User:Zero Linden/Office Hours/2008 June 24

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  • keep up with the developers, and so things that accidentally break don't get caught well
  • [12:35] Simon Linden: I'm going to investigate the region settings issue and see what it should be doing
  • [12:36] Simon Linden: Bye for now
  • Weatherwax.
  • [13:00] Teleport completed: from [1]
  • [13:02] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
  • [13:02] Squirrel Wood: Hello
  • [13:03] Rex Cronon: intersting, griefing is spreading
  • [13:03] Squirrel Wood: just AR ^^
  • [13:04] Arawn Spitteler: thinks: The ultimate Griefer is the guy with no sense of humor.
  • [13:04] Tess Linden: hello
  • [13:04] Squirrel Wood: Hello Tess ^^
  • [13:04] Rex Cronon: hello tess
  • [13:04] Squirrel Wood: Looks like the gteam has some work cut out for them here ^^
  • [13:04] Tess Linden: Zero's out on vacation, I'll be subbing today
  • [13:05] Tess Linden: is there a topic that anyone wants to discuss?
  • [13:05] Rex Cronon: u came just in time to enjoy the griefing:)
  • [13:05] Tess Linden: I have my sound turned down :P
  • [13:05] Arawn Spitteler: missed the griefing
  • [13:06] Goldie Katsu: Ah I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
  • [13:06] Tess Linden: I have a question, and maybe Zha can help answer it
  • [13:06] Squirrel Wood: Is there anything YOU would like to talk about? ^^
  • [13:06] Zha Ewry: Uhoh
  • [13:06] Zha Ewry: listens
  • [13:06] Tess Linden: what part of the protocol should be released as part of OGP as a standard and what part
  • should we allow different varieties?
  • [13:07] Rex Cronon: there r still grifing objects in hawkshead
  • [13:07] Zha Ewry: chuckles
  • [13:07] Zha Ewry: Ahhhhh
  • [13:07] Zha Ewry: That is a lovely one
  • [13:07] Zha Ewry: So.. in my mind, the way to think about that is as follows
  • [13:08] Zha Ewry: The base, needs to be compatible, and then we can hang extensions on it
  • [13:08] Squirrel Wood: I would assume all the stuff that is absolutely mandatory must go in and the rest may
  • vary ?
  • [13:08] Gareth Ellison: hi
  • [13:08] Rex Cronon: hi
  • [13:08] Tess Linden: so for example, the new protocol uses auth.cgi and redirects to the seed cap
  • [13:09] Tess Linden: certainly that behavior is not standard-happy
  • [13:09] Zha Ewry: No, it's not
  • [13:09] Tree Kyomoon: crosses fingers in hopes of not crashing every 10 minutes or less
  • [13:10] Arawn Spitteler: has a pseudo-off topic, but must run to the shower: A couple weeks ago, I was blocked
  • from SL, by payment status, and it gave me to think on how included beings should be prioritised. SL's modeled
  • on the Internet, and is a subset of hte Internet, but access should be prioritized according to those who pay
  • pipers. I wonder if Asset Server Access could be priority rationed, rather than Grid Access? It may not seem
  • pertinent to AWG, but is a direction these office hours should concider in development.
  • [13:11] Tess Linden: at Linden, scaling is a huge concern, and we're considering adding in another path to
  • authentication so that you can cache the authentication server
  • [13:11] Zha Ewry: The bottom line, of the protocol type stuff, is that we're looking at a base set of stuff,
  • and then some stuf we'd like to extend
  • [13:11] Tree Kyomoon: /crashing pumpkins
  • [13:12] Gareth Ellison: has a nice response to this one: Tess Linden: what part of the protocol should be
  • released as part of OGP as a standard and what part should we allow different varieties?
  • [13:12] Tess Linden: right now if something is wrong with the network, login could be borked entirely, causing
  • bad downtime
  • [13:12] Gareth Ellison: everything you need to get up to SL-level experience with different domains ==
  • standard
  • [13:12] Gareth Ellison: then leave gaps for different extensions
  • [13:12] Tess Linden: if we're talking about another required web service that might be added later on, and
  • that may not be the same path as other interoperableVW's then how do you fold that into the spec?
  • [13:13] Zha Ewry: So
  • [13:13] Zha Ewry: How do you want to seperate the base fromt he towers?
  • [13:14] Gareth Ellison: in what case would a new web service become required on pain of breaking
  • compatibility?
  • [13:14] Tess Linden: the OGP is at the level of UML diagrams describing the wire-level protocol
  • [13:14] Zha Ewry: I tend to think of things as bases, and towers
  • [13:14] Tess Linden: zha: define base and towers
  • [13:15] Squirrel Wood: base = mandatory, towers = optional ?
  • [13:15] Zha Ewry: Bases, as the stuff, that you must implement, and in the same way
  • [13:15] Zha Ewry: and towers, being stuff, you can snap on, and get as a chunk
  • [13:15] Tess Linden: Gareth: so take my scaling example. right now the protocol indicates that you contact the
  • authentication server directly, but we would change it so you have another level of indirection
  • [13:15] Zha Ewry: ideally, defined, in
  • [13:15] Zha Ewry: ways which let people add towers to the base, without moding the base
  • [13:16] Tess Linden: what are some tricks to do that in terms of protocol design?
  • [13:16] Gareth Ellison: tess - standard HTTP redirect?
  • [13:17] Tess Linden: Gareth: well we were thinking that the client would cache the URL and only ask the
  • central server for a new place its down
  • [13:17] Tess Linden: eliminating the central point of failure
  • [13:18] Tao Takashi: Hi
  • [13:18] Tess Linden: we have a pattern of returning a sort of "success" boolean at the application layer and
  • then when it fails have a "message" indicating reason of failure
  • [13:18] Rex Cronon: hi
  • [13:18] Gareth Ellison: since i've recently been screaming at redundant servers myself recently, can i just
  • ask "why is this something that even belongs in the OGP specs"?
  • [13:18] Tao Takashi: Hi Gwen :)
  • [13:18] Tess Linden: good question Gareth, thats what I'm trying to tease out
  • [13:19] Gareth Ellison: there's existing load balancing solutions which can redirect to another authentication
  • server if there's problems
  • [13:19] Tess Linden: hey Tao, Rex :)
  • [13:19] Zha Ewry: well, in general, think about the base as the
  • [13:19] Zha Ewry: core set of stuff that has to be always there
  • [13:19] Rex Cronon:  :)
  • [13:19] Tao Takashi: griefing comes to mind
  • [13:19] Zha Ewry: think of tower as clumps of REST resources which might be there
  • [13:20] Zha Ewry: or REST resources, with seperate added possible interactions
  • [13:20] Gareth Ellison: that analogy kinda broke into non-analogy
  • [13:20] Gareth Ellison:  :)
  • [13:20] Squirrel Wood: give the client a number of authentication server addresses and let the client pick one
  • at random ?
  • [13:20] Gareth Ellison: i point you at IRC
  • [13:20] Tao Takashi: what are we talking about anyway?
  • [13:20] Gareth Ellison: irc.somenetwork.com is a DNS RR, and most IRC clients shuffle server lists too
  • [13:21] Tess Linden: Tao: trying to work out how to think about what belongs in OGP and what doesnt
  • [13:23] Gareth Ellison: all operations issues should stay out of the spec
  • [13:23] Tess Linden: squirrel: we would have a central service that the client uses to find a new host if for
  • any reason it couldnt contact an existing one
  • [13:23] Zha Ewry: one way to peel this oninion might be to list out sets of resources, REST style, and
  • protocols which we want to be optional
  • [13:23] Gareth Ellison: in other words "we use X number of servers" isn't appropriate
  • [13:24] Tao Takashi: reminds me again of XRDS where you can define various service endpoints for one type with
  • different priorities attached
  • [13:24] Rex Cronon: i am sorry, but it might be wise if somebody(a linden possibly) could clean up these
  • grifing objects
  • [13:24] Tess Linden: zha: that works for me
  • [13:25] KILL LINDEN: Couldn't find object
  • [13:25] KILL LINDEN: Couldn't find object
  • [13:25] Zha Ewry: So, if we do that, one thing to do is to have a way of findinfgout what's available
  • [13:26] Zha Ewry: so, that we can disvover that this sim has the "Get me details about meshes" extension
  • [13:26] Dahlia Trimble: details about meshes?
  • [13:26] Tao Takashi: I still like the idea to give out a central agent domain or region domain url where you
  • can find an XRDS document which describes the services you can use
  • [13:26] Zha Ewry: or whatever
  • [13:27] Herbert Hoggard: Oops
  • [13:27] Treotto Heliosense: what's that really annoying screaming sound?
  • [13:27] Zha Ewry: How that fits is an interesting issue, Domains
  • [13:27] Zha Ewry: How we commonly group stuff
  • [13:27] Squirrel Wood: that sound is emitted from those flying cubes. Its someones attempt to cause grief.
  • [13:27] PulseBurst Flow: It would help if Zero set auto return to 1 minute instead of 60 minutes
  • [13:28] PulseBurst Flow: I sent AR..
  • [13:28] Teravus Ousley: Yay,those are greifer cubes
  • [13:28] PulseBurst Flow: so others should..
  • [13:28] Teravus Ousley:  :P
  • [13:28] Squirrel Wood: gteam is on it ^^
  • [13:28] Dahlia Trimble: mutes mano Bellic
  • [13:28] PulseBurst Flow: ok.ty squirl
  • [13:29] Treotto Heliosense: well they're doing a good job. Greifer cube - now thjere's something i've learned
  • today, thanks
  • [13:29] Teravus Ousley: hopefully those are not replicating greifer cubes.. that give themselves to detected
  • people...
  • [13:29] Tree Kyomoon: /i bet its philip linden...his alter ego is a griefer! heh heh
  • [13:29] Dahlia Trimble: looks like some of them are failing to replicate
  • [13:29] Teravus Ousley: hitting the grey goo fence parhaps
  • [13:30] PulseBurst Flow: that megaprim seems to be covering entire sim.
  • [13:31] Tao Takashi: what do you mean by how we group stuff? you mean if e.g. different regions of a domain
  • can have different services available?
  • [13:31] Zha Ewry: How we structure domains, what to they mean
  • [13:32] Zha Ewry: Do we mark a gruop of sims as sharing towers
  • [13:32] Squirrel Wood: I'd say its more like "I support this and this and that tower"
  • [13:33] Zha Ewry: Well
  • [13:33] Arawn Spitteler: "This sim best viewed with..."
  • [13:33] Zha Ewry: towers per sim, or per cluster?
  • [13:33] Tao Takashi: "this sim is brought to you by..."
  • [13:33] Squirrel Wood: So if you need it I can start an instance of that tower
  • [13:33] Tao Takashi: with towers you now mean services?
  • [13:33] Tree Kyomoon: I like that "this sim is best viewed with" idea.
  • [13:34] Arawn Spitteler: assumes, Sims will someday eveluate which physics engine, etc, will be cost effective.
  • [13:35] Tao Takashi: probably the "no" physics engine ;-)
  • [13:35] Saijanai Kuhn: OpenSim allows plugin physics now. I would HOPE that various adjustments could be made
  • for zero grav sims, etc
  • [13:35] Arawn Spitteler: On the Open Grid, the world will not be flat.
  • [13:35] Saijanai Kuhn: MAY nt be flat...
  • [13:35] Zha Ewry: So, interestign point there
  • [13:35] Zha Ewry: Towers, both in terms of resources
  • [13:35] Teravus Ousley: Yes, you can configure OpenSim to have zero gravity..
  • [13:35] Zha Ewry: and in terms of added stuff
  • [13:36] Zha Ewry: whihc can be done to/with those resources
  • [13:36] Dahlia Trimble: negative gravity would be fun ;)
  • [13:36] Arawn Spitteler: Some estate owners may not want to accomodate Vehicles or Temp_Rez
  • [13:36] Zha Ewry: And, again, the key is enumerating what's avaialble
  • [13:36] Saijanai Kuhn: dyson sphere, B5, MC Escher staircases...
  • [13:36] Tree Kyomoon: Well and of course using other physics engines that perhaps favor accuracy over speed or
  • something
  • [13:37] Saijanai Kuhn: enumerating, or listing by name?
  • [13:37] Zha Ewry: Both
  • [13:37] Zha Ewry: bea ble to query, anf find out about, chose your words
  • [13:37] Squirrel Wood: abilities ^^
  • [13:38] Tess Linden: the current capability system is an example of a protocol that is extensible
  • [13:38] Arawn Spitteler: In the Open Grid, Simulation Algorhythms will be User Created Content
  • [13:39] Treotto Heliosense: so is everyone a developer here?
  • [13:39] Arawn Spitteler: Not yet
  • [13:39] Teravus Ousley: no, there are people of many talents here.
  • [13:39] Tree Kyomoon: Im developing into an old person so in that sense yes
  • [13:40] Dahlia Trimble: lol
  • [13:40] Tao Takashi: and I am developing strange habits
  • [13:40] Tao Takashi: you don't wanna know details though
  • [13:40] Goldie Katsu: I'm interested in learning how to develop pictures.
  • [13:40] Ehdward Spengler: im a content creator. just interested in developments of opensim
  • [13:40] Goldie Katsu:  :)
  • [13:40] Dahlia Trimble: in sl there may be a market for then Tao
  • [13:41] Tao Takashi: ok, besides that I am also a developer (but also used to be machinima maker and content
  • creator)
  • [13:41] Gonta Maltz: I have no interest in anything whatsoever and don't even know how I ended up here :(
  • [13:41] Treotto Heliosense: developments of openism? sounds interesting
  • [13:41] Teravus Ousley: luck
  • [13:41] Goldie Katsu: teleport?
  • [13:41] Treotto Heliosense: ah yes gonta, you sound like me. but i love this place
  • [13:41] Arawn Spitteler: thinks Gonta is in the right place: I did some work on Creation, and helped God
  • recently, with this Civilization thing.
  • [13:41] Tao Takashi: so one of my plans was to write a basic agent domain implementation for login and test
  • XRDS with it
  • [13:42] Gonta Maltz: just kidding though, I follow opensim and AWG news
  • [13:42] Treotto Heliosense: my avatar feels distinctly ordinary around you guys ]!
  • [13:42] Tao Takashi: Hey Gonta :)
  • [13:42] Gonta Maltz: eyyy, Tao
  • [13:43] Tao Takashi: you remind me of SL3B when the world still was good ;-)
  • [13:43] Goldie Katsu: chuckles
  • [13:43] Gonta Maltz: yeah I was just thinking about SL3B too
  • [13:43] Tao Takashi: on another though it also was quite stressy ;-)
  • [13:44] Tao Takashi: and only 4 sims (but a kids community)
  • [13:44] Teravus Ousley: happy bd, SL... YR 5 N0w
  • [13:44] Teravus Ousley:  :D
  • [13:44] Arawn Spitteler: Wouldn't we be entering year six?
  • [13:44] Gonta Maltz: I thought SLKids was able to get a space
  • [13:44] Tao Takashi: were they in the end?
  • [13:44] Treotto Heliosense: luna di primavera? that's a very romantic sounding tag. sei italiana?
  • [13:44] Tao Takashi: well then
  • [13:45] Ehdward Spengler: i played my first live sl music performance for the sl3b. that was awesome
  • [13:45] Goldie Katsu: Which if there are 6 days per 24 hours means SL's 30 in SL years?
  • [13:45] Teravus Ousley: haha, my thoughts exactly Goldie
  • [13:45] Dahlia Trimble: It may mean we are all aging faster :(
  • [13:46] Lalinda Lovell: who was excluded from sl5b in the end?
  • [13:46] Goldie Katsu: But living longer?
  • [13:46] Lalinda Lovell: goreans, bdsm and kids?
  • [13:46] Treotto Heliosense: ciao. sono treotto - sono inlgese ma conosco molti italiani. pero non capisco
  • tutto
  • [13:46] Goldie Katsu: humms "which one of these is not like the others"
  • [13:46] Teravus Ousley: bankers?
  • [13:46] Lalinda Lovell: they all have something in common
  • [13:47] Tao Takashi: Gonta, Ehdward: [2] and
  • http://taotakashi.blip.tv/file/44406/
  • [13:47] Lalinda Lovell: they are minorities
  • [13:47] Treotto Heliosense: garzie mille. e un po piu facile :)
  • [13:47] Lalinda Lovell: and cant defend themselves as well as other
  • [13:47] Lalinda Lovell: s
  • [13:47] Gonta Maltz: well I'm a bit unsure: but LL had told SLKids that they weren't allowed and then
  • reversed/revised that decision in a blog post...
  • [13:47] Treotto Heliosense: grazie!
  • [13:47] Teravus Ousley: land 'for sale sign' extortionists?
  • [13:47] Teravus Ousley:  :D
  • [13:47] Dahlia Trimble: lol
  • [13:47] Lalinda Lovell: its always easier to exclude minorities
  • [13:47] Lalinda Lovell: history shows us that :)
  • [13:47] Saijanai Kuhn: OK, so what else are we discussing here?
  • [13:48] Alcina Barbarossa: ma che succede qui, come mai tanta gente?
  • [13:48] Gonta Maltz: thank you, tao! They really needed a transportation system like the tram for the 20 sims
  • there are this year
  • [13:48] Dahlia Trimble: has rl issues... bye all :)
  • [13:48] Rex Cronon: bye dahlia
  • [13:48] Saijanai Kuhn: later Dahlia
  • [13:48] Teravus Ousley: take care Dahlia
  • [13:48] Gonta Maltz: toodles
  • [13:48] Arawn Spitteler's: not sure, that Minors are a minority: Should have used my teleporters
  • [13:48] Treotto Heliosense: non so, ma e un posto molto interessante, no?
  • [13:48] Lalinda Lovell: sl kids are a minority group
  • [13:48] Alcina Barbarossa: assolutamente si
  • [13:49] Lalinda Lovell: same for goreans
  • [13:49] Tao Takashi: same for bloggers
  • [13:49] Tao Takashi: and community site owners ;-)
  • [13:49] Lalinda Lovell: bloggers are not a minority group
  • [13:49] Teravus Ousley: blogging is an activity :D
  • [13:50] Saijanai Kuhn: glances at time. are we still talking about OGP or other office hours business?
  • [13:50] Teravus Ousley: wonders if you mean 'blog providers' ?
  • [13:50] Treotto Heliosense: io sono nuovo (o 'di nuovo'?) ho comminciato qui. tre giorni fa
  • [13:50] Alcina Barbarossa: io vecchissima
  • [13:50] Tess Linden: I have my question answered, we'll add things to the protocol and have optional services
  • in the "tower"
  • [13:50] Alcina Barbarossa: ma abbastanza ignorante
  • [13:50] Treotto Heliosense: no no! :)
  • [13:50] Tao Takashi: well, I think the topic changed slightly ;-) But we can of course back on track but I
  • still don't know really what the actual problem is ;-)
  • [13:50] Zha Ewry: nods
  • [13:50] Alcina Barbarossa: eh beh
  • [13:50] Zha Ewry: and try to make it all enumerable
  • [13:51] Zha Ewry: so we can self discover from the base up
  • [13:51] Treotto Heliosense: che peccato
  • [13:51] Treotto Heliosense: cosa fai tu?
  • [13:51] Tess Linden: a more general question about patterns that we are using in some of these web services
  • would be a good topic to continue on
  • [13:51] Tao Takashi: yes, there might be extensions
  • [13:51] Zha Ewry: ie, the one thign a tower, has to pr0pvide is "Tell me about you"
  • [13:51] Zha Ewry: in a standar way
  • [13:51] Alcina Barbarossa: ignorante di sl e di computer intendo
  • [13:51] Alcina Barbarossa: sono musicista, cantante
  • [13:51] Tess Linden: zha: how would that map to the current protocol?
  • [13:51] Zha Ewry: even if all it returns is "I am a private tower, type X"
  • [13:51] Alcina Barbarossa: tu cosa fai?
  • [13:52] Zha Ewry: So... right now, oen of the challanges, isyou can't find ouut about thr set of things in the
  • UDP template
  • [13:52] Tao Takashi: what should it describe? the syntax? where to find more information about a service or
  • more?
  • [13:52] Zha Ewry: or, for that m atter, which set of caps you can ask for
  • [13:52] Treotto Heliosense: ooooh bella. come chi? mi piace laura pausini per esempio
  • [13:52] Teravus Ousley: suspects that we'll have Steve Gibson criticizing us for not having a 'stealth' mode.
  • [13:52] Tao Takashi: and I encountered the need to know what cap is a seed cap
  • [13:52] Alcina Barbarossa: mi dispiace, faccio musica classica
  • [13:52] Tao Takashi: while doing the pyogp refactoring
  • [13:52] Zha Ewry: So, at a minimum, you'd like to be able to say 'Here is a list of all the REST resources I
  • support"
  • [13:52] Tao Takashi: but then again this is defined in the protocol so it could be in a configuration file
  • [13:53] Zha Ewry: and, then, it becomes a question of how fancy you want to get
  • [13:53] Alcina Barbarossa: ma non sono grassa come pavarotti
  • [13:53] Saijanai Kuhn: seed cap is the first cap you encournter in the old system.
  • [13:53] Zha Ewry: Well, it has to be fetchable
  • [13:53] Zha Ewry: but sure
  • [13:53] Tao Takashi: Sai: sure, but maybe I get another one for the inventory subsystem
  • [13:53] Treotto Heliosense: pavarotti non e ancorra grasso :)
  • [13:53] Zha Ewry: you can just return a well strcture bit of xml
  • [13:53] Tess Linden: the semantic for seed/base caps is you POST a list of capability names and it returns a
  • map of cap names to capabilities
  • [13:53] Alcina Barbarossa: oh si, era grasso
  • [13:53] Treotto Heliosense:  ;)
  • [13:53] Tess Linden: zha: maybe GET from the same URL will give you possible caps?
  • [13:53] Zha Ewry: (and, ideally, the very first bit is as generic REST as possible)
  • [13:53] Saijanai Kuhn: in which case, all caps could be "seed" caps to some extent. Need a marker for what
  • KIND of seed cap it is
  • [13:53] Alcina Barbarossa: tu cosa afi?
  • [13:53] Tao Takashi: Tess: I know, that's why I am doing in my caps class now but I have 2 classes: SeedCap
  • and Cap
  • [13:53] Alcina Barbarossa: fai?
  • [13:53] Zha Ewry: That's one that Zero has offered
  • [13:54] Tao Takashi: and I need to know which one to instantiate when retrieving one
  • [13:54] Goldie Katsu: I think the base standard needs to define how to handle extensions - or more
  • specifically how to handle unknown extensions. x.509 certs have a boatload of problems in implementation due to
  • extensions and inconsistent behavior when an extension is present that isn't supported by the other end.
  • [13:54] Zha Ewry: a get off the base, will let you know all the posisblee other ones
  • [13:54] Treotto Heliosense: sono uno psicologo, veramente
  • [13:54] Zha Ewry: right, Goldie, thus, the desire that every tower at least answer some base queries
  • [13:54] Alcina Barbarossa: bello!
  • [13:54] Zha Ewry: That way, we have a hook for publishing what the variation we support is
  • [13:55] Alcina Barbarossa: sono stata 4 anni dall'altra parte del tavolo
  • [13:55] Tao Takashi: but you will end up with a link to documentation anyway. We just need to make sure to
  • define what MUST be present
  • [13:55] Goldie Katsu: /m enods
  • [13:55] Teravus Ousley: a base 'interface' so to speak.
  • [13:55] Zha Ewry: Well, sure, at the end of the day
  • [13:55] Treotto Heliosense: come? altra parte del tavolo, no capsico
  • [13:55] Zha Ewry: the code is written yb humand,who read documentation
  • [13:55] Zha Ewry: but...
  • [13:55] Alcina Barbarossa: certo che epr uno psicologo SL deve essere veramente interessante
  • [13:56] Zha Ewry: The ability of code to quickly determine what's available is still needed
  • [13:56] Alcina Barbarossa: cio sono stata in analisi
  • [13:56] Tao Takashi: Zha: Sure but you cannot transfer the meaning of it ;-)
  • [13:56] Zha Ewry: Its largely, a matter of how fanc you want to get
  • [13:56] Zha Ewry: No
  • [13:56] Alcina Barbarossa: io e la psicologa stavamo a un tavolo
  • [13:56] Zha Ewry: You end up saying "bullet-x physics tower"
  • [13:56] Saijanai Kuhn: do we have a list of core features that all clients need to support?
  • [13:56] Treotto Heliosense: so moltissimo. ah, ho capito.
  • [13:56] Zha Ewry: and knowing that means somethign
  • [13:56] Zha Ewry: But
  • [13:56] Zha Ewry: if you can't get that tidbit out
  • [13:57] Tao Takashi: so it might be like openid extensions where you can also query which extensions a server
  • supports
  • [13:57] Zha Ewry: then you are forced to intuit it from other things, and that's no fun
  • [13:57] Saijanai Kuhn: or rather all clients that support the current SL feature list (which isn't defined
  • save in colde)
  • [13:57] Tao Takashi: which is done by service type uris
  • [13:57] Zha Ewry: Right, tho, URIs aren't entirely restful
  • [13:57] Treotto Heliosense: e ha fatto miglior?
  • [13:57] Zha Ewry: But, it's not an unreaosnble approach
  • [13:57] Alcina Barbarossa: molto molto bene
  • [13:57] Tao Takashi: well you have a service type uri paired with an URL endpoint
  • [13:57] Tao Takashi: so you know what it is and where it is
  • [13:58] Zha Ewry: there's been a tone of these approaches
  • [13:58] Treotto Heliosense: sono psicologo di lavoro
  • [13:58] Zha Ewry: WSRF, did that in oqasis
  • [13:58] Zha Ewry: *oasis
  • [13:58] Alcina Barbarossa: avevo una depressione molto forte e sono riuscita a uscirne senza medicine
  • [13:58] Zha Ewry: and there was the whole publishing endpoints directory, who's name escapes me that IBM
  • loved, with reams of XML port descriptions for SOAP services
  • [13:58] Tao Takashi: well, XRDS is OASIS, too ;-)
  • [13:59] Zha Ewry: sighs
  • [13:59] Zha Ewry: Oasis has a spec for everytihgin three of four for many things
  • [13:59] Teravus Ousley: not widely enough adopted though :(
  • [13:59] Zha Ewry: chuckles
  • [13:59] Treotto Heliosense: brava. e adesso, tutto bene?
  • [13:59] Teravus Ousley: would have loved to go to a service directory.. pulled out a service that fit his needs
  • and built an app around it.
  • [13:59] Anna Blackwell: standardise
  • [14:00] Zha Ewry: UDDI
  • [14:00] Zha Ewry: Gosh, I had blocked that from memory
  • [14:00] Alcina Barbarossa: benissimo, sono una persona felice e molto molto forte
  • [14:00] Alcina Barbarossa: a volte ho dei periodi tristi ma so come fare
  • [14:00] Gonta Maltz: (g2g toodles, folks)
  • [14:00] Teravus Ousley: take care Gonta
  • [14:00] Tao Takashi: cya Gonta! :)
  • [14:00] Zha Ewry: I don't much fancy more than a uniform way of getting some key terms for services
  • [14:01] Rex Cronon: bye gonta
  • [14:01] Tree Kyomoon: can someone pass me the transcript? I was cutting in and out there
  • [14:01] Zha Ewry: And things like UDDI, and WSRF is painfully bloated
  • [14:01] Tree Kyomoon: I think I missed a lot of it
  • [14:01] Tao Takashi: life's bloated
  • [14:01] Zha Ewry: and, Tao is dead right that if you do too much of it, you end up replicating what's in the doc anyway