LOL Aric I was saying that to Ciaran. |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden: | OR, should I see if I can find the new issues? |
| [15:42] | Torley Tester: | ;) |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | Aric is hilarious |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | ;) |
| [15:43] | Wyn Galbraith: | We got time. |
| [15:43] | Aric Linden: | i'll hang for those |
| [15:43] | Aric Linden: | bridie often gets to hear my funniest material |
| [15:43] | Wyn Galbraith: | I bet. |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | 2 drink minimum... |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | :) |
| [15:43] | Aric Linden: | giggles |
| [15:43] | Wyn Galbraith is a 1 drink max. | |
| [15:44] | Daedalus Young: | I drank more already |
| [15:44] | Ipenda Keynes: | Depends on the drink. :P |
| [15:44] | Aric Linden: | an avatar walks into the metaverse... |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden is trolling PJIRA | |
| [15:44] | Wyn Galbraith: | Long Island Ice Tea. |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10631 |
| [15:44] | Torley Tester: | C'mon Issue Tracker, load! |
| [15:44] | Wyn Galbraith: | Wait for it... wait for it.... |
| [15:44] | Wyn Galbraith: | Number was too big Bridie. |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden: | I'm sorting by updated date... |
| [15:44] | Wyn Galbraith: | There it is! |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | here's a new one |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-538 Estate ground texture layers not affected by elevation |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | well, not new exactly |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | but newly tagged w/ RC |
| [15:45] | Torley Tester: | Which means it's still an issue... |
| [15:46] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm part of the problem with that is terrain texturing to a degree is *random*... |
| [15:46] | Torley Tester: | E.g., stay in one place and take a picture, and relog. |
| [15:46] | Torley Tester: | The splotches on the ground will look different. |
| [15:46] | Wyn Galbraith wondered about that, thought it was her brain. | |
| [15:46] | Wyn Galbraith: | /l;a |
| [15:46] | Torley Tester: | Guy Linden knows that one all too well, drove him crazy at one point. ;) (He handles a LOT Of land.) |
| [15:47] | Wyn Galbraith: | Well, thank goodness it's not me! |
| [15:47] | Torley Tester: | So I don't think this is a dead-serious concern, but I hope in the future we can replace our terrain system, a la WindLight. |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | So this is a 'not new in RC' issue? |
| [15:47] | Torley Tester: | I know many Residents have wanted to paint on terrain more directly. |
| [15:47] | Torley Tester: | Right, Bridie. |
| [15:47] | Torley Tester: | Not new, very very old. |
| [15:47] | Wyn Galbraith: | Works as expected? |
| [15:47] | Ciaran Laval: | lol Wyn |
| [15:47] | Daedalus Young: | I liked the patches you saw in a WindLight bug you posted, Torley |
| [15:47] | Wyn Galbraith is serious. :) | |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | do we need to import? |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | Well, it's undesirable but... let me link this to the internal issue from ages ago I reckon... |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | if I can dig that up. |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | Daedalus: Haha. |
| [15:48] | Wyn Galbraith: | LOL, dig up terrain bug. |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | ;) |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | PUNNY! |
| [15:48] | Ipenda Keynes: | Cute. |
| [15:48] | Wyn Galbraith is feverish now. | |
| [15:48] | Bridie Linden grins | |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | Ah yes, SL-29834... Dan reported this eons ago, aka last December. |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | But it's much older than that. |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | "terrain texture is not consistant from session to session" |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | I'll sync these two up. |
| [15:48] | Wyn Galbraith: | One nice thing about SL, you can always come in world even when feeling sickish. |
| [15:49] | Jansen Miles: | This speaks to what it means for the world to be persistent. I think anything as persistant as land should be consistently viewed by all. |
| [15:49] | Torley Tester: | OK, we can go on to other issues? =) |
| [15:49] | Bridie Linden: | yup |
| [15:49] | Wyn Galbraith: | Actually how much land stays consistant in RL? |
| [15:49] | Bridie Linden: | next i see VWR-2322 make http://secondlife.com/app/login/ xhtml compliant to not produce XML_STATUS_ERROR |
| [15:49] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2322 |
| [15:50] | Wyn Galbraith: | For example my back yard is always changing, three little dogs, two cats, one visiting racoon change it all the time. |
| [15:50] | Daedalus Young: | well Wyn, if I relog in RL, the back yard is still the same as before |
| [15:50] | Ciaran Laval: | Is it worth doing? |
| [15:50] | Bridie Linden: | Comment says "I've marked 1.18.3 but this one has been in the source awhile" |
| [15:50] | Aric Linden: | I think we should fix this |
| [15:50] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | i'll import later |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | Since it's nat'l procrastination day and all |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | ;) |
| [15:51] | Daedalus Young: | yes, proper (x)html will save you time in the future, imo |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | Next, I see VWR-2317 app_early_exit returns and allows continued execution |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2317 |
| [15:51] | Aric Linden: | agrees with both daedalus and bridie |
| [15:51] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm Bridie should we clarify, then, that 1.18.3 RC should ONLY be selected if an issue is new to that version? |
| [15:52] | Aric Linden: | I fulfilled my duty today. |
| [15:52] | Torley Tester: | Haha I can help import Bridie. :) |
| [15:52] | Aric Linden: | it's national be late to something day |
| [15:52] | Torley Tester: | Just say da word! |
| [15:52] | Torley Tester: | "Procrastinators' meeting... delayed until next Thursday." |
| [15:52] | Wyn Galbraith: | Bey Aric. |
| [15:52] | Wyn Galbraith: | *bye |
| [15:52] | Bridie Linden: | I think we want to know if it's still happening in RC, Torley. |
| [15:52] | Wyn Galbraith: | Benjamin is late a lot, you're not the only one ;) |
| [15:52] | Torley Tester: | Bridie: Hm, prob is, that applies to *so many bugs*. |
| [15:53] | Aric Linden: | bye wyn |
| [15:53] | Torley Tester: | Because technically any bug that isn't fixed in RC could have that status... |
| [15:53] | Torley Tester: | I was just thinking of how we used First Look: Voice and WindLight to designate issues only happening in them. |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | Hmmm - I was talking w/Rob Linden about this yesterday |
| [15:53] | Rex Cronon: | bye everybody |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | By Rex |
| [15:53] | Ciaran Laval: | Bye Rex |
| [15:53] | Daedalus Young: | bye |
| [15:54] | Bridie Linden: | *Bye |
| [15:54] | Torley Tester: | Ta! |
| [15:54] | Wyn Galbraith thought Aric was leaving! | |
| [15:54] | Ipenda Keynes: | See ya Rex |
| [15:54] | Bridie Linden: | I'd like to hear ARic's thoughts |
| [15:54] | Wyn Galbraith: | LOL |
| [15:54] | Torley Tester: | Aric? =D |
| [15:54] | Aric Linden: | so would aric |
| [15:54] | Daedalus Young: | I think anything that's different between official viewer and rc could be marked RC |
| [15:54] | Bridie Linden: | lol |
| [15:54] | Wyn Galbraith tries to get back on track. | |
| [15:55] | Aric Linden: | no, i think we should import it |
| [15:55] | Daedalus Young: | if a bug suddenly got fixed unofficially inbetween, it'd be nice to know |
| [15:55] | Aric Linden: | even if it's not specifically RC, i'd like to hear what don and steve think about this |
| [15:55] | Wyn Galbraith: | Someone would have to regression test it. |
| [15:55] | Torley Tester: | OK, import VWR-2317? |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | Yes Torley |
| [15:55] | Torley Tester: | Done. |
| [15:56] | Bridie Linden: | Is it new? |
| [15:56] | Bridie Linden: | new in RC? |
| [15:56] | Aric Linden: | I'm gone now. I need to get ready for my 4 PM meeting |
| [15:56] | Torley Tester: | I don't know if it's new. |
| [15:56] | Aric Linden: | bye all. have fun and be late |
| [15:56] | Torley Tester: | I'll ask Gigs tho. |
| [15:56] | Daedalus Young: | bye Aric |
| [15:56] | Torley Tester: | Have a good one Aric! |
| [15:56] | Ipenda Keynes: | Take care, Aric |
| [15:56] | Bridie Linden: | thx Torley |
| [15:56] | Aric Linden: | I don't think it's new. I think it's been around for awhile |
| [15:56] | Bridie Linden: | Bye Aric |
| [15:56] | Aric Linden: | cyall on the upside |
| [15:57] | Bridie Linden: | Time for one more? |
| [15:57] | Wyn Galbraith: | Upside? Part of SL we don't know ;) |
| [15:57] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-1860 Mac Voice - SLVoiceAgent fails to load into RAM |
| [15:57] | Torley Tester: | A couple more, purrhaps? |
| [15:57] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1860 |
| [15:58] | Daedalus Young: | I haven't used Voice in RC yet, though the comments say it's also an issue in 1.18.1.2 |
| [15:58] | Wyn Galbraith: | Purrs. |
| [15:58] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm... I only see Whiffax experiencing this problem, no others? |
| [15:58] | Wyn Galbraith isn't Mac compliant. | |
| [15:59] | Ciaran Laval: | Need to hear from someone with a mac |
| [15:59] | Bridie Linden have offered friendship to Torley Tester | |
| [15:59] | Daedalus Young: | it's voted by Nolligan Nino |
| [15:59] | Daedalus Young: | I have Mac, but as said, haven't used Voice yet on the latest viewers :P |
| [16:00] | Ipenda Keynes: | Friend of mine was fine on voice last night. But I don't know what type of Mac he uses. |
| [16:00] | Ciaran Laval: | Oh give it a whirl |
| [16:00] | Bridie Linden: | dupe of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1532? |
| [16:00] | Wyn Galbraith: | If you buy me one I'll give you a hear. :) |
| [16:00] | Bridie Linden: | I'm on mac and use voice all of the time :) |
| [16:00] | Torley Tester: | I think so, due to OS X 10.3.9 eh? |
| [16:00] | Wyn Galbraith is begging for new hardware. | |
| [16:00] | Torley Tester: | Joe earlier mentioned "This is an issue for Mac OS 10.3.9 users only." |
| [16:00] | Daedalus Young: | wow, I'm on 10.4.10 for quite some time already |
| [16:00] | Torley Tester: | Let's close as dupe. |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [16:01] | Torley Tester: | I'll make public mention of 10.3.9 because there doesn't seem to be a public mention of that! :O |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden: | thx |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | I think that's all folks! |
| [16:02] | Torley Tester: | Great JIRA finding Bridie! |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | We're over time... |
| [16:02] | Ipenda Keynes: | Cool! |
| [16:02] | Daedalus Young: | cool |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | Keep an eye on next week's agenda |
| [16:02] | Torley Tester: | Thanks all for being with us! |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | And please report issues in the RC |
| [16:02] | Torley Tester: | Sai that chesspieces test looks really fun. :) |
| [16:02] | Bridie Linden: | Thanks so much for your help everyone! |
| [16:03] | Daedalus Young: | the chesspieces look like dpts to me |
| [16:03] | Wyn Galbraith will be away most of next week. | |
| [16:03] | Daedalus Young: | *dots |
| [16:03] | Torley Tester: | You going on vacation Wyn? :) |
| [16:03] | Wyn Galbraith: | Well sort of Torley ;) |
| [16:03] | Daedalus Young: | there were cool sculpty chesspieces back during the contest |
| [16:03] | Ciaran Laval: | Hmm we need a copy of Wyn just so I know I'm at the right meetings |
| [16:03] | Ipenda Keynes: | I always looked at these bug meetings thinking I wouldn't be of any use. |
| [16:03] | Wyn Galbraith: | Well don't spread any rumors about me. |
| [16:04] | Wyn Galbraith: | I'll make a cutout for you. Life size. |
| [16:04] | Wyn Galbraith: | Well SL size. |
| [16:04] | Object does not appear to be for sale. | |
| [16:04] | Ciaran Laval: | I was gonna say, I've only a 17" monitor |
| [16:04] | Torley Tester: | Hehehe. |
| [16:04] | Ipenda Keynes: | hehehe |
| [16:04] | Ipenda Keynes: | That would be a funny online indicator. A "life-sized" pic of you. |
| [16:05] | Wyn Galbraith: | I want a 22" or bigger and a system that can run the card Torley has. |
| [16:05] | User not online - inventory has been saved. | |
| [16:05] | Wyn Galbraith's desktop is only PCI. | |
| [16:05] | Bridie Linden: | I'm gonna run! |
| [16:05] | Bridie Linden: | thx all! |
| [16:05] | Torley Tester: | I've got to go, great job hosting Bridie. |
| [16:05] | Wyn Galbraith: | Good idea Ipenda. |
| [16:06] | Torley Tester: | Have a good one all! |